Free Agency Digest: Day One

Free Agency hasn’t started yet, but that has caused no shortage of drama in what is sure to be the craziest NBA offseason ever. By now you’ve all heard news of the Chris Paul deal that wasn’t. The league office will open for business at 12pm MST today and it will be very interesting to see how fast the frenzy will unfold one day after the infamous Veto. This post will be updated with any Nuggets developments and our thoughts on them, so check back throughout the day.

The big news out of Benjamin Hochman today is that the Nuggets are making a “strong push” for Milwaukee RFA Luc Richard Mbah a Moute. Denver has also been linked to RFA’s Nick Young, Thaddeus Young, and DeAndre Jordan but those have been generally been sourced to questionable tweets mentioning the Nuggets and a half dozen or so other teams.

Keep in mind that under Masai and Josh, the Nuggets front office isn’t leaking out rumors in every direction which they have been known for in the past. About the only thing we know is that the Nuggets want badly to keep their own players and are unlikely to make any significant moves beyond trying to do that. Take all rumors with a grain of salt because I do not believe Masai has even hinted at what the Nuggets strategy might be when free agency opens.

Until then, enjoy the latest news and links as day one starts. Again, 12pm MST is when all official business starts happening sans any more vetos. Updates coming throughout the day as news comes in.

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Update (11:54 AM MST)
Nets to offer Nene 4 years, $60-65 million
News is coming from Woj at Yahoo Sports that Billy King, New Jersey Nets GM, is expected to offer a 4 year contract to Nene today. At $65 million, that is an average of $16.25 million per year. The Nuggets have been confident they will retain Nene with a five year deal but it remains to be seen if Nene and his agent would be willing to forgo a higher annual salary for the added security of a fifth guaranteed year. It’s not clear to me how high the Nuggets are prepared to bid on Nene but this offer is close to the near-max contract he is said to be seeking.

Update (12:06 PM MST)

I will kick things off discussing local hero and recent Nugget Chauncey Billups.  The New York Knickerbockers have come to an agreement to sign Tyson Chandler and as part of that deal they had to amnesty Chauncey Billups.  The entire amnesty process has not been made public as of yet, but here is what we know.  Players who are released via the amnesty provision are subject to an auction involving all teams under the salary cap.  The team with the winning bid will then pay that player that salary for every remaining year of his contract.  According to Larry Coon, any player who is acquired through the auction process cannot be traded for 30 days.

Here are two things to keep in mind at this point.  First, most teams that are under the cap are not good.  Second, Chauncey wants to play for a contender.

The question then becomes will a team under the cap take a shot at Chauncey, or will he clear the auction process without a bidder and become an unrestricted free agent?  To answer that question, let’s take a look at who is under the cap and whether or not they will pursue Chauncey.

Sacramento Kings
Committed 2011-12 Salary $29,903,965
Must spend $16,531,235 to reach Salary Floor (80% of $58.044 million salary cap)

The Kings have Tyreke Evans and now Jimmer!  While they need to spend a lot of cash, they are not in a position to fight for a playoff spot.  You can make the veteran leadership argument, but to me you want those two on the court and Chauncey will take minutes from both.  Add in young shooting guard Marcus Thornton and Sacramento does not look like a potential destination for Mr. Big Shot.

Indiana Pacers
Committed 2011-12 Salary $36,957,444
Must spend $9,477,756 to reach Salary Floor

The Pacers are seeking to spend their money on some big men, i.e. Marc Gasol and Nene.  I doubt they will want to tie up many dollars with a bid on Chauncey.  Add in developing point guard Darren Collison and we get the same issue as in Sacramento.  The veteran leadership would be nice, but they want Collison on the court.

Memphis Grizzlies
Committed 2011-12 Salary $37,363,810
Must spend $9,071,390 to reach Salary Floor

Memphis is saving all their money for Marc Gasol, plus they just paid Mike Conley last season.  No way they make a bid for Chauncey.

New Jersey Nets
Committed 2011-12 Salary $39,814,161
Must spend $6,621,039 to reach Salary Floor

I do not think we even need to discuss this. Deron Williams, saving money for free agents. Pass.

Washington Wizards
Committed 2011-12 Salary $40,682,282
Must spend $5,752,918 to reach Salary Floor

John Wall should be playing 40 minutes a night.  No interest in Chauncey here.

New Orleans Hornets
Committed 2011-12 Salary $42,066,057
Must spend $4,369,143 to reach Salary Floor

Um, what can we say here?  Chauncey would have made a lot of sense for the Hornets if that whole Chris Paul trade had gone through.  Now, that front office must feel completely handcuffed.  They could always place a bid and trade Chauncey if Paul remains in New Orleans for the rest of the season or have him in their pocket incase Paul is traded.  Still, I find the Hornets front office unlikely to bid, unless that whole veto deal is reversed and soon.

Los Angeles Clippers
Committed 2011-12 Salary $44,919,031
Must spend $1,516,169 to reach Salary Floor

This is interesting.  I would actually love to see Chauncey on the Clippers.  He would bring additional shooting alongside Mo Williams and would really help provide leadership.  Chauncey with the Clippers would be great fun.  Would they put in a bid, I would expect so, but only a minimal one.

Toronto Raptors
Committed 2011-12 Salary $46,879,433
Must spend $0 to reach Salary Floor

I would hope the Raptors would pass, but who knows?  They are crazy.  With the forthcoming ownership change, I doubt they will spend any money.  I would not want to see Billups in Toronto anyway.  I doubt Chauncey wants to see himself there either.

Houston Rockets
Committed 2011-12 Salary $47,306,218
Must spend $0 to reach Salary Floor

Chauncey is an efficient player on offense, which will peak Daryl Morey’s interest no doubt, but what can the Rockets do?  They will want to make sure the trade netting them Gasol is truly dead.  Plus, they are pursuing Nene and will want to preserve that money.  I think they pass, but would not be surprised if they bid.

Detroit Pistons
Committed 2011-12 Salary $48,263,032
Must spend $0 to reach Salary Floor

It would be a nice story and if Detroit wants to make a push at the playoffs, they might try to add Chauncey.  He could play in the backcourt with Stuckey, should he resign.  I believe there is a decent chance the Pistons make a bid.

I do not see any other potential suitors unless Dan Gilbert wants to feel like he is sticking it to the Knicks by having them pay one of his players this season.  Do not put it past him, he is the David Kahn of owners.

Those of you paying attention we skipped one potential suitor.

Denver Nuggets
Committed 2011-12 Salary $28,883,142
Must spend $17,552,058 to reach Salary Floor

Might the Denver Nuggets attempt to bring back Chauncey, potentially against his wishes to play for a contender?  Denver must spend a lot of money, they obviously want to compete.  Plus if things do not work out, Nene leaves or the team is not a playoff caliber team, they can do good by Chauncey and trade him to a contender.  If Denver places a solid bid on him, they can protect him from ending up in Toronto or Sacramento and then either Chauncey plays in Denver on a playoff team, or the Nuggets get something for him again to help him find a good home.  Andre Miller could be flipped to a team who wants him rather easily thanks to his expiring deal, or George Karl could run a three point guard offense, which I bet he has had dreams about.

The odds on favorite in my mind is Denver.  In the words of the Church Lady, “Well isn’t that special?”

– Jeremy

Update (2:27 PM MST)

With Nene soon to receive an official offer from the Nets as was noted above, word could come at any second that he is leaving.  The Nuggets front office is forced to choose between offering a massive contract to a player who has had injury issues in the past and if offered a fifth year will be making roughly $18 million in the fifth season when he is 33 and completely turning the page from being a perennial playoff team to a rebuilding team with an unknown future.

Nuggets fans all know about Nene.  He is a very talented player.  He has lateral quickness, but lacks vertical explosiveness.  He is big, but not huge.  Of course, he has never been a dominant rebounder or shot blocker, but has elite perimeter skills for a center or power forward.  Most frustratingly of all, even in his ninth season he continues to disappear during games.  Most shockingly, for a player whose strength is scoring, who played on a fast paced team, he has never scored more than 28 points in a game.  Nene plays hard and obviously cared when he is on the court, but he does not rebound nor does he block shots.  He was 70th in the league in rebound rate last season.

For Denver to match, or exceed the offer from the Nets, they must be certain that Nene is a franchise center, or power forward if you like, and that he can be the building block of a contender.

Personally I do not see it.  I believe Denver must do what they can to get something out of a sign and trade with New Jersey, even if it is just a future draft pick and move on.  It is a terrible decision to have to make.  Based on what the Nuggets do we will know if they want to be mediocre just to try to keep attendance up, or if they are committed to making the difficult decisions in order to truly have a chance at building a new foundation for a contending team.

– Jeremy

Update (2:40 MST)

Adrian Wojnarowski just revealed via twitter that Gary Forbes is close to accepting a three year deal with Toronto. The third year is a team option and no details on the dollar amount of the contract were released. Based on Woj’s wording it seems that despite Forbes being a restricted free agent he is in the final stages of becoming a Toronto Raptor.

This is the MO for a front office that last year made an offer to Linas Kleiza that Denver did not match. After dominating the Euroleague two seasons ago Kleiza failed to live up to expectations with the Raps and reverted to his mediocre NBA self. Gary Forbes was a rookie last season who showed promise with Denver, but he turns 27 in February and he is a developing player who may not turn out to be a contributor.

The Nuggets have money to spend, but anything beyond a very low risk contract for Forbes seems silly to me. I would have no problem having Gary prove he can settle into a nice role on this young term and earn a decent contract extension. The problem is giving an unproven player an extension now. It’s a difficult decision to make and it really depends on how much this offer is for before we can speculate on whether or not matching it would be wise.

– Charlie

Update 4:48 PM MST

This has little to do with what is happening today, but the trade deadline has been set at March 15, 2012.  The Chinese Basketball Association regular season is set to end on February 15, 2012.  At this point all three Nuggets affiliated players’ teams are likely to make the playoffs as they are lined up third through fifth in the 17 team league.  If any or all of them are knocked out before March 15 they would be eligible for sign and trade deals giving the Nuggets additional flexibility.  Of course, all three might be playing past the March 15 trade cutoff, but it will make the Chinese Basketball playoffs even more interesting than ever, which of course, would not be difficult.

– Jeremy

Update 5:13 PM MST

The Denver Nuggets have signed UTEP’s Julyan Stone to a contract, according to the El Paso Times. Stone is a 6-7 guard who has the ability to play multiple positions on the floor. He is both Conference USA and UTEP’s all-time leaders in assists, and is the only player in school history to be top 10 in both assists and rebounds. He is also an excellent defender, being named to Conference USA’s All-Defensive team. In UTEP’s only game in the NCAA tournament last year against Butler, Stone went for eight points, five rebounds, seven assists and two steals. According to Alex Kennedy, the deal is worth $1.1 million over two years.

Quick reaction: Stone was a popular name leading up to the draft last year, especially among Lakers Nation. I remember examining him briefly and being impressed with his distribution skills given how tall he is. There was buzz that he would go to the Lakers, but they instead went with another sleeper point guard in Andrew Goudelock. This acquisition is just further corroboration to the argument that Masai is a brilliant scout. I fully expect Stone to fit in perfectly with the Nuggets given his wide-ranging skill set and tenacity on the defensive side of the ball.

– Kalen

Update 7:00 PM MST

Afflalo doesn’t sound too happy about still being a free agent:

p.s. ….. im tired of competing by myself at fitness clubs…. i need a practice jersey

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  • Klules

    Still trying to understand what the legal ramifications are here. Does CP3 still have a chance of going to LA? Can anyone even consider him until this is sorted or until he is FA at end of year?

    • Charlie

      That is not clear to me. Personally I think the league must open back up to the possibility of this trade and allow it in some form. But, not much has made any sort of logical sense this year even dating back to the lockout

    • Kalen

      The Hornets, Lakers and Rockets are already discussing another trade with different parts. I think Stern will realize how stupid that was and let it fly this next time. If he doesn’t, wow, I don’t know what happens there. I’ve never heard of a situation where the NBA doesn’t let its GM’s do their job.

  • Alex

    I hope the league decides to let this trade go through. It may not be a clear victory for New Orleans, but it could help them be respectable. Okafor/Odom/Scola is a respectable front line.

    If LA has to part with Gasol and Odom to get CP3, then I don’t think they’ll have what it takes to get Dwight Howard also. Bynum alone won’t cut it. Plus, it looks like D12 is trying to find his way to Brooklyn. If this were to go through, the only viable front court player the Lakers would have would be a frail Bynum. If he were to sustain an injury, who would LA play down low? Caracter, Ebanks, Ratliff? That does not seem like a team that can win a playoff series, even with the best back court in the league.

  • Matt Henry

    Do we have a shot at Marc Gasol at all? That’s all I was looking forward to this off season.

    • Charlie

      Short answer, no. Nuggets have had cap space earmarked for offers to Afflalo and Nene. Ujiri has ssaid they probably won’t do anything crazy

      • Matt Henry

        Thanks for the quick reply, and also for crushing my dreams. Is there anything to look forward to next season? Maybe Chandler coming back and keeping up the scoring numbers he’s putting up in China…

        • http://nugznazty.wordpress.com/ Owen

          there is absolutely no way he could put up the same numbers he has in china. playing in china is like playing SNES NBA Jam.

          • Matt Henry

            yeah, that was a joke Owen. Although if he did it would be pretty awesome…

        • Charlie

          I still believe there is shot at keeping Nene and Arron. I also do believe the Nuggets will try to bring Wilson back since he is restricted

  • Alex

    I would love little(big) Gasol too, but I think Memphis will match whatever offer her gets.

  • Aaron

    Mann, I Still Dont Get Why Ujiri Wont Go All Out This Year. I Mean We HAVE TOO Spend Over 17,500,000 Maybe If We Sign Afflalo It’ll Go Down To Bout 11,000,000 Or 12..Why Not Sign Marc Or Do A Trade To Get A Star In Here. We Have Tonz Of Role Players Why Dont They Trade Like 3 Of Them For A Star?? Like…….HOWARD?? Or Maybe Paul?? Or Any1 Else..I Dont Get It…Denvers Roster Is Perfect. Exept A Star, If Denver Would Do That Then All Of A Sudden They Have A Chance At Their First Championship.

    • Michael (anotheraussienuggzfan)

      Do you not remember the whole Carmelo ordeal last year. Denver is not a “big market” team and that means that established stars (mostly the younger guys full of self importance) don’t want to come here as they don’t get to show off in front of movie stars and other celebrities on a regular basis.

      Another key factor which will deter stars from signing with Denver is coach Karl. He doesn’t have a great track record of dealing with star players and is not a great playoff coach.
      If we had a coach like Phil Jackson or Pop then players would see the titles they’ve won and be more inclined to come over.

      If Denver were only one piece away from being a serious championship contender then maybe you could persuade a veteran star to come here for the chance to win a title. That isn’t the case, we are young team currently missing several pieces.

      If Nene re-signs (still not sure where he will land, nets, pacers, rockets or nuggets) and we get AAA back too then we should probably make the playoffs as around 5 or 6 in the West.

    • Matt Henry

      I was thinking a trade from lopez from the nets, but I have no idea what we’d give them. maybe gallinari and some picks?

      • FinazzAus

        You could do a sign and trade for Lopez and nene

        • Matt Henry

          shoot, I’d take that anyday. I mean since the nets seem to be so eager to get rid of him.

          • Alex

            I think the Nets want Nene and Dwight Howard. The can’t give Denver Lopez, because he would have to go back to Orlando in a trade for Superman. I’d like to get at least something out of it though, at least a pick or two!

            • Matt Henry

              what if we gave them gallinari? We already have a surplus of small forwards, so we wouldn’t really be losing much.

              • Ricardo

                Why trade Gallinari, he could be a very good scorer and he is a good three-point shooter, plus any small forward would have a hard time defending him with the size he has, and he could also play some defense. I think Denver should keep Gallinari and test him for a season or two.

          • Andrew

            Do the Nets really want to get rid of Lopez? I would take Lopez for Nene too. Nene is better, but at least Denver will have a serviceable big.

            • Matt Henry

              I don’t think they want to get rid of him so much as they’re willing to lose him if they can still get dwight howard.

  • Mike

    I think we should bring back Billups this season and groom him to be the next head coach by having him study up on Doug Moe’s old offensive schemes. Maybe then we can stop worrying about basketball business and watch some crazy fast-paced basketball. I know crazy, but wouldn’t it be fun? J.R. Smith would love it.

  • DH

    I have been hoping Nene would return, at the right price. But $15M a year or more is nowhere near the right price IMO. We have to let him walk (or better yet, get something in a sign and trade, as Charlie mentioned).

    I don’t know if there’s anything to the rumors about the FA’s that Charlie listed – Mbah a Moute, Young, Young, and Jordan – but I’m thrilled if that’s really the list the Nuggets are working on. I think it shows that they are looking in the right direction. These guys are young with room to improve, and they have verifiable NBA skills. Of course, it all depends on the price. But I would think that each of them is relatively affordable, with the exception of Jordan (and he’s sure to return to the Clips). Then again, I always underestimate how much crazy owners are willing to overspend.

    • Kalen

      I agree about the players we’re going after. I like all of them for the most part. More than anything it’s just nice we’re going after young guys with room to improve rather than older, washed up vets. That’s a good sign in my eyes.

  • Tommy4daNuggz4ever

    Has Anyone heard anything about what the FO is up to at all I am not reading anywhere anything on us????

    • Charlie

      Don’t get too discouraged. One thing we learned from the Melo trade last year is that Masai and Josh are running a tight ship. As I have written before the 3-headed monster regime we previously had spilled out rumors like a leaky boat. I believe that works against teams trying to make sound, cheap deals. It’s important that Nuggets get a feel for the market besides desperately rushing out to use cap space

      • Tommy4daNuggz4ever

        Thank you Charlie im not getting discouraged im just not at home I am in Cali stationed by the US Navy so I don’t get much news other than you Kalen and Jermey other than ESPN INsider and what ever else I can hear from friends since I stumbled across this website about a year ago or so its just hard easier than when I was in hawaii but the three of you keep me sane and a few of the other guys that seem like regulars on here I like to talk and discuss thing with

        • Charlie

          No problem, thanks for reading and following the site. Will update on twitter and here when any substantial news comes out.

          • Tommy4daNuggz4ever

            Oh don’t worry never wanted a twitter acount but I might be making one I keep looking at all three of you to keep up on my phone I continue keep checking here when I get a second and I keep it up on my phone constantly lol I am a true follower of this site this is the first and last site I look at when I am looking for any info on the nuggets

            • Kalen

              Thanks Tommy! We love to hear that.

              • Tommy4daNuggz4ever

                Anytime Kalen love the writing and love the fact that yall get into discussions with all of us

        • http://www.roundballminingcompany.com Jeremy

          Thanks for following the site, but most importantly thanks for your service for our country.

          • Tommy4daNuggz4ever

            Thank you

  • gk4prez

    Is anyone else getting tired of Billups threatening retirement every time something doesn’t go his way?

    In my opinion, he should consider himself fortunate that the Knicks were dumb enough to pick up his 14.2 million dollar option in the first place.

    • Kalen

      Not at all. Billups is the most disrespected Finals MVP of all time. He’s been nothing but a model citizen throughout his career and all he’s ever gotten was shipped out for bigger stars with bigger egos who don’t understand the concept of a team. Billups is jaded. He’s just tired of this same old crap. I feel for the guy.

  • FinazzAus

    65mill Over 4 years. I’m I the only one thinking thats crazy talk. I always wanted to retain nene. And I don’t believe in rebuilding but holy crap his not worth 16.25 a year. if that goes through my tip Is he gets moved before the trade deadline.
    16.2mill A YEAR (Sorry had to write it again to make sure i wasn’t going insane)

    • Andrew

      None of it is crazy talk for the owners that have plenty of cash. I can remember back in the day when $1M seemed exorbitant.

  • Ricardo

    I don’t think Nene is going to be back, it’s going to be too expensive for them to bring him back and the Nets are giving him a good offer. It would be good if the nuggets could get one or two free agents to fill the starting power forward and the back-up shooting guard positions.

  • Jeremy B.

    Hey guys,

    So what’s the deal, why are there so few Nuggets rumors? I know that Masai is keeping a lid on things, but I haven’t even heard anything about us being close to a deal with Aflalo or working with Nene or anything!

    Being that it’s not looking good on the Nene front, but we have more cap space than almost any other team, do you think if we lost him we could toss a big offer (maybe the money we would have given Nene) Deandre Jordan’s way since he’s only 23 with huge upside, or do we just cash this in as a lost season and wait for the lottery?

    Also, if we don’t get Nene back and don’t go hard after Jordan, how do you think we spend the money to get over the baseline threshold? Do we overpay and try and steal T Young from the sixers, or do we wind up just spending to spend on a bunch of low ceiling role players that we don’t even want around here past this season?

    • Tommy4daNuggz4ever

      I think we Need to think about Thad Young and if we can have Nick Young works out with Mbah a Moute good defensive player but other than that i dont know much about him Nick young and AAA would be a good rotation but we have to get 2 SG’s since Forbes is pretty much walking out the door I like to see what we could get for Higgins since he is invited to the training camp him and AAA would be a great Scoring rotation and he went to CU.

      • Tommy4daNuggz4ever

        oh well that was until l was done writing then i read there is a done deal for Thad Young

        • Alex

          It’s important to remember that Denver doesn’t need to spend all that money before the season starts. It doesn’t need to meet the minimum until the trade deadline. We can wait until teams are looking to shed expiring deals at the deadline to get under the tax line, and take a few expiring deals, and ‘charge’ them by taking a pick. The expiring contracts won’t lock us up long term, and we could probably pick up 2-4 picks in the process.

          • Andrew

            True, but it sucks sitting here watching all the other teams make deals. Kind of like Christmas without the cool, new presents. I know t’s the thought that counts, but…

            • http://www.roundballminingcompany.com Jeremy

              At this rate Christmas for Nuggets fans will be on NBA draft lottery night. Nene is not gone yet, Denver still has a chance to sign him.

          • Tommy4daNuggz4ever

            I like the getting picks idea alot right now since we still dont know who we actually going to have or after

    • Kalen

      Keep in mind, this is an extremely weak free agent class. The fact we’re not overspending is a good sign. Our focus should be to re-sign our own guys and a few under-the-radar free agents, then come February see if we can get a good haul with all of our assets. If not, we’ll continue to let our young players develop, do well in next year’s historical draft and try to capitalize on 2012’s free agents.

  • Ricardo

    I hope the Nuggets could get Nick Young, he is a player with lots of potential. Mbah a Moute could also be a good option.

  • Michael (anotheraussienuggzfan)

    Jordan won’t be leaving the Clippers unless they work some other massive deal to bring in D12 or similar star status player. Blake Griffin has all but demanded Jordan be retained and the management will keep him happy.

    On the official Nuggets page, the training camp roster doesn’t even include the rookies because as far as I’m aware they haven’t even been officially signed yet.
    There is certainly a lack of details about the Nuggets but that is usually the case for us, nothing for ages then a big heap in one go and then maybe a couple of minor signings to fill out spaces/make up cap room.

    I’m not sure why we are looking at Mbah a Moute, he is 6.8″ with career averages of 6.7 pts and 5.6 reb. I could be wrong but don’t we already have a bunch of 6.7-6.8″ guys? What we need is a solid PF 6.10-6.11″ and a proven shooter as backup SG.

    • Matt Henry

      That’s what I’ve been wondering this whole time. Although it does kind of make sense if they’re planning on trading either Gallinari or Chandler.

    • DH

      Mbah a Moute is a premier defender. Any points he scores are a bonus. For the right price, I would rather have him on our team than to have to play against him. And I think it’s extremely unlikely that Chandler will be back. Just my two cents.

      • Charlie

        I’d have to agree. I’m very much in favor of Mbah a Moute at the right price. Would give the Nuggets a lot more lateral quickness in the frontcourt and allow them to continue some of the defensive stuff they did while Kenyon Martin was here. I think LRMaM is an underrated player, I just think it could be difficult to acquire him at a good price.

        • Kalen

          Count me in too. I admittedly haven’t seen much of Moute but if he’s the premier defender everyone says he is, then I’m fully on board.

  • gfacekillah

    My dream (yet still realistic) scenario is amnestying Al Harrington, resigning Afflalo and Nene and then overpaying for DeAndre Jordan. We have the cap room and ability to pull this off. If Nene jumps ship then I say we go after David West. I know he has a bum knee but he will have something to prove this year. A starting 5 of Ty, AA, Gallo, Nene and DeAndre with Andre, Birdman, Manimal, Wilson Chandler, and Mozgov off the bench would be unreal.

    • Matt Henry

      I still prefer seeing what we can get for Nene through a sign and trade. It makes no sense how much money he wants.

      • http://nugznazty.wordpress.com/ Owen

        agreed. I hope we sign and trade him and his knee blows out. hot potato! catch the aging underachiever who happens to look like a C but when he gets there wants to play PF while using crutches!

        • Matt Henry

          wow Owen that sounds a little harsh, I mean I don’t want us to pay the guy but I still wish him all the best.

  • Michael (anotheraussienuggzfan)

    I don’t see us getting much if anything back for Nene if he goes to the Nets and they also manage to land D12.
    The only thing we can offer is the extra year on the contract and at the money the Nets are offering I don’t think that extra year is really going to make much difference in terms of s&t potential.

    The Nets are going to be holding on to all of their assets (picks/players) in order to try and facilitate the trade of Howard.

    After reading the update about Forbes, I tend to agree. I like Forbes and think he has good potential and is a solid “team” guy, but if Toronto is offering him good money then I don’t know that we will match it as he is still unproven.

    Also our track record is reasonably good at letting guys walk for big money only to watch them play considering worse/lessor roles for their new teams (Kleiza, D Jones etc).
    On top of that we have a good record of finding the undervalued guys and getting a lot out of them (AAA, D Jones, Birdman when we first signed him back and others).

    However this year is going to be considerably different without the summer leagues to see different guys in action. A lot of guys are going to be out of game shape (I hate to think what condition Big Al is in… I hope he surprises but I’m almost certain he’s going to be way out of shape).
    I think guys that have worked hard and stayed in good shape will get reasonable contracts due to the compressed schedule, however I don’t know how much time the teams are investing in actually going to see the players and what condition they are in before signing them.

    All I can say is I’m glad we have Steve Hess, as I feel he is going to have his hands full this year with getting guys into shape quickly and keeping guys healthy.

  • http://nugznazty.wordpress.com/ Owen

    If he walks, the good thing is we’re basically just in the market for a PF now. Moz should be the starting center. We’ll be in pseudo-rebuild mode. But give these players 2-3 years together and we got a contender :D 2 years out of Ty and I think he’s a top 5 PG…’Nilo top 5 SF, Afflalo top 10 SG(with cliff notes about how he makes everyone else better), Mozgov top 10 C. Nene is aging and his knees could shatter into a million pieces at any moment. Then we’ve completely blown our next four years by overpaying the sucker, we’d have to amnesty him instead of Harrington :(

  • FinazzAus

    IF nene does go. It’s not totally over for the 2011/2012 season. A lot of players will come avaiable from waver. I really think they could be bargains to be had when teams start drops players.

  • Andrew

    I think I am alone on this board, but it depresses me to hear that Usai said he is not going to go crazy and then hear about all of the other deals going on. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

    Unlike the NFL, in the NBA (pre and apparently post-CBA) it is all about overspending for players until you find the right mix and can play for a championship.

    I think people on this board are dreaming if they think the Nuggets can sit back, wait for sue scraps before the trade deadline, and then slowly, and quietly build a championship team some time down the road. It ain’t happening. That is not the ay it seems to happen in the NBA. Some teams pay for a chance at greatness and some do not. Do you really think Ty Law will think it is ok to sit back and wait for a year, two years, three years for the Nuggets to “build”? Come on. Quit dreaming of doing it on the cheap, Masai and Josh. Pay to play! Money talks, b*llsh*t walks! You need to go after the right players, but the Nuggets need size and talent and you have to pay for that. Plain and simple.

    • http://www.roundballminingcompany.com Jeremy

      I am not sure what you want the Nuggets to do. The Clippers are not going to let Jordan walk, ditto Gasol and the Grizzlies. Even if they ante up for Nene, and nab a David West, then they are out of cap space and the team is done. That is not a championship team. Sure maybe they win a playoff series at some point, but I would prefer they start over and attempt to build the team like Oklahoma City did. Sure it takes a lot of luck to get a Kevin Durant in the lottery, but that is how it goes in the NBA. As I have written before, the Bulls had to bottom out to get Rose, Boston was bad for a couple years while they stockpiled the assets to get KG. The Heat bottomed out and drafted Wade. Even if the team stinks this year and maybe even next as long as they take care of the cap, make smart decisions and have a little luck, they can build a true title team. Next year’s draft is loaded and if the Nuggets can have their own high pick and stockpile a couple more from other teams for absorbing salary then they are well on their way.

      • gk4prez

        Shakes head in agreement

    • FinazzAus

      Here here. Totally agree.

    • http://nugznazty.wordpress.com/ Owen

      yeah we overpaid for Kmart and it didn’t really work. Big market teams paying max contracts works sometimes. Small market teams have to be much more crafty and find diamonds in the rough, or bottom out and get great draft picks. We have a GREAT front office that keeps getting undervalued players and did awesome in the draft this year. Maybe J Ham picks up the scoring that we lose without JR and faried blossoms into and amazing PF…plus we pay them like 17 million less than Kmart/JR.

  • Jeremy B.

    Time to wait for Perry Jones!!!!!

  • FinazzAus

    Update on Afflalo anyone???

    • Kalen

      He sounds pissed. I’ll try and get something up here.

  • Rog

    Chauncey announcing retirement makes sense, if nobody puts in a bid then he’s a free agent and he can go anywher he wants… Maybe Miami, maybe Denver?
    We defintely need to add a defender like Moute so that we can TRY to lock down Kevin Durant.

  • Omar

    nuggets need to re-sign afflalo, but no one has thrown an offer yet. stone was a good pick-up. i could see denver trading miller for a late draft pick to a contender, near the trade deadline. nuggets should definitely pick up cory higgins as well, really good kid with lots of talent.

  • Omar

    nuggets just need throw afflalo an offer, we need that guy on this team

  • jim

    i’d feel a whole lot better with an offer out there for aaa,like today.

    the nets threw more money at nene than chandler got from nyk. wow, good luck with that.

  • Peter

    Anyone saying the Nuggets need to spend a lot this offseason what are you hoping for? Is there anybody out there that is going to put us up there with Miami and OKC? I mean really, the only way we have a chance at the division is if Durant or Westbrook gets hurt. I don’t know how expensive he is but I hear the Knicks are offering 3mil for anyone to take Turiaf off their hands since they signed Chandler. He could be a solid big if Masai thinks we need more depth up front. It’s a shame that Forbes is gone, but hopefully that will just open up more minutes for JHam.

  • Michael (anotheraussienuggzfan)

    I didn’t know anything about Stone so I did a quick youtube search… This looks like something that may have been filmed as a “scouting” video.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_UjQiaKb0k

    He shoots the corner 3 well and has good size. I also watched a college highlight clip in a game he was 2 rebounds away from getting a triple double.
    He seems very capable, not sure of his background story and why he wasn’t picked up in the draft (the were reports that the Lakers were looking to take him, but didn’t).

    The second comment quoted from AAA above makes me think he is specifically talking about Denver and that he may not be so inclined to re-sign.

    So we’ve got a couple of gaurds/swingmen coming to camp, but I didn’t see any big men on the list. Can anyone think of any passed over big men that may have missed the draft or have been in D-League that could fill a roster spot? (not really what we are looking for, but you never know when one of these guys might be a diamond in the rough, however unlikely).

    • Ricardo

      If Afflalo doesn’t re-sign, the nuggets may have to pursue Nick Young for sure.

  • Omar

    greg smith out of fresno state. not sure if he is in another team’s camp but the nuggets were interested in him.

  • Rog

    It’s like nobody wants to take our money.
    Even the Tier 2 FAs are passing on us. We’re screwed.

  • Omar

    ^^^^ it’s not like any of these free agents are team changers. nugs gotta play it safe this offseason. lot of small market teams making mistakes. nuggets will wait until all the smoke clears and pick up the remaining pieces.

  • Rog

    I guess. Are we gonna have enough to field a team THIS year?

    • Matt Henry

      we will, but it sure won’t be anything like last year’s team

  • Omar

    we will be alright, i think we will be contending for that 8th seed, and we will have some assets to trade for draft picks so we can add some young talent. i doubt ,miller stays with us past the trade deadline and chandler at this point is just a trade piece.

  • Omar

    if nuggets lose nene to the netds, i’m hoping we could at least get jordan willaiams and marshon brooks in a s&t.

  • Michael (another aussie Nugz fan)

    The Nuggets official page has some footage of the first day of training camp.
    JHam hits a nice step back 3 over Gallo right at the end.

  • Ricardo

    Nuggets want to sign DeAndre Jordan to an offer sheet.

  • Ricardo

    The Nuggets have just signed Mbah a Moute to a four-year, $19 million offer sheet, hopefully Milwaukee wouldn’t match it.