Nuggets striking match for Forbes [UPDATE: Rudy Fernandez traded to Denver]

HoopsHype’s Raul Barrigon is reporting the Nuggets are leaning towards matching the Raptors contract offer for Gary Forbes. Meanwhile, Anthony Carter, who recently chose Toronto over Denver as his next one-year destination is petitioning for the Nuggets not to match. Maybe next time he asks to use our practice gym post-lockout, we’ll just slam the door in his face.

All joking aside, my stance on the Gary Forbes issue is this: If he would have no problem staying in Denver then the Nuggets should match, but if he really wants to leave for what he believes are greener pastures then let him walk. Though I like Forbes, the fact of the matter is his presence alone is not going to alter the future of this franchise either way.

In other news, according to Alex Kennedy the Nuggets have reportedly offered a contract to Earl Clark, though it’s his desire to stay with his incumbent Orlando Magic. If you remember right, Clark is an extremely talented 6-10 forward out of the University of Louisville who was selected 14th overall by the Phoenix Suns in the 2009 NBA Draft. Though just like recent Nuggets signing, DeMarre Carroll, Clark’s career never really panned out the way people thought it would. After seeing limited minutes, being sent down to the D-League then traded to the Orlando Magic, Clark is now looking to finally make an impact in the NBA.

I’m not exactly sure where I read it, or saw it on TV, but here within the last few days I remember hearing Magic head coach, Stan Van Gundy, gush over just how talented Clark is. I remember him saying that his offense is fantastic, but he just needed to “figure things out,” or something to that extent. Yet once again, the Nuggets are connected to a young, talented player who never quite lived up to his draft position or hype. I find it quite interesting to be honest. I’m not sure if Masai believes he can take in all these youngsters and start up some sort of reclamation project to revive their careers and finally dig into that untapped potential, or what. The way I see it, if we’re gonna need 15 contacts to fill out the books I have no problem signing two or three guys like Clark, Carroll, Stone and Speights, however at some point we need to address not only Nene and Afflalo, but other holes in our roster as well. We still have tons of money that needs to be spent and its a bit puzzling why our name hasn’t at least been connected to guys like Samuel Dalembert, Kris Humphries and Carl Landry. Yes, I know those player are all looking for a big pay day, but negotiating never hurts. Bottom line.

Finally, according to former Rocky Mountain News contributor, Chris Tomasson, the Nuggets are seeing what happens with Nene before figuring out “what they might do with restricted free agent Arron Afflalo.”

Excuse me if I might ask: WHAT THE HELL IS THERE TO FIGURE OUT!?!? I guess it’s nice to know why its been taking so long to re-sign Afflalo, but I have a hard time understanding how there is more than one option with him. You re-sign him. Period. End of story. Capiche? Unless there is some kind of under-the-table monster trade that is going to land us Andrew Bynum and a first-round draft pick, I for the life of me, cannot figure out why what you do with Afflalo hinges on where Nene lands.

Unless…

Are the Nuggets contemplating full-on rebuild-mode? This would explain all the young players we’ve brought in recently, and let’s be honest here, if Nene doesn’t re-sign there’s a good chance our front office will decide to travel this road anyways. Maybe the Nuggets figure they can get a lot for Afflalo too? However, this just wouldn’t make much sense. As I’ve said before, I believe the Nuggets are closer to being on the rise than they are going downhill. Between Gallo, Ty, Afflalo, Faried, Mozgov and Hamilton, you have an extremely nice young core. There’s absolutely no reason to blow it all up just because Nene is leaving. Faried should have no problem whatsoever filling in K-Mart’s shoes, and with all the money we have, going after and landing someone like Dalembert would immediately fill the center void.

At this point, I’m a little frustrated and confused, as most Nuggets fans probably are too. Stay tuned as more news proliferates. As always, we’ll keep you updated.

[UPDATE: According to multiple sources Denver has traded a future second-round pick to Dallas in exchange for Rudy Fernandez and Corey Brewer. Marc Stein is reporting the deal was possible through the trade exceptions Denver received in the Carmelo Anthony deal from last season. More reaction to follow, but for now I’ll just say this: Denver is still one of the deepest teams in the league if Afflalo and Nene re-sign, if not the deepest. That nice run we went on after Melo darted for New York — think of having that for an entire year. The amount of assets Denver possesses right now is nothing short of miraculous. This opens up the possibility for even bigger moves to potentially be made down the line. But re-signing Afflalo and Nene must still remain priority No. 1.]

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Kalen was born in Durango, CO, in 1988 and graduated from Metropolitan State University of Denver in 2013 with a degree in journalism. He's now an itinerant hoping to travel as much as possible before eventually succumbing to the "real world." Aside from writing Kalen likes movies, music, spicy food and the great outdoors. Edward Abbey is his current idol.
  • Alex

    Just say no to Dalembert. The last thing I want to see is for Denver to offer him $8-10 million a year. His PER was lower last year than Speights, who has been mentioned as a possibility to come to Denver, and also lower than Chris Anderson. Sammy D ranked no. 28 last year in PER for centers.

    An average starting center deserves $8 to 10 mil, but not the 28th best center. I’d rather take a flier and hope that Mozgov can become a starter than to see this money flush $36 to $40 million, and 4 years on an over 30 below average center.

  • Alex

    Just say no to Dalembert. The last thing I want to see is for Denver to offer him $8-10 million a year. His PER was lower last year than Speights, who has been mentioned as a possibility to come to Denver, and also lower than Chris Anderson. Sammy D ranked no. 28 last year in PER for centers.

    An average starting center deserves $8 to 10 mil, but not the 28th best center. I’d rather take a flier and hope that Mozgov can become a starter than to see Denver flush $36 to $40 million, and 4 years on an over 30 below average center.

    • Kalen

      I don’t think he’s gonna get that type of money though. If he was gonna get paid $8-10 mil don’t you think he would have already been signed by now? I don’t’ know, just my opinion. I’d definitely take a shot for around $5 mil per year, which I think can be done.

      • Kalen

        Plus, people keep forgetting, Nene has been very vocal about wanting to win. Don’t you think that if we sign Dalembert and re-sign Afflalo he’ll see that we’re committed to wining and re-sign? You know he’s not gonna pass up the extra money we can give him, plus, I’m sure he’d love to finally play power forward.

  • Klules

    I’m on record hoping we could Dalembert on a long shot deal if the dollars are right. I think he’s a short term answer. Would love to see an assessment of our draft picks once all this is done as well.

  • DH

    Multiple sources are reporting that Rudy Fernandez is coming to Denver, for “future draft considerations”. Also, the Nuggets are trying to expand the deal to include Corey Brewer.

    Fernandez, if his head is right, could help offset the loss of JR, somewhat, at a smaller salary. But going after him AND Brewer, and also considering matching for Forbes…? Could it be that they are writing off Afflalo? Sure, Forbes and Rudy could provide offense and Brewer can play defense, but all three would have to play at the same time to replace Afflalo. I’m not sure what they’re doing. Maybe they have a sign and trade in the works for Afflalo. I don’t know.

    • jim

      sounds like a done deal. pretty interesting for a second round pick. but i had the same thoughts: this means what for getting something done for aaa?

  • Omar

    a s&t for afflalo would be interesting. i like afflalo and everything but its not like he is not replaceable

  • Amel

    I really don’t wanna see us losing Afflalo. He’s the only leader on our roster and with all these young guys it’s important to have players who can lead by example. I’d also s&t Nene if it’s somehow possible because we have to take a step forward and I don’t see any point in keeping him if we want to build a new young force. If we fail to do well with all these youngsters?! Doesn’t matter anything, because we’d be able to get a high pick (do we have our own 1st round pick 2012?) and we’d have a lot of cap space. And by looking at the next year’s free agency we could even land some very good players.

    Btw, does anyone (just like me) think that we could be involved in a blockbuster-trade as a 3rd team?

    • Matt Henry

      I could definitely see that happening with us having nene, and all these extra wing players, in addition to our guys out in China.

  • Ricardo

    I hope the nuggets doesn’t get Dalembert, he would ask for too much moneyand we wouldn’t have as much cap space to get more players. I prefer the nuggets get Fernandez and Speights.

    The nuggets shouldn’t have signed DeMarre Carroll to a contract, he have not develop like people expected he would, I thinkgetting Clark could have been a better option.

  • Matt Henry

    Finally the nuggets did something exciting. Although, I’m not certain how much I like adding Fernandez.

  • Vitaliy

    1. I don’t believe that signing Dalembert equates a commitment to winning in any way. He could be a benefit in a 1 or 2 year deal, freeing Nene to move to PF, but i think the cost/benefit ratio would not rationalize that move.

    2. In some ways don’t we believe that at at $8 mil + a year Aaron Affalo, is completely overvalued. I understand the NBA has been throwing out these deals to less deserving players, i.e Caron Butler, but a decent shooting guard may not be the type of player to deserve that kind of deal.

    3. Why don’t we package up some of our assets and really make a splash going after a big? Would a sign and trade of Nene, a 1st rounder, and Chandler rights to the Lakers for Gasol work?

    • Matt Henry

      I don’t think trading for Gasol would be a good idea. He looked quite frail in the playoffs, and the fact that the Lakers are so eager to rid themselves of him, only confirms that he is losing value in their eyes. Also, trading Chandler might not be the best of idea’s; true he might not want to actually be a nugget, but of all the SF’s we have he’s probably the only one who has the potential to be a great all-around player.

  • Omar

    but just imagine this lineup with dalembert and a re-signed nene

    lawson/miller
    afflalo/fernandez
    gallinari/brewer
    nene/faried
    dalembert/mozgov

    i think we would easily be a better team than last year.

    • Kalen

      And that’s not even taking into account Jordan Hamilton, Koufos, Harrington, Stone and Chandler when he gets back.

      People have to realize that other than the Lakers, Spurs, Thunder and Mavericks, the West is pretty wide open. I don’t see any teams outside of those above that are better than us if we can re-sign Nene and Afflalo.

  • Ricardo

    The next player the nuggets should go after is Speights.

  • Colby

    If this does mean that the Nuggets aren’t going to resign Arron, then I don’t like it. I do like bringing these 2 guys in and I like the idea of Clark. Maybe even look at Thabeet if he gets waived. I just don’t want to get rid of Arron. He has gotten better every year, and I think that he will continue that trend. I wouldn’t mind getting rid of Nene, as long as they get some assets and a draft pick back in return. I just think that it would be a huge mistake to let Arron go.

    • aussienuggsfan

      Yeah I agree we should get thabeet if waived and not resign nene

  • Vitaliy

    If the rumors are true that Nene is valued at around $15 million, then I don’t see how the Nuggets can justify paying that for someone who has a career average of 12 and 7.

    With the additions of Brewer and Fernandez, I believe that the Nuggets may have too much depth. It should serve to their benefit in a shortened season, but come the playoffs who do they go to?

    I believe its time to package up some players and either get some picks for next years loaded draft or really make a splash in a big name acquisition.

    • aussienuggsfan

      I think we definately should package some players for picks because the lineup we currently have has a lot of nice players but nothing special and we still might have chandler back soon.

      Obviously trading for a superstar would be preferable but I can guarantee paul and Dwight wouldnt resign

      I think the best options are to package up some guys for picks and maybe a star type player like josh smith or even a monta Ellis although I think afflalo should be our starter at the 2 so that might not work

      The key though for a semi small market like Denver though is to build around the draft and this is a very strong one. Too many people are suggesting we get a lot of above average players like nene and dalermbert so we become a playoff team but being mediocre is the worst thing to be

  • Tommy4daNuggz4ever

    ESPN sources: Nene and Nuggets reach terms on five-year, $67 million deal

  • Cody

    I don’t understand why the nuggets are taking so long to sign afflalo,hes probably feeling disrespected by the organization.

    • Tommy4daNuggz4ever

      Nene is signed now they will sign AAA that is what they said they would do we will see

  • Tebow time

    Still feel like we need to flip some of these assets for draft picks. Maybe with all these euros raptors might be interested.

    Assuming chandler comes back, our lineup

    Lawson/miller/stone
    Afflalo/Fernandez / brewer/ higgins
    Gallo/ chandler/ hamilton/ carroll
    Nene/ Harrington/ faried
    Mozgov/ bird/ koufos

    • jim

      have to say it feels good to have nene. i was on the fence, but right now, it feels better than i thought.

      what’s the rumour about fernandez getting bought out and he heads back to spain?

      gawd, that lineup is stacked with a ton of players. surely there is couple more moves coming.

  • Tebow time

    Still feel like we need to flip some of these assets for draft picks. Maybe with all these euros raptors might be interested.

    Assuming chandler comes back, our lineup

    Lawson/miller/stone
    Afflalo/Fernandez / brewer/ higgins
    Gallo/ chandler/ hamilton/ carroll
    Nene/ Harrington/ faried
    Mozgov/ bird/ koufos

    It’s feels crowded without having something really special. It looks like at best a team that bundles out in the second round of the playoffs.

    I think We should flip rudy(Another jr without the big highlights) and get rid of big al at the very least. I think you wait until after this season to choose between gallo and chandler. And Koufos sucks and I would rather thabeet or speights

  • Kalen

    New post up regarding the Nene signing!

  • JR15
  • hubertnoise

    Does anyone know who we will use our amnesty clause on? Harrington?
    I LOVE that we’ve got Nene back and I can’t wait to see what Faried and Hamilton can do. I think we might have struck gold through the draft this past summer- but we will have to wait and see.
    I agree that we should trade some of our assets for high draft picks in the 2012 draft, but if the lottery will be as deep as it appears to be why would a lottery team trade its pick for a role player? Perhaps Ujiri has some more magic up his sleeve…

    • AAA

      I love the moves Denver has made so far hopefully we can resign aaa soon and I really hope Masai can round of this offseason with one or two moves to clean up this crowded roster, and maybe get into the lottery