Rapid Reaction: Nuggets 81, Hornets 94

New Orleans Hornets 94 Final
Recap | Box Score
81 Denver Nuggets
Nene, C 30 MIN | 3-8 FG | 3-6 FT | 11 REB | 4 AST | 9 PTS | -16
The one knock on Nene has always been his soft demeanor and his uncanny ability to disappear in big moments. That’s been the one caveat to his well-rounded game and tonight we saw all that all his athletic ability and efficiency comes at a price. Nene was a defensive sieve and after looking decent against Kaman and Okafor last Friday, he was dominated inside and couldn’t be bothered to put up much a fight.
Danilo Gallinari, SF 38 MIN | 6-12 FG | 1-2 FT | 4 REB | 3 AST | 15 PTS | -18
Gallinari didn’t play the fourth quarter till the game was well out of hand. Unfortunately that wasn’t the only factor that made his stat-sheet contributions an empty effort. Defensively Gallinari was awful against his fellow countryman Marco Bellinelli and any other Hornet lucky enough to find themselves guarded by him.
Timofey Mozgov, C 11 MIN | 1-3 FG | 2-2 FT | 1 REB | 1 AST | 4 PTS | +2
Not enough minutes to be a factor either way, but the Nuggets had some success guarding the rim and played better defense with him in the game. Nene and Mozgov continue to look like an odd pairing in the starting lineup. Karl’s quest to go small no matter how poor the matchup ultimately erased whatever small chance Mozgov had at making a difference against the Hornets dominant front line.
Arron Afflalo, SG 34 MIN | 2-8 FG | 8-10 FT | 3 REB | 1 AST | 13 PTS | 0
Not a good game. He was one of only two Nuggets putting up some kind of resistance on defense and it salvages his passing grade. Afflalo continues to set a poor example with questionable shot selection. Don’t be fooled by the 10 free throw attempts – Afflalo is a poor ballhandler and not a great finisher. The Nuggets need him playing his game and instead he forced offense all night – with poor results.
Ty Lawson, PG 35 MIN | 6-11 FG | 1-1 FT | 3 REB | 3 AST | 15 PTS | -9
Lawson was awful on Jarrett Jack. He made poor decisions with the ball and just couldn’t sustain what little momentum the Nuggets were able to get. There’s a caveat to Lawson’s grade – he injured his ankle towards the end of the first half and looked hobbled the rest of the way. I would’ve liked to see him rest and he probably should have, but Lawson was a warrior and battled through.
Al Harrington, PF 18 MIN | 1-4 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 2 AST | 2 PTS | -11
Is Al Harrington as good as his torrid start to the season suggests? Absolutely not, and it would have been totally unreasonable to believe so. Harrington won’t be able to defend consistently and that limits the impact of his offensive talents. When he can’t hit shots, it’s just pure disaster as we saw tonight. Really awful defense and if Al Harrington’s 13-year career is any indication, there’s more to come.
Andre Miller, PG 22 MIN | 0-5 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 3 AST | 0 PTS | -13
To get an ‘F’ it goes beyond having a bad game. That happens to everyone. You have to be actively hurting the team every minute to be this bad. Miller did just that, making selfish decisions with the ball and doing the same thing he’s been doing all year – shooting too much. Miller’s contributions to this team have been overstated and I don’t like the way he’s played all year. He is an odd fit on this team to be honest.
Chris Andersen, C 5 MIN | 0-1 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 0 PTS | -1
Incomplete. For whatever reason, he received a few charity minutes from George Karl and didn’t do enough to affect anything. Considering how poorly he’s played as of late, I’m not sure why Koufos didn’t get the call earlier.
Corey Brewer, SF 8 MIN | 2-5 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 0 AST | 5 PTS | 0
Incomplete. Despite earning minutes, Brewer was another charity case given a few scraps for no apparent reason. Unlike Birdman he probably deserved his shot but just didn’t do enough to make any fair judgement concerning his play.
DeMarre Carroll, F 1 MIN | 2-2 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 4 PTS | +6
He saw a minute in garbage time, perhaps confirming suspicions that Faried won’t see a single meaningful minute of court time no matter what. Incomplete.
Rudy Fernandez, SG 27 MIN | 6-12 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 2 AST | 14 PTS | -9
Fernandez made shots, but they were awful ones. I really would have liked to see Brewer eat into his minutes. Rudy plays with energy and reckless abandon, but he is not an explosive scorer and I fear that this coaching staff somehow believes he is. Energy and effort were there, but he just took terrible shots and he doesn’t take enough pride on the defensive end. Another empty statline.
Kosta Koufos, C 10 MIN | 0-0 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 0 AST | 0 PTS | +4
Incomplete. He was called in during the second half, but unfortunately the Nuggets were already getting blown out and had no shot. Like Mozgov, the coaching staff has zero trust in him and refused to give him a chance in a game dominated by size.

Five Things We Saw

  1. Coaching – F: The Hornets strength is their overwhelming size and their solid collection of post players. It was clear in the last game in New Orleans and it was clear tonight. On Friday, Koufos had a big game and delivered the win despite the Nuggets falling behind early thanks to the Hornets ability to control the game with size. George Karl’s team looks like they were satisfied coming out of San Antonio with a close loss and weren’t ready to play. They continued to play no-defense small ball and Karl refused to adjust to the matchup against New Orleans.
  2. Conditioning – D: Most of the Nuggets looked a step slow and out of shape. The schedule has been difficult, but there’s no excuse to come out so flat at home on a day’s rest, especially against a Hornets team missing their best player and their best wing defender. Nuggets players weren’t properly prepared to compete and as a result there was no energy in the game.
  3. Toughness – D+: Once the Hornets got past the first line of defense, there was zero resistance at the rim. Granted the Nuggets played small most of the game, but there’s no way to overlook the glaring defensive hole in the middle. Denver is a very soft team and the defense has been overrated by early season factors including fatigue, home court advantage and most of all luck.
  4. Roster Balance – C-: The Nuggets strength is their depth, but they have a collection of flawed players and no one truly reliable on either the offensive or defensive end. There are no go-to players when the team needs a big basket or a crucial defensive stop. Depth serves no purpose when you have incumbents like Al Harrington, Andre Miller, and Chris Andersen who are going to receive minutes no matter what. The Nuggets are not a contender in the Western Conference with this roster remaining intact.
  5. Player Development – F: The truest sign of a non-contending team is home blowout losses against lesser opponents. Not to knock New Orleans, but they are without their best player, one of their veteran leaders and they have lost six games in a row. As the Nuggets charge toward another first round playoff exit, players like Andre Miller, Al Harrington, Rudy Fernandez and Chris Andersen will carry the load. None of these players have futures in Denver and the guys on the bench won’t get any better by sitting and watching. The most promising young players can’t improve without playing time and from a development standpoint, it’s looking like a lost season. The Nuggets future is cloudy.

Game 10 Advanced Stats:

Pace Factor:  88.7 – The slowest game of the year by far
Offensive Efficiency:  91.3 – Pathetic
Defensive Efficiency:  106.0 – Pathetic

Candid Notes by Kalen:

— Although it was ugly it’s important for everyone to remember this was only one game! I understand the implications that a single contest can present at times, but I’d highly advise against delving too far into the details here (which I’m about to do anyways). At the immediate conclusion of the game I was just as furious as I’m sure many of you were, although after having a few hours to sit on it, I’ve realized how inconsequential one game during a lockout-ridden season really is. Sure Al had a rough outing and so did Miller, but I think Charlie was a little tough on the these guys and the team as a whole tonight. Let’s keep in mind: You could make a really strong argument that Al, up to this point, has been the best, most consistent player on the Nuggets roster and has in fact played good defense. Meanwhile Miller has continued to post one of the best assist-to-turnover ratios in the entire league and has also played good defense for the most part considering all the two guards he’s had to cover. Sure, most title contenders don’t lose games like these at home, but some do. Still, whoever said Denver was a title contender in the first place? I guess I just think this team has played pretty damn good up to this point and there’s no reason we should discount everything that’s happened over one lousy performance. Every year almost every team in the NBA suffers at least one of these though losses (though it may not be this bad), so perhaps it was good the Nuggets got theirs out of the way already. There’s no doubt in my mind this team will not again come out as ill-prepared as it did Monday.

That said… this was one ugly loss. In fact, I can’t remember suffering a loss this bad in a really long time. Off the top of my head, I’d say the loss to Portland on the last day of the regular season in 2009, right before the Nuggets went on its historic Western Conference Finals run, was probably just as bad considering what was on the line. But this… this was just disheartening more than anything. What I saw against the Hornets was nothing more than a cocky, unprepared, lackadaisical team that though it could sleepwalk through a victory against an injury-plagued squad simply because it was playing at home. If you haven’t already read it I strongly urge you to glance at my 3-on-3 pregame article I participated in over at Hornets247.com, as it’s brief and explains everything both teams had to do in order to win. The funny thing is the Hornets did almost exactly what I suggested while the Nuggets did the opposite. In short: The Hornets played tough defense and controlled the glass to near perfection, meanwhile the Nuggets took its strongest weapon –home-court advantage — for granted and made poor use of its depth. That was the recipe for each team to succeed, and on Monday, only one team followed the directions.

As for a few key developments I noticed…

— Up to this point I’ve been extremely lenient with Birdman. I guess he’ll always have a special place in my heart for that incredible comeback story he authored in 2009 and the huge defensive-energy role he played on quite possibly the best Nuggets team of all time that went to the Conference Finals. But my patients are wearing, as are George Karl’s. It’s almost baffling at this point how broken down Birdman’s fundamentals are. I remember the days when he could watch a guy pump-fake three to four times and not once bite on a single move. But oh, how times have changed. These days Birdman is almost like a toddler; you can fool him with the easiest trick in the book. I really hope he figures this out soon, because if not he’ll likely find himself on the receiving end of the amnesty provision sometimes next year.

— Offensive rebounding is virtually non-existent in Denver right now. The Nuggets currently rank second to last in the league in offensive rebounds per game, only .1 percent ahead of Toronto. Again, this is something that has changed drastically in the last few years as the Nuggets were always a team that you could count on to crash the glass leading to monster put-back dunks. Kenyon Martin specifically comes to mind when pondering this type of play. Of course, attempting to follow up shots certainly doesn’t help when you’re perpetually playing small ball and having to go up against much taller forwards. The developing 2012 Nuggets theme, “When will this be addressed?” applies aptly to this scenario.

— I’m legitimately starting to wonder if Karl’s fast-break offense is nothing more than the option, or “Wildcat,” of the NBA. We see this in the NFL (especially here in Denver), as something that can work temporarily but by no means is a recipe for long-term success. We all know that once the playoffs start the game slows down and your life essentially depends on executing in the half-court set. Well, I think it’s fair to say that if the playoffs started today the Nuggets would be doomed. As we speak, Denver is abysmal when it comes to operating in any other mode outside of the fast-break offense. The problem is: teams are already starting to adjust. If you ask me, the book on the Nuggets is out and it’s likely titled, “Get back on transition defense and win.” When will this be addressed??? 

— The Nuggets’ defense is slowly becoming a problem. Denver simply cannot stop people even when they try. We saw it against San Antonio and we saw it again against one of the worst offensive teams in the league in the New Orleans Hornets. At times, Denver plays solid team defense which usually leads to turnovers and thus, the fast-break offense, but this is more of an anomaly than a customary habit. Sometimes individuals will even go through extended stretches of supreme defensive effort, that will only vanish minutes later. Although this is a prime “When will this be addressed?” candidate, it’s not quite as glaring as some of the other deficiencies the Nuggets are currently dealing with and can therefore be tolerated… for now. More than anything Karl just needs to remind the team more often of how important defense is to its identity.

— One specific aspect of defense that does however qualify for “When will this be addressed?” is rotations. I simply cannot state in words how bad the Nuggets are on defensive rotations. It’s abominable, lets’ just say that. The problem is, this IS the very essence of playing team defense. If you don’t rotate fast enough, you cause a teammate to cover your ineptitude which in turn leaves that persons’ man wide open. In the NBA, wide open equals dead. A little anecdote: Tonight, after watching the Nuggets I caught some of the Chicago Bulls game and was blown away at how much better their defensive rotations were compared to the Nuggets. It was like watching a true professional basketball team, or at least how a true professional basketball team should play. Their movement was crisp, their organization flawless and unlike the Nuggets they were in a constant state of communication. The Nuggets simply cannot make it through an entire season as one of the better teams in the league if this issue is not resolved in a timely fashion. So I ask, When will this be addressed???

— Finally, Koufos and Mozgov. I’m probably the only person in Nuggets Nation keeping this alive and probably the only one who cares but for whatever reason I cannot let it go. In my eyes, the best players on each team at each position should be starting (aside from sixth men) and for the Nuggets Koufos is this person in center form, end of story!!! I’ve watched more than enough footage of both Mozgov and Koufos to determine this truth, so after each game that Mozgov clumsily stumbles his way to another 15-plus minutes of foul-infested, catatonic wandering I’m left flummoxed at what George Karl could possibly be thinking starting him over Koufos. I think it’s fair to say, that in George’s mind, the “Mozgov Mirage” is in full effect. When will this be addressed???

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  • Aaron

    Wowwww That Was The Worst Nugget Game ive Seen In Years. I Hate To Say It But Nene and Miller Have Got To Go. Miller Ball Hogs Almost Like Like Melon Use To, AND MILLER IS A PG! Nene Is The Whimpiest PF-C ive EVRR Seen And Also Slowes Denvers Fast Pace Offensive. And Gawd GK Play Faried And Brewer! Those 2 Are The Only Players That Will HUSTLE 100% Every Minute.

  • evan

    Damn….. =(

  • Jeff

    Andre Miller deserves the F (standing around on defense, moving slow, putting up bad shots) and the Nuggets played bad but some of the comments are harsh.
    Al Harrington is not a terrible defender in my eyes and I think he IS as good as he has been playing. If you look at his career stats, yes, they were often with poor teams, but this guy has skills and has shown good defense this year.
    I agree that Rudy is not an explosive scorer, but he hustled and made shots, and I would have given him at least a B-.
    Player Development… I really think Faried would be useful in games like this and that is my main bone to pick with George Karl. But Mozgov has been starting and Koufos has been getting more minutes than Birdman, so I think it’s unfair to say that Karl is just stubbornly sticking with veterans.

    • Charlie

      Al Harrington’s 13 year career suggests he’s a good offensive player and a bad defender. Since he’s been playing big minutes none of his teams were any good on defense. I believe Al will continue to be a pretty good scorer but if anything he’s a poor/average defender and we can’t start disputing that fact until he consistently does better.

      I thought Rudy had no business taking at least 3-4 of the shots that he ended up making. They went in, but that does not make it a good shot.

      The problem with player development is that the minutes are not consistent. None of the young guys are going to develop any confidence playing a great 20 minutes one night and then playing 6 minutes the next 4 games.

      I think Karl is waiting out Birdman’s slump. Andersen is almost a sure bet to return to playing 15-20 minutes a night at some point.

      • Dubz

        No need to bash Al. If his current play is one of the biggest problems on this team, it will go far into the playoffs. Al worked his ass off in the off season to regain his quickness so give the man a chance. Obviously 13 year trends tend to re appear but don’t hope for the worst!

  • Jeff

    Also, the one positive. Carroll still hasn’t missed a shot this season!!! Rejoice Nuggets fans.

  • Omar

    a trade needs to happen asap. we cannot not continue playing small ball. we need to have length and speed on this team, miller is neither. move him before george karl get us eliminated from the playoffs in the first round again. birdman also needs to go.trade nene to houston if they still want him, id give him up for the knicks draft pick, patrick patterson, and jordan hill. get it done masai we need speed and toughness

    • aussienuggzfan

      LOVE THIS TRADE, WOULD DO IT IN A HEART BEAT!
      New York pick is looking like a top 20 pick and Jordan Hill and Patrick Patterson are very talented players.

  • Alex

    I really think Corey Brewer should get in the game more often and Faried should just get put in the game at all where he can put all his energy and hustle to work. Those two guys are going to be the biggest source of pure energy off of the bench. One thing that we really lacked tonight. That wasn’t the Nuggets team I have seen in every other game this season.

  • Kevin

    anyone think that masai can package bird and miller for anything? it’s getting painful watching bird play and i think miller is just going through the motions til his contract expires and he can go to a contender. we need defensive minded, young, hustle oriented players.

    • Skyler

      You just described Faried

  • Skyler

    I think we should calm down because it was only one game. I agree with all the comments made, just not the extent of them. I am willing to give Coach Karl the benefit of the doubt on some of his decisions as he IS an NBA coach.

    • Joe

      ……that has never won a championship, only made it to the finals once, has a career .436 win percentage in the playoffs, and has a .348 win percentage in the playoffs since taking over for the nuggets.

    • Andrew

      I agree, Skyler. As disappointed as I was in this game tonight, it is only one game. Nuggets fans need to take a deep breath here and keep occupied with a hobby or something until the next game. Ha ha. Having said that, I also agree with the following points discussed above:
      1) More playing time for Moz and Kouf.
      2) More time for Brewer than Rudy.
      3) More time for Faried when games look like this. At the very least he would bring in energy.
      4) Miller, and practically other player, looked like they were going through the motions.

  • Vitaliy

    The more I think about these losses where it genuinely looked like the Nuggets lacked passion and aggressiveness, I think this is exactly where we could have used Kenyon Martin. Normally, I did not like him much on the court, but when you have guys like Kaman and Landry have their way inside, you realize that the Nuggets do lack the toughness they need inside.

    When Nene was moved to PF this season, I really hoped that his size advantage at the position will lead him to take over games, but it still has not really happened and I don’t think it ever will.

  • Dubz

    Man, Charlie I appreciate the passion but those comments sound personal. This team is entitled to ONE bad game in 10. There’s obviously frustrating trends but there’s not need to call for the removal of certain players. (Other than Birdman he’s friggin terrible) We lost to the spurs on the road on the tail end of a back to back and then we lost to a poor team at home in the 6th game in 9 nights!! The world is going to end!!!! Haha, think you get my point. Keep your head up!!

    • Charlie

      Much appreciated Dubz, but I’m well aware of the “its just one game” excuse and unfortunately what I am seeing suggests there is more to this story than that. For one, this team lost at home while rested against a Hornets team missing two of it’s best players. Losing the game is one thing, there are tough games every year and losses just happen – I know that as well as anyone.

      The way Denver lost this game was shocking. It was incompetence top to bottom, reflecting poorly on the entire organization. I know every team lays an egg from time to time but not like this at home. You have to go back to the Iverson era to find a similar example. The real problem is I think more teams will figure out how to play the Nuggets and the inconsistency surrounding the lineups will continue to create big time problems in terms of winning games.

  • steve

    It is just one game guys but it definitely is a concern. It was the first unexcusable game. They just didnt show up to play AT HOME. They were way out of sink, either passing way to much or not passing at all and trying to go 1 on 1 especially Miller. Ive said since the beginning that small lineups wont beat good teams. Obviously, they might not beat bad teams especially when big man like Kaman is knocking down everything from mid range.

  • Ma$on

    I didn’t have a chance to see this game (thank god). Sounds abyssmal thought. However, please don’t give up on this team! Sounds like a game where we didn’t play hard and you know we need to play super hard every night to win any games in this league. If we are lazy on d, then we won’t be stealing the ball as much, which won’t turn into fastbreak points. I love having a team where speed is the strength, but games where we don’t come out running may look like this. But let’s take it with a grain of salt- here is a lesson learned early in the season and hopefully gk will have some more time to figure out a game plan of how to utilize players when the nugs as a team are looking flat footed. And also a way to make sure they are never looking this way again!

  • Trevor

    I firmly believe George Karl is 100% responsible for the Nuggets issues. Simple lineup adjustments could fix the rebounding, energy, and defense.

    By position minutes should be given as so:
    5) Kufos 20 mins/ Nene 20 mins/ Moz or Bird 8 mins
    4) Nene 12 mins/ Harrington 15 mins/ Faried 15 mins/ Gallo 6 mins
    3) Gallo 32 mins/ Harrington 9mins/ Carroll or Faried 5mins
    2) Afflalo 33 mins/ Brewer or Rudy 15 mins
    1) Lawson 38 mins/ Miller 10 mins

    The Nuggets despite the lack of a true post presence can and should play big for at least half the game. This lineup of Nene, Gallo, Afflalo, Miller/Rudy, Lawson garbage we have been seeing all the time has got me ready to write of the season.

    • steve

      as far as im concerned, ur just as bad as GK himself. You cant predetermine the in-game lineups pregame. Every team is different. Sometimes going small is great. The Lakers for example cant handle the small lineup alot of the time because they cant guard lawson and gasol cant keep up with harrington or gallo at PF. BUT sometimes we need to play big which is where our problem lies. He doesnt want to play KK or Moz at the end of games. He doesnt trust them. He is gonna have to if we keep losing games. AT 6-4, he will continue the road he’s going down until we really start losing. Yes our problem alot of the time is GK screwing up the lineups…but last night, it didnt matter. NOBODY was in sync. AA was missing wide open shots all over. Andre was out of control, Nene wouldnt bang, Harrington was in stupid foul trouble etc etc etc. All this isn’t on GK. Our boys need to come and play too.

      • Trevor

        The minutes are more of a guideline not a script to be followed. My blaming GK is not just for last night, it is for the same fundamental flaws in the Nuggets game he refuses to address. Everyone keeps saying we need Nene to play strong… He never has and never will. He is athletic and moves well but gives you none of things that a lead big man must like rebounding, protecting the rim, and inside scoring.
        Afflalo needs to step up his offense… I don’t expect much from AA scoring wise, he can attack the rim in transition and knock down 3’s. His game truly depends on the rest of the nuggets playing good defense and attacking on fast breaks.
        Andre Miller needs to make better decisions and defer to Lawson… Change Lawson to Roy and we sound like Portland the last 2 years lol. Miller is who he is and the Nugs could use less of him

        Our players are who they are. The only players on the roster who us as fans can expect to step up their game and make a difference for the Nugs is Lawson and Gallo. Faried is a possibility with playing time. Other than that I think GK has to put the right guys out there at the right time and not be afraid to develop our youngins at the expense of vets who bring little to nothing. Yes the players were awful last night but it holds a magnifying glass up to the whole team.

  • Ricardo

    Like I’ve been saying since the last few days, GK needs to play Koufos more minutes in games because of his rebounding and scoring. Brewer needs more playing time than Fernandez does, according to how they play on the court. And Faried should have played in crunch time last like he did in the Sacramento game. GK just have to learn to spread the minutes around according to how each player plays on the court and the impact they have on the team.

  • kitkat

    Read that we also lost to the Hornets at home last year (Jan.9, 2010). Maybe it’s one of those! Anyway, I was a Knick’s fan until the trade. First, I think that both our PGs are not seeing well who’s shooting hot. I remember Clyde Frazier (anouncer for the Knicks) would often tell give it to the guy who has a hot hand! This was obviously the case during the Spurs game during the 3rd quarter I believe. Gallo had 12 straight points when suddenly they stop giving it to him. Gallo is my favorite player but often he would pass the ball than taking the shots. I read in Chris Sheridan’s article that in Europe they play unselfishly, as evidenced in Gallo’s games. I hope that he takes more shots though because I think that it will really help him to be one of the go to guys. The years he was with the Knicks, we showed more passion playing the best teams. This is realljust about his third year, the first year playing only about 28 games with very little minutes coming from a back surgery. It’s was also why at first he was only a long range shooter even though in Europe he plays a lot in the rim too. Secondly, the team should have about 2 tall big guys inside. We couldn’t really defend well inside because GK has used a lot of small line up. I think it is unfair to have Gallo defend against Kaman and Okafor inside. The truth is we won’t know how goodMoz and Kosta if we don’t play them regularly. As for Brewer, I think that he can help the team given more minutes. Did you know that Gallo played PG when he was younger? Kevin Mckale and Greg Anthony mentioned before that maybe D’Anthoni can play him as a PG. That will be unique though.

  • Peter

    Very disappointing loss. I miss Kenyon, J.R., Wilson, and even Felton(the way Miller is playing right now). I don’t miss Melo though, he can keep racking up 30 and losing home games to Charlotte for all I care. Will he ever realize that one on 5 doesn’t win you games? Looking back I’m not so sure if I like the Miller-Felton trade any more. Miller is way older and a solid player, but he doesn’t fit into our run and gun style. I know Felton wanted to start, but what was he going to do? Pout on the bench? It’s a contract year for him, we should have kept him and traded him mid season if he was playing well we could have gotten more out of him than this washed up version of Andre Miller.

  • aussienuggzfan

    I know niether team would probably do this and Gallinari has looked not that bad but…

    LAKERS GET: Miller, Nene, Gallinari

    DENVER GET: Bynum, Walton/Metta/Any bad contract they want to give us, 1st round Pick from Dallas

    Lakers have a lineup of Miller, Kobe, Gallo, Nene, Pau

    Nuggz get a giant who rebounds, plays defense and scores with legit post moves. Makes room for Chandler’s return as a starter.

    I guess this is just a really bad trade idea that I really kinda like

  • aussienuggzfan

    HOUSTON GETS: Nene, Rudy Fernandez, Donte Greene

    DENVER GETS: Terrence Williams, Jordan Hill, Marcus Thornton, Hasheem Thabeet, Knicks 1st rounder from Houston

    SACRAMENTO GETS: Andre Miller, Kosta Koufos, Goran Dragic, Future 2nd rounder from Denver

  • aussienuggzfan

    This team is way worse than last year and that team was destined for an early playoff exit.
    JR> Rudy
    Chandler>>>Rudy/ Brewer
    Felton> Miller
    Kenyon.. whatever

    Time for some blockbuster trades, deal Miller, Bird, Rudy and Nene and maybe even Gallinari, not because he is bad, but Chandler has higher ceiling and he is a good trade piece to upgrade other positions of need. (Kinda like Rondo was not being shopped but he was involved in trade scenarios if the return is an upgrade)

    I have believed this all along, this one lost isn’t doomsday, it just reminds us that we might be a really good team but not good enough.

    This year should be about developing our young guys and trading away a few vets.

    The lottery is where we need to be to win. People are gonna argue that it all about luck and that they will just leave for bigger markets and this is somewhat true. BUT remember Melo was still here for 8 years and we were unable to build around him well enough. Also if you draft good character guys they are less likely to leave.

    We don’t really need the 1st pick but rather a top 10 pick, a guy like Jeremy Lamb or Andre Drummond would be my top choices.

    Its amazing our irrationally scared many Denver fans have become about the lottery since Melo left but look at OKC their best three players are all top 4 picks. You guys trust Masai’s drafting don’t you???

    While many of you are cheering for meaningless regular season wins, I’ll be cheering for more games like we just saw to show the bigger picture and bring us closer to guys like Jeremy Lamb.

  • Aaron

    Nene, Andre Miller To The Jazz

    Enes Kanter And 1st Round Pick To Denver.

    Next Trade.

    Birdman, The First Round Pick In 2014 From New York In The Melo Trade First Round Pick From Utah And Another First Round Pick To L.A.

    Andrew Bynum And 2nd Round Pick To Denver.

  • Thomas

    great reviews, charlie. i agree that there are too many stinkers in this roster who are getting way too many minutes and the line-ups are just terrible. unfortunately, the front office will keep GK through thick and thin and this team will be mediocre at best with him as a coach.

    someone said that GK has a man crush on miller – i think they are spot on. even worst is his man crush on fernandez, what did the dude do to deserve so much PT? why can’t he just let faried play? i mean, if you want to talk about mistakes, why let birdman in at all – instead of faried?

    if this was san antonio, faried would be playing some quality minutes and would reach his potential in a few years. dajuan blair has much less upside than faried and is a solid contributor for them – at pennies on the dollar!

  • Ricardo

    I think the problem is the coach, GK should play the players that deserves more minutes and sit the ones that are not playing well with the minutes that are given, like Fernandez. Faried and Brewer are two players that should play more minutes. Faried played pretty well in the Sacramento games having four blocks. If he would have matched with Landry, I think he would have blocked some of his shots he made. Brewer played well defensively in the San Antonio game taking charges.