Rapid Reaction: Denver Nuggets 118 Atlanta Hawks 117 (OT)

Atlanta Hawks 117 Final
Recap | Box Score
118 Denver Nuggets
Kenneth Faried, F 25 MIN | 3-6 FG | 2-4 FT | 9 REB | 1 AST | 8 PTS | -10

His numbers were solid and the foul trouble was kept at a minimum. However, you got a dstinct sense Faried was trying to avoid whistles as he was occasionally exposed against Josh Smith and the Hawks’ many perimeter scoring threats. Faried did do a great job running the floor and going after rebounds like he always does. You’d like to see him work on a shot that isn’t a dunk, but his pure hustle makes it easy to overlook a lot of the rookie-type flaws in his game.

Danilo Gallinari, SF 37 MIN | 6-13 FG | 6-7 FT | 3 REB | 0 AST | 19 PTS | +4

Hands down, that was one of the craziest game winners I’ve seen. Gallo is getting to the rim like he used to but the elevation and finishing ability just don’t look right. Karl finally realized Brewer does not need to be starting even with a half-functional Gallinari available, and Gallo responded with his usual “starter” numbers. Defensively Gallo was better than the rest of the Nuggets so it’s easy to crown him as the undisputed hero of tonight’s game.

Nene, C 39 MIN | 8-16 FG | 6-6 FT | 6 REB | 5 AST | 22 PTS | -3

This is a really tough grade to give, because Nene made the game winning free throws and after Josh Smith fouled out, he was far and away the best big on the floor. Unfortunately I cant overlook the fact Nene played soft against Smith, who flat out embarrassed him. The only thing worse than his late game defense was watching Nene settle for jumpers nine times out of ten against Zaza Pachulia. It was one of Nene’s best games of the year, but I’m left with a sour taste in my mouth trying to evaluate his overall night. That just… wasn’t good.

Arron Afflalo, SG 35 MIN | 3-10 FG | 0-0 FT | 4 REB | 3 AST | 7 PTS | -3

The leadership isn’t there. If the Denver Nuggets are going to fix their perimeter defense, it starts with Arron Afflalo. He is the only one capable of setting a good example. There are games where he’s clearly more concerned with getting his offense going rather than holding himself and his teammates accountable on defense. I could care less how many shots he takes — the Nuggets need more out of him from a leadership standpoint, because right now nobody cares about guarding the perimeter.

Ty Lawson, PG 35 MIN | 8-11 FG | 1-2 FT | 6 REB | 7 AST | 21 PTS | 0

Lawson’s early offense carried the Nuggets to a big lead, but his aggression seemed to be missing for a good part of the game. There’s no way you can complain about Lawson’s production, but he’s capable of a lot more. Lawson deferred to Andre Miller and Al Harrington way too much in the fourth quarter, and whether that’s a coaching decision or Ty’s refusal to demand the ball remains unknown.

Al Harrington, PF 30 MIN | 8-12 FG | 3-4 FT | 8 REB | 2 AST | 19 PTS | +15

Al Buckets was once again the steadiest player on the court for the Denver Nuggets. You know exactly what you’re getting out of Harrington and his production rarely wavers enough to call him out. The story of the game was the fact he was perhaps the most important Nuggets player in terms of containing Josh Smith, for nothing more than the simple fact Harrington forced Smith to play defense. Smith would later foul out of the game in OT.

Andre Miller, PG 21 MIN | 2-3 FG | 1-1 FT | 0 REB | 8 AST | 5 PTS | -3

My feelings on Miller are well-known, and it needs to be said right away Dre played his best individual game in weeks. He played probably about as well as he can play and was not in the game during the worst stretches, during which Denver really fell apart. The simple assessment I reach time and time again is only further affirmed by every game I see. When he comes into the game, Denver goes from a middling defensive team with potential to a terrible defensive team with no hope.

Corey Brewer, SF 18 MIN | 5-9 FG | 2-2 FT | 2 REB | 1 AST | 12 PTS | +3

Brewer thrived in a much more appropriate bench role. His production remained constant while his efficiency improved. It pretty much validates the fact Brewer is better suited to coming off the bench. The major problem I had with Brewer was his reach-in foul on Kirk Hinrich late in regulation. He just can’t seem to wrap his head around the fact you don’t need to go for a steal or deflection every single time you attempt to defend the ball.

Rudy Fernandez, SG 16 MIN | 2-5 FG | 0-0 FT | 4 REB | 3 AST | 5 PTS | +2

Not much was expected out of Rudy after missing the last 11 games, but he was a surprisingly effective spark off the bench in the first half. His minutes were carefully monitored and he was only used for short stretches, but Rudy had a net positive impact during his time on the floor.

Timofey Mozgov, C 9 MIN | 0-2 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 0 PTS | 0

Awful. Really tough to watch, and judging by Mozgov’s reaction to coming out of the game, he seemed to know it. The good news is he barely played and the Hawks fortunately weren’t capitalizing on Denver turnovers in the first half.

Five Things We Saw

  1. Late game lunacy: Atlanta had a foul to give on the play that ended up being Gallo’s incredible three. At the time, I wondered if Atlanta was making a mistake by not giving the foul. As it turned out, they defended it pretty much perfectly. Karl drew up a play to clear one side of the floor for Nene and Gallo. Lawson set a screen to free up Nene for the inbounds catch and immediately cleared to the weak side with Harrington and Afflalo. Gallo did a fantastic job realizing the Hawks were not doubling Nene on the catch. The Hawks had forced Nene to take Josh Smith off the dribble 18 feet from the basket, which they were clearly prepared to live with. Gallo was the only one in position to get the ball from Nene and he put the Hawks in a situation where they had to risk fouling him on a 3-point attempt. Atlanta forced the ball baseline and defended Gallo as well as you possibly can without giving up free throws. In that situation, Gallo reacted and made a very heads up play, a sharp contrast to the timid execution we’ve seen on other last-second attempts. It was a lucky shot, but credit Gallo for having the nerve to take it.
  2. Nuggets must do better job finding shooters: As usual, the Nuggets perimeter defense was weak. Anytime the ball was passed more than two times the Nuggets defenders did not know how to react. Rotations were slow and more often than not, never even took place after the second pass was made. The Nuggets seem prepared to deal with only two possible outcomes on every possession — the ball handler trying to score or a single pass to someone else trying to score. Once again, Andre Miller camped out in the lane as if he was the designated shot-blocking help. There is no rhyme or reason to the Nuggets’ current perimeter defense and it is not a coincidence teams shoot are shooting an insane percentage on jump shots against them. It’s fine to try to play at fast pace and force jumpers but there needs to be some sort of focus on contesting shots and preventing wide open looks.
  3. Disaster averted: Gallo might have saved the Nuggets on defense as well. On the Hawks final possession with 3.5 seconds left, the Nuggets left Zaza Pachulia a wide open lane in the middle. Had the pass been made a second later, or had Gallo not been able to recover in time to get a hand in Zaza’s face, the Hawks would have scored an uncontested wide open dunk to win the game. In fact, Pachulia had no excuse not to make that layup. I’m sure he was not prepared to get the ball in that situation and he clearly was expecting contact, but thank God he was not able to finish a shot that easy.
  • Omar

    I seriously need to stop watching nuggets games. My hair is going to turn grey by the end of the season.

  • Craig Binkley

    From a basketball standpoint,it was a entertaining game to watch. As a Nuggets fan, I realize that this game was inches away from being classified as a terrible collapse rather than a character win.

    • Charlie

      Coming back from the dead twice in one game is pretty impressive. When that much luck happens at once, it means you’re doing something right, at least on the effort side of the equation.

      I don’t think Denver deserved to win. In fact, what makes it so impressive is the fact they’ve managed to win 5 of the last 7 playing this sort of defense. It’s like a middle finger to the Basketball Gods and the right way of playing winning ball.

      • Alex

        Which probably isn’t the best thing since the bad defense will come up and bite em is the ass before too long.

      • lil rik

        Charlie,

        I disagree. My philosophy for years now has been that the team that wins deserves to win. This coming from a Yankee fan who watched the Bombers blow a 3-0 lead to the Sox. Boston won, and deserved to win. Any way you cut it, the Nuggets put themselves in a position to win and won. Did they recaive a little timely luck? Sure, but every team gets a little luck at some point in time. Nuggets “should” have beaten OKC – Ty should have leaned in off that pump fake and drawn the foul but he didn’t – the team that won deserved to win….

        IMHO

        • evan

          Wrap your head around this:
          Both teams deserved to win.

          -Both teams put them selves in position to win, and fought hard, and etc.. etc.. Only one comes out on top though…

    • Eddie

      Not win for the Nuggies. A loss for Kirk Hinrich.

  • melly

    I don’t know how Galliano managed to sink in that impossible 3… I wasn’t even holding my breath because I swore the shot would never stand a chance.. and then it proved me wrong. Another exhilarating fingernail biting hair ripping game.. I don’t mind wins like this.. but can we please save them for the playoffs. I rather win by a blow-out right now :D

    • melly

      *Gallinari .. sorry brain falling asleep ><

  • Steve K

    They were lucky to win this game…an understatement.
    But at least they were in it all the way and stayed focused. Cory Brewer and Galinari(lucky shot) won this game or at least saved it…for whatever thats worth.

  • magster

    It’s easy to bitch about ref’fing, but Pargo decking Nene when Gallo’s 3 was on its way, the out of bounds call at the end of OT, Lawson’s goaltend on a layup that would have not hit the rim, the foul on AAA when Johnson lost the ball…. just so many game changing calls it’s a shame a game could have been decided like that.

    Brewer did foul Hinrich. But otherwise, “ball don’t lie” on Hinrich’s free throw and the missed layup by Atlanta at the end of OT restored order in the universe.

  • http://www.verticallystripedsocks.com Craig Dodge

    The Nugs were super lucky to win this one, but they put themselves in position to do it. Combination of character, luck, and the fact that the Hawks out-boneheaded them. A legit contender is beating them in that game. Still, what a fun game to watch. Go Nugs!

  • GK4Prez

    Lawsome please start making the game winning layups. The team got lucky after he missed it tonight, but they weren’t so lucky against the Cavs.

  • Dubz

    I know Nene had a good game both on paper and in real life, but for heaven’s sake he needs to start dunking the ball. If I see him try to finger roll another shot while inside the paint, I’m gonna flip. I think he needs to lose 10-15 pounds and become the feared Nene that he was 3-4 years ago. This has nothing to do with age, he’s just lost that intensity. If he can restore some of his fire power, this team suddenly looks very very different.

    • TheWolfman

      I’m not sure that I agree that Nene was ever ‘feared’. I have always felt that nobody takes it hard to the rim softer than Nene.

      • Dubz

        Maybe “Feared” is a bit dramatic, but he was definitely one of the more dynamic centers in the league. Go on youtube and search “Nene dunks” and you’ll see what is missing in his game these days. He used to be much more aggressive and assertive on the offensive side of the floor. He’s playing waay to soft right now, and he has the ability to be a banger. He just chooses not to.

  • Alex

    With Corey Brewer if it wasn’t fir him going for the steal in the first place we would not even had a chance to win the game. I guess you take the good with the bad. And I love how much energy and emotion he brings to the game, probably gets more pumped up than the rest of the team besides Faried.

  • Landry

    Totally hating on Gallinari but my friend called the play to the dot. Totally was hoping for ty or afflalo but it is good to see GK trust his best scorer down the strech. Confidence is key for playoffs and personally I think every nugget should have experience of attempting a game winner.

    Great play call even after the monkey off his back last night. I hope to see Nene to be the next nugget because I don’t think i’ve ever seen him in the waning second of the game. Winning time is dependent on defending the paint so I hope to see him Either play Mozgov or Faried for rebounding because winners limit great teams to one shot.

  • Trevor

    I wonder if GK will keep Faried and Nene starting together and just bring Mozgov in off the bench.

    • Aaron

      I Hate To Say It But Misgoverning Kinds A Bust…I Actually Thought He’d Be a Really Good Big Man..is it Just Me Or is Every European Big Man A Bust?!?! They Just Never Pan Out in The NBA For Some Reason..

      • Aaron

        Mozgov***

  • magster

    Afflalo’s defense on Johnson saved the game in OT. Graded too harshly tonight.

    • ny nugs fan

      yeah bcse before afflalo checked him gallo was trying to stay in front of joe johnson and we could all see where that was going

  • al68

    La defensa otra vez muy deficiente, procupante falta de concentracion perdimos una comoda ventaja con 4 TO seguidos.
    Nos falta un lider en el campo que sepa dirigir el partido en los momentos dificiles, la inteligencia de este equipo es muy baja a pesar de no tener ya a JR y KM.

    Para mi hoy buena rotacion me gusta ver jugar menos a big Al pero mucho mas efectivo.

    Dificil año si no defendemos mucho mas.

    Lo mejor las ganas de ganar y la fe en el triunfo.

  • Kyle Obergfell

    AHHH COME ON!!!!
    Nene a B-?????
    Affalo a C???

    Hinrich makes a free throw and we do not win..
    Pachulia makes a jumper and we do not win..
    This game was lost by the Hawks as
    much as it was won by the Nuggets

    NENE IS SOFT soft SOFt soft soft
    (I wish I had smaller font)
    39 minutes, 22 points, 6 rebounds..
    NO OFFENSIVE REBOUNDS
    and a completely humiliating night on defense
    hilighted by an embarrassing drive and layup
    by Josh Smith who completely undressed him
    on the play and on the night..
    Smith had 33 points, 13 rebounds including 4 offensive boards
    and Pachulia had 5 offensive boards as well in his 13 boards..
    Did I mention Nene had 6 rebounds all night??
    Nene was used up like an East Colfax hooker tonight.
    He would have had to have 50 points to undo that
    display of femininity on defense. Unacceptable.
    Come on, you reward that with a B-???

    Affalo.. I am beside myself exasperated by him.
    He continues to get a pass here..
    when there is a seriously disturbing trend of shooting guards
    getting near career highs while he’s on the floor.
    This isn’t just a case of poor leadership and poor energy..
    he’s getting waxed just as bad as Nene..
    it’s not invisible. I actually see the 3′s draining left and right
    This is highlight reel stuff and Affalo is right there
    with the best seat in the house watching.
    And Magster.. about those heroics on defense..
    I don’t know if you noticed, but Johnson scored 34 points tonight..
    His season high.
    you know who.. had .. wait for it… 7 points.
    In 35 minutes.. no steals.. 4 rebounds.. 35 minutes..
    and … that’s .. what.. he.. contributed…
    oh yeah. that’s downright heroic. oh yeah.

    My grades for the two most expensive players on the team…
    Nene – D-
    Affalo – F

    • magster

      I said in Overtime, when Gallo and AAA switched assignments. Agree on Nene’s performance with you, but AAA got his act together on defense on those last 4-5 possessions

    • Thomas

      Totally agree.

      This team is a mess and the team has zero playoffs chance with Karl around.

      We could be pretty special with KK at center, Faried, Gallo and Ty. I’m not as down as you on AAA, but maybe you are right as he really doesn’t give us much on defense as Brewer. But it’s just not gonna happen with Karl.

      Watch next for Rudy to gobble up significant minutes and contribute nothing. He is Karl’s favorite player, right up there with Andre and Harrington.

  • Kyle Obergfell

    as I re-read the grades and the posts..
    suddenly it occurs to me.
    Nobody cares about defense.
    It’s all about offense.
    Which we have pretty much covered.
    Nuggets are the best in the NBA in scoring points.

    But defense..
    Only the Wizards and the Kings save us from being
    the most lowly defense in the league.

    I read someone talk about playoffs with tonights win.

    Seriously folks. 3rd worst defense in the NBA.
    somebody else said it better than I could here…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3-eavMSBnk

  • aussienuggzfan

    At least mention how Afflalo played almost flawless perimeter and inside defense on johnson at the end of the game. Johnson hit one ridiculous shot and got lucky with a soft foul, apart from that it was beautiful

    • Thomas

      You must be kidding, right. The old guy Johnson scored at will the whole night.

      Readers in this blog tend to judge players’ performance by one play. Defense is killing us and the culprits are the bigs that get more minutes. Yesterday, it was Harrington, Nene and Gallo. They played a combined 105 minutes and got, GASP, 1 offensive rebound.

      1 OFFENSIVE REBOUND!!!

      Put KK with Faried in there as soon as KK is healthly. Mixing in Faried with Nene won’t work as Nene negates Faried’s edge in rebounding.

      • Kyle Obergfell

        OMG.. thank you
        Yes, I am happy with the win..
        But count this as the luckiest one of the year.

        Does everyone think we can count on this every time???

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNAixWYxcAs

        Shocking stat re: rebounds

        Things are not ok.
        We lucked out beating a quality team.. but further..
        We are near 100% healthy.
        If this is supposed to be full strength….
        Not only do I not see any change in playoff destiny..
        It’s not out of the question to miss them entirely.

        Defense is a crisis right now.

  • Whimanji

    Nuggets got away with this one. Perimeter defense was horrid and it seems like every team and player is getting career nights against us. GK is not doing enough with the talent he has. Obviously he can’t motivate his team to compete on every possession. If this is how we are goin to win its going to be another 1 rd exit for us.

  • Andrew

    I enjoyed the win, but Atlanta is the same sort of “entertaining, but going nowhere in the playoffs” team that Denver is. That said, the Nuggets would be a lot better right now if Koufos were able to come back. Does anyone know how long he is going to be out for? Also, why didn’t Bird play at all last night? Is he hurt, as well?

  • jim

    i still can’t believe hinrich missed that last free throw. isn’t that guy like a 97% free throw shooter for his career?

    i can’t watch the games as they are played anymore. I just watch by the game flow feed on my phone. it’s easier to throw across the room out of frustration, disbelief, relief.

    best part of this win? it’s been fun to replay gallo’s three at the end while reading about melo wanting out or wanting “no d” antoni out of ny this morning.

    why is the defense so bad this year?

  • KW

    When Ty passed the ball BACKWARDS in the back court to ‘Dre…down 2 at home mid way thru Q4 I knew it was going to be a rough finish.

    ‘Dre needs to GO. Can’t J Stone make the same errors? He’s at least got some room for improvement. What we see from Dre is what we’re always going to see.

    AAA is a problem, he doesn’t know who he is….wants to be a scorer but we need him to play tough D.

  • Charles

    I remember early and healthy Nuggets should have been called the Bees… they swarmed the perimeter shooters and I could count down the 24 second clock to 3, 2, 1 and a missed jump shot. If an opponent hit a three pointer they he who did not guard left the game for a more able substitute. That’s when we killed the best. GK.. remember this and tell the team, with health, it’s defence or bench. Offense will take care of itself as long as they focus on wearing the other team out. There.

  • Ma$on

    We are pulling games out of our ass right now which is nerve wracking, but also good playoff practice. What is encouraging is that we have seen Lawson, aaa, and gallo make absolutely cold-blooded plays at the end of the game. That was an area of concern that we are exceeding expectations at. Now if we could just muster up some perimeter d…

  • Amel

    Is Koufos injured or is there any other reason why he didn’t play in the last few games?!

  • chris

    Props to Karl for some sensible rotations. Nobody over 39 minutes in an OT game is good, especially for the oldsters who I think are looking a little bit better since their minutes are reasonable now.

  • SmokinNugs

    Moz wasn’t good, but at least he’s back. With no 7 footers it seems like GK was going small ball a lot more. That forces us to double in the paint which allows wide open kick outs to shooters on the perimeter. Now that we have a 7 foot presence in the paint hopefully the need to double is gone so we can stay on the guys outside.

    Why can’t Nene rebound for shit? He is NOT a 5. He just can’t do it. Please get healthy 7 footers! Nene needs you!

  • Aaron

    I was very happy that A. Miller was not playing in crunch time since he did alot to lose us the Memphis game. I hope his minutes stay around 20 and not 30. AAA and Ty is a much better backcourt.

    Couldn’t agree more on the perimeter defense, . .but the problem is. . . Why is Brewer doubling down on inferior post players. why is Gallo cutting off Hinrich coming down the lane when Nene is there. The Nugs need to trust each other better and stop doubling guys who aren’t that good!!!! Stay home on the 3 point line!! This will really be important on Thursday when 2′s are much more acceptable than 3′s with Durant and Westbrook. Make them put the ball on the floor. . please don’t double team K. Perkins or Ibaka like we did on Williams and Smith.

    • SmokinNugs

      I forgot to mention that! No Dre was great! Its Ty’s team, let him run it

  • Ryan

    Can Nene PLEASE become the spokesman for Charmin Ultra Soft? That would be the best endorsement deal ever and keep me laughing for the rest of the time that Nene is in Denver (instead of throwing the remote at the TV whenever he plays). Even when he has a great game offensively, his lack of rebounding, any semblance of defense, and overall apathy easily obscure any positive impact he has on the game

    • Kyle Obergfell

      The Charmin man in the commercial was known as “Mr. Whipple”
      I think that would be a cute name for Nene..
      watch Mr. Whipple get taken out by the Hawks back up point guard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNAixWYxcAs

  • Daniel

    oh c’mon! did see AAA’s defense on Joe Johnson in the OT?? He just completely neutralized Johnson.
    that won us the game. Period.

    • Kyle Obergfell

      so we do agree.. that AAA is capable of playing defense.
      Does it not matter to you that 34 points had to be scored by his man before he chose to do this?
      Look at the trend all season.. Affalo is as weak as Nene is.
      Both were in a position to help the team..
      after the entire game.. in which they both let the team down.
      But Gallianari misses the three, or Hinrich and/or Pachulia make the easy shots..
      we glaringly get how and why AAA and Nene are doing way more
      harm than good. But Gallo glosses that over with his miracle shot.

      We have been treading water after one of the best season
      starts in Nuggets history. AAA and Nene are paid to be the
      best players, not the biggest liabilities.

      • Daniel Medeiros

        I agree with all you’ve said, just don’t agree with the grading. AAA struggled all game in both sides of the floor; he indeed had a bad game overall. but in the end he was big and crucial for the win. just like that.

      • evan

        OH NO! AAA didn’t LOCK DOWN one of the BEST scoring 2guards in the league! HE MUST SUCK…

        Even though he did it when it most mattered… he still sucks.

        Oh and re-watch the game. Most of his points were off switches and AAA wasn’t guarding him.

        WAIT AAA STILL SUCKS.

        Smdh…

        • Kyle Obergfell

          the game is 48 minutes my friend.
          if you suck for 95% of your time,
          but make a play or two 5% of the time..
          then yes.. you suck.
          and are lucky enough to fool a lot of gullible people,
          who have some outlandish idea you play this way intentionally.

          something tells me you have a couple of Broncos jerseys
          with #15 on them. And I’m not talking about BMarsh.

  • Frontrange

    Here is my question . .

    Check out the Manimal’s +/- stat over the past few games:

    SA: -2 / 29 min (Denver won by 5)
    SAC: -4 / 23 min (Denver won by 3)
    Clev: -7 / 20 min (Denver lost by 1)
    NO: -6 / 13 min (Denver won by 13)
    Men: -14 / 17 min (Denver lost by 3)
    Atl: -10 / 25 min (Denver won by 1)

    In the past six games when Denver went 4-2 and lost by a total of 4 pts in the other two games, Manimal’s +/- for the team when he was on the floor was negative 43 = losing by 16pts per 48 mins.

    I know it is addictive to watch him, but is there something else going on – i.e. fouls, defense, goal tends, picks, ball movement that is hurting the team?

    • evan

      +/- means nothing bro.

      • Joel

        I disagree. I’m not sure exactly what it means, but I do believe it indicates something toward winning. Durant’s +/- the first couple years was bad and he refined his game, and now he (and OKC) are monsters.

        If I were a coach, I’d use a bad +/- as a motivating factor (you better help us beat the other teams)

        • GK4Prez

          JR Swish usually led the Nuggets in +/- stats at the end of the year, so what makes you think GK is going to use it as a supportive stat?

          • Kyle Obergfell

            No.. it doesn’t work that way.
            +/- is not an individual stat,
            except in that it is how the score changes
            when that individual is in the game, and
            what happens along with the other 4 players.

            Say Koufos subs for Gallinari with Nugs up by 8.
            Say Affalo had been in while Gallo ripped away 10 points.
            Then Affalo misses 3 shots, turns over 3 times.
            And Clippers tie score up before the half.
            Koufos would be -10, even if he took no shots
            and grabbed 4 rebounds.

            That’s how that stat works. It does say something,
            but not conclusively. I do still like it though.
            And if JR did lead Nuggets in +/-
            Karl would never have been able to use him as an excuse
            NBA stats are compiled by 5 men combinations
            (I like JR, but I don’t believe this was true)

      • Frontrange

        Cept that the team with the best +/- wins.

      • Kyle Obergfell

        come on dude..
        are you serious again??

        if you are clueless about +/-
        it is a chemistry thing for all five on the floor

        it’s my favorite stat right behind offensive rebounds.
        Intangibles are for assholes.
        Let’s see some production.

        • Frontrange

          Dude . . I understand it exceptionally well.

          Basketball is a game with context driven statistical measures . . the point is that over a small but significant sample size, the Nuggets have played better without Faried on the court. In everyone of those games, he played important minutes since each one of those games was close the entire way (until 4th quarter of the NO game).

          Just because activities are not measured in box score stats does not mean they are intangible – intangible means that it is not possible to meaure.

          The meaning of +/- is that it captures activities that are not measured in the box score like proper rotations on defense, running the offense correctly, setting picks . . everything that goes on in a basketball game interaction between 10 players.

          While there is certainly a lot of noise in the stat as it is dependent on what ten players are doing at the same time, that does not make it meaningless. The question is how much data do you need before it means something and isn’t swamped by the noise.

          Take a moment to question your assumptions if evidence contradicts your assumed answer . . maybe there is something you are missing.

          • Frontrange

            Kyle,

            Sorry . . maybe that response wasn’t directed at me.

  • ny nugs fan

    a lot in this game still sticks out for me…like watching fernandez flop around on the floor in the 3rd….but what REALLY stuck out was that pass that miller whiffed on in the second quarter…reminded me of watching a play out of a pick up game by some old dudes at the Y