Denver Nuggets Big Board: Outliers

In Roundball Mining Company’s first Big Board of the year we covered six prospects likely to be available with the 20th pick in the Draft. The second installment of this series will explore more higher-rated prospects who shouldn’t, but may fall to the Nuggets first-round selection on Draft night. This is the Denver Nuggets Big Board: Outliers edition.

It is no secret: This Draft is deep. Through the first 40 picks talent will be abundant. Players who get drafted after the Nuggets first-round selection at 20 stand a good chance of being better than those who go 10 spots higher. Because the talent pool is so expansive, it’s much more difficult to project which players will land where. If a team falls in love with a player that another team had pegged going 5-10 spots lower, it could throw a major kink in the master plan of every team following that pick. Suddenly some players begin to slip while others rise. Some teams panic and some play it cool.

It’s the nature of any professional sports draft… but this year seems different.

This year there are roughly 10-15 players who many believe won’t escape the Lottery. After that it’s anyone’s guess as to which players fall where. Everyone likes to believe the Minnesota Timberwolves are after a shooting guard, but when David Kahn is at the helm, a point guard most executives had ranked as a second-round prospect is never really out of the question.

The point is, it’s impossible to predict how the Draft will play out. This year is especially perplexing.

Just as in our first Big Board article, the players covered below are strongly based on the Web’s most trusted Draft aficionados’ mock drafts, updated player rankings and projections. When certain prospects move up and down their boards, all I can do is respect their judgment and adjust my expectations accordingly.

These are the outliers of what many consider to be the elite group of prospects in the 2012 NBA Draft…

1. Perry Jones // Sophomore — Baylor // 6-11 // Power Forward

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Coming out of high school Perry Jones was touted as the next great physical specimen destined to play in the NBA.

He was the perfect player: great size, superior athleticism, versatile skill set, etc. Like LeBron James, he was the type of video-game athlete you’d construct to dominate in every aspect of the game. At one point he was even considered a possible No. 1 overall pick in the 2011 NBA Draft should he have declared.

Fast-forward to the conclusion of his sophomore season at Baylor and the perception of Jones has flipped nearly 180 degrees.

Instead of a praise and promise, he’s eliciting doubt and concern. Instead of being a potential No. 1 pick, people are wondering whether he’ll even get drafted in the Lottery.

No matter how you slice it, basketball fans across the globe are down on Jones for simply not living up to the lofty expectations the media created for him. Not expectations he placed upon himself; expectations he was given — without a choice.

Crazy, I know. But it happens all the time. Sadly.

No matter what side of the fence you’re on, the question still remains: Who is the real Perry Jones?

First and foremost, Jones is a good kid. People continue to rave about his easy-going, amiable personality and kind heart. He loves the game of basketball and has repeatedly stated how he’s trying to improve his questionable body language and on-court determination which scouts have questioned throughout his collegiate career.

Jones is an elite athlete. He’s muscular and explosive, yet graceful. He has a lengthy wingspan and near 40-inch maximum vertical. His has a great handle for a 6-11 power forward and can stretch the floor with his shooting. He also has an impressive post game and the ability to finish with authority around the rim.

Where Jones struggles, and where he’s gained his most ardent detractors, is with his consistency and motor. It’s not that he doesn’t care, he just appears unsure about how and where to assert himself. One game Jones is the best player on the court, the next he’s nowhere to be seen. In a tight game against BYU he put up 28 points, eight rebounds, four assists and three steals, only to turn around and post a four-point effort in 41 minutes of action in an overtime game against West Virginia.

Truth be told, Jones’ DNA probably resembles that of former Nugget, Nene. There’s a good chance he’ll never be the player everyone wants him to be, but if you accept him for who he is and refrain from setting unattainable expectations, you then won’t have to worry about disappointment. He’ll have explosive nights, and… let’s just say… less explosive nights. But when it’s all said and done, Jones will probably be known an effective, sometimes potent and always positive influence on his team(s) throughout his career.

However… unlike Nene, Jones is still brimming with potential. His book isn’t written yet. He’s still incredibly young and teeming with upside. If something just so happens to click, the Nuggets could have that franchise player they’re in desperate need of.

For a team drafting in the Top 10, Jones’ drawbacks are a legitimate concern; if he falls to 20, those concerns should fly out the window. At that point his upside should eclipse any possible trepidation the Nuggets have regarding his motor. Because the Nuggets have no glaring needs and are two deep at every position, Jones wouldn’t be pressured to step in and immediately save a franchise as would be expected if he went much higher.

Denver is the perfect fit for Perry Jones.

2. Jared Sullinger // Sophomore — Ohio State // 6-9 // Power Forward

Here’s how unpredictable this Draft is: Last night I had Moe Harkless in this spot. I even had a few paragraphs written for him. I had to erase everything. Today I have Jared Sullinger — a player I never even considered as a possibility for the Nuggets — in his spot.

This is weird.

On Monday doctors “red flagged” Sullinger for back issues stemming from excessively tight hamstrings. His agent and father have both openly acknowledged how Sullinger is aware of these issues and is taking the necessary steps to mitigate their long-term effects. Nevertheless, some teams have been advised to pass on Sullinger in the first round to due apprehension regarding the length of his career.

What may be terrible news for Hornets, Warriors or Portland fans is excellent news for Nuggets fans.

Sullinger is one of the best basketball players in the Draft. He may not be very athletic or imposing on defense, but he knows how to play the game and he knows how to play it well. He’s an outstanding post threat who scores in a multitude of different ways using his powerful lower frame to gain an advantageous position down low. An excellent shooter for a power forward, Sullinger has hit .519 percent of his shots from the field, .400 percent from beyond the arc and .768 percent from the free throw line this past season. He has great hands and a feathery-soft touch around the rim to pair with an intelligent, old-school utilization of the glass. In his two years at Ohio State, Sullinger has made steady strides on defense, averaging over a block and a steal per game during his sophomore campaign. He’s also an excellent rebounder and rarely turns the ball over for how often he handles it.

Sullinger didn’t fare well at the NBA Draft Combine in Chicago. This was expected; however, when juxtaposed alongside some of the best athletes in his class, he looked even worse than before. He excelled in virtually nothing and was consistently ranked as one of the worst prospects in terms of athletic ability alone.

Good thing the Combine isn’t too highly regarded these days.

When projecting how Sullinger will fare in the NBA detractors seem to perpetually point a finger at his below-average athleticism. While the argument may be valid, it’s worth noting these were likely the same critics who doubted Kevin Love, Zach Randolph, Luis Scola, David Lee and possibly even Dirk Nowitzki — just to name a few.

Elite athleticism is not a prerequisite to play in the NBA. Great basketball players are great basketball players no matter what their physical attributes suggest. Jared Sullinger isn’t DeAndre Jordan, but DeAndre Jordan isn’t Jared Sullinger either (thank goodness!).

Again, because of their depth the Nuggets can afford to take any possible “risks” associated with a guy as talented as Sullinger.

The last elite college player to get red flagged was DeJuan Blair. He dropped all the way to the 37th pick in the 2009 NBA Draft. His medical condition was far worse than Sullinger’s. Three years later he’s still in the league doing just fine.

Sullinger is a great fit for the Nuggets. He’s a potential post threat the Nuggets are in desperate need of and haven’t had in quite some time. In the unlikely event he drops to 20, fans should have the utmost amount of confidence that the Nuggets front office would make the right decision and strongly consider drafting him.

It would be the Ujiri thing to do.

3. Terrence Jones // Sophomore — Kentucky // 6-9 // Power Forward

When scouts look for athletic bodies that will have no problem adjusting to the NBA, they look for guys like Terrence Jones.

At 6-9, with a chiseled 250-pound frame and dynamite leaping abilities, Jones is just about everything you’d physically want from an NBA small/power forward. Something like LeBron James minus the catlike agility.

In addition to his muscular chassis Jones is built on versatility, defense and mobility.

He’s capable of locking down three to four positions on the floor and has excellent anticipation — evident by his 1.3 steals and 1.8 blocks per game this past season. His one-on-one defense is generally superb, not only inside the paint but near the perimeter as well. In his sophomore campaign Jones held his opponents to less than 38 percent shooting in the post and 27 percent on jump shots.

Unlike most prospects, Jones has no specialty when it comes to scoring the basketball. His offensive possessions were evenly distributed between post-ups, jumpers, transition baskets, put-back dunks and isolation plays. He’s solid in every aspect of the game and has no glaring weaknesses that project to hinder his success in the future.

There have been questions raised about his consistency and body language ever since arriving at Kentucky. While Jones continuously impressed with his intensity, it wasn’t always something you could count on. Jones would often sulk when things didn’t go his way. Occasionally, like the other Jones mentioned above, he’d vanish entirely from the game leaving his teammates scrambling to make up for his lack of production.

Even considering his attitude concerns I’m unsure sure as to why Jones isn’t more highly regarded. His risks are minimal and his potential is fairly promising. I could easily see Jones dropping to the late teens or early twenties only to end up with a far more accomplished career than many of the players selected before him.

Some classify Jones as a “tweener”; I classify him as “underrated.”

The Nuggets have fared pretty well with those types of guys lately.

I’ll could go for another.

Other outliers to consider:

Kendall Marshall – If Marshall slips to 20 I’ll be stunned. He seems like a sure-fire Lottery selection or a perfect fit for Dallas, at the very worst. If he is available when the Nuggets are slated to pick in the first round, I’ll lobby to select him as hard as any of the players mentioned above. He has spectacular court vision and understands what it truly means to run a team, a la Rajon Rondo. His athleticism is being entirely over analyzed.

Terrence Ross – One of the best athletes in the Draft, Ross was also one of the first players to work out for the Nuggets. Take it as you may, but in my eyes, if a team wants you to be the first person to work out for them, that’s saying something. It’s hard to imagine Ross getting past Minnesota at 18, but if he falls to 20 Nuggets fans might finally get the J.R. Smith they wanted the real J.R. Smith to always be.

Moe Harkless/Arnett Moultrie – Both of these players find themselves between a piece of gold and a hard place in our Big Board series. They probably should have appeared in our first Big Board, but I simply didn’t have the time or space to include them. Both have consistently hovered around where the Nuggets will select but neither has captivated me the way the other main prospects featured in this series have.

I really like Harkless. I think his game will translate well to the NBA. He’s got an incredible body for an 18 year old and has an enormous amount of potential. He reminds me a lot of Rudy Gay. With an improved jump shot he could be special. I would have no issues with the Nuggets selecting him at 20. I just like other players a little bit more.

Moultrie is different. I must admit up front that I didn’t get a chance to see him play this season, however I followed him through articles, highlights and analysis over the course of the year. I always liked what I heard and read, but I was never enthralled.

For a 21 year old, Moultrie is really raw. He has no mid-range game and his 3-point shooting percentage is pretty skewed (he only made eight all year). He has a flat shot and release that most NBA power forwards would have no problem blocking. Nearly all of his offense came off alley-oop dunks, put backs and cuts. This elevates his shooting percentage however on film he’s pretty unrefined in this aspect of the game.

Defensively he’s a mixed bag. His isolation numbers are strong, however he can’t seem to grasp the concept of rotations and often gets lost in the heat of his opponent’s scheme. He’s also had character questions, which are way different than motor concerns, and has displayed flat-out awful body language as a direct result of not receiving the ball when he wanted it.

If the Nuggets draft Moultrie I’ll be on board because I trust Ujiri. Nevertheless, I’ll still be pretty surprised if they take him ahead of the players mentioned in our first two Big Boards.

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  • Asdqqq

    Good post. I’d stay away from Perry Jones. He can’t play the 3 and is unwilling to play the 4 the way it needs to be played. Reminds me of Villanueva. Sullinger would be a good pick. Jones would be solid, but I think they can do better. Marshall would be a great pick, though I have him neck and neck with Teague. I don’t see anything special in Harkless or Moultrie. They are great athletes, but the league (and the d-league) are packed full of great athletes. We want great basketball players.

  • Slurm

    I’ve seen on Twitter people saying depending on what happens in the next few days Sullinger could drop to the 2nd round, not sure if thats true or not but if he does somehow drop to our pick that would be amazing. Low risk high reward for a 2nd round pick.

  • DAN

    Kalen, would you take all these players before the three from the first big board? Who is your favorite?

    • Kalen

      I’ll have a comprehensive Big Board up next week that will include all players covered in previous articles.

  • Duane

    Stay away from Terrance Jones…he is a headcase

  • Landry

    Are you guys going to do an end of the year grades for all of our players?? Just wondering because your draft coverage has been superb and I thought there was going to be an overall GPA that I wanted to know for all of players.. especially the MANIMAL!!!! Frankly I love Tony Worten Jr from Washington because he is a gifted passer/athlete and GK loves playmakers instead of relying on an Iso-Melo players but that just my own opinion.

    • Manimal

      I love tony wroten too

    • Kalen

      Maybe if we get some time after the Draft. Unfortunately we lost track of GPAs after we did midseason grades, so final grades wouldn’t depend on individual game grades.

  • Gary

    I got a response from NBA.com regarding broadcast of the Summer Leage games:

    Dear Gary,

    Thank you for contacting the National Basketball Association with your inquiry. NBA TV will televise all 60 games, including 39 live from both the Thomas & Mack Center and COX Pavilion. Games will also be available on digital platforms. Complete broadcast information will be released at a later date. Please visit NBA.com for more information.

    Two years ago, the League Pass Broadband Subscription was $15 for all Summer League games. I have my computer wired to my Big Screen now and can’t wait to watch the youngsters and Iske trying to prove themselves.

    • youngthegiant

      so it’s going to be free

      • Gary

        In accounting, if you already have NBA TV, I suppose getting something for something you’re already paying for would be called ‘sunk’ rather than ‘free’. I don’t have NBA TV; I have Dish and cancelled it. So, I’ll buy in on League Pass Broadband at a price to be determined later.

  • steve

    Great article. I would LOVE it if one of the Jones’s or Sullinger fell. I’ve been somewhat high on Moultrie as well but it’s died off some lately with having Nicholson rated over him. I’m torn on Marshall…I wouldn’t mind taking him but part of me thinks he won’t be anything special and can’t play alongside Ty.

    Someone is going to fall to us at 20, i can feel it!

    Btw KALEN – have you heard any LEGIT rumors about us trading up? Obviously trading Chandler is a hot topic everywhere for Nugs fans. Do you actually see something happening on draft day?

    • Kalen

      I search the Web every day and still havn’t heard anything about possible movement for the Nuggets. That said, keep in mind Ujiri has been fairly quiet with his transactions outside the Melo trade, but at the same time very active as well. I still wouldn’t rule anything out.

      • steve

        I’ve been searching as well! :) Thanks for the response.

        It doesn’t seem like teams want to move their picks since draft is so deep. I thought a team like the Rockets or Bucks would love to get Chandler since both could use an athletic wing to play alongside “i dont play defense” in Kevin Martin and Monta Ellis. lol

  • http://Denverstiffs.comSlader Richard Greenslade

    I’m not worried about drafting a PG, because if Dre walks I think our third PG should be an economical veteran FA.

    To get PJ3 at 20 would be a wonderful surprise. He may have consistency issues, but doesn’t seem like a head case.

    Don’t really know the other Jones well enough, but seems like a bit of a pouter. Talented, no doubt.

    I would jump on Terence Ross here ahead of everyone but PJ3.

    If Sullinger slides, do we really like him more than Nicholson, who has a similar skill set and is longer and healthier?

  • Manimal

    Great post kalen. Perry jones would be a great fit in Denver with our fast pace. He is my dream pick at 20 but I’d be happy with plenty of guys in this draft

  • Zack

    I hope Perry Jones III falls to us at 20. If he would have declared for last years draft he would have been a top 5 pick. At 20, he has the potential to be an all-star caliber player. He could be a bust, but if he works on his motor (I’d draft him then tell him to workout all summer with Manimal) he could become a special player and one of the best to come out of this draft.

    He would be a risk, but at 20 you won’t really draft someone who isn’t at least somewhat risky. I want this guy who has a high ceiling.

  • steve

    Realistically i think Sullinger Harkless and Marshall have the best chances of falling to the Nugs. I have a sneaky feeling that the Hornets are going to draft Perry Jones at 10 but don’t see him sliding past 76ers at 15. 76ers NEED athleticsm. Terrence Jones only – is his body language. He can do everything well, just not great. But he’s a tremendous athlete and teams will draft him. I think he goes top 12. Love Ross, but like everyone says, dont see him falling past 18 with Minny. Rumors have it Moultrie might be Detroits pick at 9 and that’s why he didn’t work out at combine. I think that’s high for him but wouldnt mind because another big should fall.

    • Poz_303

      Agree, rumors are that Moultrie will go to Detroit. I was high on Moultrie to start with and thought he would suite Nuggets pace of play but now like Nicholson better (thanks to Kalen and his insight) but seems he is catching many team’s eye now. Also read that Nuggets are looking for a back-up PG but that could happen in 2nd round too.

      This is a deep draft and seems like no one can quite predict who will go where.

  • bayesk

    not to pick nits, Kalen, but i think the numbers you meant to list for sullinger should be – in the case of FT% – 76.8 percent, not .768 percent. i can’t believe i’m even bringing this up…

    • Kalen

      No I actually appreciate it. I’m still not exactly sure how to write percentages. You’re right in that you’d think it would be 76.8, but ESPN lists all their percentages with the decimal in the very front, so that’s what I go off.

  • Guy

    With Sullinger I worry that he’s another Corliss Williamson or Danny Fortson. He is a good basketball player but does he fit the Nuggets style??. In my case tight hamstrings meant I had a herniated disc in my back and I had back surgery. Since then I’ve been fine but I’m not a world class athlete. If he fell into the very late first or early second round I would trade up to get him in a heart beat.
    I would feel more comfortable taking PJ3 at #20 if we moved up to 6,7, or 8 and took Lamb, Waiters or my favorite Lillaird. I saw PJ3 quite alot this year and never was very impressed. The athletic ability and skill is there but you can’t teach tenacity and motor, either you have it or you don’t and I don’t see it in PJ3. Of the players you have listed I like Harkless and Ross the best although I don’t think Ross will be there at #20.

  • al68

    Creo que sullinger seria una gran eleccion no se su condicion fisica pero le veo un gran jugador podria convertirse el titular en 2 años.

    Los dos partidos que he visto de Jones me parece un vago y dificil de hacerle trabajar me parece mucho riesgo.

    Para mi las opciones serian
    1 sullinger
    2 t ross
    3 d waiters
    4 taylor

  • Duuuuuuuude

    Out of the three Kalen lists here I would prefer:
    1. Sullinger – for his inside out game and rebounding. He would bring a presence to the team that we don’t have on the block which would be massive for us in games where we can’t control the tempo and need to score in the half court. His injury doesn’t bother me as much as his D but we have a trio of 7 footers at centre to cope with that side of things (in theory). Play him from the bench from day one.
    2. Terrence Jones – I have a feeling this guy will be Josh Smith lite and was actually tempted to put him above Sullinger – it’s Sullinger’s potential to be Kevin Love lite coupled with our needs which forced me to list him second. He can defend 4 positions, gets steals and blocks shots, can slash to the rim, get easy buckets and pass. He will most probably shoot the jumper too much (ala Josh Smith) and will probably disappear in games at times (ala Josh Smith) and lacks a serious post game (alaish Josh Smith). I would take a fly if I didn’t think Sullinger fits our needs more.
    3. PJ III – Kendall Marshall recently ran one of the fastest times at the combine, Jose Calderon can dunk from a standing position, and PJ is 6 foot 11 and an athletic freak but plays like he’s 6foot 2 and 100 lbs. It doesn’t matter what you look like/ what athleticism you have off court – it’s what’s on court that counts. Neither Marshall nor Calderon are athletic PG’s and PJ is not a good SF/PF. Wouldn’t go near for love nor money.

  • Sky67

    IMO the nuggets should draft Quincy Miller he smooth and reminds me of a poormans Kevin Durant. He has a good midrange game and I think he could take over for al harrington as the scoring combo forward on the wing. Also according to the Denver post Ty Lawson wants ujiri to draft him.

    • Duuuuuuuude

      Quincy Miller is seriously being overlooked. Depending on how draft night goes if we draft him I’d be happy; assuming we trade Chandler that is.

  • steve

    supposely Rockets have a deal with a team that would send Dalembert and the 16th pick. Nobody is saying who the other team is…

    Could this be the Nuggets? Obviously it could be anyone. But Salaries match up with Chandler and Dalembert. Dalembert has a team option for this year and then his contract expires.

    • ThomasDenverFan

      I don’t know about this.i mean he does.have defensive stills but i think that would leave more moves to.clear space for the rookies . i am not sure if i like it or not. i think he might be good to have to teach some of he young big men how to set a dam screen hard not soft but hey it could be us.

      • Asdqqq

        Dalembert’s contract is mostly not guaranteed, so he’d probably be waived. It would be Chandler for 16. I think the Nuggets would hold out for more than that.

        • AnotherAusNugget

          The trade being Chandler effectively for 16 straight up could be OK in this draft. Chandler expendable. Allows us with 16 and 20 to get a 2 (faller out of lamb, rivers, waiters and ross) and a 4 (nicholson, moultire, white, sullinger.

          • steve

            im sure we would keep dalembert for the season. He would provide awesome depth and honestly expiring deals are always nice to have. We could spin him to a contender at the trade deadline, heck maybe even for a 1st pick. His salary is 6.7 mill for next year and he’s still a good player. someone will want him.

  • aussienuggzfan

    QUINCY MILLER

    LAWSON WANTS HIM, HE WANTS TO BE HERE
    I WANT HIM

    QUINCY MILLER is the star potential we need

  • Kenneth

    I can’t believe how popular George Karl and the nuggets fast pace has made the nuggets a sought after landing spot for so many of the draft prospects. Young players love to run around and shoot and use their athleticism rather than half court sets. That’s if they get minutes of course

  • http://roundballminingcompany.com Mark from Charlotte

    DRAFT QUINCY MILLER

    • Manimal

      YES!

    • ThomasDenverFan

      Fully agree with him.being our pick alt of potential would love this pick

  • finazzaus

    i have been looking at the nuggets current roster situation and i think there is no choice but to trade/amnesty harrington and anderson.
    the nuggets current roster stands as
    PG- Lawson (2.5) stone (.8)
    SG- AAA (7.5) hamilton (1.1)
    SF- Gallo (9.5) brewer (3.2)
    PF- Faired (1.4) harrington (6.7)
    C- Mcgee (10) mozgov (2.7) KK (3) Anderson (4.5)
    i have taken the libity of removing miller, rudy and chandler. all if which i think everyone knows are not coming back. i have also put mcgee at 10mill (hopefully max amount he will get)

    that puts us at 52.9 mill with 4 spots to fill and a cap of 58mill (by all reports it will stay the same). we will have to pay 1.2 to our 20th pick in this years draft, so now we are at 54.1mill and a min 2 spots to fill, it doesnt leave much to sign a player of any value to the team.

    if we take off both andersons and harringtons contacts we clear up 11.2mill and now puts us at 42.9mill and 15mill for 4 plays.

    to me there is not other option but to let them go.

    • Poz_303

      Not sure why you say Chandler is not coming back when he signed a 5 year deal with the Nuggets. Are you assuming he will be traded?

      Also, the soft cap will be around 58 Million but Luxury tax cap is going to be around the 70 Million or so. You can re-sign your own players and exceed the soft cap. Additionally Denver has a 13 Million trade exception for the Nene trade to Wizards. heck, you could spend 85 Million like Lakers and Celtics if you want but the luxury tax is going to hurt more now than in previous years.

      I dont think they move Harrington. GK likes him and he was huge for Nuggets last season. Plus even if we draft a young PF, need a veteran to teach him.

      I hope they do anything to move Birdman (Amnesty mostly likely).

    • Manimal

      Um that’s a pretty big damn assumption to assume chandler who just signed a long term deal will not be coming back. That’s pretty irresponsible

      • FinazzAus

        Irresponsible????
        I can tell you he will not be in a nuggets uniform opening night.

        Irresponsible?
        It’s almost the worst kept secret he will be the main part of a trade. If you keep him on your roster you will have no room to sign Lawson next year.

  • MileHigh

    The way I see it, judging Chandler on the 8 games he played this season is pointless; coming back from China where he played against a very different level of competition, into the Nuggets system where they were still trying to figure things out after Gallo went down, there is bound to be an adjustment period. He was decent overall, maybe didn’t live up to the hype that he would immediately start winning us games, but for his price (around the same as Afflalo I think), there’s no legitimate reason to trade him. Given an offseason to rehab and train with the other guys, he should be a top 3 or 4 player on the team provided he stays healthy. And that’s ok with me for the 8 or so mil he’s being paid.

  • Peter

    As much as I like Sullinger’s offensive game. He is a liability on defense. It has been proven that defense is what wins in the playoffs and when the Nuggets reached the west finals a few years ago their defense was not talked about enough. I hope Dallas takes Marshall because if they don’t you know George will want him because of his carolina connection. He can’t guard anybody. We need an athletic big or a 2 guard that can stroke it, those are our team needs. If Quincey Miller is still around, I could see us taking a chance on him, I haven’t heard if Massai is high on him or not. He’s one of the hardest players to project because of his injury and his sub-par season. If everything goes right for him he could become an all-star. It would be cool if we got him and he ended up going head to head with Durant in games, that would be a lot of fun.