Roundball Roundtable: The 2012 NBA Draft

The 2012 NBA Draft is in the books. It was a wild and unpredictable night with twists and turns nobody could have expected. In the end the Nuggets kept all three picks, selecting Evan Fournier at 20, Quincy Miller at 38 and Izzet Turkyilmaz at 50. Detailed analysis of each player will be posted in the coming days, but first, our writers’ initial reaction to the 2012 NBA Draft from the Nuggets’ point of view.

Kalen:

To describe the gamut of emotions I felt on draft night is about as difficult as pronouncing the names of the Nuggets final second-round selections in each of the past two drafts… in pig latin… with peanut butter attached to the roof or your mouth.

I was nervous, excited, devastated, enlightened, confused and humbled all within about a five-hour period.

It all started with the 16th pick when the Rockets selected Royce White roughly five spots higher than most draft analysts had him pegged and intensified exponentially when Andrew Nicholson was taken off the board just one spot before the Nuggets selected.

Had the Magic not drafted Nicholson, my nervous likely would have never fully recuperated from the savage beating they would have endured leading up to the Nuggets selection. Though Ujiri may never divulge his draft strategy, I still firmly believe the Nuggets would have taken Nicholson if available.

As fate would have it, my first and most “realistic” options for the Nuggets actually fell off the board before guys like Jared Sullinger and Perry Jones, whom, at the start of this past season, I never thought in a million years would be available at 20.

The Nuggets selected neither of those players. Instead they took the one and only European player in the entire first round of the Draft — someone I didn’t have the opportunity to watch in a full game this past year.

More than anything, the Fournier pick scared me. He was someone I hadn’t really seen before and now he was leapfrogging guys I’d invested countless hours scouting at the NCAA level, which to me made no sense.

I have no problem admitting: I overreacted. I didn’t understand what happened. I was totally invested in my own little world of the players I loved, the players I coveted, without acknowledging the fact that Masai Ujiri — perhaps the best general manager in the NBA — was the one who selected him. He was the one who put the time, the energy, the resourcefulness, into examining these players. The amount of information he knows, about every one of the players in this draft, as apposed to what I do is beyond disparate.

Eventually I would cool, become elated with the Quincy Miller pick, then equally as dumbfounded by the “some dude” selection — also known as Izzet Turkyilmaz — and in the end, left perplexed by what had just unfolded.

Again, describing how I felt when the Draft concluded is impossible, because I had never felt that way. I was a feeling of extreme subdued confusion. I was lost.

Had I not talked to someone extremely plugged into the NBA Draft circuit who assured me the Nuggets draft was far from bad, I’d probably still be dizzy and riding some kind of high horse I don’t deserve to mount in the first place. Yeah, I watched a lot of basketball, took notes, read countless scouting reports and had my hands on everything draft related that I could find — but I made one crucial mistake: I excluded Evan Fournier, partly (mostly) because I couldn’t watch his games and party because he was the only Euro slated to be drafted in the first round. Not once did I come across a mock draft that had him going to the Nuggets, and plus, what were the odds that in such a deep draft with one legitimate Euro, that the Nuggets would actually select him?

Apparently a lot better than I anticipated.

So I’ve stepped back from the ledge. In a way I’ve had a little bit of an epiphany (thanks to the source mentioned above). In it, this is what I realized:

This is Masai freaking Ujiri we’re talking about here!!! Perhaps the best general manager in the league! Hasn’t he earned our trust by now? Hasn’t he earned the right to make a single decision without being lambasted and questioned as if he were a fraud? Had this been David Kahn or Michael Jordan, I could understand the outrage, but it isn’t! It’s not even close, in fact! The man who made the call to Evan Fournier on Thursday night is, as I recently put, a cold-blooded assassin! In all likelihood this pick will turn out to be one of the best in the entire Draft, knowing Ujiri, and yet we still have the nerve to doubt him as if we know any better?

Had Ujiri selected Quincy Miller at 20 and Evan Fournier at 38 everybody would once again be praising Ujiri’s brilliance and ability to rob other teams of talented players in the draft. Truth be told, most analysts had Miller and Fournier in roughly the same tier of players anyhow. Both Chad Ford and Draft Express had Fournier going 23 to the Hawks in their final mock drafts, ahead of Quincy Miller mind you, and in Draft Express’ final list of the Top 100 prospects, Miller and Fournier appear side by side at 19 and 20, just behind No. 4 overall pick, Dion Waiters.

The overreaction on Twitter following the Fournier selection (and I’m as guilty as anyone) is an extraordinary microcosm of the fickle and short-sighted nature of the modern-day sports fan; however, I’d argue it’s nothing to hang your head over. It shows we care. It shows we want nothing more than to be the best. In this day and age fans are as plugged in to the inner workings of front offices as ever before (which still isn’t saying too much). They do a fair amount of research themselves and often times know what they’re talking about.

But Masai Ujiri is a different breed.

If there’s one thing I learned tonight, it’s that no matter what, we never know as much as guys like Masai Ujiri.

Trust him, Nuggets fans. He deserves it.

Jeremy:

The Denver Nuggets 2012 NBA Draft was about two factors: the current roster and potential. As I wrote in my Nuggets draft options post, the Nuggets have a full house. There are 12 players under contract for the 2012-13 season and that does not include free agents JaVale McGee, Rudy Fernandez or Andre Miller. I do not expect Rudy or Miller to be back, but Denver is certainly planning on retaining McGee and Karl was quoted in the Denver Post saying he wants Miller to return. Even if Chris Andersen is not in the team’s plans, he is still under contract. In order to add three rookies, Denver would have to dump one or two players from last year’s team and completely sit out free agency.

With three picks and a full roster Denver had no choice but to draft at least one player to keep overseas. The fact Denver drafted two international players should have been no surprise.

If you want to debate whether or not Masai Ujiri maxed out the value of their picks, fine, we can do that. The problem is none of us are qualified to do so. Until tonight, I had never watched Evan Fournier play. I had seen his name and read a little bit about him, but am I in a position to say Ujiri blew the pick? Just because there were players I was more familiar with available does not mean the selection was the abomination many fans proclaimed it to be.

I know readers come here for opinions and insight, but I cannot honestly say that the Fournier pick was wrong. My initial reaction was one of disappointment because there were two or three players I was hoping the Nuggets would draft at number 20, and despite the fact the Nuggets worked Fournier out, I never really considered him an option with that pick. Once the shock and surprise wore off, it began to make sense.

Again, referring to my draft options post I implored the Nuggets to take a risk with their 20th pick. Usually at that point in the draft you are praying to nab a player good enough to crack the rotation. The problem is there’s no room in Denver for another, merely decent player. The chances of any player drafted there being good enough to break into the rotation this season was remote at best, regardless of who is coach. The only way that pick would provide a significant boost to the Nuggets is if that player had the potential to one day become the best player on the roster.

I believe that is the philosophy Denver followed. Fournier may never even play significant minutes for Denver, but I do not think the Nuggets draft him unless they believe he has the potential to be a fantastic player. They may be wrong and maybe Jared Sullinger will be an All-Star some day (I have seen enough of him to seriously doubt that, but still), as long as they believe Fournier is the guy with the best combination of potential and likelihood of reaching that potential, I am content knowing they followed the correct philosophy.

Another thing to keep in mind is the depth of the draft allowed them to take a risk with their first pick. Most pundits believed that this draft had 40 quality players and with Denver sitting at 38, they knew even if they passed on some quality players at 20 to take a project, they were going to get a player worthy of a spot in training camp with their second pick. As luck would have it, they were right. There were several good prospects available.

I was open about my affection for Quincy Miller. This was the pick that made the draft for me and again, like Fournier, Miller is a player oozing with potential.  As long as Denver hits with one of them, in two or three seasons they will be much better off. If they manage to hit on both, we can start talking about the Nuggets as a true contender.

The quest for potential continued with the selection of Izzet Turkyilmaz. I believe Ujiri concluded he was the highest potential (international) player on the board. Sure there were solid domestic players still available, but would you rather Denver draft a player from college who is just going to be released prior to the start of the season because there is no room on the roster for him anyways, or do you want them swinging for the fences with a player who could one day become something? Sure the chances are certainly slim that Turkyilmaz (How come so many people from Turkey actually have the work Turk in their name?  It is like my name being Jeremy Wagermaner.) ever plays for Denver, but even if the chances of him contributing are 5 percent (or 1.2 percent), it is still more likely that he pays off than drafting a player who has a zero percent chance of sticking.

I understand many fans are frustrated with the Nuggets’ draft, but there was sound logic and planning behind each of Denver’s three picks. Based on all the factors they were dealing with, I really think they did a fantastic job.

Denver’s No. 1 need is a star player, or at least another borderline All-Star who can help raise the team to the next level. Ujiri did his best to address that need by seeking out players possessing tremendous upside potential with all three picks.

Charlie:

With literally no pressing needs to address in the draft, the Nuggets started their night with the freedom to go in a number of different directions. My initial thought was that they could afford to get a little bit risky, especially with a deep roster of role players that makes them a mid-tier playoff team at best. The Nuggets are so young with so much growing to do, they wouldn’t be much worse off shuffling around a few pieces to swing for the fences on a guy that can help right away and potentially become something special down the line. Those are the types of players that fit what the Nuggets have going right now, no matter how much they want to believe the Andre Millers of the world will vault them into contention.

On the other hand, there is an equally compelling argument that the Nuggets already have too much youth on their plate and not enough room to see another risky move. George Karl has a well-documented track record of marginalizing even the most NBA-ready talent when it comes to rookies. While conventional wisdom says you don’t get game-changing rookies in the 20’s, Masai Ujiri proved you can give Karl a legitimate Rookie of the Year candidate and watch him sit out half the season for no real reason at all. As Benjamin Hochman noted several times leading up to the draft, the inherent risk of a first-round pick combined with the virtual guarantee Karl won’t play the guy, essentially ensures a bold draft day move isn’t likely to pay off anytime soon.

The Nuggets are in a unique situation because they are trying to win now. They certainly don’t have the luxury of welcoming a promising prospect into a no-pressure environment to learn on the job.  Still, it’s the GM’s responsibility to build a long-term plan and keep the championship goal at the forefront. There are times to be bold and take risks where conventional wisdom says you shouldn’t. Last year was a prime example, with Masai Ujiri drafting two lottery-type talents he has since described as cornerstones of the Nuggets future.

Ujiri had to pull a major overhaul, plus downgrade the Nuggets skill level and overall talent, just to get Faried’s development going. Hamilton meanwhile spent the first year of his rookie deal on the bench and his failed stint in the D-League proved his potential future with the team is as cloudy as it was on draft night one year ago. Considering all the work still to do with Hamilton, I understand why the Nuggets essentially opted out of their first-round picked and deferred the decision for later by selecting Fournier. They already had their first-round talent to evaluate this year in Jordan Hamilton.

By going the risk-averse route, Ujiri proved he’s willing to be patient and see through the plan set in motion during last year’s draft. Still, the Nuggets are in need of talent and can’t let an opportunity like the draft pass without adding someone they can start developing on the practice court. Enter Quincy Miller and in my mind, this year’s version of Jordan Hamilton. By stealing Miller in the second round, the Nuggets avoid the problem of spending another first-round pick for a guy Karl will have permanently glued to the bench. Expect Miller to get a contract similar to the four years, $3.9 million DeJuan Blair got from Spurs in 2009 (San Antonio used a portion of their midlevel exception to do this, and I expect Denver does the same). Ujiri once again turned conventional wisdom on its head and got a first-round talent while completely ignoring the nasty risk that scared Denver out of the first round to begin with. To me, Miller’s the real prize of the draft and someone the Nuggets are going to pour their heart and soul into developing going forward.

Evan Fournier is the big unknown of this draft, and to be honest I don’t know what to think. He’s been described as a shooter and slasher, but is so raw it’s literally impossible to predict how he fits into the Nuggets future. Sure, there may be a chance he becomes the next Manu Ginobili, but I think there’s an equal chance he never suits up in a Nuggets uniform. As of now, he’s a draft and stash asset and not much more until he proves something in his overseas career. Like Ginobili, I expect him to spend at least two years proving he was actually worth the 20th pick before the Nuggets decide to bring him over. As we all know, Ujiri has a global eye for scouting and at the very least he parlayed a first round pick into a flexible asset going forward. This draft was all about cap flexibility and risk management, and with a little bit of creative financing and fancy maneuvering, Ujiri has managed to maximize both.

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Kalen Deremo

Kalen was born in Durango, CO, in 1988 and graduated from Metropolitan State University of Denver in 2013 with a degree in journalism. He's now an itinerant hoping to travel as much as possible before eventually succumbing to the "real world." Aside from writing Kalen likes movies, music, spicy food and the great outdoors. Edward Abbey is his current idol.
  • http://nugznazty.wordpress.com/ owen

    jham’s d-league stint was a failure? how ya figure?

    • Charlie

      He did not want to be there and it clearly showed. Not only did it do absolutely nothing for his development, it probably showed why he slipped a bit in the draft after Hamilton called out his D-League teammates for taking too many shots and not sharing the ball.

      I do not mean to say J Ham’s rookie year was a failure, but he really did almost nothing. He’s in the same boat as Julyan Stone. We really don’t know much more about them now than we did a year ago. Stone is a developmental guy they can bring along slowly. On the other hand, Faried shows you how valuable a first round pick can be and why you don’t want to waste one on a benchwarmer

      • Ryan

        A good portion of that falls on Karl though. There were numerous times last season where I thought he could have got Stone and Hamilton some meaningful minutes. Even Faried only got to play when the front office stepped in and traded Nene. As long as GK is in charge, treating the rookies like they have leprosy, it’s gonna be tough to develop young players

      • Bryan

        I don’t think the D-league does anything to develop talent. There’s a reason teams would rather stash guys in Europe than develop through the development league.

        I think the Clippers game where he was benched in favor of the trust lineup that blew the lead his hot hand helped create, and the next game where he didn’t have it probably helped him. It showed he could perform at the NBA level, and what not to do after a good game.

  • Gary

    All the 20 pick got fans is the BPA without taking on guarnteed salary. The Nuggets conned us one more time. They put together a team that can keep the Pepsi center nearly full. Not a team that will win a Championship. All this FO knows is Discount Retail and you got a discount pick who will only wear a complementary Nuggets Jersey in rememberance of the 2012 Draft

  • Thomas

    Debating the Nuggets draft is of minor importance when your coach is GK, unless we are lucky enough to have the injury bug hit several starters like last year. If it weren’t for that, Faried would have been relegated to the pine all year, just like Jham. That’s a fact.

    It’s silly to keep using this “if Masai did it, it must be gold” argument. He’s done dumb things too and he is still relatively inexperienced. His biggest shortcoming, in my view, is that he has an international background and because of this seems to be somewhat biased towards drafting international players.

    Agree with the opinion that the FO only puts together teams that can fill seats, not contend.

    The system and pieces we have in place will NEVER lead to title aspirations. Coach Karl’s “concepts” and development of young players are two things that will never coexist.

  • tony

    biggest let down….taking a frenchman ahead of sullinger/melo/jenkins/jones III/teague. wow, just wow is all i can say.

  • tony

    2 foreign players that will never wear the nuggets jersey let alone set foot on an NBA court

  • DenverTerp35

    I am happy with Quincy and Fournier. Although, at 20 I would have preferred Sully or Perry, Fournier would have been my 3rd pick given who was available at the time. I think he could thrive in our system and could be a deadly long range shooter that Lawson can dish to. Quincy will be a good asset off the bench. The one Im not thrilled with is the Turkish guy, I saw somewhere that he only averaged 2ppg in Turkey? I understand he may have potential but I feel like there are better players out there that worked hard in college and put up better numbers. But this is why Im just a fan and not the GM, I trust Masai. I just hope we dont stash Fournier overseas, I think he could make an immediate impact for us. Go Nuggets!

    • Ricardo

      There is an article that talks about Fournier and in part it said:
      “He certainly doesn’t want to be back in Europe. Unlike many internationals who stay overseas after being drafted, Fournier can’t wait to move.”

      http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8099316/evan-fournier-not-necessarily-surprising-dearth-foreign-prospects-2012-nba-draft

      According to this article, I don’t think Fournier is going to be stashed overseas, but I think the nuggets may sent him to the D-League for further development.

      • steve

        I read the same article. Problem is, even if we stash him in dleague he still takes a roster spot i believe. I think our GM will have big time talks with Fournier and convince him to stay 1 more year in europe. By that time Brewer’s and Mozgov’s contracts will be up and we could possibly buyout Al for much cheaper. I think Fournier would rather stay in Euro and play than come over and ride the bench for a year and waste a year of his contract.

  • Ernie

    I was more disappointed there wasn’t a trade. The Nuggets are full of good players, I was hoping they would move up for someone potentially great like Jeremy Lamb or Austin Rivers. Maybe this French guy and Miller have that same potential, but it feels like more of the same.

  • Sky67

    The current fo is not the one that repeatedly lost in the first round. If we gave ujiri all the time we gave warkentine and company I think we’d get better results. Also before ujiri came we didn’t even get draft pick to speculate about.

  • Rodekill

    So finally the Nuggs have a first round pick and a couple of seconds that they can play with, in a draft class full of bench players and blue sky. It will be some time before we see just how well they did. I am curious to see how they get around this whole 20 players trying to fit into a 15 man roster. I would think by the end of the day there is going to be more coming out about draft night trades. If that happens, then these pick make a lot more sense, as do a couple of picks earlier in the draft. I like the potential of all three, just curious about some of the log-jams at their positions.

  • FstbrkJM

    Just like other teams, Ujiri had a plan going into the draft but I don’t feel our needs were met last night. I like GK’s philosophy of “team” ball and not having one person score the majority of the points; however, everyone knows it becomes a half court game in the playoffs & we still don’t have a proven scorer, from the block or the wing, in the half court set. This continues to bother me. Could we have gotten that kind of player at #20? I don’t think so. Could we have gotten that player @ #7 with a trade with the Warriors? Possibly.

    Unless we seek out someone in FA or if Galo or Chandler suddenly step up and become a “closer,” we will (sadly) see another 1st, maybe 2nd, round playoff exit. Yes we are deep but we need a closer in the half court set & we still don’t have it.

  • http://Denverstiffs.comSlader Richard Greenslade

    I am willing to be patient here. Everyone is concerned about 3-pt shooting, but we have AAA, Ty and Big Al plus a healthy Gallo and improved JHam. That should be fine, as long as Brewer is kept on a shorter leash.
    A stretch power forward would have been nice, but if they didn’t believe in Moultrie or PJ3, no point in taking them. I also think they would have taken Nicholson – my dearest hope – but no dice (don’t know what Magic are gonna do with 2 stretch 4s…).
    Quincy will practice, learn the system, do a stint in the D-league and ride the pine. Fournier will do another year en France.
    The message, as I interpret it, is that this year really WILL be one of consolidation and development from within, at least until the All Star game. At which point it might be time to bundle Chandler, Koufos and our 2103 1st round pick for an All-Star or a top-5 pick.

  • Duane

    This draft was 100% about the fact that George Karl doesn’t play rookies….look how long it took him to play Faried, and he is better than anyone we could have drafted. We find out this year about Hamilton and then maybe Fournier plays for us in 2013-14. Who knows what happens with Quincy Miller and the Turk never plays here.

  • Zack

    I love Quincy Miller but it’s tough for me to see him getting much playing time on the Nuggets team as it’s currently assembled (especially with Karl as the coach). I believe Miller should get some playing time as a rookie, and he’ll probably be an even better athlete than he was last year (he was still recovering from his ACL injury the year before).

    As of right now, he’ll be behind Gallo, Chandler and Brewer at the 3 (which is probably his most natural position) and behind Faried and Big Al at the 4.

    If we trade Chandler and a big for something (maybe a backup PG or another big, or just future picks) that could change things. This will make us want to go small even more (can you imagine a lineup with Ty, AAA, Gallo, Faried and Miller?) That team would get pounded down low, but boy would we run.

    I just wish Karl would actually play rookies (aka Faried for the first half of last season). Also, I heard that Fournier doesn’t want to play in Europe next season (apparently his French team sucks) so how will that work if he wants to come over to the NBA right away (we’d have to rotation caliber rookies that have to sit on the end of the bench because of George Karl’s inability to let rookies do anything other than carry other player’s bags and get a few minutes of garbage time).

    • Zack

      In the last paragraph, I meant *two* rotation caliber rookies.

    • Ricardo

      Fournier would either be sitting at the end of the bench or he would be sent to the D-League for further development.

      • Zack

        I could see him going to the D-League. On this team, he will be behind AAA and Hamilton (and since he’s a rookie I’m sure Karl would play Brewer or Chandler at the 2 before Fournier). He would only play in garbage time. But if he can work on his skills and get better (plus becoming a better shooter) he could be a good player down the road for the Nuggets.

        • asdqqq

          Hamilton isn’t a SG. So Miller is set to be behind Gallo, Chandler, Brewer, and Hamilton at SF, while Fournier would be behind only Aflallo at SG. That’s if they are all only playing their natural positions, which of course isn’t the case.

    • Charlie

      He’ll get almost no playing time whatsoever. On the plus side, he gets to spend a year with the Nuggets organization growing into his body and learning how to play at the next level.

      It’s a pretty good situation because he’s all raw talent. Quincy wasn’t drafted in the first round because he basically did very little his one year in college and is probably a year away from becoming ready for an NBA rotation.

      I can see him surprising the Nuggets staff and proving a lot of people wrong just by getting a shot with the team next year. This was a really great get for Masai and really fits with the long-term goal of developing young players.

  • Trevor

    After seeing the draft I’m glad the Nuggets didn’t make any moves. If Evan Fournier doesn’t play in the NBA this season that is okay, the Nuggets should be giving Jordan Hamilton a shot as the backup SG this season and let Fournier develop in Europe a bit longer since he is only 19. As for Quincy Miller I think that pick was a steal and was very happy he fell to 38th overall. Had it not been for him suffering a knee injury and missing some time last year he easily would have been a first round pick. I don’t know how much he will play next year with the way Karl plays rookies but he was diffidently a no risk pick for as low as he fell and could be a nice addition the Nuggets young pool of talent. As for Izzet Turkyilmaz, might as well take a chance on a 7 foot Euro with a late 2nd round pick, if he is ever good enough to make it to Denver it would be an incredible find.

  • Ryan

    If the Nuggets were set on Fournier, I think they could have traded back, added another 2nd round pick and drafted Doron Lamb or Kim English to address the 3pt shooting problems they have. I could be wrong, but I doubt anyone in the early to mid 20s would have drafted Fournier. I agree with Charlie, that Fournier will be stashed in France for another year or two, as he doesn’t really have a fit in Denver right now and needs to get stronger/improve his shooting. He says he wants to come over now, but that’s not really his decision to make. I think a full offseason will do wonders for Hamilton and I hope he develops into a reliable 3pt shooter/better all-around player. With Miller, hopefully he fully recovers from his ACL repair and regains some of his athleticism. If not, it doesn’t cost the Nuggets anything, so it was worth the risk. Izzy TurkyDinner is a total waste as he is 22, not some 19 year old kid and looks like he’s on a self-imposed hunger strike. He will never play in the NBA. Still hoping for some trades this offseason or, at the very least, by the trade deadline next year.

  • DH

    Great analysis, guys. Some thoughts…

    I love Masai. I think he’s been brilliant. And Fournier could turn out to be a great pick. But are we allowed to question it? Of course we are. It’s not like Masai will never make a mistake. This site allows us to provide our (hopefully reasonably informed) opinions, so that’s what we’re doing. Personally, I’m not a fan of the pick. But I will be thrilled to admit the error of my ways if and when Fournier/Masai prove me wrong.

    I keep hearing that the Nugs don’t have any glaring needs. I cringe when I hear that. Let’s start with PF. Who guards Gasol if we meet the Lakers again (and if Pau is still with them)? Who plays backup PF if Harrington’s creaky knees catch up to him again? What happens if (God forbid) Manimal goes down for an extended period? My guess is that Chandler (if he can stay healthy) plays PF, with some Gallo mixed in. But I’m a fan of playing guys in their natural positions most of the time, unlike our coach.

    We were also near the bottom of the league in 3-point shooting. Hopefully, JHam is the shooter we need and he gets some PT to take advantage of that. But he’s unproven. Ty can’t shoot it if he’s the one penetrating. Al is a volume shooter, not a consistently accurate one. AAA was struggling the last I saw, although he’s still our best option. Gallo was off this year. Even GK acknowledges that we need more/better outside shooting.

    We also need to improve drastically on defense if we ever want to contend. You can argue that the problem is coaching, effort, youth, or whatever – and you could be right. But I would never complain about adding a long, defensive-minded post defender or a lock-down perimeter defender.

    If Miller leaves, we need a push-the-pace, scoring-threat PG. I’m a Stone fan (admittedly based on a very small sample size), but he doesn’t fit what Karl likes to do, unfortunately.

    We need a younger, healthier “stretch 4″, since Karl is big on having that type of player and Harrington is getting up there in age.

    And finally, as much as I like this team and the players on it, we should alway be looking for someone with the potential to upgrade any of our starting positions – or at least to provide healthy competition for the starters.

    So, yeah, we have needs. And at this time, Fournier doesn’t seem to fit any of them – not to mention he plays the most stacked position (wing) on the team. His deficiencies right now are reported to be shooting, defense, and strength. I know that could change, and I know Masai’s forte is International scouting, but nothing I’ve read from “experts” who have scouted him indicate to me that he has more than role-player upside. I’m not sure that he’ll ever be more than Rudy F (whom I like more than most people do), and Rudy is something like our 11th man (5 starters, plus Miller, Harrington, Brewer, Chandler, McGee, and maybe JHam ahead of him).

    I’ll be patient, and hopefully I will be able to gleefully acknowledge how wrong I was at some point in the future. But I’ll go on record as saying I would have taken (based on a combination of risk/reward and need) Moultrie (has some Kenyon Martin to him, with better size and some offensive tools), PJ III, Q Miller (very fortunate that he fell to #38), Sullinger, Jeff Taylor, John Jenkins, Teague, Barton, Tyshawn Taylor, Doron Lamb, Draymond Green, or Ezeli (in roughly that order) before I would have taken Fournier. And I would have taken Nicholson before any of them – so I, too, wonder if the Nuggets would have.

    Of course, any of the above could be busts (as could Fournier). I guess time will tell. But for now, I’m a little frustrated.

    • DH

      Oh crap, now I see that I seem to be agreeing with Mark Kiszla. I don’t think that’s ever happened before. I’ll have to take back everything I said. ;)

    • Kalen

      I feel you man, trust me, I do. Especially about the depth/getting better part. As deep as the Nuggets are, there are certain positions that could always be upgraded upon. That’s what’s tough for me — coping with the fact the Nuggets felt this was about the best they could do.

    • Charlie

      DH, there are a couple ways you can think about the “needs” on the Nuggets going into next year. While I agree with everything you said about the needing a four behind the declining Al Harrington, you also have to think about the roster space, the salary cap, and the Nuggets ability to actually make a first round pick work. As I explained in my little blurb above, you can’t afford to keep spending first round picks on another J-Ham year after year. Look how hard it was for Masai to get his message across last year – he drafted two guys for need and really had to fight Karl in a lot of ways just to get his plan going and see what his young guys were actually made of.

      The problem is the way the Nuggets are looking at their team right now. They’re trying to win and Karl thinks they already have too much youth. OF course I would have loved if the Nuggets drafted a young PF or PG considering there’s absolutely zero long-term depth at either of those positions. In fact I would argue that with a top flight rookie who could somehow get a fair chance, the Nuggets would not only improve their long-term prospects for success but they’d also be much better right now. The simple fact is despite the fact you’re 100% correct about needs, the Nuggets are ignoring them and sticking with the declining Al Harrington and Andre Miller. They want to go to the playoffs and are counting on those guys to bring them there, even if they are headed straight for another first round exit. They’re trusting the coach and the youth they already have to improve enough to get them over the hump.

      is that the right way to build a team? Personally, I think no way – but it’s the Karl way. Even though Masai has proven he gets guys that make your team better right away, he can’t keep fighting Karl in order to prove it. Like I said, there really is no point in drafting first round rookies whose careers don’t even get started until their second year in the league. That’s why I think what Masai did in the second round was so brilliant. He adapted to how slowly first round guys are developed when it comes to the Nuggets and snagged a intriguing talent on a second round contract.

      There are a lot of guys who could have helped the Nuggets in this draft, both now and in the future. The one thing we can never escape is the fact that no matter how good they are, they just won’t play and won’t get a chance to help, period. Masai did the second best thing by accepting it and still managing to take a few swings in ways that don’t jeopardize the salary cap or waste roster space.

      • DH

        Charlie, I can’t argue with anything you’re saying, because you’re right about the contrast between the direction the Nuggets should be going and the way they (due to Karl) are determined to go. Personally, as I’ve said in a previous post, I want the Nuggets to go all in on the youth movement and to strive to be a force (with a trade or two probably being necessary at some point) in 2 or 3 years. I want them to let Andre and Rudy go (a sign-and-trade with Miller would be beautiful). I want them to trade Al. And I want them to amnesty Bird. Without doing those things, we will be better than last season, but we won’t be a contender this year or the next or the next.

        In addition, we have redundant pieces like Gallo/Chandler and Moz/Kouf. Between my suggestions above and possibly trading a redundant player or two, some rotation spots would open up. But none of this means anything, I guess, if Karl insists on riding the current roster.

        I still say, though, that if we intend to stash Fournier overseas – and unless he wildly exceeds my expectations – we would have been better off trading the pick for a future pick. And if we intend to keep him here, which is a possibility, I would rather see PJ III or Moultrie or Teague on the end of the bench than Fournier.

        With all of that said, we certainly agree on the Miller pick – even though there was more than a little luck involved there.

      • MK

        You say that Masai and GK butted heads about playing time for the rookies and young talent Masai went through the trouble of drafting. Last time I checked, the coach works for the GM. If the GM says something, the coach does it or is shown the door. I realize that GK has done a lot for this team and for the community, but the NBA franchise Masai has been entrusted to run is supposed to do its damnedest to win a title and if the coach is standing in the way, shouldn’t you be changing coaches?

        It seems that every issue that is addressed, whether it be the draft, FA, whatever leads back to GK and his hang up for not playing rookies. Why even draft anyone if GK won’t play’em? Get rid of the coach, put in someone that’ll play the best players on the roster regardless of how long they’ve been there and let’s get Masai’s short and long-term plans running.

    • asdqqq

      A good playoff team generally runs with an 8 man rotation, at most, in the playoffs. The “needs” you are identifying are 10th-to 12th- player on the bench type needs. Saying we have a “need” at backup, backup power forward takes all of the meaning out of the term need. We are at least two deep at every position. So we don’t have any “needs” as that term is generally used in this type of conversation.
      In a broader sense of that word, what we “need” to win a championship is better players than those we have now, at any position. There is no superstar at any position, so we “need” an upgrade at every position.

      • DH

        I’m not sure why you think I’m talking about 10th to 12th players. Al and Andre are 2 of the first guys off the bench and “need” to be replaced with younger players who could contribute to a contending team in 2 or 3 years, IMHO.

        Also, Andre is an unrestricted FA. He could be gone, whether Karl wants him to be or not. And Stone doesn’t seem to fit what Karl likes to do. I think GK would rather play him as a wing, if at all. Either I’m wrong about that, or Ty would have to play 48 minutes, or we really “need” a backup PG if – or in case – Andre leaves.

        Aside from all of that, we “needed” a bigger PF for stretches of the Lakers series to help counter Gasol. That seemed pretty obvious. And we “needed” someone who could consistently knock down shots in that series. I think everyone agreed on that. I don’t know how those needs could be insignificant since they could very well have been the difference between advancing and bowing out.

  • Justin

    I think the Nuggets did about all they could do in the draft. The Fournier pick could turn out either way. Ive heard he’s a James Harden type player. Which would make him a great pickup. Quincy Miller was a great value at 38. He fits GK’s rookie rule, because he’s only 19 and needs time to reach his potential.

    I’d like to see the Nuggets make a trade for an All-star/Closer/leader
    Rudy Gay? He might be moving, and he might be just what we need.
    He’s made some big shots, and is very valuable. Maybe Chandler, Mozgov and Brewer?

    Nothing is going to be different from last year with the same roster. Its time to shake it up, and use our assets.

  • Buffalo soldier
    • Amel

      I like what I read. Fournier seems to be waiting to prove what he’s capable of, no matter what or who he is gonna face in the NBA. Great attitude!

  • Dubz

    I’d generally have to agree with some of you and say I’m a bit disappointed with the Fournier pick. Masai has earned the right to see this pick through, but at some point this franchise needs to take off. I just hope they tried to bait a team into trading this pick for a future 1st rounder that could potentially be in the lottery. What people do need to realize is that GK is probably right when he says JHam and Stone are probably better at the moment than anyone they could have drafted at 20. I definitely agree. If this is true though, then why not take a gamble on a high risk/reward pick who can sit for a couple years to develop like PJIII? His ceiling is so high it seemed like the Nuggets had to take a gamble at 20, regardless of his knee issues. I’m giving Masai a pass, especially when he got Miller in the 2nd and for his brilliant drafting last year. I’ll see how this plays out, but if PJIII turns into what many of us thinks he can in OKC, no team will feel the wrath more than their divisional foes.

    • Dubz

      I will say though that after seeing some Fournier clips, for a guy who’s 6’7 he moves really well off the dribble and has a good handle. I just don’t know what we’re going to do with all these 2’s and 3’s.

  • GK4Prez

    I have never been a big fan of the draft and stash method that many/most front offices do in drafts. To me, it makes more sense to trade the current pick for future picks, it keeps more options open for the future because a team isn’t stuck with the player that they just wasted the draft and stash pick on.

    I guess there is no need to keep scratching my head over it now because it is a done deal, so welcome to the Nuggets Evan.

    The biggest disappointment of this draft for me was when Adam Silver said that with the 37th pick in the NBA draft the Toronto Raptors select Quincy…………I start rambling, no, no, no, as did most other Nuggets fans………Acy. Shew, a sigh of relief, and then the please Denver don’t screw this up thoughts began….lol

    All of these Turkey guys make me hungry on the night of the draft for some reason, can’t one of them ever have a last name like Efes to help wash the cold cut sandwich down?

    • DH

      I love the draft and stash move at #50, especially with our nearly full roster and 2 prior picks in this draft. But at #20, I’m with you. What a waste. Trade the pick for a future pick if you don’t see someone you think might make an impact in the near future. Then you can either use the pick you acquired or have it in your back pocket as trade ammo.

      But now that it’s done, I think it would be an even bigger mistake NOT to stash Fournier overseas. And comments from the FO make it sound like it’s 50/50 whether or not he’ll stay here. That would make him either our 15th man or a D-Leaguer for the foreseeable future. I guess the other possibility is that Masai sees him pushing for a rotation spot this year or next, but I just can’t see how that’s possible.

      • GK4Prez

        Yeah, I agree. Using a draft and stash on a cold cut sadwich in the 50’s isn’t the end of the world. But, even it could be used to get a future second. The Lakers bought/traded for a pick after this selection to take Darius Johnson-Odom, so there were still options available to move the pick.

        • DH

          Good point. If DJO was just a little taller and/or quicker , I would really like him as a prospect. For that position in the draft, he’s a steal. Then again, this was a remarkably deep draft. Few #50’s make it, so I’m alright with hoping a foreign player turns into something – even if the odds are close to zero. Anyway, your main point is 100% spot on.

  • Bobby

    I think we need more patience. I have no problem Fournier pick, I would have been okay with Jones or Sullenger too. But I don’t think either of those guys will be stars.

    I still think there are moves to be made, I doubt we will go into the year with all three of Brewer, AAA, and Chandler. One of them will be gone. And let’s see what this team has. They pushed the Lakers to 7. And that was with them not showing up for game 1 and the NBA giving the Lakers game 2.

  • Aaron

    Don’t Even Consider izzet Turkyilmaz Coming To Denver, He’ll Be Another Chuu Chuu Maduabum Or Luoll. Quincy Miller Should Make This Te Easily, Founier I Have No idea About Him, He Looked Like a Poor Mans Manu Ginobili Tho,

    In Ujiri We Trust!

  • Sammm192

    http://www.nbadraft.net/2012-adidas-eurocamp-day-2-recap

    This article should give proper reason to be grumpy.

    • DH

      Yeah, that’s pretty much in line with most of the other stuff I’ve read about him. It certainly doesn’t scream “Manu” or “Harden” to me. Again, I have to say, though, that if anyone can outsmart the scouts – especially concerning a foreign player – it’s probably Masai. Let’s hope that’s the case.

  • Sammm192

    Also, is there any chance Denver gets in on Terry on Ray Allen? That plus a veteran center along side Mcgee plus a Miller caliber PG would make nuggets top 4.

  • ryanvdonk

    I’m just happy we didn’t draft jared sullinger, he is an even slower (though more skilled) version of big baby davis. there wasn’t a player in this draft more ill fitted for our up-temp system. the fourier pick is alright, though i think he spends at least this season in france. this gives some time for the nuggets to clear out some of the log jam at the wing positions and we will get a real chance to see what hamilton can do playing steady minutes (i personally think if he does well and continues to develope he could overtake AAA for the starter next offseason, but then again karl gives his guys every chance and then some to keep their spot)

  • DAN

    I’m all for Hamiltion to win the SG spot, though as was mentioned it will be hard to suplant AAA even if he outplays him. J Ham is such a natural scorer and the shooter we could really use. Can’t help but think Chandler and Gallo are going to be seeing plenty of time at the 4 this season. We are thin at the PF.
    Overall I’m excited, mainly about Miller. Just not sure how he’ll find minutes…

  • heykyleinsf

    It would really seem to make sense……

    that after Ty Lawson and Kenneth Faried…

    GK would know that the universe couldn’t care less
    what he thinks about rookies…

    then again… there are a lot of things he seems to
    choose depression over simple mistaken for.

  • tony

    WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME AN INTERNATIONAL PLAYER ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTED TO HIS TEAM…DON’T WORRY…i’LL WAIT

    • Ernie

      Last year when Dirk won the championship for Dallas.

      • tony

        i meant in recent drafts…should have been more specific

        • Ernie

          Ricky Rubio, this year. He had to wait to get out of his contract to come over.

    • Gordon

      2010-11 – Dirk won a title for the Mavs
      2009-10 – Pau Gasol was pretty useful for the Lakers title.
      2008-09 – See: 2010
      2006-07 – Parker and Manu were doin’ work
      2005-06 – Dirk got the finals and almost won a title
      2004-05 – See: 08-09

      Basically every year. Is Fournier a Ginobili/Harden? Dunno. Neither do you. If he is, all this screaming is gonna be pretty hilarious in a couple of years.

      I like Miller better, but if they were both to work out, great! If only one does, that’s okay too. I’m really looking forward to seeing what this team can do with a summer to work together.

      If we only had a non-Andre point guard…

      ~G

      • tony

        ya, i should have been more specific…what i meant was when was the last time an international player picked in draft has been significant in contributing to his team….minus dirk pau, parker, manu. its been over 8 years since an international player has left his mark in the league. i knew as soon as i posted that smart A$$ remark i would get replies about the 4 listed above, haha

        • HammeredHank

          Wellll . . . Ricky Rubio hasn’t looked too bad so far, has he? Serge Ibaka? And who was that other guy from that draft . . . oh yeah, that Gallinari dude :)

        • Fournier4FrenchPrez

          thats like saying when was the last time there was a dominant 7’6 chinese centre minus yao ming.

          tony get off this blog you ignorant racist

          • Ernie

            I know the veil of anonimity allows us to call each other names without real retribution but let’s please try to keep this civilized. Tony was trying to make a point and it turned out that he may have been misguided. That doesn’t make him a racist or create any need to call him one.

      • Justin

        What do you mean by non andre PG?

    • Fournier4FrenchPrez

      - Ginobili
      – Scola
      – Bogut
      – Barbosa
      – Nene
      – Varejao
      – Mbah a Moute
      – Dalermbert
      – Nash
      – Horford
      – Batum
      – Beaubois
      – Parker
      – Diaw
      – Pietrus
      – Kaman
      – Nowitzki
      – Deng
      – Gordon
      – KOSTA KOUFOS!!!
      – Bargnani
      – Gallo
      – Pekovic
      – Gortat
      – JJ Barea
      – TIMOFEY MOZGOV!!
      – Dragic
      – Calderon
      – Gasol
      – Gasol
      – Ibaka
      – Rubio
      – Sefolosha
      – Asik
      – Illysova
      – Kanter
      – Turkoglu

      Apart from that I know what you mean

      • ryanvdonk

        while i agree his statement is ridiculous, a ton of the players you listed played american college ball (in kosta’s case, he played american ball his entire lift, born in ohio) and in american high schools and such.

  • gfacekillah8

    yet again this analysis drives me crazy. why exactly do we want sullinger and PJ3 so badly? we already have one undersized power forward, dont need another one in Sullinger. oh and how exactly is someone with a bad back supposed to play the running style of the nuggets? and why exactly are we so thrilled with PJ3 when he is built like a 4 but refuses to play like one? he would have been another 3 which we already have a ton of. there is a reason why he was passed on 27 times in the draft.

    how many people have actually seen fournier play? he was the best international prospect in the draft and we got him with the 20th pick. thats pretty dang good to me. at 20 you aren’t picking a game changer. i know faried went at around that same spot a year ago but for as good as he is, he is not winning you a championship on his own. when you draft outside of the lottery you just hope the guys you get are at least good contributors. Fournier sounds like he could be just that. Plus we already have a ton of bodies on our team. we can stash him for a year and then bring him in next year when we might need bodies (assuming we try and pull off a 3 for 1 trade for a star).

    the Nuggets did very well in this draft. not amazing but definitely well. Miller was discussed as a top fifteen talent in the draft. we got him in the 30s. we already have too many players so it makes sense to take a swing on an international player who wont be coming over in the near future at pick 50. you guys who are yearning for Machado at 50…what does he bring that Stone doesn’t?

    i would have liked for us to get teague at 20 but the fact that we didnt grab a point guard makes me think that miller will be back next year. i dont understand why all the bashing on Karl for wanting to bring rookies along slowly. unless they are just lights out awesome thats how it should be. and he obviously showed that he will play them if they earn it with faried. out of the four teams in the conference finals only 2 rookies saw large minutes (kawhi leonard and avery bradley before he got hurt). its not like playing rookies made an enormous difference.

    i agree that the Nuggets should take a run with the team as presently constituted. a full year with Mcgee and Chandler in the mix could really make a difference. its all about the progression. next year our goal should be at least second round of playoffs. i definitely think that we can accomplish that with who we have.

  • Poz_303

    If I think back to the end of the season I would say that I had much enthusiasm for the Nuggets future. McGee showed signs of being a shot changing force in the paint and a viable option in the post. Faried, as a rookie, dominated the boards and ran the floor like no other PF in the NBA. Ty played some impressive games in the playoffs. Gallo, when healthy was impressive. AAA was the one of our best post all-star break. That was the future starting five.

    Brewer was that pest of a defender we enjoyed being on our team (and other teams hated). Al contributed, particularly when healthy. Even with Rudy out we still competed and had so much depth.

    Add to that rotation a player like Chandler, a talent we could have used during the playoffs, and the future looked even brighter. I was a very enthused Nuggets fan and looked forward to next season.

    So all-in-all, the future looked bright. The draft was just some icing on the cake and an opportunity to add further talent.

    I admit when Fournier was announced I was shocked and somewhat disappointed because I thought PJIII was a someone which nuggets could select and develop. With the current depth we could afford to swing and miss and no one would have ever second guessed the Nuggets FO. The potential upside of PJIII seemed ideal for the nuggets. A prospect that could be an all-star caliber player or a complete bust. Nuggets could roll that dice with confidence because if he turned out to be a bust we already had a roster capable of competing.

    In any case, Nuggets chose Fournier. Having read some of the comments by GK prior to the draft should have given me a preview. Perhaps i intentionally ignored them. One comment he made was that perhaps the nuggets already had too many young talented players on the roster but it was Masai’s problem to deal with and not his. And then just before the draft he said we needed more shooters.

    Post draft, both Masai and Josh basically said they wanted to give the current roster a chance. Which explains the draft. I doubt Fournier will be in the NBA this coming season (much against his desires). I dont mind the Fournier pick at all, he has upside and can develop into a very good player. I hope all that comes to fruition. I love the Quincy Miller pick at 38. Great value there, and again meets the “Let’s stick to the current roster” philosophy that Josh and Masai stated. Quincy is at least one year away from being a legit NBA contributor and many said he should have stayed in school another year (but tell that to all the freshmen who got drafted early in the first round). I always thought if we kept the 50th pick it would be for a European project. So no surprise there at all especially given the lack of roster spots available on the nuggets.

    So now looking forward, I assume Nuggets will do everything to bring back McGee and likely Andre Miller. With regards to Rudy Fernandez, I just have a feeling he walks.

    As far as Birdman, I see no reason to keep him as he does not contribute.

    So if Fernandez walks and we dont have Birdman on the roster, we sign Fournier and Q. Miller. Our roster is complete (assuming we retain McGee and re-sign Andre).

    If I was so enthused about the Nuggets future at the end of the season, why wouldn’t I be now? I should be.

    I am! Go NUGGETS!!!

  • FinazzAus

    If it was about cap flex and risk management, wouldn’t it have been better to trade the #20 to another team for a future first round pick? I think that give you the flexibility of using that in a big time trade for either a great player or a top five pick without committing to anything. In a couple of years we will have our own first round pick, the Knicks first rounder and then if we had done it the first rounder we got in exchange from this years draft.

    • Poz_303

      That was my thinking too, after hearing the comments by Masai and Josh, I wondered why they just didnt trade their 20th pick for a future 1st rounder? Only reason I can think they didnt is that (1) They REALLY like Fournier’s upside or (2) there were no takers.

      Hope its reason (1).

      • Thomas

        Maybe, just maybe, Masai is so damn smart that he picked and stashed Frenchy because this will be GK’s last year with us.

        Oh the things he could do without GK running the team.

        This should be Jham’s year – this guy can be a 15ppg scorer by the end of the season if only GK let him start.

  • HammeredHank

    Another thing that no one has mentioned, but that I think is interesting from the standpoint of the Nuggets being in a position to take a risk on some talent since we don’t NEED anyone in particular right now: In Fournier and Miller we got two of the four youngest players left in the draft after pick #20. They’re both 19 (along with Wroten and Teague, who are a few months younger). Both of these guys COULD end up being whiffs, but neither is especially close to their physical peak yet . . .

    • HammeredHank

      And in watching some Fournier highlights and reading a little more about him (like everyone else, I didn’t even look at him prior to the draft and was totally caught off guard), he has a little bit of cockiness to him that in this case I actually like. That’s definitely not something I look for in American prospects, but I think one of the big issues with a lot of the foriegn players who don’t translate well to the NBA is that they tend to play more passively over there, and can’t handle the more physical pros in the U.S. Again, it’s no guarantee that he’ll pan out, but I like the fact that the kid grew up wanting to play in the NBA, can’t wait to come over and play with the big boys, and doesn’t look like he’s afraid to go to the basket and make a little contact.

      • Fournier4FrenchPrez

        i also like the borderline cockiness he has for a euro prospect

      • Bryan

        In watching his highlights on YouTube, I was impressed with how well he uses his length to score in traffic and how he doesn’t shy from contact.

  • AAA

    I lot of fans are showing their ignorance.

    If you don’t know what Fournier is like than don’t criticise the pick. And to question whether he will ever play or Denver is an even bigger joke- he wants to come over this season.

    As most people identify, miller is one of the biggest steals of the draft.

    And stop criticising the turkyilmalz pick. Ujiri admits he probably will never play for us however we have no roster spots to draft some American college player

  • Evan “The French Hope” fournier

    Evan will be a nice player, but i don’t know what will be better for him playing in the French leauge? Or coming to the NBA and practicing with the nugget to get the feel of the NBA, becuase we all know Karls stubborn a.s.s will not play him or miller. And I hope we dont sign miller, and im not a big fan of Harrington but he preformed well last year for most of the year, hopefully chandler comes back healthy. And I’m really excited for this season, even though we have to go through Karl’s stupid small line ups, 2 guard line ups, and his stupid post game comments, but I’m excited. GO NUGGETS

  • ny nugs fan

    the more i see of fournier the more i like

    i dunno… this kid might be able to play *this* year

    we shall find out soon

  • Andrew

    So, I think somebody on here said they thought it would be a bad idea to go after Nash, but I am wondering if that might be an awesome upgrade over Miller for the Nuggets if they can talk Nash into being in a double point guard/first man off the bench (6th Man of the Year!) type of role if they can convince him they are re-signing Javale and going for a title? I know it is a long shot and that it may not work, but…

    Thoughts? I just am tired of people saying we are “a year or two away”. That, to me, is a defeatist attitude. The time is NOW!

  • DAN

    Nash will start werever he goes.

  • DAN

    Nash will start wherever he goes.

  • Colby

    I hope the Nuggets make a move for Josh Smith! I’ve wanted them to for a while now. I would also like them to give Hollis Thompson or Scott Machado a shot on their summer team. Thompson could be a nice stretch 4 and Machado will be a good backup point. They also need to free up some roster space so they can at least be players in free agency.

    • MongoSlade3000

      I like Josh Smith but, I think we have enough of what he brings on our roster (shot blocking/athleticism) plus he would take minutes from Manimal and he can’t shoot. I would love for us to go after Hollis Thompson and Scott Machado though. Just watch, Thompson will be one of those Spurs type players a la Gary Neal and Danny Green. Dude can stroke it and boy do we need shooters.

  • Evan “The French Hope” Fournier

    Aren’t we suppose to make a qualifying offer to McGee??? We have like an hour and 30 minutes to do it??? Is batman Working on a trade?

  • AAA

    I’m starting to love Fournier and miller the more I see of both of them.

    These guys along with Hamilton are future guns on the wing for Denver.

    If gallo doesn’t turn into an all star soon, he should be shown the door via a trade

  • Ricardo

    According to Ronald Tillery from commercialappeal.com:

    “Los Angeles Clippers guard Randy Foye, Atlanta’s Kirk Hinrich and Denver’s Andre Miller are also on the Grizzlies’ wish list.”

    http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2012/jun/30/athletic-family-helps-mold-newest-memphis-guard

    The nuggets may need to find a new back-up PG if Miller accepts a contract with the Grizzlies.

  • steve

    I read the article that Fournier wants to come over now to US and NOT stay in euroope. Problem is, even if we stash him in dleague he still takes a roster spot i believe. I think our GM will have big time talks with Fournier and convince him to stay 1 more year in europe. By that time Brewer’s and Mozgov’s contracts will be up and we could possibly buyout Al for much cheaper. I think Fournier would rather stay in Euro and play than come over and ride the bench for a year and waste a year of his contract.