Rapid Reaction: Denver Nuggets 104 Atlanta Hawks 108

Denver Nuggets 104 Final
Recap | Box Score
108 Atlanta Hawks
Danilo Gallinari, SF 34 MIN | 3-10 FG | 10-10 FT | 5 REB | 4 AST | 16 PTS | +1

Loved the hustle and energy, but fact the fact he can no longer shoot straight is starting to limit his impact on the floor. Solid effort, but he just doesn’t work as a one-dimensional straight-line driver on offense. He showed a distinct lack of confidence in his shot and it affected his play in the second half.

Kenneth Faried, SF 26 MIN | 2-8 FG | 1-2 FT | 8 REB | 0 AST | 5 PTS | +7

Foul trouble was the main issue here as the Nuggets struggled to keep up on the glass while Faried was out. He still managed to lead the team in plus/minus and was a big factor in the Nuggets’ late surge.

Timofey Mozgov, C 28 MIN | 3-5 FG | 0-0 FT | 13 REB | 1 AST | 6 PTS | -4

Really good effort in a lot of areas that won’t show up on the box score. He was foul prone and sloppy, but for an emergency start Mozgov started things off on the right foot and was solid at the end of the game as well. The rebounding output is encouraging considering Mozgov was pretty terrible all last season.

Ty Lawson, PG 37 MIN | 12-16 FG | 3-4 FT | 1 REB | 7 AST | 32 PTS | +4

Outstanding, with really the only blemish being that game-clinching turnover in the final minute. It’s been about a good 7 months since Ty’s played anywhere near this level and the Nuggets will look like a different team if this guy starts showing up more than once every 19 games.

Andre Iguodala, SG 38 MIN | 2-10 FG | 0-1 FT | 4 REB | 4 AST | 5 PTS | -1

I get that he doesn’t care about his own offense and generally makes his impact on the other end of the floor, but 5 points and 7 turnovers in 38 minutes is unacceptable. Sloppy effort and a poor finish out of someone the Nuggets are expecting to be a leader on the floor.

Anthony Randolph, PF 6 MIN | 1-1 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 2 PTS | -6

Not great, but I find it hilarious/fitting/sad that both times Karl has brought Randolph off the shelf he’s played him next to JaVale McGee.

Jordan Hamilton, SF 4 MIN | 0-1 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 0 PTS | -4

Still kind of in the rotation, but not really

Corey Brewer, SF 25 MIN | 8-15 FG | 2-3 FT | 3 REB | 1 AST | 19 PTS | -15

The Nuggets aren’t really playing good basketball when Brewer chucks up 15 shots and and plays like this, but he scored 19 points without hitting his threes and gives you the gaudy numbers off the bench.

JaVale McGee, C 24 MIN | 5-8 FG | 1-1 FT | 3 REB | 0 AST | 11 PTS | 0

JaVale’s first stint off the bench is where the Nuggets started getting pounded inside and it continued the rest of the night. His failure to keep Hawks off the glass and protect the paint were a main reason Atlanta got control of the game and held onto it most of the night. McGee needs to focus on providing a solid presence down low and defense.

Andre Miller, PG 18 MIN | 2-5 FG | 4-4 FT | 1 REB | 7 AST | 8 PTS | -2

For the first time all season I get to say something positive about an Andre Miller performance. He started off the game normal (read: slow and awful) before undergoing a stunning transformation at the half. Miller was moving twice as fast as we’ve seen all season, closing out on shooters and looking unusually active on both ends. Whatever the halftime message was, Miller clearly got it.

Two Things We Saw

  1. The Nuggets got destroyed down low, giving up 19 offensive rebounds and allowing the Hawks 95 shots to just 78 of their own. They got in a fast-paced game with Atlanta, but too many turnovers and an inability to bang with Horford and Josh Smith cost them a chance at winning. The Nuggets look soft down low and purely reliant on transition offense for everything they do.
  2. We know Denver’s fast paced style will be a challenge on back-to-backs with the fatigue factor. We also know they can get in a fast-paced game and still struggle with the wrong matchup, especially Gallo on the more physical fours and fives in the league. Until Denver changes it’s style of play, the excuses to lose are highly unlikely to ever run out. Right now this looks like a team on the verge of giving in to that mentality and just waiting for the schedule to turn their way.
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  • googergieger

    Another heart breaking loss. One of the better games we had all in all. Though the last few minutes of the first quarter and that entire second quarter the foul count was about ten for us and two for them. Faried getting in foul trouble hurt us. After the refs for that god awful stretch of about fourteen minutes, rebounding is where we loss this game. Iggy was molested for most of that second quarter and it took him completely out of the game. While that is an excuse, he should be above that at this point in his career. Seven turn overs from him alone.

    Lawson still deserves an A+++ for this game though. Karl needs to hire someone to come up with some plays for him to run during the last few minutes of the game. Doesn’t get any easier for us either. Pacers then Knicks. Then Wolves who have four days off heading into that game. Atlanta had four days off heading into this one too, by the by.

  • Ban Johnson

    If Iguodala is even an average NBA player tonight, the Nuggets win. His body language and demeanor were terrible too.

    So frustrating that the Nuggets can’t put it all together on any night. It’s a collection of guys who individually can’t put it all together and collectively can’t put it all together. It’s almost as if it’s a team designed by the basketball gods for maximum frustration. A bunch of B NBA players playing B- basketball.

    We all know Lawson is ridiculously talented…Why can’t he play this aggressively every night?

    The next person who tells me 9-10 is actually good, considering the schedule, gets punched in the face… Nuggets have lost a lot of games to teams that are far less talented. 9-10 is a joke for a team some smart people were projecting nearly 60 wins for.

    Very little interior defense. I’d give away all 3 centers and more for a guy like Varejao. You can’t win anything serious in the NBA without protecting the rim.

    I couldn’t have been more excited before this season started. The Nuggets have managed to throw a big wet blanket on fans’ enthusiasm so far.

    • rxmart2

      1) 9-10 isn’t that bad with our schedule.

      2) Verajao isn’t that great of an interior defender. Great on the PnRs though.

    • googergieger

      I’d be really surprised if we end this month at .500. Schedule and teams we are playing against, not to mention a pretty obvious bias when it comes to the whistle, and add to that the way we’ve been playing. Be a miracle if we come out of this month at or above .500.

      • ryanvdonk

        nugs tend to play to their level of competition, so .500 isn’t out of the question.

        • Charliemyboy

          Oh, I don’t think we will lose any more games.

  • Jeff

    Maybe the Koufos bug spread to some other players… we know Faried was kind of sick but what about Iguodala, he looked slow and weak despite that crazy sortofadunk on Horford.

    • Ryan

      The dunk was on Smith and, as Jon Barry said, really should have been an offensive foul. AI9 looked like a D-league player last night…

  • Andrew K

    Events like Lawson losing the ball twice in the final stretch is going to cost the team losses. However, at least it is to a point very preventable. With most confidence, I can say the Nuggets could be at a much higher record meaning: They can still turn this around and play .600 ball.

  • rxmart2

    They don’t need to turn this around. Nuggs are doing fine.

    They have only lost 2 games they shouldn’t have (@Orl/@Pho) and won 3 they shouldn’t have (@Hou/@GSW/@Mem). Right now they are on pace for 54 wins even though you guys don’t see it.

    (I think they win 50-52 tbh)

    • Ban Johnson

      Losing to a Wade-less Miami team on a B2B at home was one they “shouldn’t have.” @Philly, @GS, @UT, @ATL should be toss-ups at worst, not games they shouldn’t have won.

      Got blown out by the Lakers and Spurs…just plain bad.

      How are they on pace for 54 wins??? Makes no sense according to your own logic, by which the Nuggets aren’t supposed to win road games against average (less talented) teams.

      50 wins is do-able, but would require 41-22 the rest of the way. And even that would probably be a 6th seed and a one-and-done against the Spurs, Grizzlies, or Thunder.

      Sometimes the glass really is half-empty.

      Playoffs aren’t necessarily a lock. Assuming the Lakers get it together, there will be 7 teams fighting for the last 3 spots in the West. Golden State (w/Bogut eventually), Dallas (w/Dirk), Utah, Minnesota (w/Rubio), Houston, Portland, and Denver. Yes, the West really is that stacked: 12 teams that would be playoff locks in the East.

      • rxmart2

        Have you seen our schedule after December 15th? They will go something like 37-12.

        It’s not just the home/road splits that have made this team look worse than it is, it’s the fact that every road game except 3 (Twolves/Suns/Magic) have been against playoff teams. Not only does our home/road splits get much softer later in the season, but the quality of road opponents does as well. They’ll still lose @ OKC,@LAC, etc, but the rest of their road sched is quite favorable.

        A 50 win team expects to beat all road teams below 500, and lose to all road teams above. At home they win 75% of their games, winning against bottom 24 teams and losing to top 8 teams. They are right on pace at home (lol sample), and ahead of the pace on the road.

        When I saw the schedule I knew that there would be some great lines/futures for the Nuggets this time of the year and I’m right. If you guys have access to any bookies, I’d strongly suggest you start hammering the Nuggets futures.

        This schedule is an anomaly, sagarin ranks it as the most difficult in the NBA over the last 20 years! Originally I thought their schedule was tough, but that was before the emergence of GSW, HOU, and Kevin Love’s return. Add those in the mix, and this has been just BRUTAL… which is great for bettors :) Anyway Sagarin, which is the only ranking system that accounts for road SOS and not just road splits, has the Nuggs at 7th in the NBA which is about right.

        What’s “most” encouraging is what’s actually killing everyone’s spirits–the fact that the Nuggets are close in games that they should be losing. GSW/ATL/UTAH/MIAMI 2X should have all been 5+ point losses, but the fact that it came down to the final possession breaks hearts (mine included). The big picture is that they shouldn’t have been that close to begin with, which is encouraging.

  • Kyle Obergfell

    how does Mosgov earn the start over McGee?

    • John

      GK always does that… If a starter is sick/injured… he keeps the second rotation intact… and jumps the 3rd option up… How else do you think JHam got 2 starts last year…

    • Ryan

      Because otherwise Mozgov’s friends in the Russian maffia would have fit GK with cement shoes

  • Al

    Can we be honest about Faried? He’s got great energy, great presence on the glass, but the dude has to be able to hit a 10-15 footer and he’s a bit (being very light on him here) of a liability guarding pretty much any position.

    • Jeff

      Actually throughout the season, he usually hits that shot from what I remember. It’s rare to see him take jumpers, he had like 3 this game and missed them all so it looks kind of bad. But his hook shot is pretty money.

    • Thomas

      Let’s get real here – we were not the better team yesterday. We still don’t have a team, just a bunch of players doing their thing. That’s on our coach, who for my two cents is just not good enough for the task at hand. Our defense will continue to be non-existent, even with players like Faried and AI as starters. Unacceptable.

      Funny how yesterday you could really tell the GK bias towards certain players. AI puts up stinker after stinker, yet plays the most minutes. Gallo is invisible on defense and shoots like crap (which is his career average anyway), yet is still there at the end to mess things up. GK constantly tweaks line-ups (as usual) at the worst possible times, and we don’t take the a commanding lead when we should have (around the 5 minute mark of the 4th).

      Faried gets into foul trouble, and “fans” complain that he is the reason we lose. We lost because we didn’t have enough Faried. If we had him for 5 more minutes yesterday, we probably win. He makes mistakes on defense, but he dominates to such a degree in other areas that he is a difference maker. Try having Gallo do that for more than one game, not going to happen.

      Yesterday was a perfect game to have JHam for at least 20 minutes.

      We missed KK yesterday.

      • http://yahoo.com prospector

        Well Said!!!!!!!

  • Z

    had the same game 1 gets a B the other Gets a D lol i see whats going on here Faried was trash tonight but you like him too so the grade is good

  • Ckwizard

    This was a great game by Lawson and a good game by McGee and Moz. Brewer did his job. We lost this game because of Igoudala he was off on both ends of the floor his defense was not good. The same can be said of Faried his defense was bad and his offense was suspec the two jump shots down the stretch were poor choices party to blame on Igoudala . Igoudala deserves an F and Faried a D.
    GK didn’t give the team a legitimate chance down the stretch though and my problem with him is that tired players shoot lower percentages and turn the ball over with silly mistakes. Hamilton didn’t play well in the first half but Lawson, Gallo , and Igoudala all played too many minutes in the second half and the did play hard. Hamilton needs minutes in the second half of the games. This style of basketball will not yield good results if your best players are fatigued at the end of the games. If Hamilton gets five minutes at the end of third start of fourth then Lawson can get 2 more minutes rest and maybe he doesn’t dribble off of his foot maybe he does but the chance for success is better. My arm chair opinion.

    • Thomas

      Actually, Brewer didn’t play a good game. He was terrible on defense, getting abused and gambling on steals that don’t pay off. That doesn’t show on his stats, other than his plus/minus (-15). Same goes to Gallo, invisible on defense and average on offense.

      Faried didn’t play a good game but his effort on the last quarter is one of the reasons we almost pulled it off.

      Encouraging to see Ty dominate, despite the sour ending. He needs a better coach.

      I think something is wrong with the chemistry of the team. This won’t get better with GK around.

      • ckwizard

        Everything you said about Brewer is true but I am of the opinion that is what you say is the normal and his normalcy is what he is supposed to be. GK loves the “spark” that Brewer brings not caring if the resulting fire hurts his own team.

        • CJP32

          The +/- for Brewer is an unfair assessment on him. He wasn’t detrimental to the team, when on the court his teammates committed 13 turnovers to his zero. He did not gamble for steals, I have watched the game twice, he was his usual energetic self that created fast breaks and finished around the rim well. Take a closer look at the game tape.

  • CJP32

    When 3 of your starting 5 combine to score just 16 points (Moz/Faried/Iggy), it puts more pressure on your bench – hence why Brewer probably took 15 shots, he’s being aggressive which is good because most of his drives in the last 5 games have been attacking the rim. Remove his three point attempts, and he was 7-10 today which is great. Same cannot be said for Iggy – he just looks flat out bored, whats up with this guy??

    This is the Ty we needed at the start of the season, so its a welcome return, but those 2 TOs in the last minute killed our momentum. 14 TOs from Ty/Iggy/Dre spells disaster.

    Mozzy did a good job on the boards for his first start, but I would of liked to have seen McGee get a start to see what he could do.

    Gallo shot bad but got to the FT line at least, and overall we shot 84%. But when we turn it over 20 times against the number one fast break scoring team in the NBA – we will never win. On to Indiana.

  • John

    I was only able to see the 4th tonight… Stupid job. I should quit going.

    Anyway, I can’t intelligently comment about the game as a whole, but based on what little I did see, my previous opinions all hold true…

    Ty is a good PG, but not great. He is good at slashing/driving, his outside shooting is average, but when dribbling and changing direction his handles are suspect, and passing is mediocre.

    Dre has some nice moves with the ball, and great down low, but he is only valuable as a passer from 15 ft out.. and everyone knows it except him.

    Iggy’s D still looked good, but he needs to be more of an offensive force.

    Manimal should not take any shot that he can’t touch the rim during…

    We need to somehow take the parts and skills of all three Centers and make one big FrankenCenter…

    Good job on the FTs Gallo, but you need to make more than three baskets in a game as the Leading Scorer of a team.

    Who told Brewer that his toothpick arm had an ice cube’s chance of blocking a Josh Smith dunk…

    The boys totally had this one… and they should have won.

    I am standing by my earlier comment, that we don’t necessarily need a STAR, but we do need at least 1 Alpha Male. Everyone on this team is just too passive.

    • Thomas

      Ty’s shooting is above average. He is a better 3pt shooter than Gallo, for his career.

      • John

        Above average for an NBA player, but not above average for a Guard… and excluding this game, he has been well below average this season.

        Lets be honest here. when was the last time you saw a starting PG shooting 60% on “Free” Throws.

        Yes he has been better in years past, but so what… I was thinner 25 years ago too…Live in the NOW.

  • Aaron

    Anyone Noticing How Lawson is Becoming a Choke Artist Late in Games And in Big Moments? Now I Understand Why Karl Plays Miller in Late Games. Probably Figuring Out That Lawson Cant Handle Clutch Situations On His Own. He Better Fix This Quickly Or Were in For A lot More Games Like This.

    • Ryan

      That’s lazy and reactionary. Just one example off the top of my head: Lawson burying the Spurs in San Antonio last year with a clutch shot. Ty will be fine, that was a game we would have won by 10-15 pts except for the turnovers and horrible play by Iguodala

  • al68

    we have no defensive consistency. The supposed star for you Americans is iggy is showing what a average player .Mcgee is a classic player who smashes a team bad position in defense, bad position in rebound .Lawson play well all game but when you have to decide almost always wrong.
    A team with so little intelligence like ours can not play at this speed, only managed to lose a lot of balls.
    Ultimately I see a bad team where players are contracted not deserve what they earn, Mcgee, Gallo, Iggy, and others have let go if deserved, Afflalo, Al

    Continuous Ujiri trade players senseless and within two years we won 20 games.

  • OriginalJakeSauce

    Hey, punch in the face guy, we threw away both heat games, one at utah, here at atlanta and one in golden state…. We should be a 14 and 5 team. George sucks though. And this team hates playing his effing retarded way of ball. So did Melo, Ray Allen, and the list goes.

    9 and 10, not only is a losing record, it’s a losers record right now. When we play a great second quarter, when we lead by 18, I know in my soul we won’t lead by 20, and the game is gonna be hotly contested at the end. Maybe they believe the hype about themselves…. I don’t know, but I’ve never seen such a scared little turtle for a team. I get it, it’s a cold cold world, and there is shrinkage, but come on 9 and 10 looks good to you? I hope you get two black eyes from the phantom punches of the truth, and have to explain it. Because you sir, are wrong. Put that coffee down levine, you are not a closer, put that coffee down George Karl, put that coffee down Nuggets.

    Ty played pretty nice tonight. He didn’t cry like a bitch every time he went back on defense, refreshing.

    • Thomas

      I agree – this team doesn’t seem to like or agree with the GK way of playing. I wouldn’t like it either.

      To me, this is all on the coach. The mentality is wrong, the approach is wrong. There is no sense of urgency, there is no accountability. Losing is “OK” because we have a tough schedule, what a crack of sh*t.

      As other fans have said before, this team is not fun to watch this year. As an objective fan, I don’t see much promise.

    • Charliemyboy

      Good point. Someone needs a to get a Perkins or Rhondo mentality… ready to mix it up. W/o that physical character teams don’t fear us. I would tell Karl to tell the team never to foul unless the oponent gets a bloody nose. Faried is about ready.

      • ryanvdonk

        i’d say mozzy is one of the few guys who wont back down and lays the wood on fouls. i remember in a game against the clips last year he just hammered griffin, and blake was scared to go to the rim the rest of the game and took jumpers (which he can’t hit)

  • Nugswin

    Not saying this is why we lost the game but here is one example of why GK needs to be shown the door: At the end of the game with ATL shooting free throws, after Faried had come up with offense rebounds on several of the last few Denver possessions, Karl takes him out for Brewer. Why take out Faried at that point when he was the most likely guy to get us another shot in the (likely) event of a miss? And why, when we need a bucket, put terrible shooting/dribbling Brewer in for offense when Hamilton is sitting on the bench? That’s just stupid personnel management. Stupid.

    Another coaching mistake is not running plays to get Iggy open shots. Everything he gets, everything, is off the dribble pull-ups (usually contested). Get Iggy involved in the offense by setting him up for some easy shots, this isn’t rocket science. I hope we’re negotiating with Stan Van Gundy right now but I’d bet the front office is committed to Karl through the season.

    Nice to see Lawson have a breakout game. Now is when we should be shopping him. Somebody mentioned that he has a higher career three-point percentage than Gallo. The difference is that Gallo can shoot it while being guarded while Lawson only takes wide open threes. He’s just not good at contested shot making — kind of the anti-Tony Parker. It’s why he inexplicably passes when he gets near the rim so much, if it’s not wide open he can’t hit it. I’ll say it again, Masai should be working on a multi-team deal that involves getting Eric Bledsoe.

    Last night showed why Mozgov has value in the league. He doesn’t rotate well enough (but neither do McGee and Koufos) but he’s beefy and just agile enough to be a decent one-on-one post defender. That’s something that it looks like KK or McGee will never be. That will be important for us in the playoffs and is why Mozzy should be getting more minutes.

  • Ryan

    Too much poor play throughout the game by the entire team, but, as Kalen is fond of saying SSDD. Karl still benches Hamilton because he makes one mistake, but lets Andre Miller and Iguodala crap the bed all night with turnovers and poor play. Brewer still jacks up 3s like he’s Ray Allen and even has the gall to jaw with the Hawks’ bench after (finally) making one. Gallo can’t hit the broad side of the barn. Faried should know his limitations and not try to shoot jump shots in a tie game with 1 minute left. Lawson is the only reason we don’t get blown out, but has a couple bad turnovers at the end. It all starts at the top, with GK. Since he doesn’t treat players equally, uses stupid rotations that make no sense (2 PG lineup), and refuses to make adjustments as the game progresses, the team just tunes him out.

    • Thomas

      Think you are right. Players are giving up on Karl. Let’s hope so, I can’t stand watching this pathetic coaching display.

    • ryanvdonk

      honestly, it doesn’t look like they ever practice late game situations. give the ball to ty and watch, half the time with faried just standing near the paint so his guy slides but he doesn’t get open. how about a pull up jumper around the FT line? seriously ty, everyone just backs up when you start driving, stop and shoot, you’ll be wide open 90% of the time.

      • Ryan

        Agree 100%. If Ty added a reliable pull up jumper off his drives he would be unstoppable.

  • ckwizard

    I am sorry Igoudala for saying you had a bad defensive game on this board last night. You are the best defensive player on the Nuggets team and I hope you get more aggressive and have faith you will make better/quicker decisions when on offense because you are needed on offense, your gread C.

    After re watching this game wow the defense was good WHEN BREWER WAS NOT IN THE GAME. We did not lose this game because of defense and the team is getting better on the defensive side of the ball.

    Turnovers and bad play on the offensive side of the ball cost us this game, credit the Hawks cause they played solid D too.

    Nuggets win this game by 10 if they play a decent offensive game as a team. Unfortunately the turnovers led to easy points for the Hawks.

    Want to talk about chemistry look no farther then the defensive side of the ball and Brewer. Igoudala was clearly frustrated with Brewer leaving his man and playing out of control. Brewer may have put up 19 points but he needs to play more disciplined on Defense.

    Hamilton made no mistake that I saw that hurt the team. In the second quarter he got 4 minutes and missed one shot. While he was in his assignments on defense were met and didn’t lead to any points. In that same 2nd quarter Brewer saw a lot of time Missed 3 wide open shots and missed on very out of control shot. Brewer also forced the team to try and cover for his out of control play on the defensive side of the ball, this was also the case in the 3rd quarter.

    I hope GK will review the games and ask himself “why am I choosing undisciplined hustle and bad fundamentals over the other players on my bench.” If you are going to choose bad defense and good effort, combined with not great shooting the Nuggets are in trouble especially on the road.

    Overall I am really impressed with the Nuggets defense when Brewer is not in the game.

    • Ryan

      Hamilton didn’t protect the rim on a 4 on 1 the Hawks had, letting the Hawks’ player go straight to the rim and dunk it. Immediately after, the ESPN camera panned to GK looking disgusted. After that play, Hamilton was glued to the bench for the rest of the game. Do I agree with that? Hell no, you shouldn’t really get mad at a defensive player for anything on a 4 on 1, but that’s what appeared to happen.

      • Ckwizard

        The 4 on one wasn’t his fault I don’t think

        • Ryan

          No, it wasn’t. I wasn’t saying it was his fault. Hamilton drifted towards the 3-point line instead of stopping the ball, which is what seemed to make GK mad. I think it’s pithy, can’t be too hard on a player for not perfectly defending a 4 on 1, but that appears to be what got GK so upset and resulted in Hamilton’s subsequent benching

  • John

    Just a note… watch the NBA.com Game Time with Kareem…

    I know his health isn’t the greatest, but how awesome would it be to have him as Big Man Coach for JaVale… Just imagine if he was able to impart just a fraction of his work ethic and skill set to JaVale…

    I’ve always though McGee should work with Kareem… Kosta with Hakeem, and Mozzy with Ewing…based on current skills and physical attributes.

    • Jeff

      I don’t think those hall of fame big men would be the greatest teachers because they had their skills in place before they even entered the league. Sometimes natural talents don’t make for great teachers. What McGee needs is a sports psychologist that can help him with his thought process.

  • googergieger

    If a month or so before the all star break we aren’t the sixth seed or up, I say we try something like this.


    Jason Smith could be a much needed enforcer for us, who has a consistent jumper and is a great free throw shooter. Dudley is a consistent three point shooter, a good defender, a very smart player, and a great veteran to have for this team. Gortat is a great starting center who has a decent mid range jumper as well. Might be a tough sale for Phoenix, but Gortat isn’t happy there and not much is going out there anyways. Have New Orleans and/or us send a pick or two their way and it could all be good.

    Anyways, once again Gallo gets tons of hate from people(guy is asked to defend three positions on most nights and actually does an admirable to fantastic job) and when Lawson does everything right(yeah I know two tough turn overs from the guy who played a ton of minutes and was our entire offense almost all game) he still gets blame thrown his way. Not even the slightest bit of credit. From some of the “fans” in this blog that is.

    Anyways, second round or bust. So longs way to go to that. I really am hoping for SVG if Karl doesn’t manage to do anything again. Dude is going to coach. Give us some defensive schemes and you know, run plays. Hopefully he can embrace the fast break, which I think he can. He just won’t rely on it entirely.

    • Ryan

      I wouldn’t mind that trade, but until Chandler proves that he’s healthy, I don’t think anyone will want to trade for him

      • googergieger

        Yeah but it is Phoenix after all. Miracle doctors and all.

  • Traz

    All I see is you loser hating on C Brewer no matter what he does… I can’t wait for him to be off this team… If you put him on a team like Atlanta he scores 30 on you clowns…. All u clowns care about is offense when you can’t stop anybody and besides Manimal nobody matches CB effort on this team… Hopefully he doesnt have to deal with y’all clowns to much longer…

    • John

      Name one team Brewer STARTS on… maybe the Raptors… maybe… I mean I like the guys effort and LOVE his attitude, but you have to admit, he makes a lot of mistakes.

      • CJP32

        He doesn’t need to be a starter to be successful, he’s perfect for the bench ‘spark plug’ role. When you say mistakes, are you talking about turnovers, bad shots, missed defensive assignments etc?

        Because if so, there are plenty of guys on this team doing all of the above. However CB makes up for it ten fold. Besides Faried, there isn’t another guy on this squad that plays as hard as CB, and thats why he gets 22 mpg. There are plenty of teams right now that would want this guy and will pay him well this off season. Most people on this board would recognise that.

  • ny nugs fan

    i wonder if the nuggets would start winning if we all stopped commenting

    hey at this stage anything might work, right?

    on some reverse support type ish (lol)

  • Traz

    CB could start for a few teams and be in everyones rotation.. Everybody makes mistakes you clown but let mcgee gallo Ty etc make the same mistake and y’all got excuses for the…CB just ain’t that popular with y’all so that why you bums run your mouth.. He is a hell of a player..

  • OriginalJakeSauce

    CB needs time on OUR rotation. But 20 minutes or anywhere near it spells doom. He was a pivotal player in Dallas’ run, and for a reason. Dude stinks of champion. But please keep that influence on the practice floor and the bench for 32+ minutes a night. Any more than 16 minutes and his flaws are exposed. Terrible man and team defender. Still iffy at best when the ballhandler in any scenario. Get him to the paint at full speed and he’s half as good as Iggy (Which is still a great compliment) and he’s in his spot. Get him crashing the lane to put up a crazy shot, and it’ll translate to points off the the rebound or a clangitty bangitty deal. He’s got tremendous upside for a player that neither fits offensively or defensively in a traditional fundamental basketball role, and who has shown an uncanny ability to be himself and effective. He’s a terrible basketball player and an amazing basketball player just like Manimal and just like JaVale.

    George should’ve closed the game with the freak squad he played in the 2nd, who turned the game around. It included CB, and andre miller, Jordan hamilton, anthony randolph, and javale. It was freakish, speedy, taught basketball and it was awesome to watch. Any other coach would play with this team, GEORGE SUXXXXXXXXXXXX. I asked the Nuggets to invite SVG or Nate Mc to no sock to work day with the team on 12/12/12. Gosh I hope so. If not, we need to trade Iggy asap, because he needs more structure to really do him. George gives zero structure except “teamness.” Last I checked, still isn’t a word. Last I checked concepts don’t win basketball games, sometimes coaches do. Think we could catch Gregg Pop?

  • GK4Prez

    I watched this game again on the bspn encore, and I focused in on watching how often Brew gambles for the ball. There was a stretch in the 2nd quarter of this game where his gambles were a direct result of 4 straight buckets for the Hawks. I don’t mind a player gambling, but he does it constantly, and you know what they say about too much of a good thing.

    I can’t understand why GK gives him the minutes he does because his advanced stats in +/- are not positive, and GK likes to use +/- on/off court stats. And, if you go buy production, Brew is at 12.6 and his opponent is at 15.6 for a – 3.0. Koufos is also bad in this area, his production is 15.8 and the opposing center is at 18.2 for a -2.4.

    Lawsom, Iguodala, Mcgee, Miller, Faried, and Randolph are the only players on the team with a + production +/-. Randolph hasn’t really played enough minutes to judge, so his production is probably skewed quite a bit, but who really knows if it is or isn’t.

    I really don’t think using +/- is a good stat to use from game to game, but in the case of Mcgee, it probably is. He has been close to or at the bottom of the league in the +/- On/Off court stat for a few years now, so there has to be something to a team being better when he isn’t in the game. I don’t see it with the eye, but the numbers don’t lie.

    • Ryan

      It’s funny isn’t it? A lot of the time when McGee is in, it looks like he’s playing well, but when you look at the score, the Nuggets are losing their lead or the deficit is increasing. I still think he’s a valuable player to have, just have to get him a little more adept at playing man to man defense, establishing defensive position, etc.