Rapid Reaction: Washington Wizards 112, Denver Nuggets 108

 

Washington Wizards 112 Final

Recap | Box Score

108 Denver Nuggets
Danilo Gallinari, SF 34 MIN | 5-16 FG | 5-5 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 2 STL | 1 BLK | 2 TO | 16 PTS | +10Gallo had a pretty solid first half, despite his jumper not falling. Got to the rim quite a few times. He sat for too long in the fourth quarter, and when he finally came in he took several bad shots.
Kenneth Faried, SF 27 MIN | 4-7 FG | 2-2 FT | 6 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 10 PTS | +12Faried didn’t bring a lot of energy, didn’t finish at the rim, and couldn’t stop anybody on defense late in the game.
Kosta Koufos, C 25 MIN | 3-5 FG | 1-1 FT | 7 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 7 PTS | +2Koufos was solid for most of the game. He didn’t get credit for any blocked shots, but I counted at least 3 that he altered significantly. Leaving Seraphin alone for an offensive rebound late in the game was a big mistake.
Ty Lawson, PG 36 MIN | 11-16 FG | 3-4 FT | 1 REB | 6 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 5 TO | 29 PTS | -5Ty started out slow and had trouble finishing in the first half, but turned it on in the third quarter with 23 points scored in a variety of ways. He also had a couple of steals and played decent defense for most of the game. A poor decision to drive into traffic hurts his grade here.
Andre Iguodala, SG 30 MIN | 0-4 FG | 2-6 FT | 4 REB | 4 AST | 5 STL | 1 BLK | 1 TO | 2 PTS | -1When your shooting guard shoots this poorly from the field and from the line, it’s going to be hard to win. He did have several nice defensive plays, including stopping a fast break singlehandedly early in the game.
Corey Brewer, SF 28 MIN | 7-14 FG | 1-4 FT | 2 REB | 3 AST | 3 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 17 PTS | -8If the game ended at halftime, I would have given Cold Brew an A- for the game. He was wreaking havoc on the defensive end and hit most of his shots. In the second half he gambled and ended up in the backcourt without possession several times, leading to easy buckets that allowed the Wiz to close the gap. He started missing shots, but at least decided to feed Ty Lawson when he was hot.
JaVale McGee, C 14 MIN | 2-7 FG | 2-4 FT | 3 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 1 TO | 6 PTS | -12JaVale was aggressive in the paint to close out the first half. He was exactly the opposite at the start of the fourth quarter.
Andre Miller, PG 26 MIN | 8-10 FG | 1-3 FT | 5 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 17 PTS | -6By far the hardest player to grade tonight. On the plus side, he was scoring pretty much at will in the fourth quarter. On the minus side, he had several defensive lapses and missed two key free throws.
Wilson Chandler, SG 20 MIN | 1-5 FG | 2-2 FT | 5 REB | 1 AST | 1 STL | 1 BLK | 2 TO | 4 PTS | -12He played a lot like Brewer, except he wasn’t hitting shots at any point in the game.
George KarlI try not to give out F’s very often, but when you lose a game like this, the coach has to take the blame. The Wizards had several stretches of the game where they were getting everything they wanted on offense. GK took too long to adjust, and the adjustments he made weren’t very effective.

One Thing We Saw

  1. A team that makes its living in the paint needs to be able to make free throws. The Nuggets average more than 8 misses per game. Twelve missed free throws is a killer in a one possession game.
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Tom Darrow

Fourth generation Denver native, stay-at-home dad with a masters degree in applied mathematics, and all-around geek with a passion for Nuggets basketball.

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  • J.C.

    Absolute crap! This team will never win anything with the way it is currently configured and as long as we have this so called coach!

    • Thomas

      Same predictable GK crap – too much Miller, Brew, amd now Chandler, two PG line-up, no center line at times. The question is when will management put this to end?

      Watched the first half. We were ip by 8 as soon as our starting five were reinserted and Faried was making a difference. Inexplicably, ge got subbed, along with Gallo and them Koufos. Instead of growing the lead to double digits, we went to the locker room facing a tight game against one of the weakest teams out there.

      By the way, lame review. Faried +12 and D, Miller -8 and C. Please start looking at the defense by our guards, or lack thereof. Miller can score in bunches at times, but we get scored in bunches in the process, and then some.

  • EWilson

    This is called not taking your opponent seriously. Perhap losing at home to the Wizards will shake a few of these guy up.

    • ParkHillNative

      Wait, I thought the loss at home to the Twolves, who were on the 2nd night of a b2b and missing key players, was supposed to shake them up and get them on the right track.

      How many times do they need to be shaken up this season?

  • Jason

    This isn’t the first time where we’ve had the opportunity to tie up/take the lead in the final seconds and then not even get a shot up.

    George Karl always draws up the same crap play; pass the ball to Lawson and see what happens.

    • Mark

      Amen.

  • googergieger

    Even if for some reason you don’t question the Ty Lawson/Andre Miller two guard line up, that once was introduced on this game led to a Wizards run. Or if you think taking Gallo out of the first quarter first when he has it going and bringing Brewer in for him, which granted Brewer had it going as well, but Iguodala was right there not doing anything. Even on defense. Even if you don’t question McGee struggling on Seraphin and the answer to that being Faried on Seraphin. Then are fine with Karl calling a time out when Wizards go up and not when they start their run early, in order to put a stop to it. Even if you want to say, Karl isn’t responsible for this team shooting poor free throws, and not playing defense. We have yet to have one game where we give a full effort for four quarters. Even if the asinine line ups and rotations are totally fine with you for some reason. This team isn’t motivated. Brewer is the only guy out there playing like every game could be his last, and god bless him that simply won’t cut it. We need a new coach. Karl left his team out to dry in that OKC game and allowed them to get embarrassed. The lesson didn’t sink in. Bring in a coach that is going to do more with this very much underachieving team or get rid of every single player. Because it is either all on every single player outside of maybe two, or on the coach.

    • J.C.

      I 100% agree lack of effort comes down to the coaching staff especially at home. I’m so frustrated with this team that I can barely speak. Make some trades either to rebuild and have a horrible record or to make the team a legitimate contender i’m sick of being middle of the road.

      • googergieger

        Or fire the fucking coach…

        • J.C.

          No. And fire the coach. I forgot to add that.

          • googergieger

            I think we have a great team myself. Could we use some guys that were more fired up? That would get into everyone else and demand effort night in and night out and bring that same effort themselves? Sure. But it is hard to find young guys that have that, or at least have the confidence to speak up and command the respect it takes to have to be those type of guys. So bring in a coach that is going to tear into you when you don’t try, praise you when you do try, and teach you how to play the right way. Much more goes out of his way to find places for you and the team to succeed.

            • J.C.

              We do have a decent team. My point was im sick of being mediocre. 1 thing we are definitely missing is toughness. We don’t have a single player that is willing to stand up and take charge of the team and without that you just have a group of players with no accountability.

            • Charliemyboy

              Barkley says problem is not enough fire power. GK needs to coach a new team more. He tries to let them figure it out and they don’t. When Iggy or JaVell is screwing up PULL THEM OUT! Tell Chandler is he gets two misses, then sit. A new coach would have the same problems. Unless coach gives them more confidence and pride, drudgery. They will get killed again by OKC and fall to 12.

              • Jacob

                Thank you Charlie… New coach wouldn’t really solve problems he would create them. Only thing I disagree with is listening to Barkley on anything. I guess in this case he is right we don’t have the horses to win, but he isn’t on TV for his expert insight, it’s cause the guy is funny.

    • http://www.tshirtgroove.com Booker Addison

      Well said. Before we blow up the team, get a new coach, and see if he can maximize the obvious talent. SVG would be my first call.

      • Thomas

        Amen. It is so simple, it hurts.

        Kroenke Jr, grow some balls and go tell that you hAve to pull the plug on coach before league players figure out that this place is a career killer.

  • ryanvdonk

    its obvious now, andre miller has value, but the two PG lineup is the death of this team in the 4th. he comes in, ty disappears and our defense goes out the door. he’s a smart vet, but the way george uses him just does not work, especially since he’s the only player who will not be benched no matter how bad the play. only two solutions to this problem, the coach has to change (either his philosophy or just a new coach) but more likely since i don’t think george will be let go mid season is that his favorite grandpa needs to be traded.

  • Bryan

    George Karl has got to go. This is a joke.

    His offensive scheme doesn’t fit the players he has (i.e. people who can consistently shoot the ball). And his defensive philosophy doesn’t make any sense: Nearly every team they play shoots a season high % from beyond the arc and the unwavering belief in switching leads to ridiculous situations in which centers are trying to guard pg’s.

    God forbid a coach actually takes note of the fact that his systems aren’t working and tweaks them to fit the players he actually has.

  • QBC

    This team is just not very good. Maddeningly inconsistent. Even at home, despite having a pretty good record, they’re just not very good at times. These are the games you look back on at the end of the season when you are fighting for a playoff spot or playoff positioning and say we should’ve had this one. This is why we rarely have homecourt in the playoffs.

    • googergieger

      Team or coach? Because the drop off in talent between us and The Spurs isn’t that much, honestly. Honestly we have a more talented team than Memphis. OKC and Clips have more talent but in OKC’s case that is just in two positions and in Clips case, one position. They just are coached by logic and sanity.

      • Thomas

        Agree w goog, team has potential, the coach is the problem.

  • calvin

    stop blaming karl on every loss its getting annoying. yes i understand he had some fault in his decision making with the lineups but this game to cant blame him. its not his fault nobody show up in the second half beside lawson and miller. its not his fault gallo cant grow some and ask for the ball and attack, he is to good to just be out there winging it.

    • Bryan

      You’ve got be kidding me with this excuse. If nobody showed up in the second half, here’s a novel concept: Use your bench and send guys that didn’t come to play in favor of guys that will be eager to get meaningful minutes in hopes of earning more.

      If players didn’t show up as you claim, it’s Karl’s fault for leaving them in there.

      • calvin

        there not excuses am just saying what i see in the game. blaming karl is your scapegoat because who else are you going to blame, of occur everybody is going to go with karl. i think we will still be the same team with any coach they might try to bring in.

        • ryanvdonk

          then how come when we go small with a 2 pg lineup in the 4th quarter, we almost always lose the lead? we don’t rebound, we dont protect the rim, both cause there’s usually only one big in, and rotations are slow because someone (coughmillercough) is playing 10 feet off his guy. yet, this lineup is what our coach puts out to close almost every game. how is that not on the coach?

          Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
          -Albert Einstein

          • Charliemyboy

            Remember we won 5 games in the last qtr. prior to OKC with small guards.Tyson had it last night. It comes down to defensive positioning. They are still thinking too much offence and you can not increase their fire power significantly being who they are. Schemes on offence are actually superior; effort and smarts on defense not.

            • googergieger

              We won games that were a lot harder than they had to be. We essentially played two teams with no bench in Golden State and Portland and they went down to the wire for no reason outside of that two guard line up and other Karl problems.

    • Thomas

      Start watching games. At this point, GK is indefensible.

      When something doesn’t work, you stop it, unless you are real stubborn. GI is stubborn and thinks he is untouchable. Let’s put an end to this madness.

      Masai could avoid having to fire the coach he signed for 3 years (gasp!) by trading away Miller. Simple.

      • Charliemyboy

        I think you should be coaching.

  • will

    I’m feeling another 4 or 5 game first round playoff exit.

    • calvin

      then you give up to easy then, because we still have not reach the allstar break so they still have time to gel and get things together. also you should know the nuggets have always being active the trade deadline. they are not afraid to make big moves.

      • googergieger

        Good luck finding a Karl proof roster.

      • Bryan

        This isn’t the Eastern Conference. The difference between the 4th and 6th seed can be as few as two or three games. Blowing home games to garbage teams like the Wizards and Wolves could prevent home court advantage and basically guarantee a Karl led team will get bounced.

        • calvin

          quit using karl as a scapegoat because its all his fault because the players dont listen and dont follow the plan. that why lawson called them out and then they started winning some so cant say its all karl.

          • John

            I hate to point this out, Calvin, but if the players don’t listen to a coach… then he is not a coach.

            Thats his whole frickin’ job… Figure out how to beat other teams… tell them how to do it…show them how to do it… make them do it…. thats it.

            If a coach can’t do that… you need to either get a new coach, or all new players, because he has lost the team.

          • Bryan

            Do you even watch the NBA? Players tuning coaches out means they’re not coaching and grounds for ownership to fire coaches.

        • Charliemyboy

          What about beating teams like SA, Memphis, and the Clippers?

  • calvin

    so firing karl is going to solve things?? theres more problems than just karl.

    • Bryan

      Just about every team the Nuggets have faced this season has shot a season high % from beyond the arc?

      Why do you suppose that is? It’s schematic. The players executing Karl’s idiotic defensive scheme. The problem is that it doesn’t work and and Karl’s too stubborn to admit and change it up.

      Karl’s dribble drive offense requires good perimeter shooters. No one on the Nuggets fits that bill. Does that stop Karl from going with it?

      It starts at the top. A coach who implements offensive and defensive schemes because they sound good on paper but fails to realize the obvious (they’re not working with his team) and change it up is an enormous problem.

      • Steve

        Bingo!

    • John

      True… but if a coach doesn’t require players to play defense or hold them accountable, then it’s pointless to address any of the other issues.

      It is pretty telling that when the 3rd worst 3pt shooting team had so much time to shoot, that they were downing 3’s at nearly 50%.

      It is obvious that Karl’s defensive scheme doesn’t work, and/or the players aren’t committed to it. Either way, that’s on the coach.

      • heykyleinsf

        don’t forget near NBA leading turnovers and NBA cellar dwelling FT %. FUNDAMENTALS. WTF is Karl doing GOOD for this team anyway, all you apologists.. you say it’s not on him.. Ok.. your turn then. WTF is Karl doing BENEFICIAL for this team??? I keep hearing.. “not his fault.. not his fault”.. Ok.. How is he making a difference? What kind of success are we having that we can give GK credit for?

      • Charliemyboy

        I agree with this but can offer no other scheme; not enough knowledge.

    • Thomas

      Again, looks like you have’t seen the Nuggets with GK for all these years.

  • mitchell

    been thinking about possible trade targets. how about lookin at guys like oj mayo, even vince-sanity, courtney lee, rashard lewis…

    all those tams have needs ands are willing to listen to offers…

    • calvin

      mayo is not in the block and the rest wont help at all.

      • mitchell

        not saying those guys specifically, but we need outside shooting.

      • GK4Prez

        Mayo would be a bad trade target, a year or two ago he said he didn’t want to play in Denver, and I think he is only on a one year deal this year, so he would probably be a 30 game rental.

  • googergieger

    So Calvin you are in the blame every player except for two and not Karl at all camp? So in other words trade everyone except two players and watch Karl work his magic with a line up willing to do everything he says? As long as those people bring an effort all on their own as it isn’t Karl’s job to get his team fired up? Okay. You his agent or something?

    • calvin

      yes i do believe karl is to blame as well, but you also cant blame just him. thats what you always seem to be doing. you also preach karl should play mcgee more but how do you expect karl to play him when he is playing like this.

      • googergieger

        Because he players Miller when he plays bad, Koufos when he plays bad, Iguodala when he plays bad, Brewer while he plays bad, and just about anyone not named McGee when they play bad. Difference is, McGee could become something really effin special. Heck he doesn’t even play McGee when he plays great.

        • calvin

          because they at least play smart basketball and we know what they are going to bring in every night. with mcgee you dont know because he plays out control and wild. we know he could be come great center but he cant if he is not control that why you got yo be harder on him than body on the team.

          • googergieger

            That isn’t a reply to what I said. God Karl apologists are nothing but ESPN talking head worshipers that can’t have a proper conversation that isn’t scripted as such.

  • Cephus

    I try not to lose perspective but on games like this it’s tough. Igodaula is looking for a ten million year + contract extension? Please don’t make me laugh. The Andre Miller / Ty Lawson dueling point guards will be fiasco in the playoffs.

    Javale can’t pull a payback game against his old team ? Only Phil Jackson ‘ the big man whisperer ‘ has a chance of getting to this guy. No, I’m not under any illusions Kroenke would pay him. I get blowout against Oklahoma. This loss is painful & borne of complacency.

    If I’m the Nuggets GM, I’d be programming in Alvin Gentry & Avery Johnson’s number are on my speed dial. I’m not even mad at Karl but every team will start to tune out a coach after an indeterminate amount of years. What happens with this homestand will be very revealing.

  • heykyleinsf

    Iguodala did not come as advertised. He’s as bad as AAA. You didn’t notice Tom?? some no name SG got 10 points north of his season average tonight. Why so generous to such a chronic under achiever? START BREWER.

    • Mark

      Can’t say I disagree. Remember that big put-back the Wizards got after missing a 3-pointer with about 30 seconds left in the game? Look at the ESPN highlights… Iguodala is just standing there, staring at the guy put a dagger into the Nuggets.

    • Fraser

      Iggy isn’t the problem defensively. In the East Iggy got run through heaps of P&R BECAUSE everyone knew he is a great defender.

      Same is happening here- except that GK’s defensive scheme is switch everything. All a team has to do is run Iggy on a pick and voila- the get a mismatch or a matchup with a less than capable defender (Andre Miller or get a big fella like KK JmcG or Faried on the perimeter)

      Iggy is also getting torched defensively because he has to guard both his guy and whoever it is the Andre Miller isn’t rotating to.

      Iggy has had some woeful games offensively, tonight maybe even the worst, but it isn’t Iggy’s defense that is the issue

      • heykyleinsf

        same argument everyone had last year apologizing for AAA.
        we bring this elite defender in .. and our defensive numbers
        are just as much or more abysmal.

        It just doesn’t hold water for me. I don’t see 112 points
        to the worst team in the NBA.. AT HOME..
        being a pick and roll issue.

  • John

    It is obvious that this team lacks the stones to win more than a single post season game.

    At this point, I am all for tanking the rest of the season in an attempt to get a high lottery pick. Too bad this looks to be a pretty crap draft season.

  • Mark

    Man, this coach is ridiculous. I don’t go to a lot of games because I have to drive down from Breckenridge to get there… But I was lucky enough to be sitting several rows behind the Nuggets’ bench tonight. When the Wiz went on that run late in the game that turned a 5-point deficit into a 5-point lead, I couldn’t believe how long it took Karl to call timeout. Then when he did, I couldn’t wait to watch him screaming at his guys. But I proceeded to watch him stand there, take 15 seconds to fold his jacket and button it just right, then spend the next 20 seconds staring off into space with his arms folded in front of him. What the F is this guy’s job? To shake a magic 8 ball to decide what asinine lineup he’s going to throw out there?

    • Kalen

      Interesting perspective Mark. It sucks you spent that much time and money to see the Nuggets do what they did tonight. That’s not fair to the fans.

      Your observations about Karl is also what has often driven me crazy about him. You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to understand body language. He’s not the same guy he was in Seattle or Milwaukee. His demeanor during crucial moments of games drives me nuts. Like you said, how do you not try and light a fire under your team’s rear end? I don’t know. I’m not in the huddle, but I’m also not blind.

  • googergieger

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=av7w4dz

    There you go folks. Bargain basement big three for Denver with Lawson, Gay, and Smith. Then the other teams get better with room to grow and have actual coaches that can make those young guys better.

    • calvin

      big three?? we will be alot worse we that team than the one we have right now. Denver has always being good in developing players what you talking about?? how do you explain affalo,Koufos,lawson,nene,gallo and so on what do you expect them to be??

      • googergieger

        Twas a joke. But people putting up career numbers here should be taken with a grain of salt. This team is designed to score easily(if you run you score). Gallo should be a twenty point scorer this year at this point but when he is on his way the team goes away from him for some reason. Lawson should be a top ten PG this year, but that ain’t happening. I mean with the talent and versatility on this team we should be a top ten defensive team and top ten almost everything really.

        • calvin

          this team is not design to score like you say, this team is made for attacking the rim and getting to the line, but that cant work because this team is struggles at line. gallo should be 20 point scorer but doesnt know how to demand the ball, knowing he is the best shooter out there. your aiming to high on lawson being a top ten maybe 15 .

          • googergieger

            Demand the ball? Pecking order according to Karl is, Ty, Dre, other Dre, then Gallo. Da fuck he supposed to do? Pull a Carlton and rip the ball out of other people’s hands? Lawson is as fast as Tony Parker, stronger, and has a shot to his name. He should be a top ten PG.

            • calvin

              yeah demand the ball, i believe that what stopping him from being an star, if he know he is on fire dont you think he should be asking for the ball just like all the stars do.instead of just cruising it out there. my top ten are rose, westbrook, cp3, parker, curry,rondo,Williams,wall,irving, Holiday i dont think no coach could make him better than them unless he puts in the work and improves him game.

              • googergieger

                No. I mean I’d argue with you some more, but you haven’t been right about one thing. I mean even Skip Bayless is looking at you thinking you should pick another sport to follow. Badminton maybe?

                Again outside of just shooting the ball literally every time he gets it, it is the job of his team mates to find him. It isn’t like he is standing in a corner. He is moving without the ball and sometimes the team just doesn’t clear out at all when he wants to attack the paint. Ty should be a top ten PG. SHOULD. Some of the reason he isn’t is because Karl wants him to be a Derrick Rose type of PG. Another part of it is Andre Miller and him playing so many minutes together. Like people blaming Pau for his lack of touches and career lows, without taking into account Howard being there now and Kobe putting up twenty shots a night.

            • Jacob

              Goog your ignorance shines again. You just come up with everything to defend your boy Gallo. You’ve never heard the term demand the ball? Simply put good scorers, no matter what team they are on at any level, demand the ball. Gallo doesn’t

              • googergieger

                I’ve heard of it. I’ve yet to see someone paint a picture of how exactly Gallo getting the ball by yelling at his team mates to give him the ball, all the while there is no spacing on the floor, will exactly make him a better player than he is now. Again you all are asking for him to be Kobe Bryant, which last I checked isn’t working out too great for The Lakers.

              • Jacob

                Hmm I think the whole Kobe thing has worked well for them. How many titles again?

                But we aren’t asking for Kobe, Gallo clearly isn’t good enough for that, really nobody is to match Kobe. What we are asking is the long stretches of the game where he disappears stop.

              • googergieger

                Effin knobs are dense.

  • Mark

    I don’t know why I got my hopes up when we were down by two with 8 seconds left. I can picture the discussion…

    Karl: Okay, here’s the plan, we’re going to give the ball to Ty.
    Lawson: What should I do?
    Karl: Score.
    The other 4 guys: What should we all do?
    Karl: Cross your fingers.

    I honestly think we’d be be better off with no coach at all.

  • Gorillabuddy

    The only real solution I see is to fire George Karl. I don’t see that happening though.

  • Gorillabuddy

    This two guard line up makes no sense anymore. I worked to an extent last year when we were more of a fast break team, but now it’s more counterproductive than anything. If Miller gets the ball, Ty doesn’t do anything, and vice versa. It’s like running the offense with 4 players.

    • googergieger

      And defending with two players. As the two guard line up also tends to have Faried at center.

  • CJP32

    Hey Tom, welcome to RMC – not sure about some of your grades though…..but anyways.

    I’m sorry guys but everyone here is quick to blame GK after a loss, but forget to praise him when we win 6 in a row. Has everyone forgotten the schedule we had to start with? The hardest in something like 25+ years. Also, Ty, Iggy, Gallo were shooting horrendous for the first 2 months. Chandler was out.

    Brewer/KK were the bright spots for Nov/Dec, now Ty and Gallo are starting to turn a corner. The issue is Iggy. Some games he just does not appear to give a F**K. This guy gets paid 15 million, yet his numbers are only slightly better than Brewers – a guy getting paid 3.2 million.

    You cannot keep blaming a coach for a loss when half the rotation checked out (Iggy, Faried, McGee, Chandler). If not for Brewers 15 in the first half, we would have lost by 20.

    I dont understand why we need Iggy here anymore, and then possibly give him 16 million next year. I would rather re-sign Brewer much cheaper, reward Faried and pay him accordingly and sign some vets who actually want to play.

    The ball needs to be in Ty and Gallo’s hands – they are the leaders of this group. Iggy is a turnover machine. Sure he is a decent defender and playmaker, but his shooting is still dismal. He let Bradley Beal – a rookie – score 23 points. Seen enough, he is not that special.

  • Giovanni

    Lose to the Wiz…
    Oh my god…

  • googergieger

    So I guess Chandler doesn’t like coming off the bench for twenty minutes? If you all really want Rudy Gay here, they’d probably take Gallo and him for Gay. He’d get his starters minutes off the bench there and Gallo would be a huge upgrade for them as well. Heck if you all really want veteran and vocal leaders here that can defend the post and shoot the three/mid range.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a3dsa2h

    Of course would mean getting rid of Faried and taking on a good bit of money. So maybe just get used to under achieving and watching Karl put this team in impossible situations to succeed?

    • Fraser

      C’mon man that’s a terrible trade!

      • googergieger

        Honestly I just want to see some of these kids play for coaches that are going to set them up to succeed and grow as players, and not be forced to guard players eight times faster than them or twenty times bigger than them.

  • ny nugs fan

    awww man just when i got over the fact that they ran that play at the end of the 2nd warriors gAme that went in ot; then they run it again last night…same play same result

    two things the nugs obviously dont work on: free throws; end of game situations

  • allAround

    Last play after Gallo’s screen ball should have been returned to him for open 3.

    • Jacob

      Sweet so he could miss again…

      • googergieger

        Yup, if there is something about Gallo this year that is unarguable. Is that he doesn’t hit clutch shots for us at all. Not seven of them. Not a monster month of January. Nope, good ole Gallo. Dissapearing for stretches by not being a spot up shooter that hits every shot that comes his way, and screams for the ball while doing it so he can get more shots, and not running around grabbing the ball from his team mates and running to the corner to hit a three twenty times a game without one miss. Man, we should trade him for an older and much less productive Rudy Gay!

        Shut up, knob.

      • Ryan

        If you don’t think Gallo has been clutch this year, you haven’t been watching the games. No other way to put it…

        • Jacob

          He has hit some clutch shots. How about all the ones he missed? I mean the Heat game at home, we were staging a comeback only for him to huck up a 3 only 6 seconds into the shot clock. IN this game he had a similar moment. Could go on all day. He hits some clutch shots because he takes a lot. You guys just look at the box score and see hey he had a fair ammount of points must’ve played well. All the possesions that are killed it isn’t worth it. I love your guys logic though. Whenever we lose, “Oh we need a new coach, we need a new coach, new coach and we would win the finals.” Why don’t we ever hold the players accountable? and I’m not just talking Gallo. How about Iggy, what has that dude done recently? Is Karl supposed to go out there and make Iggy stop throwing the ball away? Is Karl supposed to hit the free throws for these guys? I mean we go small in crunch time because our big guys can’t hit a free throw.

          • googergieger

            Seven clutch shots for us this year. Not even counting the other productive performances he has given us where no clutch shot was needed. He missed one three that could have helped us against Washington. He started the game hot, was sat down, and the ball never went to him again except for late shot clock situations. He didn’t play great defense to start the game however. Which is why I don’t think he or anyone else deserved praise for this game. Still Gallo always shoots through the flow of the offense more often than not. He attacks the rim and gets put back opportunities for the bigs or goes to the line. Plenty of other players to blame for the Nuggets struggles beside him. Which can all be traced back to the coach. How on earth is Faried playing center supposed to help the team by the way? We go small because Faried at center is going to hit free throws for us? Get the eff out of here knob.

            • Jacob

              Well if you’ve been paying attention you would notice Faried’s FT’s have been improving. 80% in the month of January. Thanks for trying though. Your argument is just to belittle the other person, never anything knowledgeable about basketball.

              • Jacob

                And I said there are other players to blame in Gallo. McGee has been playing poorly recently. While I’m posative you will try to blame that on a lack of minutes, we can’t have him out there going 2 for 7 after a stint and realistically expect any coach to want to put him back out there. Iggy has been killing us on offense recently. Brewer has cooled. Lots of blame to put on the players Really the only ones who even seem to be show in up on a nightly basis recently are Faried and Lawson, even they have some invisible games.

              • googergieger

                What are Gallo’s numbers in January? For all your inane, “You don’t know what you are talking about and I can prove this by saying only that”, you and every other Karl apologist have yet to come up with a reasonable argument as to what exactly he brings to the table. I mean again if for some asinine reason you want to ignore the problems with Miller and Lawson on the court together. Want to ignore the problems with Faried at center. Want to ignore the problems of letting runs get out of hand and never once countering out of a time out. Etc…

                If you just want to say the players are at fault for not coming out with a sense of urgency. Then you have to blame every basketball player on this team that gets playing time. Apparently it is just a sad coincidence that Karl is at the helm. Nope, we just have nothing but unmotivated basketball players who will always be like that no matter what team they are on. No matter what coach, coaches them. Way to argue the Gallo argument by the way. Just like every other of your troll comments you ignore the actual arguments and points people bring up and try to change the subject. Get the eff out of here knob.

  • Fraser

    Andre miller was good offensively in the 4th. But bad- oh so bad defensively.

    John wall beat him off the dribble with 2 mins to go when dre was yelling out instructions, he didn’t even realise Wall had gone until he looked back and saw the basket.

    Next defensive possession he didn’t rotate out to Ariza, thus giving him a wide open 3. Instead Dre picked up Seraphin in the key. When Ariza’s shot (Fortunately!) missed all dre had to do was secure the rebound and his mistake could be forgotten. Instead, for some inexplicable reason, he drifted away from the paint- leaving an uncontested rebound and putback.

    Combined with the fact he can’t shoot the ball any better than JaVale McGee from outside 15 feet Dre’s defense really is worse than is offense is good.

    • Steven

      Bingo again!

  • al68

    Que asco!!!!!. La defensa de pena la actitud igual y eso defensa y actitud es una cosa que la da el entrenador.
    GK no nos va a dar nada mas que meternos en PO, que no estaba mal en los 90`s.
    Sigo pensando que es un equipo descompensado con una defensa inexistente sobre todo Miller, Faried, Mcgee.
    No puede haber tantos cambios defensivos si no tenemos jugadores para ello, casi siempre que los adversarios mueven el balon por fuera tienen un tiro abierto.
    Hoy a pasado el peor equipo por denver y hemos perdido, mañana vaticino que jugaremos bastante bien y perderemos un partido igualado contra OKC.
    Como dije al principio de año somos un equipo de 45 victorias.
    Animo Masai en 2 años nos sacas de PO!!!!!

    That shit . The defense and the attitude was defame; that defense and attitude is one thing that is given by the coach. GK will not give us nothing more than ourselves in PO, it wasn’t bad in the 90 ‘s. I still believe it is a team with a defense unbalanced existent especially Miller, Faried, Mcgee. There may not be as many defensive changes if we do not have players for this reason, almost always that the opponents move the ball on the outside have an open shot.

    Today a past the worst team in Denver and we have lost, i predict that tomorrow we will play quite well and we will lose an even game against OKC. As I said at the beginning of the year we are a team of 45 victories. Mood Masai in 2 years we sacks of PO!!!!!

  • http://yahoo.com prospector

    On a previous post I mentioned things that I never wanted to see again… And guess what??? I SAW THEM…

    Leave KK or Mcgee w/Faired on the floor to close out games… When either one of them are on the floor alone our team sucks… AND FARIED AT CENTER W/Miller & lawson IS FREAKING INSANE (KARL SHOULD BE COMMITTED TO AN INSTITUTION AT ONCE)…

    SMALL BALL? Yeah right … All I want to see is Old man river Miller trying to post up every possession like a charles barkley wanna be… Yeah this no defense playing free throw crunch time missing slacker is our MVP…(according to the most insane person in the NBA..KARL)

    At the beginning of the year we had Chandler and we sucked.. Then Chandler was gone and we were respectable… He’s back and we suck… Faried’s minutes have dropped and we have seen more small ball lineups… Just like I knew was going to happen… I don’t want any trades cause I realize Karl would still have a terrible rotation…… FIRE KARL NOW!!!!! Masai don’t listen to Karl and ditch any more players (except Miller & Chandler)…….. DO YOU read the papers??? Brooklyn dumps their coach and now they are winning games…. NY dumped MIKEY BOY and their rolling… But Denver??? We are with Bill Murray stuck in freakin groundhog day, living the same day over and over again… Every time my alarm goes off I see a small ball lineup and Miller’s man hitting three’s like Larry Bird… THIS SUCKS

    • Thomas

      Agree 100%. Unfortunately We have lame management and on average we as Nuggets fans are not really hardcore – look at the crowd at the Can, mostly families and attendance is always OK.

      These other teams want to win and their fans demand it. They don’t sit back and defend coaches that year in and year out pull out the same crap with predictable results.

      Sucks to be a Nugget fan. What a waste. They don’t even realize that we have a few players that could be very special, if coached by a good coach and Given time to mature.

  • heykyleinsf

    all these trade scenarios are moot.

    nothing wrong with the personnel…
    nothing would change either..

    Melo is putting up an MVP argument this season.

    We had him.. and we had the same result.

    Look at GK run here. It’s the same story,
    year after year.

    Shame on me for thinking this year would
    be any different.

    • Jerry

      Good defense is primarily tenacity and consistently good effort. I place 75 percent of the blame on GK in this regard. Watching that Scott Brooks coached team the other night reaffirmed this for me. You don’t need superstars to be a top defensive team.

      I think we have the pieces and salary cap set up to make some splash signings/trades in the offseason, and still have complete faith in Masai. He’s proven himself to be a top executive in the NBA.

      Give Karl the rest of the season to see if he can get a run out of this team. Out of respect for his longevity and returning this team to some level of expectation. If not, its time to let him go and bring in someone that can bring more structure to a young team.

    • OriginalJakeSauce

      That’s reality. My bad everyone. My bad for being bitter.

      I’m pissed at me for believing in GK at all. I’ve been watching him for years…. I haven’t changed much, why should he? Why should he have to?

      It would be really cool if he left us. It would be cooler if he could go coach the bobcats to relevance (Nuggets sized relevance) with MJ.

  • al68

    I like this trade.
    What do you think?

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=azfaz57

    • Fraser

      Lakers might need some extra incentive- but seems good

      • al68

        Dantoni want 4 talls and they have outside shot like Bargani + he`s italian. The Gasol`s value is dropping with the laker`s system.

    • DH

      Creative trade, but no way the Hornets go for it IMHO. It makes them much older without making them much (if any) better. Just my two cents.

    • Steven

      I would do it in a minute

  • OriginalJakeSauce

    So glad I stayed up through the night Thursday night and played the shit out of Call of Duty with one of my best friends. I fell asleep at 630 and woke up at the beginning of the third quarter…. 1am 2nd or 3rd showing on altitude, only to know that it was time to get off the couch and go to bed.

    I saw enough to know that Nene played, that he and Okafor killed us while in there together, and that fat John Wall is better than lean Ty Lawson.

    I’m really not going to be that interested in my favorite team until George gets the boot. This team is potentially awesome. But without intentional halfcourt offense Iggy is lost out there, Danillo can’t get the ball when he needs it, and Andre Miller is our only hope. Obi Wan was no Skywalker, and he could never have reset the balance of the force. Stan Van Gundy, Nate McMillan, or Avery Johnson please…. asap.

  • Mark from Charlotte

    Good trade al68. The problem with the Nuggets is the coaching staff. This team has talent. Nuggets management need to make a change after the season.

  • Mark from Charlotte

    Good trade al68. This team has talent. Nuggets management need to make a change after the season.

    • al68

      I think we have so much talent. Especially defense and outside shooting.
      Our outdoor play is bantante worse than last year and the defense has not improved much.

      • mike

        You all are wrong. This team has lots of good talent, but really no guys in the top 30 of the league (Iguodala is borderline, but only achieves that status if he can hit 38+% from 3 pt land because he is only decent on offense otherwise. Teams don’t win or get particularly close to championships with that type of talent (don’t bring up Detroit either. Ben Wallace was below average on offense, though a good passer and off rebounder, but he’s one of the top 5-10 defenders in the history of the game. And chauncey was a top 20 guy as well. And Rasheed Wallace was top 20 talent who would show that for 2-3 series during their runs.) The way this team is constructed currently (especially with ZERO bigs that play even average post defense) 2nd round going 6-7 games against the Clips/SA/OKC is the realistic ceiling. If you want this team to truly be in the conversation against those teams Lawson better develop into a 90% chris paul like dominator on offense, Gallinari better turn into mini-dirk or they better get themselves an All-star post player. In retrospect if they could have traded a pick, gallo and koufus/mozgov for Harden It was probably the better option.

        • googergieger

          What is your top thirty?

        • dynamo.joe

          Faried is easily in the top 30 in the league. In fact he is easily in the top 10.

          The problem is Ty, who has been AWOL for all but a handful of games this season, and an over reliance on Brewer. It’s great when Ty decides to show up for a quarter like he did for this game, but even when he doesn’t he gets the most run of anyone on the team.

          Brewer has not played badly for a bench player but he has got more minutes than our bigs. And our bigs are the strength of this team.

          Kenneth, Kosta, and JaVale have all played well over-all, but only Kenneth gets minutes approaching a starters. And all too many of those minutes for Kenneth have come at the center position. Even given his prodigious talent, that is a recipe for disaster.

          Like most of you, I would say Iguodala played poorly tonite, but look at what ‘poor’ play for Iguodala entails, 4 rebs, 4 ast, 5 stl, 1 blk. That right there is the equivalent of someone putting up 15 or 16 points but not contributing in any other way.

          And the even more hidden side of his production, is a bad shooting night leads to 0-4 fg. You guys know as well as I do that a poor shooting night from Melo would have ended with 3-16 fg for 10 pts. Those 12 additional shots someone like Melo would have taken are basically TOs. Instead Iggy shut it down and concentrated on the rest of his game rather than wasting more possesions.

          • Ryan

            If you think Faried is a top 10 NBA player, there’s something strange in your Kool-Aid. Top 10 at the PF position, sure, but top 10 in the entire league? Not even close…

          • mike

            faried’s not even close to top 30. He probably isn’t even a top 10 PF. He is a nice weakside shotblocker and average defensive rebounder. Otherwise ALL of his defensive skills are below average (as is normal with a player his with his height and age). His low post defense is VERY poor. He has the speed to become a very good pick and roll disrupter, but not near the footwork or hand skills currently.

            Offensively he is an amazing offensive rebounder. Good not great pick and roll finisher who doesn’t make good picks. He has essentially zero low post or 1 vs. 1 skills. His shot is almost useless beyond 8 feet. He is a very good hustle player who MAXes out as a paul Millsap clone. The best case scenario for him is you have a Tall PF type who has an eclectic offensive game (aldridge, prime Pau, etc.) so that faried can come off the bench to sub in for PF and C position (as the tall PF can play Center position with him).

            PER isn’t the end all be all as it doesn’t measure defense very well and overrates the value of hustle players (who are high efficiency, but don’t create enough offensive value and have diminished value in playoff series’ when they are accounted for better). Still the nuggets have two guys in the top 70. Mcgee 20th, and Faried 44th. Both guys are overrated by this system as their defense is below average and they both are so efficient on put backs or being set up by teammates, but don’t create any half court offense first tier shots on their own. I don’t think anyone would contend Mcgee is a top 20 or 30 top 50-60 is more accurate. Faried is similar.

            Ty, Gallo, and Iguodala have a shot to be top 30 players, but to this point in the season haven’t neared that and Ty and Gallo have never shown that ability.

            I just get tired of people having unrealistic expectations for this team and blaming Karl. The guy is certainly NOT a top 10 all-time coach. He’s more of a top 20-40 all time. But he is certainly top 10 coach right now. Unless you are getting a Van Gundy you aren’t making an upgrade. And even with that you have to find a way to get the bigs to play decent defense.

  • Mark from Charlotte

    Bad home loss for the Nuggets last night 19-31 at the free throw line for 61%. GK give E94 and Jham minutes maybe they can shoot from the outside.

  • emie

    Just because you don’t like someone’s reply doesn’t mean the reply doesn’t have validity or truth.

  • Jazz

    WILL SOMEONE PLEASE TELL SOME TO TELL KARL TO STOP WITH THIS CRAPPY TWO POINT GUARD SYSTEM. IT DOESN’T WORK, CAN’T HE GET THIS THOUGH HIS THICK HEAD. MILLER IS NOT A SHOOTER, GO NUGGETS

  • Zorba

    I actually like the fast paced game and think is ideal for this team, but the rotation sucks and it’s only GK’s fault… You can’t play the last quarter with all bigs benched… It’s just fuckin’ suicide…

  • Zorba

    The other point is that kk and McGee should play more minutes together as Kosta used to be a 4 with nice moves and shot from 4-5mt.

  • GeigerCounter

    14 out of 38.

  • Z

    Yes Blame chandler lol A.I. hates it in Denver wont be signing back anyway trade him trade Chandler he hates Denver just as much as the “So Call” fluke nuggets fans hate him. its really coach Karl at the end of the day nobody on the team likes playing for him. P.S. chandler didnt play against OKC that was his fault too huh? lol

  • Z

    notice a trend with the Grade system? lol nah never mind who cares trade everybody keep Gallo and Faried lol

  • googergieger

    Where do you want Chandler traded? He wants to start, so what team is going to start him right now? Raptors? Suns? Hornets? Bobcats? No play off team and up needs a good SF right now. He is good defensively and should only be guarding undersized four’s, three’s, and two’s. Offensively I can forgive some rustiness. Like that pass that went to no one when he and Brewer were running the break last night, or some blown opportunities at the rim in general. He does make things complicated on offense in general some times, and other times he really needs to pass the ball, but again, I can chalk that up to rustiness. I know he doesn’t want to play here or anywhere that won’t start him and play him for thirty minutes. So in that regard I say we do trade him. Problem is what can we get back that will be worth it? I think Iguodala needs structure. He doesn’t like the chaos and when the team isn’t winning and he isn’t doing anything to help, he really looks unhappy(but really no excuse for his FT’s). A few times now we’ve seen him give the bench/Karl that look when he goes two guard, and we know he is the only one who has called out our bad wins as bad wins, and had the balls to say, the Wolves loss could be great for us or we could keep doing the same things that led to that loss. I think he is smart enough to be a leader for this team, but he isn’t vocal or mean enough to be one. Nobody on this team is mean. Nobody on this team plays angry. Or like they have a thing to prove.

  • Z

    idk where Chandler gets traded too i just dont understand how all the teams problems get thrown to him, just blog life in Denver i guess everyone on the nuggets takes bad shots from time to time nobody but Ty did anything in the 2nd Half even the Savior Gallo. Faried gets abused on Defense by anybody with size or a post game

    • Jacob

      Come on man you should know by now Gallo gets a pass, no matter how bad he plays. Lol I agree with you, why does everyone hate Chandler so much, but love Gallo? Gallo kills possessions and while he isn’t terrible on D, people treat him like an all NBA defender, when he is really right about average. Chandler settles for poor jumpers less (still could get better there though) than Gallo and plays better D.

      • dynamo.joe

        See the problem is that is just a lie that you tell yourself. Chandler settles for way more mid-range jumpers, which we all know are the worst shot in basketball.

        If you look at the shot charts, Gallo is shooting 23% of his shots from mid-range this season.

        Since Chandler hasn’t played much in recent years I went back to the 2010-2011 season. In that season Chandler was shooting 31% of his shots from mid-range.

        I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Wilson Chandler is an above average NBA athlete who makes well below average decisions and it renders him an over-all below average NBA player.

        Also he has a freaky baby head popping out of his chest that I don’t like.

        • Jacob

          Only thing I like about Chandler is he tends to attack. I’m not a huge Chandler fan because yea his tats are weird and he does make some odd decisions, but he does have some talent.

  • Z

    Melo,J.R.,K. Mart,NeNe, coach Karl blew it with that team his run in Denver is coming to a end

  • googergieger

    Gallo tends to always gets graded poorly and called out for not going for twenty points on 80% shooting. Chandler was praised his first two games back. Da eff is wrong with you two?

  • CkWizard

    Lol good read on this board…..

    Perspective Igoudala is a worse player as a member of the Denver Nuggets than he was as a member of the 76ers why?

    Maybe it is the Coach…. Brewer is just as inconsistent on offense as Igoudala and not as sound on defense but in GKs system Brewer is the more valuable player. Igoudala is asked to play as the 2 to start the game and then 3 to finish. Gallo starts as 3 finishes as 4…. Miller is our closer wtf is this Baseball? GK is insane as previously mentioned if not insane he is CRAZY… GK says we need DEFESIVE stops to win games and then uses MILLER as his closer, GK thinks MILLER is a good defensive player that is the only way to match his stated strategy to his end game line ups…. If you think GK is not responsible then you also believe that MILLER is a good defensive player.

    I think MILLER is atrocious all most always on defense and that is why I blame GK for these types of games but it is just my opinion GK and the Nuggets front office obviously think MILLER can help the team get stops in close games that is why he was resigned….. Sometimes it is hard to admit that I am just a fan who knows nothing about good basketball(sarcasm ) in all seriousness please Free the Nuggets and stop allowing GK to hold this teams Talent Hostege.

  • googergieger

    Well for a little bit it looked like Golden State and Memphis were going to lose tonight. They didn’t. So, looks like we are going to have to start winning the games we shouldn’t even struggle in and win a few of the ones we aren’t supposed to win as well.

  • googergieger

    Will say this though. If it wasn’t for the refs, the Clips would be losing to the Wizards right now too. Ridiculous how much the refs baby Griffin and The Clips. At one point Joey Crawford actually gave The Clippers a warning instead of a technical on Blake. Faried once got a technical for saying, “and one”.

  • White Urkel

    TRADE! (Like a big one not a small one for a borderline role player cause this team is not close)

  • Duane

    I think the first problem with this team is they are trying to use an offensive system without enough shooters on the floor to make it work. If teams aren’t scared of your shooters, they pack the paint. If Denver had two deadly shooters on the floor at all times, their points in the paint would be even better than it is now, and that is impressive.

    How many times does the ball get kicked to Andre Miller and you know he can’t shoot the ball? Same thing with Iguodala…teams want him to shoot outside. Karl needs to get over himself and start giving guys that can shoot like Hamilton and Fournier a longer leash and try to give them some confidence so that the floor can get stretched and we can take advantage of the paint.

    I do think that the team has to make some kind of trade (Mozgov, Iguodala, Chandler or Gallo, Miller, Brewer in some combo) to get shooters in here.

  • Cephus

    Chris Anderson signed with the Heat today. I don’t know how much he’ll play or how well he will do but that guy loves the game. In terms of talent, I can’t argue he deserves to displace the three bigs, we have now.

    But Birdman’s whack & intense persona either on the bench or the floor gave the team a bit of comic relief when things got grim. Watching a bad game, sometimes the camera would cut to him with the gelled hair, tatts and practically drooling to get in the game to give it his all & I’d feel better for some ineffable reason. I wish him the best except when he plays us.

  • googergieger

    Well tonight’s loss won’t be on the players or Karl. 21 FT’s for OKC and 8 for us. A jump shooting team versus the team that leads the league by a good margin in paint points.