Rapid Reaction: Denver Nuggets 113 – Utah Jazz 96

After a slow start that left the Nuggets up only 5 at the half, a combination of Andre Iguoduala and Danilo Gallinari helped the Nuggets blowout the Jazz in Utah.  No starter played more than 33 minutes and six of the top eight Nuggets rotation players played under 30 minutes on the first night of a back to back.

Denver Nuggets 113 Final

Recap | Box Score

96 Utah Jazz
Danilo Gallinari, SF 33 MIN | 6-10 FG | 7-8 FT | 4 REB | 3 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 3 TO | 21 PTS | +8

As I posted on Twitter during the game, I feel like every game I recap is the same story with Gallo. He does virtually nothing in the first half, starts to get going a bit in the third quarter and scores five to seven points in the fourth quarter. It makes it really difficult to grade him at times, but his scoring binge in the second half (16 points) helped the Nuggets finally put the game away.

Kenneth Faried, SF 26 MIN | 8-10 FG | 3-5 FT | 8 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 2 BLK | 2 TO | 19 PTS | +10

Faried was absolutely dominant tonight, purely based on his energy and effort. He rebounded the ball well, flashed to the right spots in the paint and finished  something that he can struggle with at times. In a game where the team didn’t play great in the first half, Faried’s energy helped the Nuggets still get to halftime with a 5 point lead.

Kosta Koufos, C 24 MIN | 1-2 FG | 0-0 FT | 13 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 0 TO | 2 PTS | +15

Kosta’s work on the glass in a this game was incredibly impressive. In a game against a big team he was able to make Al Jefferson work for every shot and along with Faried helped keep the Jazz off the offensive glass. Thirteen rebounds in 24 minutes is just terrific.

Andre Miller, PG 27 MIN | 6-12 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 6 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 13 PTS | +18

Miller did what Miller normally does on offense, creating shots for himself and others. While all the shots he took weren’t great he still shot 50 percent from the field and knocked down a three and another long jumper. On the other end he did nothing that really stood out in hurting the Nuggets. The best part of the whole night though was the fact that he only had to play 27 minutes on the first night of a back-to-back.

Andre Iguodala, SG 32 MIN | 4-10 FG | 1-4 FT | 0 REB | 6 AST | 2 STL | 1 BLK | 3 TO | 10 PTS | +9

The boxscore will not show the impact that Iggy had on the game tonight. He played great minutes at point forward hitting cutter after cutter along the baseline, including Miller and Fournier on back-to-back possessions in the third quarter as the Nuggets pulled away. He had many more passes that turned into missed open shots and others that could be called hockey assists. On defense he was active in the passing lanes and running shooters off the line. It was just a great example of how much Iggy means to this team even with the struggles shooting the ball.

Anthony Randolph, PF 3 MIN | 0-0 FG | 4-4 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 4 PTS | -1

Incomplete, though he decked Alec Burks on a screen late in the game. It was the right basketball play but one that could lead to bad blood down the road.

Jordan Hamilton, SF 1 MIN | 0-0 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 0 PTS | -4


Quincy Miller, SF 1 MIN | 0-0 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 0 PTS | -4


Corey Brewer, SF 28 MIN | 4-7 FG | 5-6 FT | 3 REB | 2 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 14 PTS | +16

Like Faried, Brewer’s energy in the first half was one of the main reasons that the Nuggets were able to be ahead at the half. The biggest takeaway for me was that Miller refused to settle for the corner threes when he got the chance and instead attacked the basket hard as players closed out on him. He got to the line six times and into the paint a ton. On defense he was able to contain his gambling a bit, and did a great job running the Jazz shooters off the three point line which is an important part of beating them.

JaVale McGee, C 18 MIN | 1-3 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 2 BLK | 2 TO | 2 PTS | +10

JaVale was a defensive presence, made a bad decision on a 2-on-1 break and threw down an incredible alley-oop dunk. All in all it was a solid day for McGee.

Timofey Mozgov, C 2 MIN | 0-0 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 0 PTS | -1


Evan Fournier, SG 21 MIN | 7-9 FG | 3-3 FT | 2 REB | 2 AST | 3 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 18 PTS | -1

Another great night from Fournier, as he did all the little things he needed too. He attacked the basket and finished when he got there, played sound fundamental defense and was in complete control of the game. As Ty Lawson’s availability sits in question the recent play of Fournier is a very encouraging sign.

Wilson Chandler, SG 25 MIN | 4-10 FG | 1-2 FT | 4 REB | 3 AST | 0 STL | 2 BLK | 0 TO | 10 PTS | +10

Chandler settled for a bit too many jumpers for my liking but he did battle with Paul Millsap and even a bit with Al Jefferson in the post and held his own. It wasn’t a great night but there was nothing all that bad from Chandler either.

George Karl

Whatever Karl said at halftime worked incredibly. The Nuggets came out and just put the Jazz to bed, a difficult thing to do on the road against a team that is in a fight for the eighth and final playoff spot in the Western Conference. More importantly, Karl was able to keep the minutes on most of his rotation players pretty low going into tomorrow’s game against Dallas.

Two Things We Saw

  1. Urgency: The Nuggets came out in a road game against a team in the fight for the final playoff spot and flat out played harder than the Jazz did. It is an encouraging sign as the Nuggets fight for the three seed with a Clippers team that has played flat recently and a banged up Grizzlies team.
  2. Encouragement: Evan Fournier played great the other night against the Nets and followed it up with another great effort against the Jazz. He finally seems comfortable after floating through games earlier in the year and with Lawson being hurt, it is a great sign for the Nuggets that Fournier is seemingly able to be counted on.

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  • GB

    I think the Nuggets could win the West, even without Ty Lawson, IF:

    Faried, McGee, and Fournier get more burn.

    Miller and Brewer (maybe 10 min a game now) get less.

    And, George keeps a C on the floor AT ALL TIMES, Faried does not come close to counting. Every team, every game, closes leads or extends their own when we go small ball. Like clockwork, get killed on the glass on both ends, and they get to the basket so much easier without worrying about McGee blocking their shot or Koufos taking up space.

    If Karl can do this, it could happen.

    • CJP32

      So play 2 guys who continuously forget to rotate on D and get abused offensively, more playing time, plus a rookie who has played sparingly this season?

      And bring Dre and CBrew from 24 mpg down to 10 mpg?

      Not sure thats gonna happen – not with GK at least.

      Remember, Evan is playing more because Ty is injured. Its only temporarily with Playoffs around the corner. Maybe your theory will work next year?

      • GB

        Brewer’s minutes, without question, should be going to McGee and Faried (and Koufos). Maybe they miss some rotations, but overall, their defensive presence is much more important than Brewer’s. Watch how guys avoid the paint when McGee is out there. His bonehead plays are more than made up for by his good qualities. Apart from his occasional steals, Brewer’s team defense is garbage, and our small-ball lineup with Faried at C, Brewer and Chandler on the floor, we get hammered on the glass. This is not disputable.

        If Lawson is out for the playoffs, yes, Fournier should be getting more of Miller’s minutes. Rookie blah blah blah, if he plays like he has been, his efficiency on offense and team defense are important.

        • amlowlife

          “Brewer’s minutes, without question, should be going to McGee and Faried (and Koufos).”

          “Without question”? OK, I won’t question it but it’s wrong.

    • http://yahoo mile high

      Oh dear! If Karl does that, the Nuggets will fall to the 5th seed and get tossed in the first round in no time.

    • clive

      our small ball lineups actually have the best +/-

  • googergieger

    Great win. Everyone looked good tonight honestly. I mean a few lapses and such but everyone did seem to make a strong effort today. Miller was engaged on defense for most of the night, which shows that he can defend both one on one and as part of a team when he wants to. Gallo was a bit poor defensively at times but glad to see his offense was strong tonight. He should have had more points and free throw attempts as well. I know this was a decently officiated game considering it is in Utah where last time we played sixteen straight fouls were called on us and Iggy was ejected for talking to a team mate, but I really do hate the Utah refs.

  • Scott


    • theo

      Yep. Love what I’m seeing. Maybe he’s the ‘Faried’ find for this season.

  • Ban Johnson

    Nuggets aren’t going anywhere without Ty.

    However, this game convinced me that this period without him could be helpful. Nuggets shouldn’t need him speeding the ball up the court for everybody to run. Andre will throw it upcourt with the best of them, even if he can’t run himself.

    Manimal and Koufos dominated Utah’s bigs for at least the 2nd time this season. Nice to see Manimal back. I think he just gets tired sometimes. This off-time served him well.

    Nice to see Gallo get some swagger back. He’s been in a pretty bad slump. Get Ty back and this Gallo in the playoffs — Nuggets will be a terror.

    Fournier is a baller. He’s not the greatest athlete, but he moves with efficiency and purpose. It’d be great if the Nuggets could groom him as the backup pg/6th man.


      NUGGETS 2013-2014 without A.MILLER and IGGY ( he don’t love this city )
      Faried /Millsap

      • denver4ever

        lol what? Iggy doesn’t like Denver!? Better stop cheering for our Nuggets and root for your beloved Sixers.

      • Shane

        we don’t have a chance without Ig.

        • heykyleinsf


          Iggy is completely overrated.

          I don’t know what everyone thinks is
          so great about him.
          I’m looking forward to his departure
          to show everyone..

          Most of the same people last year were
          the exact freaking same thing with AAA.
          OH.. and KMart..
          “We got to find a way to keep KMart”

          Look at the losers they are now.


          same thing this year.

          “OH, We wouldn’t have a chance without Iggy.”

          Iggy is an upgrade.. but Fxxk him if he
          think’s he’s all that.

          I want to hurl.. so over rated…
          He’s good.. but it took HALF THE SEASON
          for him even to find his role here.
          He has been an integral piece..
          but not to this RIDICULOUS idea that we
          would be lost without him..

          Honestly.. I tend to hate the guy…
          JUST BECAUSE.. fans over rate him so much.

          GO AWAY IGGY.

          • denver4ever

            lol at this guy. if “Iggy is overrated” is what you think, might as well get the heck out of this page and root for your beloved Lakers.

            because Iggy is the reason why we’re great defensively. with iggy around, we have another playmaker who can make the offense more dynamic. yet, you are only looking at his shooting inconsistency, and his contract (which is not given by Masai but by the silly Sixers’ FO).

            so once again, go and cheer for your Los Angeles Lakers.

  • Tom

    Koufos outrebounded Jefferson and Millsap combined.

    The Fournicator with another near-career night. I admit I was disappointed when Masai drafted a guy I’d never heard of when Sullinger and PJ3 were still on the board, but I’ve been impressed recently. He might turn out to be a really nice pickup for that spot in the draft.

    • Matt

      you might want to have a different nickname for fournier, that ones not all that flattering.

      • mike

        what are you talking about? Fournicator SCREAMS class. When they end the season a thread of what Evan will do doing the summer should be started called: Evan’s Summer Fournication. And there should definitely be some signs around the Pepsi center for when he hits a big 3 or dunks on someone: You were warned about getting FOURNicated on.

        • trank

          maybe the guy’s got relationship going. and then you add some nickname.

        • JoelK

          Now wiping off my monitors… I guess I shouldn’t read this while drinking. Seriously, that was funny.

  • theo

    Once again, we can do this. Pretty exciting.

    Amazingly, we survived disastrous Dre Miller at the helm for the second straight blow out without Ty against hungry playoff teams. He was +18 tonight. Ironically, he was also +18 v San Antonio a couple of games ago when we lost by one at the very end in a great team effort. That was the same game, by the way, that Matt chose to selectively take 50 seconds of video out of to launch the YMCA crush fest we had here the other day. I’ll take the success on the court any day. You can keep your out of context 50 second video takes.

    • Snuggets

      Not much bad can be said about tonight. We pretty much put on a clinic in the Jazz’s house. Very fun to watch. That Miller lob to Faried from half court was nasty. You can tell Miller used to be a quarterback. He played some D tonight too. He’s holding down the position nicely without Lawson. You can take select snippets and put together pretty much whatever argument for or against any player you want.

    • Ckwizard

      WoW maybe just maybe Miller visited this sight and saw what Matt putt up because Miller put forth EFFORT this game on the defensive side of the ball which is all that would have been needed for ths team to win 60 games this season… But you know as long as fans like You are happy with close losses where “50 seconds” of EFFORT could have turned a one point loss into a WIN then Fans like me will continue to lavish criticism on players that reduce our favorite teams ceiling especially win that said player proves yes PROVES he can Play GOOD defense… Miller deserves an A+ this game did you see his close outs and that blocked Three point attempt No criticism tonight… Go Nuggets!!!

      • theo

        Yeah, I’m sure YMCA was motivated by Matt’s hack job.

        Nothing to do with this game but still steamed by the ‘Andre Miller Defense’ post and thread. Meant for the bloggers here, so no need for others to interrupt the celebration.

        Some constructive criticism to improve the site. If you’re going to make 50 second video takes that put players in the most unflattering light possible in order to defend your own grading of players, at least put them in context. No attempt to do that at all, so we ended up with the predictable and unfair feeding frenzy we had the other night. You threw red meat into the water for the usual suspects.

        If you’re going to bash YMCA for his defense—yes, it’s easy to bash—and take 50 seconds of video out of the SA game to make him look as bad as possible, at least mention he was plus 18 in that same game in a great team effort v SA. That’s called being fair. Again, grades are supposed to reflect the whole performance.

        For those interested in statistics and measurable facts, let me put YMCA’s performance in perspective. All the stats I mention are the best attempts by very bright people that love the game as much as any of us to capture overall performance and efficiency fairly. Those numbers include all the embarrassing defensive moments, the over the top offensive performances, etc. YMCA’s numbers, over 78 games—a comprehensive long sample, certainly longer than 50 seconds–include:

        PER: 15.9. Sixth best on the team and better than Iggy, Chandler, and Brewer. Iggy and Chandler are our best defenders but YMCA scores higher than either of them in overall efficiency and production.

        Net +/- ratings: +3.8. 4th best on the team behind Iggy, Gallo and Koufos.

        Simple Rating: +3.5. Third best on the team.

        Again, if you’re going to go in the Shaqtin’ A Fool direction with videos at least make some attempt to balance it and make it fair.

        • Dubs

          Someone’s a bit sour. Can you truly defend the sorry excuse for defense that millers been putting up this season. Go to another site if you can’t stand the posters. At least settle it on that post quit dragging the rest of us through the mud. Miller played solid tonight and deserved a good grade. Try to ignite flames elsewhere I’m tired of seeing it from the same people over and over

          • http://twitter.com/xantoniooo808x D3Ntilthe3ND

            Not to be disrespectful or anything, but this forum got a little worse when Theo started posting.

            I just don’t like how he thinks he’s so intelligent because of his vocabulary….

            He always tells people to argue their point “intelligently” & when they do he just deflects it. (go read the Andre defense post)

            Trying to have an argument with Theo i like arguing with a brick wall that has a dictionary.

            • googergieger

              Look it isn’t that rabbit is a troll, guys. He’s just, umm, I don’t know, I seem to handle him alright. Just challenge rabbit to argue the points you raise and to defend his arguments when he finally decides to address yours. Chances are he’ll continually make up new points no one ever raised to argue, or try to change the subject/argument into something new entirely, but just keep challenging him to address what you originally said. Eventually rabbit will either move onto easier prey, or be forced to get bettah!

              • http://twitter.com/xantoniooo808x D3Ntilthe3ND

                It’s a shame, I found this site around December & I was really enjoying the whole grading system it was new to me & I found it really interesting, but since he’s come on it’s just been no fun to post stuff.

                Hopefully he finds this post intelligent enough, I’d hate for Dr. Theo PhD to ask me for an intelligent response.

              • theo

                No, I’ll be staying here. Not one of you responded to the take. Back it up with facts, make an intelligent argument. Respond with an intelligent take to this post. I’m listening.

              • dynamo.joe

                You post advanced stats but ignore the fact that those stats have low correlation to winning.


                Above is a stat that does have a high correlation with winning. Andre Miller is 5th on the team (among players with actual minutes played).

                Win shares is similar and also has Miller 5th and correlates to wins.


                Of course all of this and your own argument above invalidate your previous argument that there is no point in discussing Andre Miller ‘because he’s just an old backup pg’.

              • Josh

                I’m with theo, while YMCA is frustrating at times you could do much worse for your backup PG than him.

            • SmokinNugs

              Dictionary? What words in his post are you struggling with? I read through theo’s post twice and didn’t find anything that would even dazzle a 7th grader. Come on man!

          • mike

            I think the grades for Iguodala and Miller tonight sum up the issues people have with those killing Miller here perfectly. Utah does not have a stellar offensive or defensive wing. Iguodala had a below average offensive night and above average defensive night. Miller played well for him on defense, and probably average overall and was good on offense. A- versus B.

            I will say it has been nice to see Karl usually getting credit or negative feedback based more on reality this last month or so. I guess Miller was just the next thing to gripe about (PS my two cents on Miller is that he is a below average defender overall with maddening tendency to loaf on Pick and Roll and not make good rotations on 3 pt shooters. But he also does some things very well: good hands for steals, anticipates moves/passes decently, digs on bigs especially on Offensive rebounds very well, Defensive rebounds pretty well. When you only focus on the negatives and ignore the positives, even if he is clearly an overall negative, it seems biased. And that is because it is OBVIOUSLY biased.

        • DH

          “Not one of you responded to the take. Back it up with facts, make an intelligent argument. Respond with an intelligent take to this post.”

          (sorry I couldn’t reply directly below your comment, but there’s no reply link there)

          I rarely comment at RMC any more, but just for the heck of it…

          First, I have no idea what your post has to do with today’s Rapid Reaction. Are you upset with Miller’s “B” grade and/or the associated comments? If so, what in particular bothers you? If not, why are you ranting about something that’s not applicable to the topic(s) presented? You can do what you like, but if you stop approaching everything with an agenda, you might get more respect and generate more meaningful dialog. Just my two cents.

          Also, let me state that I’m an Andre Miller fan. I think his contributions are essential for this team’s success. That said, his lack of effort on defense, at times, is inexcusable. If the writers take that into account when assigning grades, and if some readers don’t seem to understand what the writers are seeing, then it makes perfect sense to do an article with video documentation to clarify the position. There is no need to “balance things out”, as that is not the point of the post. Matt had a subject in mind and presented it – period.

          As for your statistics, maybe I’m misunderstanding what your intentions were. For starters, are you aware that PER is strictly an offensive “statistic”? If so, I don’t know what that has to do with Matt’s viewpoint. Also, McGee and Faried are our two “best” players according to PER. Each of them takes some hits for their defense. Following your logic, maybe you should be spending your time defending them instead of Miller?

          As for the +/- statistic, I’m not a fan of using it for individuals. With a large sample size, it has some meaning when used with 3, 4, or 5-man units, IMO. But when used for an individual, it tends to discount both who the player is playing with and who the player is playing against (for example, playing against bench players).

          As for the simple rating statistic, it is mostly a combination of PER and +/- so it doesn’t really add anything to the argument. Also, on the “Simple Ratings” page of 82games.com, they begin by saying, “While we never advocate reliance on ‘overall rating’ type metrics for players…” So even the site that displays the statistic realizes that it’s not much use for making a definitive argument regarding a particular player.

          Now that that’s out of the way, do you have any thoughts on the game that was played, or on any players without the initials “AM”? Just curious.

          • googergieger


        • Matt


          I typically do not respond to criticism because I understand this is part of the responsibilities I took on when I joined the site, but your recent comments have taken on a feeling of attacking my credibility so I will answer some of your questions here and then again step away and let people who disagree have their say.

          First of all in regards to your questions about the Lawson injury and why we do not have anything on it or are not breaking news. We all have actual paying jobs, so we cannot get to the team facilities and get actual comments from the medical staff, and that is even before taking into account Joel is in Japan and I am in NJ. Also we have no official word anywhere that the injury was misdiagnosed. What we do know is the Nuggets announced a bruised heel. How do we know that they did not purposely announce a wrong injury to see if Ty could recover enough to play and not give the real injury away around the league? Players play with this injury, Joakim Noah played an entire month with it. It all comes down to pain tolerance. So there really is not much for us to write without knowing more facts that we cannot get access too.

          Now onto the Dre piece. First of all how were any of the plays out of context. In each video I showed the play from the start until Dre’s mistake and then after. In a single instance when my contention is a player does not give good enough effort on multiple plays in a game having multiple plays from the start is enough context.

          Second for your contention that everyone has those moments. I took 5 plays from 3 quarters of one game. Yes everyone has them at times, in fact Andre Iguodala had one in the first quarter last night. But 5 plays in 3 quarters of a 1 point loss is a very big problem to me and not many players, if any at all, have it occur that often.

          Onto your stats. First of all single game plus minus is essentially useless. Take that game for instance. JaVale McGee was clearly the best Nugget that night and finished tied with Cory Brewer who shot 3-10 and just wasn’t very good.

          As for PER, it is very useful but mostly when looking at offensive performance as someone said. I have never doubted Dre’s usefulness of offense. He is very good most nights on that end both creating for himself and others. I have issues with his defense.

          As for your plus minus ratings the problem with them is the context that they are being taken in. Miller plays almost 49 percent of his minutes with Andre Iguodala on the floor. Iguodala has a defensive on/off court split of 5 points, which I would assume is one of the top in the league. If Dre shares the floor for almost half his minutes with Iggy the defensive on/off court numbers are obviously going to be tilted in his favor which would tilt net and simple ratings towards the positive side as well since he is so effective on offense.

          Also to your comments that he is just a backup point guard and he doesn’t matter to the Nuggets success so why are we talking about him. Right now Andre is the starting point guard. We do not know how long that will continue. It is important. Even when he comes off the bench he averages the fifth most minutes on the team and plays over half the 48 minutes per game. He matters.

          If you do not want to agree with my feelings on Miller then I have no problem with that. But the recent turn in your comments attacking not just mine but the other writers credibility by claiming we are only doing things to pander to people, speaking as if we do not understand the game of basketball and other things is crossing a line and turning many readers and commenters off. If it continues there will have to be repercussions.

          Thank you.


          • Snuggets

            Matt, last time I posted something in disagreement to the Miller article, Kalen came after me saying that I was a delusional, uninformed fan. Now, every single post has the writers on here either arguing with the fans, or trying to explain away their behavior. I don’t understand. The comments section is a place for us to add our opinion. Just cause we disagree with your take on an issue, does not make us uninformed, and before you go about saying posters like Theo are attacking, maybe you should look at the people who actually right for RBMC. Comments section should be a respectful place where fans can launch their own argument or disagreement without being swarmed by the curators. It’s just a little frustrating because it seems this whole Miller debacle has become a personal vendetta, a crusade to convince the non believers. It’s just conjecture and opinion and should stay as an open discusssion. I don’t appreciate being told I’m delusional when I disagree. You have the entire site as a forum to discuss what you want to discuss. Don’t take it too personally when people don’t agree. That is the nature of sports. That’s what makes us fans.

            • Tom

              >> “Don’t take it too personally when people don’t agree.”

              I assume this is the set of comments you’re referring to:


              I think it’s fair to say that calling Matt’s article “embarrassing” is not mere disagreement, it is making it personal. (IMO Kalen could have responded more calmly as well, rather than making his response personal as well.)

              • Snuggets

                As I explained moments later, Embarrassing was the wrong choice of words. Frustrating was what I meant. I think that’s far from telling someone they are delusional and are completely uninformed. That’s much more personal, especially when that judgement is made from somebody who writes for a site that I enjoy every day. I am an informed, dedicated fan, so yeah, it’s much more personal to make a judgement on my understanding of the game of basketball simply because I find a particular article to be in poor taste. That’s all. For the most part I love the analysis here, so it’s really not a big deal. Just frustrating.

            • googergieger

              When Matt made an article on Gallo about not being able to create his own shot and being reliant on others to do it, I disagreed with him, but I wasn’t a jerk about it. Granted I was somewhat condescending but not in a malicious way. You can disagree, but it is important to A) actually disagree by bringing up a counter point that makes sense in context to the argument that is being had and B) do so in a manner that isn’t disrespectful and totally reeking of a little kid arguing he is right because he is right.

            • Matt


              I never called anyone delusional or uninformed anywhere so I am not sure why this comment is directed at me. I saw Kalen’s comment and if I recall correctly he later apologized for it. As I have said multiple times including in the comment you responded too, I have no issue with people disagreeing with me. Discussion is what makes sports fun, in fact I moderate the Daily Dime Live chat almost every night and love it because it allows discussions. My response to Theo was because he has been making a lot of comments that are not just simple disagreement including the comment here calling my piece a hack job and claiming I only write articles that pander to people. To me anyone who reads and takes the time to comment on this site is more informed than the casual basketball fan or you would not be here. But things have taken turns recently from disagreements to what we write and into personal attacks. If anyone wants to talk more about Miller feel free to join me on DDL next time we have it (hopefully tonight) I will gladly have the discussion. I am just hoping to stop some of the things that commenters are claiming are turning them off from the site, which has been personal attacks against other commenters and the writers. That is all.

      • Tom

        I think you’ve identified the crux of the argument for everyone on RMC staff. We want to see this sort of effort from Andre Miller, and it’s infuriating when it’s missing in a close loss.

  • John

    Good win w/o Ty. Gallo made some shots which was nice to see. Also good to see Faried getting some buckets. I’ll admit I didn’t buy in to Fournier like others on RMC throughout the season, but he is showing that he has a very polished offensive game. If, God forbid, Ty missed the first few games of the playoffs, we would be very well off if we play like this. Keep in mind that our record w/o Ty is 5-1. However, if we can get Ty back before the playoffs we will easily make it through the first round. After that, I’m very confident we will hold our own against SAS or OKC. Be optimistic people, this Nuggets team is very capable of reaching the Finals. After that, it’s in God’s hands.

  • Tom2

    Has Fournier passed Hamilton now on the depth chart, or is it only because of positional need? The more I’ve learned about Fournier, the more I like that pick. When you’re picking late in the draft, you should draft for potential, and getting a smart, young kid who had already played a couple years professionally in Europe was a good move. If they didn’t like anyone at that pick, they could have also traded it for a higher pick in a different draft. Getting Quincy Miller in the 2nd round is also a potential steal. If any of these young potential-guys turn out, then the Nuggets will be able to trade or let walk older, more expensive guys without missing much.

    Seems like the Nuggets have a solid 9-man rotation with great injury replacements waiting in the wings. I wonder if Karl will shorten the rotation in the playoffs? I hope he sticks with what’s working, because many times the reserves outplay the starters.

  • Ban Johnson

    I’d be surprised if the playoff rotation were anything other than the usual 9:
    Ty, AI, Gallo, Faried, Koufos
    AM, Brewer, Chandler, McGee

    All those 9 guys bring crucial contributions. No reason to screw with it.

    Fournier and/or Hamilton can come in if the Nuggets badly need shooting for a stretch. Or if they’ve come out really flat for some reason.

    • Tom

      Likewise, Mozgov and/or Randolph can come in if the Nuggets need a big body to knock people around in the paint. Even Stone could potentially come in and play some quality minutes if other pgs are hurt or in foul trouble (say, Ty picks up his third just before halftime some game).

      IMO Quincy Miller is the only “project” on the roster who isn’t ready to play meaningful minutes in real NBA games. It’s pretty neat to have the luxury of a roster that goes 14 deep.

  • heykyleinsf

    good grades Matt..
    a little too generous for AI and JM tho…
    but a great overall team win..
    this is what we need until Ty comes
    back and guides us in.

    • Kasey

      Of course he was too generous with Iggy’s score according to you, since you always seem to have a problem with the man. I read this board often and see how you constantly criticize the man. I’m sure you would be happy if he leaves the team after he opts out.

      • heykyleinsf

        the answer is yes.

        See above a few comments.

        He’s a good player, but so over rated.

        Both in pay and in fan idolization.


        Would rather have Kyle Korver.

    • JB

      Yeah, I’m not sure that 2 points, 3 rebounds, 2 turnovers and 2 blocks is a solid game from your so-called future center. He looked like the bad JaVale tonight or is it Pierre?

      • googergieger

        He altered plenty of shots and Jefferson only tried one hook shot on him and missed. He had one bad play where he was fouled(still mad a bad decision but he was fouled) and the rest of the game he was fine.

        • Charliemyboy

          I agree. Sometimes the stats don’t tell the whole story. Count altered shots per game, hustle plays initiating turnovers, tips away… JaVale is playing hard and seems to be determined. Kufos is just so well based.

          • googergieger

            Koufos has a few things going for him, playing with Faried who will always get a lot of attention, playing with Gallo and Iguodala who are our two best defenders and intangible guys, and being grounded and playing within himself. That Spurs game, McGee didn’t try to do too much. Just stayed grounded and let the offense come to him and played sound D. If he did that every night, he’d more often than not get big stats for us but would also shut down the paint for us nightly.

  • AaronCAPS

    Evan Fournier’s Defense is so underrated. 5 Steals in the last 2 games hes player in, & I still haven’t seen any1 beat him down the lane ir even make Fournier look anywhere near bad. Maybe the Fournier pick isn’t so bad after all

  • Cephus

    Plantar Fascitis is said to be a year long malady, so it’s sweet to see Fournier step up. I don’t have delusions of grandeur of the chances this team going deep in the playoffs without Ty.

    But there’s a spark of hope if these types of performances from E.F., if he keeps opening up my eyes to his true potential. Ty’s ailment is long term & chronic, so win, lose or draw, the Nuggets need three viable point guards in the future.

    • John in LA

      I think that is why they were happy it was a complete tear versus a partial tear… there is now nothing to re-aggravate, or degrade… It’s done… completely torn… and because it is blown, it shouldn’t be the ongoing nagging injury that Nene had to endure.

      All Ty can do is wait for the soreness and swelling of the original injury to disappear and he should be good. At least as long as everything still feels stable.

      I have no knowledge of Ty’s specifics but there are several abductors and flexors in the area(arch)… and from reports, it appears he has “blown” the connective tissue near his heal, of one of them.

      Often this injury happens in conjunction with a heal spur that causes the irritation that leads to the tear. So you can see why there was the potential for a misdiagnose by the training/medical staff… especially since these guys(with the exception of that pussy Andrew Bynum) are constantly playing with some sort of pain

      With luck, Ty should be good by the Playoffs.

  • trank

    doesn’t alec burks have a very similar game to fournier?

    burks needs to be on a more freeform team

    • Dubs

      They definitely have a similar look on the court. I’d say burks is more fit to be used as a pg cause he seems to have better court vision at the moment. However, having watched Alec at Cu for a couple seasons I like the comparison. I’ve always thought burks would be a great fit on the nuggets as a sg/pg combo off the bench. If Fournier could fill that role he’d be filling our only noticeable need

      • googergieger

        Evan is more composed. Granted Karl has instilled more confidence in him than Corbine has for Burks, but still Evan doesn’t seem to get rattled easy and is really composed on the court.

  • tanium

    I’m Colorado born and raised and currently working in Utah. Went to the game tonight and let me tell you… there’s nothing better than beating the Jazz and pissing off their fans. Nugs looked good tonight, even without Ty. Let’s hope we keep up this level of play the rest of the regular season and into the playoffs.

    • amlowlife

      It was awesome to see the Nuggs fans in the stands at Energy Solution! Loved the “Drive of the Game” sign they held up after Iggy’s reverse dunk!!

    • Dan Lewis

      This comment is just awesome. Us Nuggets fans on the crappy side of the Rockies love seeing the team win over here. Keep it up!

  • ben

    Hey, can you guys at RMC write a post about what we do and dont know about ty’s injury? “A couple weeks” sounds optimistic to me, and Karl made it sound like magic was going to make him all better.

    • theo

      Don’t bother asking. These guys don’t have answers to the most relevant topic these days. They’re not journalists.

      The professional media here are the main issue. Again, the fans in any serious NBA city–Denver isn’t–would be demanding answers when your best player goes out because of a misdiagnosed injury that could cost the team a deep run in the playoffs. But again, Denver isn’t a serious NBA city.

      Let’s be honest. People here are more interested in how many Poppa John’s franchises Peyton Manning owns than in how many games out of the third seed we are.

      • googergieger

        This is a blog, you fucking mook. Might as well go on someone’s tumblr and curse them out for not holding Obama accountable and asking tough questions on the drone programs.

        • theo

          I’m not cursing anybody out. I guess you are. Ty’s injury is the biggest issue for us but nothing here at all. Too much to ask for the bloggers to at least address the issue?

          • googergieger

            What do you want rabbit? Commenter have talked about it. Ty was pissed about it. We’ve talked about how much of a free pass and indifferent pass the Denver media give Karl and the team in general. You want a blog post saying “Ty is more hurt than we thought, here is who is to blame?” Well they wouldn’t know who is to blame would they? Again, it’s a blog.

            • http://twitter.com/xantoniooo808x D3Ntilthe3ND

              “Don’t feed the trolls”, Googer. lol

              If you’re going to troll, Theo, at least be good at it..

              Here, check this out maybe it’ll help you.


            • theo

              Am I being threatened by a fellow poster? Wow, this just moved into the scary and bizarre. WTF?

              • http://twitter.com/xantoniooo808x D3Ntilthe3ND

                If that’s your idea of being threatened, then BOY do I feel bad for you.. lol

                Cashier: “Sir, your change is $1.47.”

                Theo the Great: “ARE YOU THREATENING ME!?”

              • googergieger

                Not one person here has ever threatened anyone. Not even when you had a bitch fit at me a week after the fact.

      • http://twitter.com/xantoniooo808x D3Ntilthe3ND

        Have some respect for “these guys”


        You don’t get to just sit here & bitch & bitch & bitch & bitch & bitch & bitch & bitch & bitch & bitch & bitch every time they say something that Theo The Great doesn’t agree with.

        • theo

          dude, calm down, make a take about the team or the season. Say something that moves the discussion ahead. wow.

          • theo

            Actually, I was threatened in a post that was withdrawn here and edited out because it was so over the top. Of course, the editor here kept my response to the threat online. Wow. This is fun. Jesus, some really crazy shit fuckers posting here.

            • http://twitter.com/xantoniooo808x D3Ntilthe3ND

              Uhhhh? I’ve never seen an instance of one of them pulling a post….

              I call BS.

      • Ryan

        Theo’s tantrums do get old. Most of us are grateful for the time and effort “these guys” put forth with videos and analysis pertaining to our favorite NBA team. It seems that all theo wants to do is criticize the bloggers, then act surprised when people get mad about it. Even when his point is proven invalid (Andre Miller did not turn to dust at the ripe old age of 37 by putting forth a modest effort on defense last night), he moves onto a new point of contention: Matt is smearing Miller’s good name by posting select clips that show him not trying on defense. What is Matt supposed to do? Put up video of every single instance? He stated numerous times in the article that these are just a few examples and that numerous other instances happen each game. You can disagree, theo, but do so in a manner that doesn’t come across as condescending, it does wonders for how people react to your comments.

        I do agree with theo that I wish Denver was a bit more of a basketball town. The crowds at Pepsi Center are full of casual fans that are more interested in tacos/free chips and guacamole than passionately cheering for their team. The Broncos will always be the main show in town, I just wish the Nuggets got a little more run based on how good they are…

    • Rxmart2

      His injury is nearly identical to Rip Hamiltons, full PF tear which is preferential to fascitis because it comes back more pain free. Rip was back on the court in 2 weeks but didn’t play for about 4. I have no idea when he comes back, but it looks to be between the last couple games of the season or somewhere in the first round.

      Here’s a decent link regarding the difference between a strain and a tear.


  • Dubs

    In the few videos I saw if Fournier post draft one of the first things I noticed was his very solid handle. But, if I had any idea he could perform spot duty or even primary backup pg duty I would have been far more impressed. I tried to hold judgement because I believe Masai has earned the leeway and I’m glad I did. I am very impressed he looks very smooth there. Gk played this card properly in my opinion.

  • http://twitter.com/xantoniooo808x D3Ntilthe3ND

    I’m pretty curious to find out what J-Ham did to get thrown in the doghouse.

    The thing I like about him is his rebounding.. people don’t often credit him for that, but he has a pretty good nose for the ball on the glass.

    • Ckwizard

      If I had to guess he probably decided to try and be more like the teams MVP! Hamilton probably decided to focus on his offense and not put forth effort on defense. Coached asked him why he was so insistent at focusing on offense when his coach told him defense will get him in the rotation? Hamilton replied “Coach I know you love Andre Miller and I decided to take his approach and save my legs for my superior offensive game” Coach said ” Defensive stops wins games ” Hamilton asked ” Then why is Miller the MVP of the team” Coach said ” we will try this again next season, you obviously don’t get it” Hamilton “sorry coach I just wanted to be loved”

      • http://twitter.com/xantoniooo808x D3Ntilthe3ND

        I wouldn’t doubt it.. haha

        I hope that should the worst case scenario happen (iggy & brewer leave) & we dont get Korver, that J-Ham gets a shot.

  • googergieger

    Alright, rabbit. Do you really want to play this game? Cause it seems most are on to your schtick, and I’d have no problem painting the entire picture for them and you?

    • http://twitter.com/xantoniooo808x D3Ntilthe3ND

      You know, no joke, I had a rabbit named Theo growing up… LMAO.

    • theo

      WTF? Wow, crazy shit people on this site. Oh well, onward. We’re on a roll and relevant things to talk about.

      • http://twitter.com/xantoniooo808x D3Ntilthe3ND

        Okay, so who said it? & what did they say?

        You know what? Don’t even reply already… I’m not wasting my time on you already…

        Final thought on you, you’re a troll from 4chan & you need to go back..

        Matt, Kalen, all of the editors, you guys are doing a good job & I appreciate all your work.. Just know that you’re always appreciated even though there are some people on here that like to troll for entertainment.

        GO NUGGETS.

        • Charliemyboy

          From an outside perspective there are people here who do not focus on what is happenng with the Nugs, but rather on their small egos, showing their childness. The language is who they are and what they say. Come on, grow up! People like that can not hold jobs.

  • googergieger

    Okay so rabbit wants to have an argument on Miller. For some reason he doesn’t want to have it on the other thread about Miller but fine. So breakdown of the argument and how it started.

    Some said, Miller is often lazy on defense.

    Rabbit said, you can’t expect Miller to shut down Westbrook at this age.

    Some said, nobody has ever said anything close to that. We just want to see a more consistent effort from him. Because when he wants to be, he can defend at an above average level. And he can still make the most basic of effort on the defensive end regardless.

    Rabbit said, show me proof of this laziness.

    Matt said he was working on something for that San Antonio game which showcases what happens with Miller often.

    Rabbit said, you can’t expect Miller to make an effort on team or help defense because he is old. Then rabbit said, Miller is too smart to waste energy on defense and saves his energy on offense.

    Now rabbit wants to argue, Miller is good in advanced stats. How dare anyone criticize Miller because of it. I dare you all to criticize Miller using advanced stats!

    So rabbit, this is the gist of it all. So what do you want? No one except a very few have ever said Miller is totally useless. Quite the opposite in fact. Majority say Miller is great when he accepts his role on this team and is engaged on both sides of the court. Much more damn near everyone gave him props for the couple of games he’s won us. He got his own post a while back for our first Indy game where he took over down the stretch.

    See rabbit, if you want to argue for the sake of it, it is important to argue what people actually say. Or at the very least if you are going to start your own topic of discussion where you want people to argue your point, you might want to make sure it is something people actually disagree with.

    • http://twitter.com/xantoniooo808x D3Ntilthe3ND

      Pretty much ^

      I’m gonna ignore the guy & just get back to how this site was before he came along.

      • toluenehawk

        theo makes Gainluca feel like a breath of fresh air.

  • Cephus

    Thx for medical link cc Ty, Rxmart2. I’m rooting for Paol to do well because if he can, so can Ty. Albeit Gasol’s game is not contingent on up & down floor speed. The rest of the Lakers can suck rocks – I’m still traumatized from how they annually mugged some pretty fair Doug Moe teams back in the day.


    GALLO is clutch this year …
    another FACT : Gallo vs Ovest >400% team is the best !!!
    remember VS MEMPHIS ( tie.break ) VS GOLDENSTATE vs HOU vs DALLAS vs LAKERS vs Utah vs Clippers ecc….

    • Zorba

      I’m sure you’re talking by experience so I believe you…

    • GIANLUCAreal

      fuck hater !
      my name is GIANLUCA no Gianluca ! shit

    • Asckerabiz

      u are a troll , you aren’t the real GIANLUCA

      • Gianluca4real

        you are so smart

  • stevesf47

    Go Nugs! It would be nice if the grizz could lose 1 lol…i want a little seperation. Schedule is tough here on out, just happy 5 of 7 left are at home. 2 are against Dallas who is also still fighting to get in. SA hopefully benches their studs :). Houston and Milwaukee are no cupcakes either. It’ll be interesting. 3 or 5 seed is what it looks like at this point. Come on boys, get that 3 seed!!!

    • amlowlife

      It’s imperative that the Nuggs beat Dallas tonight as that will help deflate them for the next meeting. I’d rather have Dallas in the playoffs than L.A. but since we play Dallas twice (and L.A. 0) I’m afraid we’re gonna have to knock dem boys out of the race…

  • Zorba

    What I’ve seen so far is that:
    1. All the players on the roster are important and can make the difference in different circumstances.
    2. None of the players on the roster is irreplaceable.
    3. You can’t find our depth in any other team in the NBA.
    4. If we keep playing at a fast pace I won’t be surprised if we reach the finals
    5. We must give GK credit for this.

  • Charliemyboy

    I’m just glad that character has prevailed; that George Karl is currently the best coach in the NBA. If he doesn’t win the title this year, sans injuries and losing any key players, I’d bet a retirement on a championship next year (well, mayby 25% of my retirement).

    • toluenehawk

      But don’t you think Spoelstra deserves CotY? I mean, his team has such a good record and everything.

      • googergieger

        The east is stupid easy.
        They had a stupid easy schedule.
        Lebron James.
        The east is really fucking stupid easy.

      • Charliemyboy

        I’m overly optimistic; the only team we haven’t beat IS Miami; but we should have. Then we play the other top teams and generally massacre them! It’s unreal, with no drive-by superheroes; just a plethora of balance, duty, camaraderie and top leadership. GK doesn’t care what others think; this is why we’re winning.

  • A.D.

    RMC! I call for a post as an analysis of Iggy and whether or not we’ve been using him to his full potential

  • http://yahoo.com prospector

    Faried and KK showed why they need more minutes together…… Last night again proved my justifyable anger regarding the two PG lineups… I have been screaming all season for IGGY to handle the ball…. And guess what??? It works……. LESS miller = GOOD…. If MILLER played defense with intelligence and passion I would not have a problem… I get that he is old and slow.. Just play defense using sound fundamentals.. Also don’t try to be BARKLEY in the paint with the ball.. However MORE IGGY & EVAN handling the ball the better…….


    JHAM did nothing wrong to get into the doghouse…. KARL hates young players and only plays them we he is forced to due to injuries or trade…. OK??? Jham need to just man up, and start playing agressive again… He let KARL mess his head up…. Props to EVAN for being mentally strong enough to handle KARL’s B/S… (however it’s easier for rookies to handle getting punked than 2 and 3 year guys)…. Memo to KARL, sometimes playing big in the backcourt is good… But guess what?? Once Lawson comes back, the same old 2 pg b/s will be back….. ALso CHANDLER needs more SF minutes ok??? If someone is a SF then play them most of their minutes at SF… OK… It’s OK to play a CENTER AND PF more than 10 minutes a game…. Again I love our team… I just want us to play big more, use IGGY’s ball handling skills more..

    • James

      Prospector, just curious, WHY are you on the JHam bandwagon so hard? (judging by past posts). I mean, they’ve won, what, 17 of the last 19, he’s obviously not better than anyone currently getting minutes, so why keep harping on the lack of playing time? Fact is, they just don’t need him playing, so I don’t get why it’s a big deal that he’s riding the pine. I assume you are not saying they’d have a better record if he was playing more?

      He’s a decent player who could get better, but he’s superfluous to this team at this point. They seem to be humming along quite nicely . . .

      • Ckwizard

        Why is it Obvious that Hamilton isn’t better than anyone in the rotation? It isn’t obvious to me, so you must be involved with the team to make such a statement.

        For instance do you think Faried is worthy of ring a starter? I do but I also believe based on how Karl coaches and treats players that if Nene and Harington were still on the team then Faried would be riding the pine with Hamilton BECAUSE KARL DOESN’T PLAY YOUNG PLAYERS UNLESS FORCED. Hamilton can play the two or three, he hustles and has had some athletic blocks this year, he rebounds better than a 6-10 Gallo, and Hamilton can shoot better than Brewer or Miller. Hamilton can also play defense better than Miller. The only reason Hamilton doesn’t play is because Brewer and Miller are on the team and Ujiri is a good GM that let’s his coach do his thing within reason.

        If Brewer is not on this team next year you will know that Ujiri doesn’t agree with your “obvious” statement, and then farther down the road if Hamilton is ever “obviously” better than Brewer ever was you will understand that for some People, Karl is viewed as playing favorites, holding double standards, and incapable of utilizing talent over experience. Right now for some people the reason Hamilton is on the bench has more to do with Karl’s love for certain people and his inability to trust talented young players.

        Nuggets are good yes but can they be better, some think so!

  • Z

    Gallo just hurt that knee didnt look good

  • mike

    and season, Gallo out and ty playing hurt means not enough talent.

  • Ban Johnson

    The basketball gods are not smiling on the Denver Nuggets. Nugs aren’t going anywhere without either their first or second options.

    Gallo’s knee buckled in a very unnatural, hyper-extended kind of way. Whether he tore anything is probably the big question. Doesn’t look good.

  • John in LA

    Now Gallo is down…. Crap.

  • googergieger

    Yeah we can handle Ty out in that first round, but Gallo is our best two way player. He’s our second best defender and our best offensive player even though he was in a slump. He was coming back to form too. Fuck. Hope he can come back from this. Even if it isn’t this year, hope he can come back and continue turning into the player he was turning into.

    Be nice if the team tried to win the game for them and having competent and fair refs would help, but at this point I’m just hoping for a sane schedule next year so stupid injuries like this won’t happen. If we had even a sane schedule this year and not the hardest one in twenty years, we could have actually used our depth and rested up some by now. Man, no real blame to go around for an injury like this I guess, but absolute crap schedule, an officiating bias that can be proven with the paint points compared to our free throw attempts, and I don’t know. Kid’s my favorite player. Just hope it isn’t too serious for him.

    • Ban Johnson

      the season is too damn long.

      Gallinari is just the latest in a long, long line of terrific players who weren’t built for the long-term attrition of the NBA.

      (Or it could just be a freak injury not at all related to fatigue or how he’s built, what do I know?)

      There are freaks like Stockton and Malone who had bodies made for playing 100+ games a season, but just as many great players who don’t.

      Whatever, it sure sucks to follow a team religiously for a season only to have it disintegrate right before the season starts.

      Well, if Ty comes back near 100%, WC and Fournier should be able to fill Gallo’s minutes… Denver still won’t really be a contender, but they might still win a round.