Rapid Reaction: Denver Nuggets 132 vs Houston Rockets 114

After falling behind by double digits early, the Nuggets turned up the energy and outworked a tired Rockets team, outscoring them by 28 points over the last three quarters to win easily.

Houston Rockets 114 Final

Recap | Box Score

132 Denver Nuggets
Kenneth Faried, SF 24 MIN | 6-10 FG | 1-2 FT | 6 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 3 BLK | 1 TO | 13 PTS | +12

Faried was in the middle of a bunch of spectacular plays tonight, including three great blocks and four dunks. When it came to the more mundane task of keeping the Rockets off of the offensive glass, he seemed a bit overmatched.

Kosta Koufos, C 20 MIN | 3-4 FG | 0-0 FT | 7 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 0 TO | 6 PTS | +3

Kosta was nearly invisible for most of the game, except for a short burst in the third quarter where he got underneath the defense for three straight layups. He rebounded at a pretty good rate, but was caught flatfooted on more than one Rockets putback.

Andre Miller, PG 31 MIN | 3-8 FG | 4-6 FT | 2 REB | 12 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 11 PTS | +1

Andre came out of the gate sluggish, standing around on both defense and offense. As the game went on, he started exploiting gaps in the Rockets defense on behalf of himself and his teammates, eventually finishing with a whopping twelve assists on a variety of nice passes.

Wilson Chandler, SG 30 MIN | 9-15 FG | 0-1 FT | 6 REB | 3 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 21 PTS | +21

In the absence of Danilo Gallinari, Chandler got the nod in the starting lineup, and he did not let the team down. He stretched the floor with solid three point shooting and was also solid from midrange. His defensive versatility was on full display, as he came up with stops against everyone from Harden to Asik.

Andre Iguodala, SG 37 MIN | 7-13 FG | 2-3 FT | 7 REB | 14 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 18 PTS | +14

Iguodala held all-star James Harden to fewer field goals than turnovers, and nearly had a triple double himself. He was making positive plays all over the court, including a beautiful steal that led to a highlight-reel lob to Faried. Even accounting for two airballed three pointers, I can’t give him anything less than an A+.

Anthony Randolph, PF 22 MIN | 7-10 FG | 0-2 FT | 7 REB | 1 AST | 4 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 14 PTS | +3

Randolph’s first half performance consisted of a goaltend, a layup, and little else. Late in the fourth quarter he shot an airball from behind the arc. But in between those two bad performances was a pretty good ten minute stretch of solid defense, good rebounding, and some nice dunks.

Corey Brewer, SF 29 MIN | 7-16 FG | 6-7 FT | 2 REB | 3 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 22 PTS | +23

Corey Brewer came into the game and promptly shot an airball. Then he proceeded to do nearly everything right from there on out. He scored in transition, got to the rim in the halfcourt, made a couple of three pointers, and even drew a pair of offensive fouls on Terrence Jones and James Harden when the rest of the team seemed frustrated with the officiating.

Jordan Hamilton, SF 5 MIN | 1-2 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 2 PTS | -4

Incomplete

Quincy Miller, SF 3 MIN | 1-3 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 2 PTS | -7

Incomplete

JaVale McGee, C 9 MIN | 3-4 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 6 PTS | +11

JaVale brought pretty good energy when he came into the game. One dunk had Altitude TV’s commentators exclaiming “by the bearded Zeus, that was nasty!” By the time he left the game midway through the second quarter, he looked completely winded, and did not return.

Timofey Mozgov, C 7 MIN | 0-0 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 0 PTS | -7

Incomplete

Evan Fournier, SG 23 MIN | 7-14 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 5 AST | 3 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 17 PTS | +20

Along with Brewer, Fournier sparked the two key runs this game: late in the first quarter to cut into a double digit deficit, and late in the third quarter to push the lead to nearly twenty. He twice took rebounds away from bigger Rockets players. His shooting was fantastic until a series of heat checks late in garbage time. Despite being whistled for five fouls, his defense was fairly good as well.

George Karl

Early in the game, when the team was getting frustrated by the officiating, coach Karl kept his calm. He put in his energy guys, the team played through some adversity, and pretty soon it was the Rockets who were frustrated and worn out. Good coaching helped the shorthanded Nuggets to a double digit win over a potential playoff opponent tonight.

  • http://twitter.com/xantoniooo808x D3Ntilthe3ND

    That unit of Quincy, Mozzy, etc. could probably make the playoffs.

    • ryanvdonk

      in the east for sure

  • Scott

    I learned today that Masai Ujiri is a genious… Fournier is the next Ginobili. The kid is a stud.

    I have a great feeling about this team even without Gallo. We can sill win. And Ty was doing some small running today and said he hopes to be ready in 2 weeks… Great news.

    Also I am so glad I get to watch NUGGETS basketball because there is no doubt we are the most exiting team in the league. Who wants to watch a team where for a FULL QUARTER they score all of their points off of threes and free throws?

    • mike

      It’s a little early to compare him to a HOFer, but he has some of the drive elements of both ginobili and Parker. I assume he watched a lot of spurs over the last 10 years since parker is the Michael Jordan of French basketball. He’s got a really good shot. He’ll have to develop some to become a distributor in the vein of Ginobili. But he is aggressive, strong and inventive. He’s going to be fun though. The scouting and development staff for this team is pretty stellar. Jordan Hamilton may be the guy with the most talent on the team. I think he will likely end up like JR Smith and Crawford, as a backup scorer because he doesn’t seem to have the control of his game or a sense of playing within a system. He has the tools to become an all star though. He could be the SG equivalent of Melo. It will be interesting to see if they can ever crack that for him.

      • Jeff

        It’s a little too early to call Ginobili a HOFer ;) But I agree nobody wants to play the Lakers/refs in the playoffs. Warriors would be a fun series.

        • googergieger

          His career overseas and career in the NBA will get him into the HOF.

          • Jeff

            2 years in the Euroleague, has never averaged 20 in the NBA. Great player in any case.

            • googergieger

              Olympics.

      • Cory

        Gotta love our teams potential all around lol

      • john mclaughlin

        Fournier is going to be a great player. He looks like a great distributor to me. I would only really quibble with one of your comments. Are you referring to Ginobli as a hall of famer? I doubt it. I really can only think of one sixth man in the hall of fame (although I am sure there are more) and he is John Havlicek.

    • al68

      Estamos locos? Fournier estos partidos los ha jugado muy bien, pero hay que tener en cuenta que es un tipo totalmente desconocido para casi todo el mundo en USA, le han dejado jugar muy suelto el día que comiencen a defenderle sabiendo lo que puede hacer ya veremos.
      Respecto a la eurolaegue no la ha jugado el Poitiers, es más casi desciende el año pasado de no ser por Evan (este año creo que son últimos).
      Tampoco es que la liga francesa sea la italiana o la española, es bastante inferior. Aunque eso no quiere decir nada Nowitzki fue descartado por el barcelona y paso directamente de la 2ª division alemana a la NBA y se ha convertido en el mejor europeo de la historia.
      Por eso yo creo que hay que esperar y ver como se desenvuelve en PO que las defensas seran más fuertes y a ningún jugador se le deja jugar abierto.

    • Kyle

      Funny. My friend said the same thing about Fournier. Kid looks good. We can probably win without Gallo cause of our depth on the wings. We need Ty back to have a shot though. Im excited for this team.

  • Fraser

    Gee that was close to a perfect game!

  • heykyleinsf

    IGGY… A+ to the 1000th power!

    seeing him emasculate James Harden
    then the circus move and oop to manimal…
    May be the season highlight for me!

    BAD TIME TO GIVE UP ON THESE GUYS!!!

  • Nathan

    Well, there was a lot of sloppy play in garbage time. Some of it can slide considering the game was over by then, but the bench players need to take their opportunities seriously to get ready for the playoffs. We have had some key injuries- our bench needs to be ready to fill in if necessary.

    It was nice watching guys play who never get a chance, so we can get a better grasp of what each is capable of.

  • googergieger

    Needed that win and in that fashion. Houston is a great match up for us. Hope this doesn’t make us overconfident but confident and aggressive going forward. Little bit of bad from some but mostly everyone had a great game. Wondering why McGee got so little minutes. Is he hurt too? Or was it just the match up? Next up we face The Spurs. Part of me thinks they are purposely going after the two seed to avoid the Lakers. So maybe they’ll rest up some of their better players for the game. Hope the Javale that showed up for last Spurs game shows up and that Karl plays him. Thought he did great tonight in his limited minutes. Anyways yeah, great win. Needed a reason to cheer. Four days off. Can’t wait till then.

    Do hope Houston gets the sixth seed though. We just match up really really well with them.

    • http://twitter.com/xantoniooo808x D3Ntilthe3ND

      I think GK just wanted Randolph to get some minutes since he’s gonna be the one filling in for Gallo the rest of the way.

    • Ryan

      I’m with you about McGee, strange that he only got 9 minutes. We’ll learn a lot about this team on Wednesday, tough to take much from this game because the other team chose not to play defense. Once the FTs evened out a bit, it was all over. The 3 seed looks pretty juicy, though it will probably be Golden State at this point. Only things that worry me about them are our poor 3-pt defense and the fact that David Lee works Faried like a rented mule whenever they match up. We have WAY too much firepower for them to win 4 out of 7 games against us though. Spurs are smart, not worth playing the Lakers, as it doesn’t matter how much better you are than them, playing 5 on 8 is hard for any team. Ask Memphis about that yesterday. Good to see an inspired effort in the wake of gloom. Go Nuggets!!

    • john

      We would sweep Houston. Frankly, after watching that game I have no idea how that team is going to be in the playoffs. They do not play defense at all.

      • googergieger

        Well the Houston Harden and other guys get about a jillion free throws a game. Three pointers and free throws is basically Houston’s game. I’d put money on Harden not being considered an all star if free throws didn’t exist.

  • CJP32

    Great team win, and most points scored this season without Gallo and Ty.

    CBrew, Evan and Randolph did great off the bench

    Chandler heated up in the 2nd half. Iggy was awesome

    Harden was horrible after the 1st qtr.

    Great win

  • codizzle

    important to remember that this was houston’s second of a road back-to-back.

    that said, Nuggets eviscerated Rockets. awesome to see.

    AI is going to step up and fill some holes with Gallo and Lawson out.

    this is the by far the best season i’ve seen since becoming an avid Nuggets fan in 2000.

    • heykyleinsf

      it’s important to also consider..
      this was our 3rd game in 4 nights.
      We just lost our 2nd best player.

      Take nothing .. whatsoever..
      away from this team.

      You can’t.

    • googergieger

      4-0 sweep this year.

      • Cory

        That’s right baby!

      • heykyleinsf

        I think that 4-0 is understated in importance.

        Look how dangerous and explosive the Rockets have been this year..
        we stopped their own little win streak.. down our two best scorers.. blew them out of the building.

        That’s a powerful statement.

        I could bitch and look at the sloppy 4th..
        wait a minute.. are you freaking kidding me???
        THAT GAME WAS AWESOME!!!

        • me

          you are right, I mean even the spurs couldn’t catch up the rickets, or the thunder in one game I think but 4-0 is impressive

  • heykyleinsf

    I think as obvious as it was that this was a night of offense..

    when it counted.. Nugs played inspired defense..
    that’s lost in the stat line and the concession buckets..
    but I saw fire and aggression in full court fashion.

    The most complete win I think of the year.
    AND..
    what a time to get confidence up.

    We don’t have a chance without Lawson and Gallo?
    Try telling that to Miller, Wilson, Iggy, Evan, Manimal
    and this whole team. I’m not going anywhere.. and
    maybe.. I believe more than ever!!!

  • GB

    The half-court offense has gotten much more dynamic and cohesive since Ty went out…similar to Boston when Rondo got hurt, likewise, I think everyone else relied on Ty to push the pace and get things going, now every guy is putting it on his shoulders to move the ball and take good shots. I don’t see any reason this team couldn’t win the West.

    Fournier is insane, seems to make the right decision every time, and quickly too.

  • Mark from Charlotte

    Good win tonight. E94 and Brewer came to play tonight. Iggy needs to play more point guard.

    • john

      Man, I like the Iggy and Fournier backcourt. That is a big, physical backcourt with two great distributors, one of whom can shoot the lights out. And the other is the best one on one defender in the league. If Iggy stays on the team, Fournier will still get thirty minutes a night next year backing up both Ty and Iggy. I think we will just have a three guard rotation and maybe see them play all three together at times. Fournier’s ascension has certainly made Andre Miller expendable next season. And it would take a little bit of sting away from losing Iggy if another team makes him a ridiculous offer the Nuggets can’t match. I really think Iggy knows, though, that this team’s style allows him to flourish and that he also would be joining a young team with as good a chance to win as anywhere.

      • me

        ok Iggy is not the best on ball defender in the league but he’s great on defense for sure

  • Chris F

    I think McGee must of said something about his PT, because he didn’t play at all in the second half.
    great win !!

  • JohnDenver

    Wow.Great game. Gee, I think Randolph is gonna play a big part post season.

  • RonKearns

    I wonder how many teams would drop 132 against another playoff team while missing their top two scorers? The mighty Lakers? Randolph and Fournier look like the real deal. It’s scary when they all click at the same time.

  • Cory

    If this is the AI we get in the playoffs, with a healthy Lawson, And everybody playing like they are then we still have a chance to win this thing…..although Gallo will be missed.

  • ny nugs fan

    props must go to coach karl and the coaching staff

    i cant see how coach karl isnt coach of the year

    • Cory

      That’s what I’m saying Spoelstra is getting more attention because LeBron James is having a career year. Pop is gerting consideration too because his team gets credit for being old and still good but enough cannot be said about how GeorgeKarl is running a squad.

      • john

        If Spoelstra wins coach of the year, the entire award is a JOKE! He has such ridiculous talent that he should be fired in any year they don’t win 58 or more games. When I see him on interviews he comes across as an accidental tourist that just happened to find himself luck enough to coach a great team. And Pop is a great coach, but has he done something this year particularly different than what he and his team have done for the last decade? This year’s Nuggets team is rewriting the book. No allstars on a 55+ win team?! If George Karl doesn’t win it, they should throw out the stupid award completely. And I haven’t really been a big Karl supporter over the years. But this is an entirely new take on NBA basketball, at least in recent decades.

  • Ckwizard

    First quarter was irritating, rest of game was… Well an ass kicking by the ” rest of the Nuggets.” The talent argument will be settled soon but as it stands this team is still 10 deep!!! That is insane to have such skilled players just waiting for a chance. I know I have said it before but now with Gallo and Ty out ths team can keep getting better and maybe the team learning to play without Ty will be a blessing in disguise for when Ty returns!

    • ryanvdonk

      people hitting open 3s would help a ton, Ty gets in the lane so easily that if brew and wilson are actually threats then the lane wont collapse so much…and ty has always been good at finding open wings, just ends up with a lot of bricks and hockey assists.

  • Cory

    Googergeiger are you encouraged to see this Andre Iguodala stepping up?

    • googergieger

      Always been a fan of Iggy. Mostly his defense. Don’t even need him to score twenty, filling the stat sheet like he does and anchoring our defense is good enough. But yeah him being aggressive on offense is a good sign. Loved his post game interview. Can’t be happy or content. Have to keep trying to get better and go into the playoffs with good habits and energy.

      • heykyleinsf

        To me..
        this was Iggy’s best game of the season by a long shot.

        Just seeing him in motion.. you knew.. he was feeling it.

        He still shot an airball.. was a little tentative in cases..
        but another three minutes.. Triple Double.

        THIS was the kind of game that if he played routinely..
        would have me.. of all people.. at the top of his fanclub.

        He was legendary tonight. I don’t expect that every night..
        but I was blown away.. and hope it’s just the beginning.

  • theo

    Once again, Phi Beta Nugga, Kalen. Just the right tone and length from each poster. Funny how that works out. At least give the dummies here that think the post isn’t rigged some subtle heads up.

    • Jeff

      What are you talking about?

      • Ryan

        Agreed. I have no idea what he’s talking about either. Aiming thinly-veiled slights at Kalen, even though he had nothing to do with this thread. Not gonna read too much into it, too happy about the win to care!

  • Ryan

    Remaining schedule: vs SA, @ Dallas, vs Portland, @ Milwaukee, vs Phoenix….. If they can find a way to beat the Spurs, the remainder of the games should be winnable. Portland and Phoenix are in full-on tank mode and Dallas is essentially out of it as well. Milwaukee may be tough as it is a road back-to-back and they might be battling with the Celtics to avoid the dreaded 8 seed in the east. Still, pretty crazy that they have a reasonable shot at 58 wins…

  • John in LA

    I think that Karl is trying to get AntRand to calm down while he can… The guy is just excited to prove that he can play… hence the couple of poor decisions and shot selection. He did some nice stuff too… see the 4 steals. I think Randolph thinks he is a 3, and George is slowly trying to break him of that… get him solid at 4 and then maybe he can eventually progress to a stretch 4, but he def. doesn’t need to handle the ball as much as he does. I’ll give him props though… when he does have the ball he doesn’t get the JaVale/JR Smith black hole blinders that don’t allow him to ever pass the ball.

  • park hill

    I wish Gallo the best. I’ll admit, every time he went to the whole I winced. Hopefully he’ll come back and develop a post game and learn to go to the whole with two feet more often.

    As I said at the beginning of the year, Karl wears out 8 guys a year and Gallo shouldn’t be one. He has a lot of miles on those young legs. I see his injury as a fatigue injury, plain and simple. That injury is attributed to all the minutes AR, JHAM and Mozzy didn’t get throughout the year.

    With all that said, Gallo was the one player on this team that you could say was somewhat overrated. We’ll be fine, and hopefully Karl is FORCED to play more people. You CANNOT run and gun all year and be positioned to win the playoffs by playing 8, maybe 9 people.

    I’d rather go into the playoffs as a 5 seed with 10-11 guys knowing their role and the team gelling than going in with a tired 8 guys and a top seed.

    Too bad it took losing our two best players for AI to realize he was a compulsive passer.

    KK has lost his confidence a bit, that hook shot has played out. He needs to find his head fakes and aggressiveness.

    We will have a chance as long as our bench doesn’t shrink and GK doesn’t start overcoaching and losing confidence in his bench. In order to run this system properly, he must trust 9 guys. Isn’t that why their on the damn team?

    • park hill

      I meant our two best scorers, not necessarily players.

    • googergieger

      How was he overrated? People say he is a spot up shooter that is streaky. Even so called Denver fans. Considering he is one of the better two way players in the league(and the best one on this team) I’d say that means he is underrated.

      • Ckwizard

        Agreed Gallo was if anything underrated… Nuggets will be okay with out him because they still have Igoudala but people don’t realize that it was Gallo’s defense at allowed us to match up so well with the thunder… I am amazed how much fans don’t appreciate solid defense. Gallo could switch onto any player and hold his own, I am shocked that people don’t realize Gallo was very effective against the top two scorers in the league this year, both Durant and Melo know Gallo is more than a spot up shooter!

        I really really hope that Igoudala comes back because with the evolution of Fournier the lineup of Fournier, Igoudala, Gallo, Chandler, and McGee would down right be nasty on BOTH ends of the court and especially Defensively if McGee can continue to develope solid Fundementals.

        Gallo makes any lineup better because as you say he is Denver’s best two way player.

      • Park Hill

        C’mon, don’t act like the attractive kid from Italy won’t have some hype surrounding his name. This is why Ill Will though he would have to play elsewhere at first to get a shot. I’m glad Masai and GK showed him that’s not the case.

        I did say “somewhat” overrated. We wouldn’t be where we are w/out Gallo, no doubt. But the loss of other players would be as significant but less obvious at first. I hope he gets some well deserved rest, gets his head together from that nasty injury and comes back this time next year showing out.

        Corey tore a ligament too, so its good he’ll have a teammate to talk to.

    • Jeff

      I agree, Gallo gets gassed late in the season. He has bulked up since he came into the league, which helps him defend bigger players, but he doesn’t really carry it well. Especially on a fast paced team that plays at altitude.

      • Park Hill

        Agreed, the kid has been a pro for like 10 years or something.

        The reason he can run with us despite his athleticism is his passing skills and general IQ. He is much better in the open floor as a facilitator than Ill Will and Brewer, Fournier right now too – not for long though.

    • trank

      gallo got less minutes than most starters in the league

      and i think he got about 30 the night before.

    • Ackdog

      I am one that agrees that Gallo is overrated. Is he above average at anything besides the pick and pop??? He is a decent defender but time will show that Chandler at the 3 can be just as effective. Chandler also has a low post game with his back to the basket that Gallo does not have. I also believe that Chandler and possibly Randolph are more athletic than Gallo. These of course are just my opinions. They do not make me racist. I also believe that Evan Fournier will be a beast in this league. He to may be more athletic than Gallo.

      • Park Hill

        There is no doubt AR is more athletic than Gallo.

        Gallo earned his credibility this year but when I say “somewhat” overrated I’m referencing the natural hype that has accompanied Gallo since NY.

        I think we have this live and die thing with Gallo. We went to him and make him the focus of the O even if his having an off night. We’re too deep for bs like that.

        I still like him for the final shot more often than not. I’d also like to see GK groom Ill Will for some late game heroics.

  • Ban Johnson

    Fournier is amazingly composed for his age. You know how few guys at age 20 can step on to an NBA court and play that smart and efficiently in their first substantial minutes? Another home run from MU.

    Iguodala looked like…a legend tonight. Holy cow. Totally in the flow. Hopefully it doesn’t take both Ty and Gallo being shelved for it to happen.

    How many times this season have we seen Corey Brewer spark the Nuggets to life? It’s uncanny. Sign that guy!

    • heykyleinsf

      People don’t talk about it..
      but maybe it’s time.

      Nuggets have an unbelievable wealth of young talent.
      Even Gallo is only 24.

      We could be talking DYNASTY.
      I don’t see why not.

      Watch the Lakers, Knicks, Celtics and Heat..
      their window will close..
      Even Chris Andersen is a key player for the Heat..
      nearing his mid 30s.

      We’re just getting started.
      We’re stacked at every position..
      plus.. we have the draft picks to still happen..
      if we keep doing like this..
      WOW.

  • Jeff

    Kind of irrelevant but I think Mozgov is the only player on the roster I really don’t like. He can do some things but I just hate big men with stone hands!

    • John in LA

      Actually… I think he has pretty good hands, but his timing is off since he only plays 1 minute every 47 years…

      The reality is he is a better player than McGee. Better shooter, better passer, better rebounder, better defender, bigger and more physical. The only thing McGee has is blocks… and minus McGee’s 3 spectacular plays per game, which get the crowd into it…. I would rather Mozzy played…

      Simply put, McGee has completely reached his limit and will not improve. He has the physical gifts to be one of the top 3 Centers in the NBA, but doesn’t have the mindset to do so. Call it ADHD if you want, but he lacks focus and determination to be great. Instead he worries about getting himself a Reality TV show…

      I guarantee some team offers Mozzy 4 years and at least 5, maybe up to 8 million per year this summer, and the Nuggets won’t be able to match it.

      We’ll be stuck with JaVale, who jumps at every ball fake, and not only doesn’t get the block, but lands so far out of bounds that he has no chance at a rebound either. At least when Bird did it, he could stay in the play.

      Also, I love how Mozzy made sure Q Miller got a basket rather than taking his own shot at the end of the game… team player. McGee not so much… should be MeGee…

      • John in LA

        I’ll clarify better defender… Mozzy is a better “man to man” defender… JaVale is a better “help” defender…

      • Fraser

        Yikes man you’ve really got it in for McGee! McGee STILL has unlimited potential – because no one in the league possesses the physical gifts he has! He is so far from his ceiling it isn’t funny!

        And the reality show is about Pam McGee, not JaVale… and I bet JaVale sure as hell wasn’t “worried about getting himself a TV show!”

        • John in LA

          OK Fraser here is the show…. “OWN has ordered a reality series called Millionaire Mama’s Boy based around enigmatic Denver Nuggets center JaVale McGee and his mother/business manager/former basketball player/confidant Pamela McGee.” Care to explain how this is not about JaVale, I mean look at the friggin’ title… It is not Millionaire’s Mama….

          I agree that Mozzy doesn’t have GREAT hands… but they are every bit as good as Kosta and JaVale… which means average for a center.

          All and all I’m not really PRO Mozzy and ANTI JaVale…. I think they are both mediocre, I just tire of the constant lunacy surrounding JaVale. He will not improve… he hasn’t in 5 seasons why should he now… and before you say it No… I don’t think he has improved under Karl’s tutelage… he just has half as much time per game to F#$% up, and gets to play more minutes against second tier talent.

          I love what he can do and could do, but hate what he usually does.

          Look at his post moves… he starts 3 feet from the basket, makes an awkward spin, takes 3 steps and ends 17 feet from the iron to take a hook that more often than not misses everything.

          Everybody is welcome to their own opinions about players… I just refuse to drink the Kool-Aid on this guy… I think he is a 15 min per game/$6 million dollar guy. I really hope he proves me wrong. He won’t, but I wish he would.

          • heykyleinsf

            I agree and I disagree..
            there might be a ceiling.. you may be right..
            in the mental aspect.

            But the physical.. I think is really untapped.
            Basketball is probably.. along with hockey..
            the most instinctual sport among the big four..

            I would say baseball is most cerebral..
            strategic and deliberate..
            Then football.. depending on what position..
            but it’s a lot of choreography.

            Basketball and hockey are more fluid by nature
            while in baseball and football stop action between
            changing of offense and defense.. except turnovers
            in football to an extent.

            What I’m trying to say is..
            I think McGee has room to grow just in
            maturing by repetition.
            The physical gifts are monstrous.
            The mental gaffes are at times more than frustrating.
            But I think McGee started maturing before our eyes
            this very season.. if you ask me.. it was by far his best.

            I will take JaVale over Mozzy.
            JaVale is more fluid..

            • dynamo.joe

              “JaVale is more fluid”

              This is what I think you guys mean when you say Gallo isn’t athletic. Cuz Gallo isn’t fluid. He makes things look difficult.

              • heykyleinsf

                I totally disagree.. and I meant between JaVale and Mozzy..
                nothing else..

                but still.

                Gallo is streaky.. when he’s hot..
                almost nobody is better.
                Think impossible 3 pointers to win games
                and behind the back layups…
                The dude is fluid.

                I don’t agree with you.. nothing new there though.

      • Jeff

        Mozgov had bad hands last year when he was the starting center. You don’t like McGee, I don’t like Mozgov.

        • heykyleinsf

          OMG… Mozzy had the longest learning curve and grace period in history.. GK really had me down there.. Half the season went by.. Mossy ( I like that better than Mozzy.. he don’t move)
          Mossy still not getting it.. but still starting!!
          I remember JR being yanked for missing a jump shot.

          Seems like GK has finally found some fairness..
          which is integral to the success of this team.

  • will

    I guess players’ ppg doesn’t translate into that much given that we scored the most the whole year without our top two scorers. Gallo was shooting pretty poorly though – maybe the Nuggets won’t miss him too much. If there was one player who reminded me a bit of Melo on offense, it was Gallo.

    • heykyleinsf

      Gallo offered a lot more than offense.
      Leadership, defense, guts and drawing fouls.
      More than anything.. he is our clutch player.

      We can compensate.. but that does not by
      any means say that he adds no value…
      Trust me.. we will have to play better
      to make up for not having him..
      and tonight was evidence that we can.

      But we will get Gallo back.. and no matter
      how far we go still… we need to thank Gallo
      for his help in getting us here.

  • ENK

    #Fournietion

  • googergieger

    Okay stats courtesy of synergy.

    Gallo on 158 plays has held his opposition to .64 point per possession on isolations. I.E. One on one defense.

    Lebron James on 123 plays has held his opposition to .82.

    Luo Deng on 112 plays has held his to .87.

    Paul George on 162 plays has held his to .72.

    Artest? 106 plays and .75.

    Kevin Durant who is called an improved and good defender all of a sudden on 161 plays holds his opponents to .76.

    And consider the fact Gallo doesn’t have the reputation of being a defensive stopper so he doesn’t get leeway with the refs. Heck Lebron never gets fouls called on him and Gallo still blows him away when it comes to one on one defense. And this is playing at Denver’s pace by the way. These are all guys that are considered better defenders than Gallo by the way, by the league and for some inexplicable reason most Denver “fans” as well. Heck at his position I’ve yet to find someone that defends one on one situations better.

    Can this team still win without Gallo? In the first round? Easily. In the second? Maybe. But if you want to say Gallo is just a spot up shooter who is streaky, therefore expendable, well you need to realize he is a lot more than just that. In fact he isn’t even that. He is one of the best two way guys in this league, and if you judge him on that and not just the one thing, you can see why he will be missed and why he is incredibly underrated by most, including so called Denver fans.

    • Giovanni

      These stats are overrated..

      Gallo is a good defensive player and a better offensive player but the truth is that is far away from an elite player…

      And in the nba there’s 50 player better on defense that Gallo..

      The only one i agree is without him we don’t have a shot for finals…

      • Charliemyboy

        Stats are not overrated if credible. Gallo was (is) as the facts provide. Last year when he injured his hand the Nuggets were in dire straits. Iggy and some maturity can make up for that this year. This teams mentality, led by Miller and Iggy and Brewer has turned a mountain lion into a tiger. All the tools are there to not be stopped, maybe for several more years. Send JaVale back to Akeem and give him AADD training.

      • googergieger

        Okay. Then all stats are overrated. What are we doing here?

    • Ackdog

      I for one am not saying this team won’t miss Gallo because they will. They will miss his shooting however erratic it is. They will also miss his drives to the basket that resulted in foul shots. He is the only one besides Andre Miller that shoots over 80% from the stripe. But I also believe that Den has the perfect pieces in place to replace him. Would I rather have him over Randolph YES! Over Chandler NO!

      Here’s one for you goog man a different perspective.

      http://dimemag.com/2012/10/the-top-20-small-forwards-in-the-nba-today/5/

      • googergieger

        I thought you gave up this argument when I actually presented my argument and your unfounded opinions didn’t hold up? That article is awful. It does nothing to PROVE Gallo isn’t a great one on one defender. When synergy not only proves he is a great one on one defender, but the best at his position. And again because of uninformed talking heads that cover basketball, Gallo doesn’t even have the rep of being a good defender let alone a great one, so he doesn’t get the treatment from the refs known defensive stoppers do.

        See I get when the four letter network or other team’s announcers, or sports talking heads that never watch games from any team not named Miami, OKC, Lakers, or what have you. But I constantly see the troll Kizla and his likes and fans on blogs/forums like this writing off Gallo as a streaky spot up shooter and therefore an overrated player. Someone put that kid in that description. Guess what he can do more than just that. If you judge him on the one idea you have of him, he won’t measure up. If you judge him on his overall package, which again he is one of the best two way guys in this league, you might finally start appreciating him.

        The stiffs had a great article on Gallo back in January. Before his defensive numbers became as dominant in isolations as they did now. It basically showed that he is good at everything.

        • Park Hill

          Iggy held the best players all year. Gallo is one of our best position D guys (didn’t do to well against SA), and can hold one on one. But he is not an elite defender like Iggy. And on a team with AI, Ill, and Brewer he’s just another good cog on the D wheel.

          • googergieger

            That isn’t an argument against the stats I provided. In Denver’s switch heavy defense, on isolations Gallo holds his opposition to .64 PPP. If you’ve seen one Denver game this year, Gallo always checks the opposing small forward. So even if Denver didn’t switch as much as they did, Gallo would still be checking small forwards more often than not. But again synergy takes isolations against everyone into account. So again, when it comes to one on one defense, Gallo is the best guy at his position.

  • Cephus

    Gallo got mad props for his defensive job on Durant with last game. It was the wrong end of a back to back as well. I don’t claim that makes him all defensive team & you never can shut down a true superstar when ‘their on’.

    I would say Dario plays smart & hard & will leave it for others to come up with ranking. Assuming Chandler or Randolph get bulk of extra minutes, it’s enough to say Scotty Brooks isn’t sweating that matchup.

    Mozgov had starting job two years ago in NY and last year in Denver. His stone hands were foremost on reasons , Mozzy was relegated to bench. So i respectfully differ with JohninLA. The guy played tough in Olympics. He’s an enigma, I admit. If he was with Orlando, Charlotte or New Orleans, they could give him time to be revealed. That’s just not Karl’s way.

  • Tonia01

    Very happy with the performance of the team. The three guys who had to step up, Iggy, Corey and WC did it with a great deal of energy. Let’s hope we can continue running like that. What worried me a bit is that we played very small for most of the game. This was possible against Houston as they are not a physical team, but it will be very difficult with most of the teams in the playoffs. Houston has no Center and weak PF, so the opposite structure than most of the good playoffs teams. Having said that, we have a fantastic group of guys and a great organization, I really wish them the best for the rest of the season, they deserve it. I still hope for two rounds in the playoffs.

    • Ryan

      Disagree that Houston has no center. Asik is very good defensively and a great rebounder. He’s not much of an offensive threat, but that’s not really an issue with Houston’s system. Houston’s a great match-up for us because they try to play our game, but we’re just much better at it…

      • Tonia01

        True, he did not impressed me at all in this match, but I had a look at the stats and he is above 10 both in points and rebounds per game. it is not bad at all.

  • dynamo.joe

    Nice win. 3 great quarters.

    I’m impressed with the French dude. Based on games earlier on the season I thought he was too turn over prone, tho I thought that was possibly due to playing him at the point rather than the 2 guard which is what he was used to. But if Evan is gonna get more steals than TO’s, well it’s hard to complain about that.

    Course that still leaves the other problem, PFs. If he is going to be a back up, getting 20 mins a night, you can live with that, but if you expect him to play 30+ he has to get a handle on the fouls.

    Still, this Masai Ujiri fella seems to know what he’s about.

    As far as the Gallo over/under-rated discussion goes, I think you are all assuming you know how the other guy is rating him and the whole conversation is moot until you indicate how you are rating him.

    I’ll go 1st. I think aggressive getting to the line Gallo is a top 10 SF (let’s say 8). Tentative Gallo drops down in to the mid 20’s (25ish). So, overall I would say Gallo is around the 15th best SF in the NBA.

    I am under-rating him or over-rating him?

    • Tonia01

      Underrating him, he is an all around player, with playmaking and passing ability above the norm. For sure is in the top ten and most of all he makes his team mates better. But I think we should get over Gallo now and focus on the guys who are playing and hope they will perform at their best.

  • Giovanni

    For me Gallo is in top 10 sf in nba…

    But for potential…

    Gallo is a good(not great)defender and a borderline superstar in attack but lack of leadership..

    Bur he’s only 24…

    And in the play offs we miss Gallo..
    So Wilson and Corey can fit the hole…
    But in the clutch Gallo is one of best in the team…

    I hate the talebatism on him as on Miller and Karl…
    The truth is ever in the middle boys…

  • Italianstallion

    15th best SF in the league? Really? Then you are under rating him.

    In the west – 2nd best
    Durant
    Gallo
    Leonard
    Batum
    Parsons
    W Chandler

    Entire League – 7th best
    Lebron
    Durant
    Melo
    Pierce
    Deng
    Gay
    Gallo
    Granger

    Notes: Paul George is a SG even if they start him at the 3 without Granger. I’m being conservative putting him behind Deng and Gay, he a better offensive player than both of them, altho I understand Deng makes up for it with durability and both are good defenders. Don’t tell me Leonard should be ahead of him that’s simply false Gallo out plays him each game. And yes I thought of Gerald Wallace, Harrison Barnes, Kirilenko, etc and didn’t list them cuz it’s not close at that point.

    • Tonia01

      Agree 100%

    • googergieger

      The numbers say he is a better defender than every guy you rated above him. And honestly after Lebron the case for all around dominance is done. Durant is not a great all around player. Neither is Gallo but he is a good all around player. Durant is just an amazing scorer. Same with Melo. But beyond the stat stuffing, Gallo is good at everything else, where as the guys you put ahead of him(besides Lebron who Gallo is a better defender than) are downright poor at some things.

      Because Denver is Denver you aren’t going to have one guy put up dominant numbers, which is why it is important to look at the intangibles and see if the guys on the team are trying to do what it takes to help their team win. For some reason we notice this when Brewer and Faried do it, but not when Gallo and Iguodala constantly do it. You can impact the game in ways beyond scoring.

      But fine, people say Gallo is one dimensional and not a top five guy at his position and therefore he isn’t one, is also an argument. I mean it isn’t, but I’m tired of being the only one arguing.

      • Italianstallion

        Ok well if you’re seriously claiming that Gallo is a better defender than LeBron, then you indeed are the only one arguing. You are probably the only person in the world who believes that, regardless what whatever stats you are referencing say say.

        • googergieger

          Hahaha, alright. That’s it. I’m just talking to people who actually have their own opinions from now on and don’t follow the gospel of Skip Bayless verbatim.

          • Dubz

            Lebron is hands down a better defender than Gallo and frankly it’s not even that close. Lebron is a top 3-4 defender in the entire league. I rarely watch ESPN, that’s just the truth. You’re overrating Gallo’s defense a bit, but he’s definitely MUCH MUCH better than what his reputation says he is. To be honest though, he’s the third best defender on the Nuggets behind Iguodala and Chandler. I’d say GK would certainly agree with me.

            • Ackdog

              Agreed Dubz. goog man’s arguments are all stat based and while they look great any accountant will tell you that numbers can be manipulated. What I am saying if you are comparing Chandler and Gallo you are comparing apples with oranges. I don’t have any numbers to back this up because Chandler has been backing up the 4 position. I just believe that Ill Will starting at the 3 will put up better numbers than Gallo has on both sides of the ball. We don’t have a sample size to compare yet, that is an argument for another day. It just seems that Chandler’s style of play fits better with the first 5 than Gallo’s….. Only time will tell

              • Dubz

                I’m from NY originally so I grew up a big fan of the Knicks. For about 10 years I’ve been a fan of the Nuggets and the Knicks, but stopped being a Knicks fan after the trade. Therefor, I’ve watched Gallo and Chandler for 4-5 years. Chandler was often considered the better player in NY while many (myself included) believed Gallo had the higher ceiling. As for who’s better now, I’d say it’s close but Gallo probably beats out Chandler by a bit due to his all around game. However, Chandler will fit this starting 5 unit very well as did Gallo. I really enjoyed having Chandler come off the bench because he was playing soo well as our stretch 4 (so many were clamoring for a stretch 4 at the trade deadline and I was one of the few saying we already had one in Chandler). The real beauty of the two? They play very very well together on the floor and work to each others strengths. As long as Fournier can maintain his level of play, we’ll be just fine because we need that guy who can shoot off the bench that Chandler was providing.

              • googergieger

                *face palm*

                How am I manipulating synergy stats? That take isolations into account?! The only effin stat that takes one on one defense and puts up for the world to see?! Not like I’m taking plus/minus and proving why some “all stars” aren’t all stars and why some role players are MVP candidates. Or using blocks to prove Ibaka is a fantastic defender, despite him constantly getting beat off the dribble and Perkin having to handle the few post guys in this league.

                You know what, forget it. Gallo is the best one on one defender at his position. Numbers say this. If you guys want to say Lebron is a great defender because he is a great defender, then have at it. Add to the death of conversation the world seems happy to get to. Who needs to know why they think certain things when all you have to do is say, “it’s good because it’s good” or “it’s bad because it’s bad”. Ugh. Get better people.

                I’m sorry. No offense. Shouldn’t be surprised Denver has casual fans just like other franchises do.

    • Dubz

      Paul George most certainly is a SF are you kidding? The guy is close to 6’10. Also, I’d put Batum on that list. He hurt his wrist and his production has gone down dramatically since then because he’s chosen to play through the pain. I’m a big fan of Gallo, I’d say if he’s not a top 5 SF he’s definitely 6-7. Defensively he’s more than held his own but he’s no where near as good as some are saying. GK plays a lot of small ball with WC and Iggy playing along side Gallo. In that scenario WC and Iggy will always play the better players. Often times WC guards the better big and Iggy guards the better PG or SG. Gallo will be sorely missed but this team has the good fortune of having a guy who is also a top 10 SF in Chandler and guys like Iggy, Brewer, and Fournier as well. My list goes…
      Lebron
      Durant
      Anthony
      George
      Pierce
      Batum
      Gallo
      Deng
      Gay
      Chandler
      Leonard

  • A.D.

    SF rankings by the league:

    Tier One
    1. Lebron
    2. Durant
    3. Melo

    Tier Two
    4. Pierce
    Deng

    Tier Three
    6. Gay
    Gallo
    Granger
    J. Green
    W. Chandler

    After the first five, they seem blurred together. Good ability, loads of potential, but inconsistency seems to be the trend. Always been a fan of Chandler and his all-around game.. With an honorable mention to Leonard, Batum and Parsons

  • http://yahoo.com prospector

    IGGY and EVAN are proving my season long rantings of playing BIG true…. IGGY is Scottie Pippen… He can flat out handle the ball… All EVAN needed was MINUTES….. The problem is that when TY comes back, the dreaded two point guard lineups will be back as well…. I know this sounds crazy right now, but you know KARL….. He never changes… MASAI’s number one priority this offseason is to TRADE MILLER (and not for a PG) and sign IGGY… If MASAI pulls that off it will be amazing here in D-town…..

  • Ernie

    In three out of the last 4 games Fournier has had a significantly better +/- than Miller. Would this team do better when Ty comes back having Fournier as the backup PG? I’m not asking would GK do it. I’m asking would the team be better.

    Because with Chandler starting there won’t be a lot of shooting from the backups with Miller back there, with only Brewer somewhat reliable.

    • will

      +/- means basically nothing over such a short period of time. even over a whole season it doesn’t mean that much.

      • googergieger

        Not by itself anyways.

      • Ernie

        I agree the pure numbers don’t mean anything, in that a +6 isn’t that much different than a +3. And I understand it’s only a few games. But the +20 for Fournier isn’t that close to the +1 for Miller. When the difference is this dramatic it doesn’t mean anything to you?

  • googergieger

    Oh and just for fun, Rudy Gay in one on one defense is holding his opposition to .81 on 62 plays in Memphis and in Toronto .73 on 37 plays. Good numbers. Especially in Toronto. Gallo is still the best defender at the small forward position. Now there might be better numbers to go on to judge one on one defense. Defensive rating takes team defense into account more than anything. We could go on the eye test, but according to the eye test Gallo is an average defender who is a spot up shooter who can’t do that right. Well not my eye test.

    Oh and offensively Rudy Gay is one of the most inefficient guys at his position. As is Deng. I guess you guys must really like rebounds. Though seeing as we are one of the best rebounding teams in the league and the team rebounds better when Gallo is on the floor, you’d figure that might do something to stop underrating the kid. Scoff.

    • Italianstallion

      Ok so I think we’ve established where consensus places Gallo relative to other SFs in the league. (#6-10 league wide)

      Also, we have a guy, dynamo.joe, who we can say underrates Gallo relative to consensus. (#15)

      And lastly, we have a guy, googergieger, who overrates him relative to consensus (#1)

      And there it is, nice healthy discussion. What we can all agree on, except Kizla who is a moron flip-flopper who just makes ridiculous claims to get page hits (like saying Brewer is better than Gallo), is that Gallo is a big part of our team, losing him hurts, and it hurts our chances to advance far into the postseason. Not that we don’t have a chance, but whatever the probability of making the finals was 2 weeks ago (which I was thinking we would prior to the Lawson/Gallo injuries) is now a lower probability.

      I was upset that OKC lost to NYK today, I would like SA to fall to #2. I think we are 50-50 in a series against the Spurs as both teams stand today (i.e. no Gallo or Ginobili, banged up Lawson and Parker).

      • googergieger

        Don’t think he is number one, I just actually watch the game of basketball and don’t let talking heads form my opinions for me. I always thought he was a good one on one defender, so I looked it up. Turns out he is a great one. Not saying he is the best ever. Or when taking every position into account he is a top ten guy. But the only thing we have to look up one on one defense on says he is the best at his position this year. Which I believe. He’s been great this year, and others like Deng, James, and George have the reputation as defensive stoppers but I’ve seen them defend. They do a solid enough job but like others have said Gallo is a guard trapped in a power forwards body. Which helped him and us on the defensive end.

        Shame how much reputation and labels have to do with what awards players get and what opinions people have of them. Someone said James is an amazing defender so it must be true. Someone said Gallo can’t defend and is a spot up shooter that is streaky so that must be true. Here is a rule of thumb if Jon Barry thinks something, the opposite is usually true.

        I mean think about how many all defensive team honors Iggy has gotten over the years and how many Kobe has gotten. That should make EVERYONE start using the eye test and stats to form their own opinions on these things.

        • me

          Agreed, and IMO from what I have seen of LBJ he is not a great defender, he is just an average ohe

        • Italianstallion

          googer, I respect your opinion and clearly you are a knowledgeable fan of the game and this team. And I am not attacking you just having a discussion, I haven’t lived in Denver for a couple years now and have no one to talk nuggs with, so this is where I do it.

          Imo you are putting too much weight on this one-on-one defense stat that you are referencing. The nuggets are the most switch happy team in the league, so I can’t imagine this stat is very telling or accurate. I also think Gallo plays good defense, he moves laterally well and does a good job of staying in front of his man without fouling much. Steals and blocks aren’t really there, but that’s not all that matters in defense. So yea, Gallo is pretty good defender.

          But I have to say that it’s not just me or skip or a small contingent of fans who have given Lebron the reputation that he has which is as one of the top defensive players in the league. Every expert, former player, coach, etc all concur that he can effectively guard all 5 positions and alter the game like few other wing players on defense. People who have played the game, coached the game, and studied the game more than you or i ever have are all in agreement. Skip bayless can suck my wang. I’ve hated him since woody paige was making him look stupid on cold pizza back in the day, i hated him when he paraded to denver during tebow-mania like some kind of deranged cult leader, and I hate him for how he talks only about the lakers-heat-knicks triumverate, saying outlandish and unintelligent things. Like his whole spiel last year about “prince james” and how lebron was a choker, all that attention grabbing bs.

          So I resent to be compared to him, but the one thing that everyone in and around the nba agrees on is that lebron is a dominant offensive as well as defensive player, and even Skip can’t go off the reservation on that story.

          If you want to keep believing that gallo is on the level of lebron defensively, fine. It seems like you’re too emotionally attached to that thought to listen to common sense from almost everyone who does the nba for a living. Just because it’s a popular opinion doesn’t make it wrong.

          • Italianstallion

            Here I figured I’m bored so I’d do a little research
            all stats from http://www.basketball-reference.com for this season

            Gallinari
            Defensive rating (estimate of points allowed per 100 possessions) = 107
            Opponent offensive rating with Gallo on the court = 104.8
            Opponent offensive rating with Gallo off the court = 107.0
            On/off differential for opponent offensive rating = 2.2

            James
            Defensive rating (estimate of points allowed per 100 possessions) = 101
            Opponent offensive rating with Gallo on the court = 103.5
            Opponent offensive rating with Gallo off the court = 107.3
            On/off differential for opponent offensive rating = 3.8

            All 4 metrics favor James. You can find a stat to say anything. Don’t anchor yourself to one.

            • Italianstallion

              And finally, here are the on/off differentials for the rest of the nuggets roster defensively, from best to worst:

              Iguodala -3
              Koufos -2.8
              Chandler -2.3
              Gallo -2.2
              Andre Miller -0.6
              Faried +0.3
              Brewer +0.5
              Fournier +0.6
              McGee +2.4
              Randolph +3.3
              Lawson +4.4

              Meaning we allow 3 points less per 100 possessions when Iggy is on the court vs off, and we allow 4.4 more points per 100 possessions when Lawson is on vs off.

              Here is that stat for other guys that have been brought up.
              Deng +2.8
              Gay -2.0 with Memphis, -5.9(!) with Toronto
              Durant +3.2

              So it would seem these stats support your claim of Deng being overrated at defense and Durant being crappy at defense. Gay, however, looks terrific.

              • Dubz

                Yup those all sound about right to me, but I’d say Chandler is a better defender than Koufos. In fact, I think Iguodala and Chandler are noticeably beter defenders than Gallo even though I think Gallo is a good defender. Iggy and Chandler happen to be very good defenders in my opinion, guys who can give super stars a very hard time and at multiple positions.

                Lebron James is one player who probably warrants all the hype he receives. He truly is fantastic. In many years of this league, Durant would almost certainly be the best in the league. He just happened to play in the Lebron era, same went for the stars of the 90’s who played Jordan. Lebron is without question a fantastic defender who can successfully guard all 5 positions and will often do so if a guy is going off on the Heat (I remember his shutting down D Rose at a point in time).

                Gallo is a very good player and is only 24. Considering he didn’t more damage to his knee than the torn acl, he should be able to come back to 100% soon enough. This has been an intriguing discussion but it’s time to discuss guys who are still healthy and will finish out arguably the best season in Nuggets history. I truly believe we’ll finish strong in the playoffs and will forever look upon this year very affectionately.

              • ryanvdonk

                is there a way to see lawson’s stats while playing with miller vs. without? he seems to end up playing bigger SGs and getting shot over way too often with the 2 PG lineup.

          • googergieger

            “effectively guard all 5 positions”

            *facepalm*

            Ugh. He’s great because he is great is always a shitty argument and one I won’t accept. Is Lebron a good defender? Yes. Is he a great one? Really depends on the match up. He doesn’t have fouls called on him, which make him appear great all the time, but have him guard Dwight Howard or have him guard Westbrook. He won’t be able to do jack shit. NBA is so desperate to have another Jordan they’ll say James can do everything better than everyone else and have said so since he came into the league. Is James great? Absolutely. Is he the best all around player? Of course. Is he the best at absolutely everything in basketball? Nope.

            And there is a reason I brought up synergy. Because you can look up isolations, which is one on one defense! Defensive rating takes too many variables into account. Which is why it is a poor stat to judge defense, especially one on one defense. Faried and McGee have a better defensive rating than Iggy according to basketball reference for goodness sake. On and off is about team as well.

            Yes Denver is incredibly switch heavy on defense, know what that means? In isolations if the guy thinks he can take you, he is going to try. Look how often people have tried that with Gallo and how often he has shut them down. Same with Deng and others. If they switch onto Westbrook, he’ll try to take them. Not like Perkins or Tyson Chandler are going to try to attack Gallo off the dribble meanwhile only Melo ever attacks Deng. In any case, Gallo always guards the small forwards on this team and like everyone else switches onto everyone else when it calls for it, however he has more success guarding the players he switches onto when they try to take him one on one than anyone else at his position.

            Look early on in the season I wrote Koufos off as a guy that constantly gets bullied at his position, but after looking up his stats and after seeing him play some effective basketball and be in the middle of some of our runs, I can admit I was wrong about the guy. For some reason people are dead set on saying Gallo is an okay defender that is a spot up streaky shooter on offense. Even though everything points to him being a really good two way player and an elite defender.

            • googergieger

              And again all these so called experts have repeatedly said Kobe is an elite defender who constantly got all defensive team honors ahead of Iguodala, who has yet to receive all defensive first team honors!

            • ryanvdonk

              agreed, KK has definitely proven to be a better player than i had originally thought…he still drives me bonkers with missing layups and going up soft instead of just dunking the ball, but he’s all around pretty solid, and has significantly improved his hands over the course of the season. his big problem seems to be with powerful/aggressive centers, as he DOES get bullied in those cases. thing is, there’s less than 10 players in the league who can really do that to him.

  • me

    man I hope this team wins, best team in the league