Rapid Reaction: Denver Nuggets 105 at Dallas Mavericks 108, OT

The Nuggets came up with a series of big plays late in regulation to tie the game, but couldn’t get it done in the extra period, falling to Dallas 108-105.

Denver Nuggets 105 FinalRecap | Box Score 108 Dallas Mavericks
Kenneth Faried, SF 34 MIN | 5-8 FG | 1-2 FT | 10 REB | 2 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 11 PTS | -3

Faried was mostly solid tonight, but not particularly special. He rebounded well and made a few buckets. But he wasn’t making the sort of energy plays he’s known for.

Kosta Koufos, C 19 MIN | 3-9 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 6 PTS | -10

As the usual leader of the Koufos bandwagon, I found this game hard to watch. Kosta attempted too many hook shots over the defense, often when there seemed to be better shots available for teammates. He gave up two offensive rebounds to Chris Kaman, while grabbing only two defensive rebounds himself.

Andre Miller, PG 38 MIN | 2-12 FG | 3-4 FT | 1 REB | 7 AST | 3 STL | 0 BLK | 4 TO | 8 PTS | -6

The Mavericks played physical defense on Andre Miller from start to finish, and he was clearly frustrated by the lack of foul calls. He made a few good passes, but also called his own number too often in a game where he was coming up empty on most trips inside. He had a huge steal at the end of regulation that set up Brewer’s tying bucket, and put in pretty good defensive effort for much of the game, but still left shooters open outside too often.

Wilson Chandler, SG 34 MIN | 8-15 FG | 0-0 FT | 9 REB | 2 AST | 3 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 18 PTS | -4

Chandler played only nine minutes in the first half due to foul trouble, but shot the ball extremely well and was fairly good defensively on Dirk. He struggled on both ends during Dallas’ 15-0 run early in the third quarter, and was good again for the rest of the game. Two successive defensive stops against Dirk in the last two minutes of regulation gave the Nuggets a chance to tie and take the lead.

Andre Iguodala, SG 43 MIN | 7-15 FG | 1-3 FT | 5 REB | 6 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 5 TO | 18 PTS | -3

Iguodala had a great first half, making good play after good play. He shot 3-4 on three pointers, passed the ball well, went coast to coast for a layup, and had several rebounds. He was much worse in the second half, taking ill-advised shots and turning the ball over.

Anthony Randolph, PF 4 MIN | 0-0 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 0 PTS | -2

I counted three offensive boards Anthony Randolph gave up in his four minute stint. He played one good defensive possession against Dirk, and then forgot to look for the rebound, which came out almost to where he’d been standing. He also coughed the ball up right into the hands of Shawn Marion.

Corey Brewer, SF 37 MIN | 6-20 FG | 4-5 FT | 3 REB | 1 AST | 5 STL | 0 BLK | 3 TO | 18 PTS | -1

I often find myself wishing I could give Brewer multiple grades for a game. He created a ton of havoc defensively, including a steal off an inbounds that earned him a pair of free throws and a strip of Dirk late in the fourth quarter that gave the Nuggets a late lead. But on the very next possession, he cheated way off of Mike James, who hit the go ahead three. He took an absurd number of shots and made very few of them, but he had the tying basket at the end of regulation. He even forced Dirk into a few missed shots, but then committed a bailout foul with the shot clock winding down in overtime. The good slightly outweighed the bad tonight.

JaVale McGee, C 28 MIN | 5-6 FG | 1-1 FT | 9 REB | 1 AST | 1 STL | 4 BLK | 2 TO | 11 PTS | +9

With Kosta Koufos struggling, it was important for JaVale to show up with disciplined energy. He did that for a lot of regulation, creating extra possessions with offensive rebounding and erasing Dallas points by blocking or altering shots. He lost an entire letter grade at the start of overtime, after giving up two offensive rebounds on the same play.

Ty Lawson, PG 19 MIN | 5-7 FG | 3-4 FT | 2 REB | 3 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 13 PTS | +4

The biggest positive for the Nuggets this game is that Ty Lawson looked fantastic in limited minutes. He deferred quite a bit to Andre Miller in his first few minutes, but eventually started making plays. He was moving well, getting the shots he wanted, and made almost all of them.

Evan Fournier, SG 8 MIN | 0-1 FG | 2-2 FT | 3 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 2 PTS | +1

With Ty Lawson back, Fournier saw reduced minutes and reduced responsibilities. He still found a way to contribute, grabbing a few rebounds in traffic and creating free throws for himself and for Brewer.

George Karl

Coach Karl had a difficult job tonight, juggling lineups due to foul trouble and poor play. He gets credit for recognizing McGee’s effectiveness and Koufos’ ineffectiveness tonight. But there were a couple of head-scratching decisions, including having Lawson, Miller, and Fournier on the floor together. With multiple players frustrated by the officiating, I would have liked to see the coach take a technical, and then help the players refocus on playing the game.

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  • googergieger

    Fifth seed again folks!

    Still trying not to bad mouth Karl. So umm, Miller played way too much. McGee played way too little. Koufos played too much. Dallas wasn’t called for one foul during that third quarter. Where we were up eleven and somehow Dallas went on a run uninterrupted. Worst game of the season for Miller and you know who.

    • Riley

      nah man. they still own the tiebreaker for 3rd

    • Jeff

      3rd seed is still probable, don’t over react. The Nuggets are allowed to lose every once in a while. While it is true Karl’s gameplan was not effective tonight, he’s been great lately. Sometimes you just have to stick to the gameplan, ie leaving Lawson out late in the game. Thinking big picture.

    • Ackdog

      Didn’t get to see the game. But looking at the schedule I think we win the next three. Especially with Ty coming back. This will be GK’s biggest problem in the next three games. figuring out what the rotations will be. LAC beat Memphis we win out third seed for sure. Stay POSITIVE

    • Steve

      And i believe that we have home field locked up just about. If we have a better record than the clips we get home field even being the 5th seed. Grizz and clips play eachother this weekend and we have a easy schedule rest of way.

      • Troll

        Lol here we go with the Karl thing again. It’s Karl’s fault that we lost a game with gallo out and Ty limited? Give me a break… This team will set the franchise record for wins without a superstar. That doesn’t happen in the NBA without great coaching.

  • tanium

    Its hard to criticize Karl or Miller after the great play as of late, but keeping Miller in on crucial defensive possessions and Miller trying to play hero ball boggles my mind

  • Riley

    Hideous game by miller. his old man stubborness really showed up big tonight

  • Ban Johnson

    Godawful Andre Miller game. Bad Corey Brewer game. 8/32 combined from the field from the 2 of them, plus a bunch of turnovers. And yet Fournier only played 8 minutes… Why?
    GK has to take the temperature of the game better than that. He just has to.

    Andre Miller should NEVER be in the game on big defensive possessions out of time outs. I honestly have no idea what George Karl is seeing in Miller’s defense. It’s not as if he’s a bad defensive coach. He understands defense really well. Why the incredible blinders when it comes to Miller? I’ve given up on GK when it comes to Miller. It will be a small miracle if his Miller thing doesn’t kill the Nuggets in the playoffs.

    Anyway, the Nuggets didn’t deserve this one. A little humble pie is probably a good thing right now. But it would be a crying shame to lose that 3rd seed. Need to win out. Memphis and the Clippers play tomorrow night — so 1 of them will lose — but after that, it’s unrealistic to expect any more help.

  • http://twitter.com/xantoniooo808x D3Ntilthe3ND

    Unacceptable.

    4 wasted possessions by Miller late & he gave up 2 3’s.

    Why was he in there to foul Collison?

    Not to mention Dirk got “fouled” with 2 seconds left on the shot clock.

    Everything combined for a loss. These types of losses are unacceptable..

    Please, save your “It’s only one game” & “You can’t win them all” & “Stop hating on Miller & Karl” comments. They’re really old.

    • michael

      lol. how can they be really old, if we’ve only lost 10 games since the break?

      • http://twitter.com/xantoniooo808x D3Ntilthe3ND

        Obviously you haven’t been around here very long..

        Before the break games like this were happening left & right ask Googer. Him & myself were really hard on Miller & Karl & we took heat for it.

        So, if you’re gonna try & sound smart, get your facts straight.

    • Kris Redeker

      Come on people we have tied our franchise record for wins in a season with huge injury problems down the stretch. give them a break, they deserve a bad game or two jeez

    • Mark from Charlotte

      Nugget fans are not hating on GK and AMiller. GK thinks AMiller is his best player on the team. AMiller makes many mistakes during games and GK will not remove AMiller from a game, this has been happening the entire season.

  • but_nugget

    andre miller flush’s another game down the toilet.

  • mike

    not enough offense late in this one. gotta win out cause the winner of memphis clips tomorrow likely will

  • Scott

    I count at least 5 times Miller blew this game for us

    2 turnovers trying to draw fouls.

    Reverse layup that got blocked.

    Giving up the Mayo 3.

    Not fouling Collison.

    That being said, great signs from Ty and Iggy showing he should be in contention for DPOY with that clutch steal. If Dirk wasn’t babied so much we probably could have won. That being said, Memphis won so we really need to win out the rest of the season.

  • googergieger

    Oh and tonight is the type of game where you see how much we miss Gallo. He wouldn’t make the Brewer mistakes or the Miller lack of effort.

  • Bill

    Miller: F-

    Karl: F

    Their love affair is getting old.

  • LDT710

    I’ve seen George Karl make offensive/defensive substitutions during close games in the past so I know he doesn’t have some sort of moral opposition to it. Andre’s defense should have cost us the game at the end of regulation why did Karl not learn a thing and leave him in on defense during OT? I’ve seen this way too often with Karl and Andre. Why have a deep bench if you don’t use it at all?

  • danzante13

    Hello everyone, I am new to the post but have followed it for a long time. I finally decided to join the post to express my frustration with GK and playing Miller. Besides this game being one of the worst ref’d games I have seen in awhile it was also probably the worst coached game by GK. For sure a “F” grade! He is one of the best coaches but I believe that the main reason he has not and probably will not win a championship is because of his inability to make in game changes as well as understand that his man love cannot guard anyone in the NBA not even Jason Kidd!! I look forward to everyone’s post and shared frustration.

    • Charliemyboy

      Total overraction. Upset but not distraught. Could have won and outlook would have been reversed, emphasizing the good accomplished. Miller’s negatives overshadowed by Ty and JaVale. At times they looked incredible. Dallas is no pushover with Dirk. We don’t matchup well. They are out thank goodness. Home or not we have proven we can beat Clips, Memphis, GS and they next team on the list. They must just believe and govern themselves. Especially Miller and Brewer. Have a feeling JaVale might grow up.

  • Mark from Charlotte

    GK. this lost is on you. AMiller sucked tonight, why does this clown play 38 minutes. Play IGGY at point and play E94 at shooting guard. Nugget fans can you tell me why K35 was on the bench late in the 4th quarter. Good to see Lawson back tonight.

  • http://espn herpderpnuggets

    I am officially sick and fed up with what stern allows to happen during games. This game almost makes me not want to watch NBA or buy any more NBA apparel.

    Karl gets lower than an F

    Miller gets F –

    Dallas Refs get an A+

  • but_nugget

    did anyone notice andre deliberately not throwing the ball to chandler on the last inbounds play (twice)? you can see chandler’s body language saying “wtf” while iguadola throws up his airball. wouldn’t be surprised if chandler was expressing frustration with andre during the game so dre decided not throw him the ball. i’m surprised the guys that like to play defense (i.e iguodala, chandler, brewer) don’t express how they’re tired of playing five on four with miller in at the end of games. hopefully ujiri takes matters into his own hands at the end of the year and jettison miller. this is torture.

    • mcz84

      Yes I did see that on both inbound plays he was open and MIller just didnt pass it to him, I saw chandler get frustrated on the first one, MIller should not play more than 20 minutes with Ty healthy, rather see Fournier
      ANDRE COST US THIS GAME

    • Jeff

      I did see that too. Definitely was weird. I was surprised Hastings didnt say anything about Chandler being wide open.

    • Kasey

      Chill with the Iggy hate, he is clutch. That shot looked like it wouldn’t fall for anyone who took it. But I do agree with you on Miller not getting the ball to Chandler.

  • Bill

    The ghost of Anthony Carter >>>>> Andre Miller

    • Mark

      Thanks Bill, you just made me feel better. Somehow I forgot about Anthony Carter. The only thing in this world that’s worse than Andre Miller is Anthony Carter. Your post reminded me that it could be worse – if Ujiri had kept Carter rather than Miller.

    • LobCiudad

      I still blame Carter for stopping me from watching the Nuggets play in their first NBA Finals with his botched inbound pass against LA in ’09.

      • Fed up Nug

        I too hated that fateful AC turnover but it was really only half his fault. Why was he the one throwing the ball in? Why was he even on the court? Why can Karl not draw up a game winning play?

        If you’ll remember back, the exact same thing happened in game 3 with K-Mart, though for some reason he wasn’t hated on for it nearly as much as AC. Let’s also not forget how the team laid down and died on our own court in game 6. Yet, somehow, this was the series that supposedly saved Karl’s job… lol and sigh

        Just for the memories. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWwRMiQ5IK0

        Notice the nonsensical two pg line up in crunch time. I’m sure some of you remember poor AC trying to guard Kobe Bryant as well, good times.

    • Ryan

      Stop that. The loss was bad enough, no need to bring up even worse memories lol…

  • Mark from Charlotte

    I hope Denver can win a first round playoff series. If AMiller is in a close game late in the 4th quarter the Nuggets will have trouble in a first round playoff series.

  • http://twitter.com/xantoniooo808x D3Ntilthe3ND

    I guess some people don’t understand why people are so worked up about Miller & Karl, which is fine, because I don’t understand why people aren’t, so I’ll try to provide some clarity.

    Games like this are really frustrating. It’s not one of those games where you can just move on & play better next game. The reason we lost this game is due to Miller, right? Obviously among other things, this wasn’t all on him, but you have to admit his play late was horrendous.

    So, speaking for myself, I’m really angry because this is something that just isn’t going to change, cause if it was, it would have already.. I’ve been saying ALL YEAR.

    If we lost because we fought hard, but the other team just played an awesome game, do you think people like me would react the way we are? I know I wouldn’t, but that’s not the case.

    I’ve said this before, I’ll say it again.

    Andre Miller is going to cost us a game in the postseason.. A very important one. (This one was already important enough as we’re playing for the 3 seed) & you can all save your “It’s only 1 game” “You expect them to go 82-0″ etc etc comments for the 1st round elimination game due to Miller’s stubbornness.

    • Native Nugget

      Here’s the thing. I watched Andre lay off Mayo for no good reason and essential engrave an invitation for a three out of pure laziness. I’m talking 4th grade-boy-who-won’t-make-his-bed laziness. And before this play I’d already been lamenting GK’s brokeback affair with Andre.

      But… it’s not cut and dry. Andre does do some things well, he is one of the better back up points in the league, we have won a lot of hard games since Ty went down, and if other Nuggs would work at making free throws GK would have more options at the end of games.

      That being said my honest take is that after this season we let him go with respect and make room for Evan’s development.

    • Dan

      I get the frustration with Miller, he’s lazy on defense often and sometimes he forgets to pass. Yes this has caused the Nuggets to lose games this year. However he has also been known to take a game over when no one else is producing offensively and this on various occasions has won games for the Nuggets. Its frustrating but I’d rather have him than not, what’s worse is Karl not taking him out when he isn’t effective.

  • Ckwizard

    This game was a good game for he Nuggets as long as it serves for a wake up call.

    Nuggets got beat because the Refs allowed the Mavs to dictate the game ie Physical, Physical, Physical… Brewer and Miller are the Keys to the Nuggets post season success, as most here should know I am not a fan of either, but the truth is if Brewer hits two more shots the Nuggets win, same for Miller.

    Problem is Playoffs will be physical and the Nuggets will not get the benefit of the whistle… Positive here is the Nuggets are good enough to win against any team in this scenario as long as Brewer and Miller can hit a “decent” percentage.

    Oh and with Ty coming back Turnovers should go down. So between the poor shooting percentages of a few players and the high amount of turnovers this game is a blow out in a playoff type game…
    Nuggets are in good shape and Ty looked good.

    • http://twitter.com/xantoniooo808x D3Ntilthe3ND

      How many wake up calls do they need?

      How many times before something is changed?

      • Ckwizard

        You know I want Miller gone as much as you, as you mentioned up above you and Googergieger were hard on Miller and Karl all year and deservedly so but what do you just not read my comments all year long?. Problem is we fans can be frustrated but we a fans have to live with our team or root for someone else.

        This team is a good fit for Karl’s style MINUS MILLER… But the reality this year is MILLER IS A PART OF IT and HE IS OLD AND HAS ALZHEIMER’s so he needs like a Bizzilion wake up calls.

        My supportive argue net for Millervthis year is this… Given the physical nature of playoff basketball he does have the Mentality to FIGHT… He may not be the best fighter but HE WILL FIGHT… Visit the link to see the mentality that I do like about him

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLAPJiETLCE

        But his fight isanintangible that will only be measured Durring the playoffs and I don’t put a lot of stock in his ability to carry the team, but he is what George Karl will use and I will cheer just the same.

        Next year My wish list is this 1) resign Igoudala 2) cut Miller 3) let Brewer and Mozgov walk 4) only add players via the draft 5) allow Fournier and Hamilton to enter the normal rotation.

        If these things happen I am happy to see Karl coach the team but if Iggy leaves, Miller stays and the Nuggets don’t make the WCF this year… I am on the Fire George Karl train again until next year and we drop more games lie this but we get into the playoffs and I once again hope for a different outcome. Sigh I like being positive about this team… Go Nuggets and Please Uriji force Karl’s hand next year if there isn’t growth in this years playoffs. Peace!

        • Fed up Nug

          Your wish list is 100% right on the money. The only thing can add is that I wouldn’t mind picking up Korver in the off season, I know there is a rumor going around that Masai is looking at him. With the loss of Gallo that could really help shore the team up in the beginning of next season.

          • http://espn herpderpnuggets

            i still think that we should keep brewer on this team, he has brought a lot this year and showed up big on a number of occasions, he brings a lot more than korver when it comes to talent.

            • Fed up Nug

              I could not disagree more. Korver has a higher FG%, 3FG% (over 15%), FT% (17%), eFG% (13%), TS% (12%) and averages more rebounds, more assists, less turnovers and less fouls. He would be a HUGE upgrade over Brewer.

        • Charliemyboy

          Never saw Miller clobber Blake like that. Awesome! And no foul called. He wins some and loses some, but wins more. It is a good balance for playoffs to have an experienced general. Some look at single plays instead of overall effect.

  • LDT710

    I am very fed up with this Karl/Miller love affair. From all the games I’ve watched I’ve come to the conclusion that you will get about an 80% effort from Miller on defense for 20-25 min span during the regular season. Any more playing time than that and it’s basically a power play 5-4 for the other team. With that said, I have seen Andre decide to play hard during the playoffs and steal a win for the Nuggets based on effort and his veteran savvy on offense. I’m holding out hope that happens a few times during the postseason. I know everyone is fuming like me after this loss, but I’m trying a find a silver lining (and hoping this does not cost us the third seed).

  • Rocco

    Andre Miller is going to have a heck of a time washing off that great big red bullseye of the front of his jersy. You know, the one the Mavericks kept zeroing in on possession after possession when they needed a score. Its one adn done if this guy is anywhere near the driver’s seat come playoff time. In the playoffs, defense is at a premium and weak links are swarmed on like hungry pirahna feasting o unsuspecting prey. Lat 6 minutes of any tight game, Dre needs to be on the bench where he will do no harm.

  • GK4Prez

    Miller played his ass off out there tonight, but he couldn’t get a call to save his life. I can’t believe you guys are blaming him for this loss. If someone else would have stepped up to help him, the Nuggets would have easily won this game.

    • Andrew

      He was 2/12, man. Sometimes he has bad games, and this was one of them. That’s not a crime, but Karl has to recognize it and use him less…maybe put Fournier in for more than 8 minutes in this game.

      • Fed up Nug

        It would help if those 8 minutes weren’t also with Dre and Ty on the floor with him.

    • Riley

      you must have been watching another game sir. many other players were stepping up and yet every time Miller touched the ball it seemed to become a turnover due to selfish, stubborn play. That’s why people hate on him

    • Adam

      There were MULTIPLE possessions where Dre had Chandler and/or AI9 wide opened but refused to pass and instead drove into traffic, or just straight up refused to pass. Chandler was balling hard tonight but must’ve pissed Dre off, you could tell on the final possession that Chandler wanted the ball when he was opened behind the arc, and Dre was just shrugging him off. He played selfishly all night, shot terribly, turned the ball over, and played terrible defense. He absolutely deserves all the criticism he’s getting right now.

      • Dubz

        I too have noticed certain times when Miller obviously ignores certain players on the court, especially Chandler but Iggy as well. This is very unfortunate because at the moment those are the 2 players who should be taking the MOST SHOTS on our team. Not Miller, Brewer. I love Brewer and what he’s brought to this team, but if he’s shooting the most shots on our team in the playoffs, we will loose in the 1st round. Book it. He’s just not as good offensively as Lawson, Chandler, and Iggy in terms of all around game. He’s fantastic at what he does (slash and occasionally shoot 3’s) but when he tries to do more, he can really struggle. Our big 3 have to carry us through these playoffs, and our current starting PG needs to recognize this.

      • Charliemyboy

        Karl needs to review the game with team and he will. Miller won’t be so selfish next time or he will have less minutes. JaVale is getting closer; did you see his lift tonight? Almost on top of the board! Timing is improving; so his his attention.

  • Mark from Charlotte

    GK4Prez, AMiller was terrible tonight. If you can”t score pass the ball.

    • GK4Prez

      Facetious

  • will

    Miller played hero cause he sometimes wins games like that (he did on his birthday). And sure Miller played poorly through four but benching him in favor of Fournier in OT just seems temperamental. Fournier played very well in the last 5 games – but 20 games ago people were frustrated that GK played Fournier at all (Fournier was not playing well).

    • googergieger

      Yeah kid only played in the first half and played good. Didn’t play at all in the second. Earlier in the season never really was given many minutes to judge either way. In any case, not like this game was lost in over time. We were up eleven at one point. Sure the refs not calling Dallas for one foul in the third hurt us but so did a lot of other things.

  • Fed up Nug

    My favorite part of tonight was when Karl let the Mavs go on a 13-0 run before calling timeout, I especially liked how Andre Miller took a three pointer right out of it extending it to a 15-0 run. Coach of the Year people!

    • Jeff

      Timeouts don’t really stop runs actually. So you loved the missed Andre Miller 3, did you hate the one he drilled right after that?

      • Fed up Nug

        And your proof of this is? And no, I’m not too fond of any guy shooting 26% taking any three point shots, let alone several.

    • Charliemyboy

      Did you forget what POP said about Karl? Take off your glasses and get out of bed; you might see the whole picture. Emotional overactions indicate immaturity.

  • LobCiudad

    Can’t put this entirely on Miller, and I’m not one of the Miller haters, but I definitely found myself scratching my head when GK refused to pull him when he was neither effective on his offensive drives to the basket, nor on the defensive end (which is expected at this point). Fournier deserved to play some more minutes and see if he couldn’t light a spark. This reminded me of the last Dallas game where they just shut down the paint on us and we became anemic on offense. Once that happens it exposes the fact that we have little consistency in shooting midrange and perimeter shots. In games like this Gallo’s value becomes more apparent. I’m not a doomsdayer, but I don’t think until tonight we got a clear example of how his ACL injury can really hurt our ability to win. He is the one who can hit shots when driving the lane and drawing defenders doesn’t work (as Miller unsuccessfully attempted several times resulting in turnovers). I wanted to see Fournier towards the end because, like Gallo, he is able to create his own offense when the ball slows down. Dallas has found a way to shut us down offensively twice now. If I were GSW or Houston I would study this game. It exposes some serious weaknesses in our offense. That being said, the foul on Dirk with .5 left on the shot clock had me screaming. Gotta hate it when whistles favor the allstar.

  • Ernie

    Two questions:

    1) Why wasn’t Miller subbed in for when they were should have been going offense/defense?

    2) Why wasn’t Faried subbed in for when they needed a three pointer in OT and their best shooter, Fournier, was still on the bench?

    • heykyleinsf

      both valid points Ernie.

  • googergieger

    In other news, nothing like Lakers getting 38 free throw attempts and Golden State getting 12 free throw attempts to help my rage go at something else for a while.

    • heykyleinsf

      that’s disgusting.
      I hate the Lakers so much..
      it can’t be healthy for me..
      I hate them sooo much.

      • heykyleinsf

        Trying not to be so consumed.. but look at this from ESPN..

        God have mercy on me for how much I hate the Lakers…

        “Ethan Sherwood Strauss, ESPN Insider: If you look at Kobe as a mythical figure, it was fitting. I don’t mean that I was happy about the injury. It’s awful. It’s just that Kobe is such a larger than life figure that the connection to Achilles was in concert with an incredible career that evokes Greek mythology.”

        • heykyleinsf

          just to cap this tangent..

          Lakers shot 50 free throws..
          Warriors shot 16

  • Josh

    Miller was frustrating to watch this game. I didn’t mind him taking it to the rim but he shot the ball way too many times on a night where he wasn’t connecting with the bottom of the hoop. When he was upset about missed calls he didn’t hussle back on D and tried to force the issue after. Not sure if this would have helped but perhaps taking Miller out and letting Lawson finish the game would have been a good idea. He would have had energy and played that *6th man role in the Fourth and OT. He was shooting very well and playing efficient. However, this game is not too costly, as long as we maintain the 3rd seed. We were not going to catch OKC or the Spurs for second anyways. Just hope to see Lawson get back to his February/March form again.

  • heykyleinsf

    Everyone else has said it..

    I completely agree.

    Miller was unbelievably horrible tonight and
    by leaving him in .. so was George Karl.

    Corey Brewer.. A++++

    Tom.. I like your grades in general.. but
    tonight.. way too generous of Miller. F-
    Brewer A+.. I like the rest.. and I may
    be exaggerating.. but still.. I think your
    own shot was off on those two grades.

    We have Fournier now.
    We still need Miller.. but there was no excuse
    to leave him in with an atrocious showing like
    that..

    GREAT NEWS THOUGH.. TY IS FINALLY BACK.

    • Tom

      Ultimately, the reason I gave Andre a non-failing grade is that I think he was doing the right thing by trying to get to the rim. Most games when the Nuggets aren’t playing well, that’s the rallying cry we scream at the TV — “go to the rim! Go get a layup or free throws!” If the officials had made one or two more calls (particularly on a late drive when Wright had one arm on Dre’s back and another on his chest), I think we’d be talking about Dre as a late-game hero (who still leaves his man too much on defense.)

      I do wish GK had played Lawson fewer minutes in the 2pg (and especially 3pg) lineup and kept him available for crunch time. He was limited to 20 minutes, but maybe 5-6 of those were sort of wasted with him playing off the ball.

      • heykyleinsf

        I appreciate the reply.

        I think there is something to be said for every
        player on this team..including a healthy Lawson..
        because there are nights when things are just
        not happening.

        For example… in the middle of the game..
        when the other team is on a double digit
        run of unanswered points.. you call a timeout
        to cool them off and stop their momentum.

        When a player is 1-11 from the floor..
        hook passing the ball out of bounds
        to nobody (not even the other team),
        and even missing free throws he usually
        makes.. it is not his night.. and
        while there have been plenty of nights
        when he nearly single handedly wins
        the game for us.. and there will be more..
        live to play another game.

        At least Gallo and Iggy have the humility
        to be gun shy when they’re cold..
        Miller seems to shoot and drive all the more.

        it’s up to GK to know when to say “when”
        it’s enough. We have Fournier.
        Fournier.. probably has a little Miller in
        him in a good way… again.. up to GK to
        pull them or to tell them to pull the trigger.

  • BroncNuggAvRock

    A C+ for Miller? Were you watching the same game I was? I realize he night not have earned an F, but a high C is outrageous. And for the horrible managing Karl did with the lineup tonight, he earns a C? You have just lost all my interest in reading this blog due to your unnatural ability to never give Miller or Karl the grades they deserve. Good day sir.

    • BroncNuggAvRock

      *might

    • heykyleinsf

      I agree.. jesus..
      how lost would that game have been
      without C-Brew??

      Can’t agree with that one or the non “F”
      for Andre Miller

  • googergieger

    Yeah I think I might just ignore these things when Tom grades them from now on. Lakers attempted more than three times the free throw attempts Golden State did. Looks like the refs wanted us to lose tonight so when they make Spurs lose, we won’t have a shot to get the second seed. Here is hoping we get treated better the next three games. Must wins!

    • Thomas

      Yes, there is a conspiracy against the Nuggets.

      Have you missed your medication again, sunny?

      • googergieger

        Dallas wasn’t called for one foul in that third quarter. Have at it.

  • Stephen H

    Ty should have closed game and god dang miller and Karl miller why not pass the ball to chandler who was wide open on inbounds play?

  • LobCiudad

    Thought these grades were really fair. Great job Tom. I have been discussing this loss with several Nuggets fans tonight, trying to figure out who blew it for us. The one thing that shut me up was my friend saying “The Nuggets just don’t matchup that well against the Mavs. Every team has a bad matchup.” I think it’s true, and I think we need to focus on the positive, which is Ty looks like he could be THAT dude again come playoff time, and that’s HUGE! Also, nobody has mentioned the fact that when we rotate Ty back in there is an adjustment. All of these players have expressed how differently Ty runs the offense. Not like he’s been gone forever, but this team really feeds on rhythm, and it’s fair to assume that with Ty back in the lineup, the rhythm has to be rediscovered. It’s good he was able to get minutes before playoffs so the team can reestablish the chemistry with Ty,

    • googergieger

      Well we owned them the first time we played. Beat them the second time we played after Gallo went down and the team was deflated. And they barely beat us tonight after the refs decided not to call one foul on them that entire third quarter!

      • LobCiudad

        That is true about the refs really helping them. I was flabbergasted by the whistles in the second half. I just saw very similar things happening in the last two games we played against them. They were really able to shut us down with quality defense towards the end, and they clogged the paint better than a lot of elite teams have been able to against the Nuggets. But it’s true, they got some help at the end.

  • Dubz

    As frustrating as this loss was, if re-integrating Ty into the flow of things came at the cost of a regular season game I’m ok with that. I know it wasn’t his fault we lost at all, but it might have thrown things off a bit chemistry wise. Another lineup comment, as much as Randolph has improved, I would rather Fournier take all of his minutes and for us to go a little smaller. I know on a night like tonight where Chandler got in foul trouble (which might be why Randolph played some? Didn’t watch the first 3 quarters) we need an extra “big” in there, but Fournier needs extra burn than 8 minutes. He’s a rookie but after this point in the season he’s already accustom to the NBa, especially after playing professionally over seas.

    Final note, as one of the few original Chandler supporters on here, I want to say he’s done a fantastic job of filling in at the starting SF. He truly is a starting worthy SF and GK might have to find a way to start both him and Gallo when Gallo returns. Maybe play Gallo at the 4 or Chandler at the 2 (even though he’s not a 2) but Chandler is too good to only get 25 mpg off the bench. Rant over. Also, Miller’s D on that Mayo 3 to end regulation wanted to me to throw something at my tv. He pinched in to maybe help with Dirk as if he’d do anything but foul the guy and left the best 3 point shooter on the floor WIDE OPEN. He absolutely cannot do that in the playoffs.

    • Dubz

      Coincidentally Denver Stiffs detailed this very play for which i criticized Miller. It turns out it wasn’t this simple and he had to chose between an open man under the basket or his man on the wing. I’d still rather he trust his teammates and stay on the best 3 point shooter on the floor but it wasn’t nearly as bad as I originally thought. I try to be as objective as possible so I’m willing to back down when I’m wrong!

  • Ryan

    Gotta win the last 3, only game that should be difficult is at Milwaukee because it’s on the road and game 2 of a back-to-back. However, they have nothing to play for, as they are stuck in the 8th seed and destined to be the Heat’s roadkill. With that in mind, there is no excuse for us not to get the 3 seed. Seize the moment, go Nuggets!!!

  • LobCiudad

    By the way, I’ve been reading this blog on and off for a long time, only recently got involved in the conversation, but I gotta say, I’m glad that for the most part commenters on this site confirm my long held belief that Denver fans are smart, classy and devoted. I learn a lot from reading the articles here, but almost as much from reading the opinions of other Nuggets enthusiasts on the boards. RMC is like a little sports sanctuary for me living out here in LA surrounded by delusional Laker fans.

  • Tom2

    I don’t know why people are surprised or upset. Gallo is out. Lawson is limited. Fournier is a rookie. Brewer can’t shoot and has never been able to. Koufos was bad, so he didn’t play much. Faried has hit the sophomore wall. Overtime game, so of course Miller played a lot of minutes as the only healthy PG. And the Nuggets have been a poor road team all year. It’s unreasonable to expect them to win every game or to not make mistakes.

    I’m just glad they forced overtime and made it a good game in a tough venue against a decent team.

    • Jeff

      Good points. I actually wasn’t that frustrated after this game. Save the amazing overtime wins for the playoffs.

    • zorba

      I agree with Tom, but what concerns me more is the condition of kk and faried (especially kk)who seem to be physically overstressed. kk has so far almost always done what was better for the team… but his choices last night make me think he needs a little rest in order to be in form for the playoffs…

      • googergieger

        I think Gallo going down has something to do with it. Gallo made the guys around him better. Plus/minus role players like Koufos rely on guys like Gallo a lot. Look at Collison without Harden anymore. He still brings positives to the table but he is much less effective.

        • Zorba

          I’m afraid you’re probably right…

        • Thomas

          Other way around – other players around made Gallo better.

          • Charliemyboy

            Uh, uh. Remember last year when Gallo hurt is hand? Nugs went downhill quick. When he got back with his wingspan, direction was changed. Intangibles. BUT, the Chandler effect is just as, but in a different way… He can score when he drives.

          • googergieger

            Well the on and off numbers totally support this. I mean they don’t. I mean nothing does. Literally nothing.

        • dynamo.joe

          Collison has improved in nearly every statistical category over last year.

          Not dramatically, but to say his production was dependent on Harden is clearly not true.

  • Vec

    Brewer shot way to much.. 6-20 for a spark plug off the bench, crazy! Brewer is a bench guy, not Kobe, Westbrook.. should never shoot more then 20x. And he gets a B! Should’ve gotten a C for his shot selection.

  • CJP32

    GK said after the game that he ‘cant have Brewer taking 20 shots’

    Well I agree that 20 shots is a lot for a bench guy, but when you have Chandler playing 9 minutes in the first half due to foul trouble and Dre shooting 0-8, where is the offense gonna come from? Thats essentially 2 starters not providing anything for almost 24 minutes. Iggy shot well to start with, then faded, Ty played well, and that was it. Fareid and KK will not but up big numbers.

    2/9 on 3s is bad, but they were shots Brewer normally takes from his spots. I counted 3 times he got brutally fouled going for layups. Again, he made the right defensive and hustle plays to get us back in the game. But tonight Dre stunk it up bad.

    I think once Ty is back to normal, we will see Brewers minutes drop to 26-30 which is spot on for him. Still though he came ready to play, and made some big stops in the 4th qtr.

    Also, I thought McGee had a great game – 2nd one in a row.

    • googergieger

      Fournier could have played more minutes? Ty shouldn’t have played minutes with Miller?

      • CJP32

        Yeah I agree. Evan should have played another 5 or so.

  • Giovanni

    If we pass the first round another ten years of George Karl…
    If we don’t pass the first round another year of George Karl(54 maybe more wins deserve another year of work)..

    Plus remain two year of contract for Miller…

    Maybe the golf is most interesting…

    • Charliemyboy

      No, George will be gone in 3-5 either way. Same team will have a championship w/in 3 years.

  • http://yahoo.com prospector

    I posted the stat of the day the other day… I said the nuggets were 8-1 without TY… WHY BECAUSE OF THE no SMALL BALL B/S (two PG’s) and iggy handling the ball more as a playmaker… AS well as IGGY, EVAN minutes together on the floor… I predicated when TY came back KARL would revert back to his same old b/s… GUESS WHAT??? He did… I mean playing EVAN, TY, and MILLER at the same time…. ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? Then letting Miller run buckwild at the end of the game and OT…. How many freakin games have we watched MILLER loss us this season??? Why the hell did he not bench Miller’s FAT self and put TY IN??? What about EVAN??? Miller was laying a goose egg for most of the game and ALL EVAN gets is 8 minutes???

    Karl learning nothing during TY’s absense… Iggy’s double figure assists, and EVAN’s scoring and playmaking mean nothing to that two point guard, MILLER loving PUNK that KARL is.. Karl is a stubburn know it all… All he loves to do is figure out how to play as many guys out of position as possible… We’d be better off with TY NOT PLAYING the rest of the season, because it would prohibit KARL from going two PG and opening up IGGY to be the main playmaker.. No disrespect on TY, it’s KARL I have a problem with… AGAIN WE WENT 8-1 in games without that two point guard b/s… YOU HEAR ME!!! 8 and freaking 1…. If KARL is a coach of the year why the hell has he not figured that out yet????

    News flash: Dallas can shoot the three at home… So can you explain to me WHY the hell was MILLER EVEN in the game?????????? So he could turn the ball over??? The dude is trying to work the paint like BARKLEY against DALLAS’s bigs… Come on….. Anyone who hasn’t figured out yet we’d be better off with no MILLER and only IGGY, TY, and STONE at PG hasn’t watched many basketball games….. Hello playoff losses.. Oh yeah.. Karl has his “we lost due to gallo card” ready to be played…. If MILLER is on this team next year, I will go crazy…

    One more thing: Why the hell did 50 year old MILLER play 38 minutes today after everything EVAN and IGGY showed us????????? There is not excuse for this kind of stupidity….. KARL you SUCK!!

  • CJP32

    I think what we will see now is Ty back to his starting role (maybe 20-25 mpg) and Dre back o his backup role

    I think Evan only gets minutes now if a big backcourt is needed, but with Playoffs starting soon, I think his days getting 10+ mins are finished.

    This means CBrew goes back to his 26mpg role and cuts down the shots-which is good. No need for him to shoot 20+ FGs

    Mins wise I think for the next 3 we will see something like:

    Ty 26, Dre 22
    Iggy 34, Dre 4, Evan 10
    Chandler 22, CB 26
    Faried 26, Chandler 10, AR 12
    KK 22, McGee 20, Faried 6

  • Cephus

    There’s plenty of blame to go around, I do join the universal consensus that Miller should not have played more then 25 minutes max. Fournier should have had the extra time. I

    f Evan is smart , he will clone Ray Allen’s shooting routine because between Miller aging another year & the need to keep Ty’s minutes to the low 30’s , there’s a place for a point guard who can run the system and hit from long distance.

    The loss is irksome, no doubt but Ty & Javale’s solid games are of some consolation. Those 2 are the leading essential wild card factors that have to gel for playoff success. I’m praying the gods of basketball don’t vindicate Carmelo’s power play snit during his last season by having the Knicks go farther in playoffs.

    George Karl has done so many things right to get the Nuggets in a position to break season win mark. For the love of God could someone show him the dismal win% when Miller plays 30+ minutes !

  • Will the NC Nugget

    Superstar calls win it again…..ZERO FOULS IN THE THIRD QUARTER AND A PHANTOM WHISTLE IN DIRKS FAVOR JUST AT THE RIGHT TIME !!!! No matter how good Denver is they will continue to be BS’d by the refs because we don’t have a Melo or Durant or Dirk …disgusting on officiating part not just this game but most games even when we win have been fighting the odds of the refs …just call the game not the jersey

  • Joshua

    Geez guys I’d hate to see this place when we’re not having the best season in franchise history.

    • LobCiudad

      Hahaha, I was thinking the same thing, seeing how the tone does 180 degree swings in the span of one loss. Passionate fans just can’t help it.

  • Ryan

    Miller may have been a lot of things today, but effective wasn’t one of them.

    He left three point shooters open, and their best one open in Mayo at the end of the game. His shot was repeatedly altered or blocked on his drives, and he played a selfish game.

    One of the most interesting things was when he wouldn’t throw the ball into our best three point shooter on the floor in Chandler when he got open and instead threw it to a contested Iggy at 30 ft. Is there a feud there?

    Either way, he can’t play that many minutes. Did Fourplay do something wrong to get benched in the second half? Why is Corey shooting the ball 20 times at a 30 percent clip? When they have Brendan Wright on Chandler, at the end of games he should iso every time.

    Lots of things to takeaway from yesterday, give Chandler and Fours more shots and Brewer and Miller less

    • http://yahoo.com prospector

      Ryan you haven’t received the KARL MEMO.. As long as MILLER is on this team he will get the preferential Minutes….. BYE, BYE, EVAN…. BYE, BYE IGGY triple doubles… HELLO TY and MILLER in the backcourt… One short guy that 3point shooters love shooting over, and another guy that hates playing defense… That’s the Karl receipe for championships……

      How has it worked??? He as #1 seed got punked by our beloved Nuggets….(Who had an inside enforcer in Dikembe).. And he has lost every year in the playoffs since… He had MELLO ( a superstar by lame media standards) and it got us zero…. He couldn’t win with KEMP, PAYTON, Schrempt, Perkins… And he won’t win here in DENVER…. Why because he refuse to bend in his philosophy… When injuries force him to bend, he does so begrudgenly (my spelling sucks)…. Results could be off the charts and he doesn’t care…. A rational person gets excited such as ” Wow, now we can play iggy and evan and rest miller and ty for stretches, thus making those guys minutes on the floor be more impactful…..”
      However, KARL will punk us by actually putting injured TY, lame MILLER, and EVAN on the floor TOGETHER at the same time in a must win game….. INSANE…. YES… VERY… Karl’s way has failed year after year in the playoffs.. He always has a different excuse…. Well I am sick of it….. But I am sad because I know as bad as KARL is the current collection of NBA coaches are far worse…. So we as nuggets fans are doomed to watch this failed KARL strategy over and over again, since one thing karl can do is get to the playoffs… I just wish that we could find a new coach from outside the fraternity, that could change the game… I am just a dreamer, and I am forcing myself to get used to the nuggets for what they are under KARL, a fast team with no half court game (due to KARL) that will get beat in the playoffs every year no matter who the cast of characters are…

  • Charliemyboy

    Go take a cold shower.

  • TR

    Andre Miller is going to cost the Nuggets this season. Seeing Karl blindly love this guy (and others like Anthony Carter) tells me it’s time for him to move on/get fired/quit. I really could care less which way as long as he leaves Denver and takes his lover Andre “cancer” Miller.

    Hard to be a Nuggets fan and see one man destroy your franchise and it’s future.