[UPDATE] Nuggets trade Rudy Gobert to Utah for 46th pick and cash; trade Koufos for Arthur?

According to The Denver Post’s Benjamin Hochman, the Nuggets will trade Rudy Gobert to Utah for the 46th pick in the draft and cash. More analysis to come!

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UPDATE: According to ESPN’s Marc Stein, the Nuggets are also working on trading Kosta Koufos to the Memphis Grizzlies for Darrell Arthur and the 55th pick in the draft.

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  • googergieger

    I thought we were going to move Miller along with him as well.

  • Darren

    This guy can dunk from his tip toes… He seems a little like McGee with the slight framed shot blocker. That’s not a bad thing, but it sounds like he needs to be developed quite a bit to transition to the NBA scene. Great tools, needs to learn how to use all of them.

  • heykyleinsf

    Oh. Gee. Wow. Well. Yeah. That’s great. OK. Just what I wanted. More cash for Mr. Kroenke. Thanks mister! Didn’t want an exciting first round player or nothin…

  • herpderpnuggets

    Probably gonna use that cash to keep iggy. Just wish we could’ve dumped miller too

    • heykyleinsf

      I understand the money part for not paying a rookie from a cap hit perspective.. but not sure how the cash from the Jazz offers us spending strategy. We could have given a rookie the basic $2M. I don’t want to see Iggy get undeserved war bucks.. I think Iggy needs a pay cut anyway with a 5 year deal. We should save money with Iggy or let him walk. Sign him at tops.. 5Y/$55M and boom… we can afford a first rounder.

      • googergieger

        This allows us to resign Iggy and still have some flexibility to do other things. I mean still not a sure thing we get Iggy back. It is really important we do our best to get him to come back. Not give him a max, but not lose him because a team was willing to pay an extra one or two mil.

        • heykyleinsf

          I think $11M a year.. in a LT deal.. is more than generous. Going much further north over that.. we’re looking at one (seriously overrated) player getting 1/4th the team cap. I just can’t agree with that. I absolutely want him back and LT.. but why mortgage the future on him?

          • heykyleinsf

            HOLY SHIT WE GOT ERICK GREEN!! Please ignore my bitching about no first rounder.. ABSOLUTE STEAL!!!

          • googergieger

            He isn’t overrated, except by people that don’t understand basketball. Like Bill Simmons who says Harden is a top player in the league despite the fact he doesn’t even try on defense, and on the off chance he does, fails immediately. Despite the fact he gets the superstar treatment of not getting fouls called on him. Iguodala is the best perimeter defender in the game. Even if the politics of the NBA, doesn’t recognize him for it. I’m not saying give him a max, but again if the difference between him being here and somewhere else is something totally doable because we’ve saved money elsewhere and still allows us to do other things in the future, well no reason we shouldn’t do everything we can to get him to come back. As long as it doesn’t make us incapable of doing anything else.

            • LBJ

              Our offseason success rests on signing Iggy. If we fail – what happened tonight will have little impact on next season.

              • googergieger

                Yup. I mean everything else is minor tweaks and wait and sees, really. Iggy is our defense, with Gallo out, and our most important defensive player when Gallo comes back. Hopefully McGee and Faried develop under Shaw, mind you, but Iggy did wonders with our team last year in regards to defense.

              • David Acker

                Agreed everything else is minor. Nuggets need some D and some shooting. Iggy is vital to their forward success, So is the health of Gallo. Chandler didn’t show up in the playoffs like I thought he would and the only thing saving his bacon is Gallo’s injury. We still need some more than just consistent jump shooters to make this team a legit contender. Don’t give me the wait and sees with Hamilton and Fournier, give me some Kyle Korver or equivalent. The Nuggets contender window is open. GO FOR IT KRONKE!

            • heykyleinsf

              I totally agree.. he’s integral. I’m not seeing him worth 25% of the payroll though. Nobody seems to see the downside of getting ridiculous over Iggy. There is a point where we pay way too much and look silly. There is a point of being stupid desperate for Iggy. I never said I don’t like him. I just don’t see him as that important. Hope he returns. If not? Fuck him. Seriously.

              • googergieger

                I forget if I decided to ignore you way back when or if it was someone else. He is very important to our success. Especially with Gallo out for a good portion of next year. He is our defensive anchor, and without Gallo, he is pretty much our defense entirely.

              • dynamo.joe

                ” I never said I don’t like him”
                You said that in literally every post this past season.

  • chris

    I dont want to trade anything with Utah, i want them to always Suck for as long as possible.

  • dynamo.joe

    God dammit! Are we back to this picks for cash shit?

    We had one of the top draft prospects fall to us at 27 and decided we didn’t want to win that many games.

  • chris

    Kenneth Farid to the bench thats all that means>

    • Alex

      correct faried has trouble with defending and have no post moves with this trade that means we fix both

      • googergieger

        Well, ideally you, I don’t know, teach players to get better where they need to get better? Faried is going to still start. He just is going to be taught how to defend better. As far as post moves go, they should get Barkley to work with him. Heck, he was developing a midrange game. We’ll be good with that. At least for now.

      • LBJ

        Looks like we may keep Timo…

        • Alex

          yes yes it does

        • sherlock

          I think that’s a good thing. Ya?

      • Alex

        its has been talked about should faried be starting his numbers overall were less productive and Arthur is bery solid all around faried will lose his starting spot or would be the right decision to do so

        • LBJ

          I think Faried coming off the bench with energy may be a good thing. He can still get his 25-30 minutes a game.

          • David Acker

            Don’t disagree with that when Gallo comes back. Start Chandler at the 4 Gallo at the 3. Your bench would be the likes of Faried at the 4, Randolph at 4 or 5, Hamilton at 3, Fournier at 2, Mozzie at 5, and hopefully someone brand new at the 1

        • pgwarner

          Faried 2 years 43 DD. Arthur 4 years 5 DD.

        • dynamo.joe

          Faried is only 10 times the player that Arthur is, so yes plz, move Faried to the bench for the waste of space that is Darrel Arthur.

  • LBJ

    Ricky Ledo with #46???

  • Alex

    lets get scoot wood
    best shooter in the draft

    besides hernandez of course

    • heykyleinsf

      I have to admit that was funny…
      Even though I don’t want to..

  • heykyleinsf

    just looked up the cap salaries for K2 and Arthur.. about the same.. but Arthur makes about a half million more… so… I am just guessing the Nuggets think this draft isn’t top heavy and they may be right. Picking up two picks and a swap for 5s.. I am guessing they like the depth in the draft.. and Kalen.. most of your guys are still there it would appear…

    • Alex

      it sends faried to the bench with this trade

      • heykyleinsf

        Sorry.. this doesn’t make sense. Faried needs to go to the bench while McGee needs to start? McGee is starting now.. why wouldn’t Faried still? Occam’s razor. I love Faried’s game.. it seems more to me like a match up against particular teams and players.. whereas others Manimal destroyed. I see Faried as a work in progress.. And I’m betting Shaw wants to put his touches on it.

  • Alex

    all right i was wrong this was actually a really solid move by tim here

  • googergieger

    I mean me and several others were pushing for Mozgov and McGee to get most minutes last year, just because Mozgov was the most physical big we had and McGee had(has) the most potential. Karl opted to prove a point with Koufos though. Koufos moving tells me they are probably going to move Miller as well. Especially with us getting Green. Arthur is a question mark though. Randolph really impressed last year. Just because Arthur has a proven midrange I suppose. Isn’t his contract expiring next year as well? Or is it the year after? Think the second we (hopefully) resign Iggy we move Chandler or Gallo though. To open up some minutes for Evan and Hamilton. Iggy can spend some time at the three, and Chandler and Gallo can play the stretch four some as well. Interesting to see what this new guy is up to. With Karl gone, I’m really hopeful for next year. Just to see some guys finally develop. Hopefully some real accountability and such as well.

    • LBJ

      We aren’t moving Gallo – Iggy isn’t going to resign to rebuild. Unless we can put together a package for a big name (Aldridge, perhaps) I doubt we are dealing Ill Will, as he will be our starting #3 until Gallo gets back.

      • googergieger

        Gallo will eventually come back though and then what happens with Chandler? Who wants to start and get minutes. Then what happens with Evan and Hamilton? I think until Gallo comes back you start Iggy at the three and Evan at the two. Hamilton finally gets some real time off the bench. Move Chandler and Miller, I say. Plenty of teams in the east would love to have Chandler to throw at James, I reckon. Miller, to whoever wants him. Memphis could probably use a back up point or someone else that could use a back up point? Problem would be back up point for us probably but Iggy and Gallo can handle the ball well. Evan isn’t too bad and will get better. Are we getting Stone back? Do we make Green our immediate back up point? I don’t know, I think a few guys are moveable. And do need to be moved because we do have a logjam of wings.

        • LBJ

          I assume we will clear our logjam at wing by letting C Brew go and Iggy missing half the year. I’m not convinced that J Ham will ever do much, I like Fournier much better. If we trade Miller, I would keep Green, Q Miller and Stone – they all will not have guaranteed deals.
          As far as Ill Will trying to guard LeBron – he would probably foul out in a quarter with all his reaching and slapping.

          • googergieger

            I assume you mean Gallo missing half the year, and that still means, Iggy/Evan at the two, Gallo/Chandler at the three. Iggy is going to get big minutes. Gallo eventually will get big minutes. Chandler wants big minutes. Evan needs some minutes. And I agree with Hamilton, I think he needs to go to a real rebuilding team. Chandler is a three body with some talent. Teams that want to beat the Heat, need that. I agree with his defense. Still don’t know why people even want to argue he is a better defender than Gallo. He is stronger in the post, but Gallo is amazing at denying the ball and fronting his man. OKC could even be interested in Chandler, because Durant can’t defend three’s or four’s when he plays that position. Wouldn’t mind Sefalosha for insurance if Iggy would get into foul trouble. Think he is on an expiring as well? Memphis and Clips could use an SF as well.

  • googergieger

    Anybody have any idea what to think about Joffrey Lauvergne?

    • dynamo.joe

      He’s the bastard son of the incestuous relationship between Ser Jaime Lannister and Queen Cersei Lannister.

      You knew someone would post it.

      • googergieger

        I totally get that reference. I mean I don’t, but sure why not.

  • Ernie

    We let our numbers guys go, then do a trade with Memphis whose front office is dominated by statisticians. Perhaps McGee’s asthma will be solved next year and it won’t matter, but I am guessing we did not get the best of Memphis in this K2 for Arthur trade.

    • googergieger

      We also got Joffrey Lauvergne. 6’11 Frenchman. McGee and Mozgov are two centers who don’t wilt away under physical play. McGee does need to be developed, and Mozzy is a big body with a midrange game. Kosta was fundamentally sound? Plus/minus? I mean given all the chances in the world mind you. Chances McGee never got even when playing out of his mind good. This trade is good for us. Doesn’t make us remarkably better, but Arthur has a proven midrange, and McGee needs real minutes and Mozgov is a more than capable back up center.

    • googergieger

      We also got Joffrey Lauvergne. 6’11 Frenchman. McGee and Mozgov are two centers who don’t wilt away under physical play. McGee does need to be developed, and Mozzy is a big body with a midrange game. Kosta was fundamentally sound? Plus/minus? I mean given all the chances in the world mind you. Chances McGee never got even when playing out of his mind good. This trade is good for us. Doesn’t make us remarkably better, but Arthur has a proven midrange, and McGee needs real minutes and Mozgov is a more than capable back up center.

      • dynamo.joe

        This trade is horrific. We probably just lost an additional 8 games.

        • googergieger

          Well at least you explain why you believe that. Well you didn’t, but I’ll explain it for you.

          “I didn’t watch the playoffs”-dynamo.joe

          • dynamo.joe

            Cuz

            http://www.thenbageek.com/players/compare?utf8=%E2%9C%93&player_ids%5B%5D=147&player_ids%5B%5D=73

            You just traded one of the leagues best paint defenders and most efficient scorer for a guy who does nothing well and a late 2nd round pick.

            • googergieger

              Well ignoring the fact efficient scorer means nothing when most of your shots come from around the rim. Made even more meaningless when you attempt little of them. Koufos played how many minutes again this year? Granted he played more minutes at center than anyone else on our team, but still. Koufos struggled with competent and physical bigs. He was great when he had to defend your DeAndre Jordans and what have you.

              Again did you not watch the playoffs? Guy along with Karl is the reason Bogut’s career isn’t dead.

              • dynamo.joe

                Apparently you have a short term memory problem, if all you can remember is the playoffs. I agree with you he was bad in the playoffs and actually fell apart with about 7 games left in the regular season. That doesn’t negate how well he did in the regular season. And it certainly doesn’t mean you should trade for someone who is worse at everything.

                You say (or someone did) he can shoot, but it’s a lie.

                http://vorped.com/bball/index.php/player/shotchart/1073-Darrell-Arthur/season/2012-2013-REG

                What he can do is miss mid-range shots. Well, anyone can do that.

                He is a better FT shooter, but he gets to the line even less than Kosta.

                You say anyone can score at the rim, but look at that shot chart again and it’s clear that Darrell Arthur can’t.

              • googergieger

                What you are describing is a long term memory problem, as clearly my short term memory works wonderfully. Much more, you are using selective reasoning and beyond cherry picking arguments. Per 48 is a horrible argument any time you want to argue anything but a maybe potential. Koufos did great when we had Gallo and Iggy who are jack of all trades on both sides of the court and he did great when he didn’t have to defend a competent and/or physical big.

                Much more Arthur has a career true shooting percentage of 49%. Which is more than good considering where most of those shots come from. Apparently you really just love Koufos to the point where anything showcasing how bad he was or how good he was having to do more with who was around him, and anything showcasing how good Arthur is, is just thrown out the window. This ain’t the Texas GOP, mon frer. Logic, rules, and whole picture arguments, please.

              • dynamo.joe

                Please. Just stop. Per 48 minutes are the only ones that count because we have no idea how minutes are going to be split.
                Darrell Arthur’s TS% doesn’t even rate as average for his position and a smart team will let him take those bad mid-range shots all day. The only ones you actually have to contest are from the top of the key. So defenses can still clog the paint.

              • googergieger

                Really? Koufos would average forty eight minutes and Arthur would as well in your scenario? Cause in mine, both average maybe twenty at most. Trading two role players. One of which was one of the reasons we lost in the first again. The other is one of the reasons Memphis went to the conference finals. Granted he did so as a role player, but you know, that is what I said.

  • Jakester

    Arthur will not be anything special, just an improvement with shooting. now we know who the nuggets want at the Center for the future. if Karl was still here, we know koufos would stay and the rookies/sophs would be benchwarmers. I would love to see the Nugs look at LaMarcus Aldredge possibly. because who knows how the forward situation fares

  • Isoc Von Tronstein

    Always been a fan of Arthur, we haven’t had a true PF that can come off the bench and do a little bit of everything for a while. Not expecting that much of Arthur, just to make a shot or two, play solid defense and grab some boards. Now does Denver re-sign Mozgov, if not they would only have one true center in McGee, I would like to have a backup, which I’m sure the Nuggets would like too.