BREAKING NEWS: Andre Iguodala Agrees to Terms With Golden State

As reported on Twitter from Yahoo!’s Adrian Wojnarowski Andre Iguodala has agreed to a contract with the Golden State Warriors.

 

This becomes another blow to the Nuggets who now will enter next year with a new head coach, general manager, and at least three new members of the starting lineup as Danilo Gallinari recovers from ACL surgery.

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  • Scott

    I bought his jersey… Owes me $100

    • Brad from Arvada

      I bought the $10 Iggy tee, thinking this might happen. Maybe I’ll get a $20 Millsap tee in a couple months.

      • EWilson

        Hang onto it. What with the bucks an Aaron Hernandez jersey commands these days, you never know if it will be worth something in the future. ;-)

  • Anthony Santistevan

    The team that knocked us out of the playoffs wasn’t just quite done yet with kicking our ass…now they are! Wow….

    • ryanvdonk

      Well at least now there’s a guard in oakland who won’t make us pay for leaving him open behind the arc.

  • Duane Grasmick

    I guess we now go to rebuilding mode. Not suprised he went somewhere else but was hoping it would be East.

  • Charliemyboy

    I thought management was very optimistic about keeping him? Has one of their decisions been good since they dropped Karl on the floor? What goes around comes around. I hope their reputation does not proceed them.

    • LBJ

      Josh needs to be working the register at Walmart.

  • @LoganSpieler

    This makes me so sad. I’m really going to miss him and their aren’t any good replacements…

  • herpderpnuggets

    well shit…..well now i have another reason to hate the warriors. at least this allows the nuggets to pursue other big names in free agency, and possibly make a trade for a big name

    • sherlock

      Now that Iggy is gone and speaking of sign and trades…what’s the thought about getting K Love? We’d prolly have to give up Manimal/McGee and Will. I think it would help McGee defensively, buuuuuut Love would slow our pace down considerably. He’s got some range though and is an absolute monster on the boards.

      • herpderpnuggets

        i think what we need now is a wing defender, not a stretch 4, but that is an option

      • Brad from Arvada

        K-Love is a locker room pariah. Love his numbers, of course, but what a jerk and self-inflated whiner. Maybe I think that only because he’s not a Nugget . . .

        • sherlock

          lol…i’ve never got a handle on who is as a person. In the interviews i’ve heard he’s seems pretty likable. I think he does want to be the go to guy (numbers). I dunno I kinda like his game. The available free agents now make me nauseous haha.

          • Brad from Arvada

            Milsap, Landry or Hickson could help this team in the low post. Not sure about who replaces Iggy on the wing. Would love to see Fournier get a lot of minutes — his defense was also impressive (that is, before the playoffs).

        • ryanvdonk

          i’d rather go after Alrdridge if we’re gonna swing for the fences in a trade. polished post game, great size for a 4, good midrange…and think of twin towers with him and javale on defense.

          • Brad from Arvada

            We can dream . . .

            • ryanvdonk

              hard to tell exactly what all of portlands contracts look like since the TM hasn’t been updated for next season… but maybe something like this http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pudmmze or include one of their bad contracts and add one of our young wings or get another team in the mix.

              • Brad from Arvada

                Nice trade. I’d do it. But since we need a 2 pretty badly, how can we get Batum? What about Miller/Faried for Batum/Hickson. Nugs get a good scoring, above avg. defender at the 2. Portland gets a backup point guard. Hickson and Faried are the same player but I believe Hickson’s a better rebounder.

              • ryanvdonk

                i think the consensus was wesley matthews was the odd man out in portland who might be shopped, and he’s a more traditional 2, good defender and shooter.

  • Erlingur Grétar Einarsson

    4 years, $48 mil. That’s less per year than the talked-about 5-year, $63 mil offer from Denver. I guess that tells us which team Iguodala thinks is closer to competing for a title…

    • David Tesler

      And Iggy will get stuck in a non-playoff mode for the next 4 years. Nuggets will go to the Finals for the next four years, without Iggy.

      Iggy is a confirmed idiot, and Nuggets still have time to get him out of the GS mode before any damages are done. Deal is not official until the 10th.

      And Josh Kroenke still needs to sell the team, if Iggy can’t stay with the Nuggets, then Kroenke is just as worthless because it’s all about how fucking cheap the moron is. 12 fucking million a year that GS wants to pay Iggy to play for a team that’s about to go down in the toilet…

      And yes, you may continue to criticize me.

      • herpderpnuggets

        i understand you are angry, we are all angry, but no need to say ridiculous things. Just simmer down, there are plenty of trade scenarios and free agents that we can pursue this offseason, that can make up for his defense

  • David Tesler

    12 million dollars a year? Ok. Golden State is going down. Like a $1 whore.

    Iggy will get a new curse effective immediately.

  • Erlingur Grétar Einarsson

    This could also either mean that the Warriors are lining up to trade Harrison Barnes or Klay Thompson to create cap space for Dwight Howard, or that they’ve received word that Howard’s choosing someone else.

    • herpderpnuggets

      they signed iggy which takes them out of the dwight howard run

      • Brad from Arvada

        I agree with herp

        • David Tesler

          And do we have any space to sign Dwight Howard?

          Count me out as a disinterested fan now until Josh and Papa Stan Kroenke sells the Colorado inventories of their sports “empire” which I’m hearing is in very serious trouble. Especially with Arsenal.

          • EWilson

            According to ESPN, the Warriors can only get Howard with a sign and trade with the Lakers. Good luck with that. If they have to do it, the Lakers would extort as much as they could from Golden State to do it. So basically, the Warriors would be looking to win with a Big Three of Curry, Iguodala and Howard. That isn’t enough, if you ask me.

      • EWilson

        Not sure that’s true. It really depends on how much salary they were able to dump on Utah. Still, if they are able to sign Howard, they will basically be committed to that team to win because they’ll have absolutely NO salary flexibility or draft picks to improve it.

  • sherlock

    Ugh…I had a feeling he was looking at GS real hard after the playoffs. This sucks.

  • Anthony Santistevan

    Wow…well, you can’t say we didn’t try

    Denver offered Andre Iguodala a 4-year, $52M deal — as well as 5-year scenarios — before he accepted Warriors deal, sources tell Y!— Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) July 5, 2013

    • Pickles1731

      Agreed. We can’t get mad at Kroenke and Connelly at all during this process. They gave Iggy some great deals and made it known that they wanted to keep him. Clearly Iggy just didn’t like the direction our team was going.

      • dynamo.joe

        Ya, Iggy didn’t like our direction. Who is responsible for that if not Kroenke and Connelly?

        • Pickles1731

          Connelly kind of got thrown into the fire, so you can’t really blame him too much. But its really sucky that Kroenke didn’t just pay up for Masai and refuse to let him talk to the Raptors. Really surprised that Iggy didn’t want to play for a defensive minded coach like Shaw though. Some would argue that the Warriors had even worse defense than we did, odd choice in my opinion.

  • EWilson

    I think Iggy is going to discover that Golden State isn’t any closer to a title than Denver was with him, particularly since they may well have sent a RAFT of draft choices to Utah to unload the salary they needed to unload to sign him. The team they have now better be a title winning team because they aren’t going to be able to add much more. And, I really think everything went right for them this year just to get eliminated in the second round.

    • Duane Grasmick

      I actually don’t understand this move for Golden State unless they are gonna trade Harrison Barnes….Iggy in the long run does not fit better with Golden State than Barnes does. Who goes to the bench…Barnes, Thompson or Iggy?

      • EWilson

        Actually, I’m with you on this. Unless they can get Howard, they’re still a thin team up front. (And even with him, they’re not deep there.) They’ve simply added another perimeter player to a team with TONS of perimeter talent. Basically, they’ve added some perimeter defense, but to accommodate him they’ll have to cut into their perimeter offense.

        • Brad from Arvada

          I don’t know, EW, they had Bogut for just a couple weeks at end of season and in the playoffs. I hate the guy, but he immediately made them potent in the post. Don’t think they need Howard, esp. if they keep Landry.

          • EWilson

            Assuming he stays healthy. Plus, Steph Curry’s ankles are aren’t exactly pristine, either.

            • Brad from Arvada

              Truthfully, I think whoever gets Howard is not going to immediately become the toast of the West. Of course he ‘bounds and blocks, but he’d never proven that he can provide team chemistry around his game. Chances are any team that gets him will experience the same D12 that the Lakers did — self-absorbed and unmotivated.

          • EWilson

            Plus, Bogut, Lee and Landry aren’t exactly the Great Wall of China defensively.

            • Brad from Arvada

              Except against Nugs in playoffs. tee-hee

              • EWilson

                That was more a matter of politeness. The Warriors big men said: “Please, have a nice, safe trip to the hoop.” The Nuggets replied: “Oh no, we couldn’t do that.”

              • Brad from Arvada

                Awesome reply, EW!

            • Qmill30

              Bogut is one of the best big men defenders in the league when healthy. Lee is terrible yes and Landry isn’t great

      • LBJ

        Iggy just replaces Jack. Barnes looked better at the 4 than he did at the 3 – I suspect he will get PT there next year, even if they keep Lee.

      • RickP

        I’m a visiting Golden State fan, although I also like the Nuggets.

        I don’t understand the trade either. Honestly, not any of it. I wanted the W’s to resign Jack and Landry (who have now gone elsewhere) and get a backup PG (which they still need). My view was that GS was a championship caliber team, if healthy (a big if). Only the W’s and the Heat beat SA in the post season.

        So, they gave 4 picks to Utah and unloaded 24 million in salary, all expiring after a year and all players who gave the W’s little or nothing last season. Rush is the only quality piece there. Apparently, the W’s get trade exceptions back and can now sign other players even besides Iggy, or something. But, capology just gives me a headache. I don’t claim to understand fully why the Ws did it or why Utah did it either.

        I don’t know Iggy’s game all that well. Is he capable of being a playmaker? I loved him in the W/Nuggets series. But I don’t recall him running your offense.

        Fact is, this W team was pretty good defensively most of the season. Both Barnes and Thompson play D, so I didn’t quite get the need for a great defensive 3 — well, I get it, but 4 picks?

        One thing I’m happy about is that you guys liked him.

        Anyway, I wish you luck against everybody else next season.

  • Brad from Arvada

    Look for J&SK to start getting really creative now. (Don’t think that J’s decisioins are not greatly influenced by the S!) They won’t just look at FAs. They will also be looking at blockbuster trades that are completely off the radar, not unlike the Iverson trade a few years ago. Hold on to your hats, something huge is about to hit the fan in Nuggets Nation.

    • EWilson

      I seriously hope that DOESN’T happen. Rushing out to grab someone just to make something happen is an ill-advised strategy.

      • Brad from Arvada

        EW, we HAVE to rush out and grab someone. That’s not foolishness, it’s a necessity.

      • MacKenzie Pantoja

        Relax. There is no one to grab

        • Mikey K

          Isn’t that illegal to be grabbing at people?

    • herpderpnuggets

      filling iggys void is gonna be tough, a really tough offseason now in the hands of some not so proven people

    • Duane Grasmick

      You almost get the feeling they now evaluate what they have with Jordan Hamilton (good or bad or both) and Evan Fournier at the 2 for the season and then go into the 2014 draft (which should be loaded) looking to get a star.

      • EWilson

        Not a bad strategy, though it might make for a disappointing year this season.

      • herpderpnuggets

        i doubt kroenke would want tanking on his resume, but it is an option. i bet the nuggets are going to try and land a big name this offseason

        • Brad from Arvada

          Maybe not a big name, but S&JK will find someone (or more than one) to improve this team.

      • Duane Grasmick

        I don’t think playing Hamilton and Fournier means we are tanking. Puts more of an emphasis on Lawson making more strides to greatness and the development of Faried offensively. Staying around .500 until Galinari comes back is the key to the season.

    • LBJ

      The only hitting the fan is our playoff streak.

  • Brad from Arvada

    Matt, losing Iggy is not the “blow” that you think it is. Hell, if he would have made just 75% of his free throws Nugs win at least 5 more games. Loved his defense . . . but HATED his indecisiveness, free-throw %, 3-pt. %, lack of leadership. Overall Iggy was a, not huge but, annoying disappointment last year.

    • Duane Grasmick

      He turned the ball over quite a bit as well

      • Nathan

        Silver lining?

        • Brad from Arvada

          Maybe, but there was a reason Philly let him go too. Fans and his teammates were fed up with his mediocrity. He was included on the Olympic team for one reason — lock down defense on the wing. And that is all Iggy proved here that he could do well. Is that alone worth $12 mil?

  • Nathan

    All I wanted was a new coach since we got booted again from the playoffs. But now I guess it might be time to blow the entire thing up. 3 starters gone for most of the year, and a complete leadership overhaul. Damnit. With the current roster Denver is looking at a 40 win season. Might make the playoffs but is that really where we want to be? Trapped in the middle is no-man’s land in the NBA. Better to tank hard for a superstar- unless Nuggets organization thinks we can somehow get another top seed.

    Sigh.

    • LBJ

      Our chances for making the playoffs are pretty much gone. Time to start rooting for our pin pong ball.

      This offseason has been a total cluster fuck. Thanks, Joshy boy!

      • Mikey K

        Do you trust them to make the RIGHT pick if, by some miracle of God, the Denver Nuggets win the 2014 Draft Lottery? At this point, it’s debatable.

  • MacKenzie Pantoja

    Given that O.J. Mayo is apparently a Buck, though potential Iguodala replacements make me want to vomit. Monta Ellis. Gary Neal. Mike Dunleavy. Ronnie Brewer. Corey Brewer. I’d be embarrased if any of them started. If I had to choose, I suppose Wesley Matthews is a bit of an odd man out in Portland. After that I would choose Fournier

    • Brad from Arvada

      Trade winds are blowin’, and not just for FAs. Like you, Mac, I want to see Fournier a lot more, as long as he brings his reg. season game and not his playoff game.

      • MacKenzie Pantoja

        I don’t know if we have a ton of movable assets. Jordan Hamilton for sure. I would hate trading a first round pick from next year’s draft, but it is one of the few assets we have. One movable asset is Chandler, but we can’t move him unless we find someone else to play small forward until Gallinari comes back. We haven’t shown a ton of interest in resigning Corey Brewer, so that rules him out. After doing a bit of research, Al Farouq-Aminu makes the most sense as a potential small forward while Gallinari is hurt in the event we trade Chandler, plus Connelly traded for Aminu back in New Orleans (and clearly Connelly was the one who wanted him, since GM Dell Demps let him go after his best season). I think that is the ideal situation. Sign Aminu, trade Chandler and Andre Miller to Portland for Wesley Matthews (Chandler is probably better than Matthews overall, but I think we would love to shed Andre Miller’s contract/defense, plus Portland has cap space and lacks both a backup point guard and a true point guard), and start Matthews at the 2 and Aminu at the 3 until Gallinari’s return

        • EWilson

          Farouq is perfect for the Nuggets. He can’t shoot a lick. He’d fit right in. Though I’m sarcastic, I actually don’t think signing him to a reasonable contract would be that bad a move.

          • Brad from Arvada

            Mac, about your comment, “There’s no way we trade McGee and don’t get a center in return,” we don’t need two 5s. Some teams (i.e. Miami) don’t need any because their 4s can play and defend the 5 just fine. I’m not going to pretend like I know who the hell is available out there besides the FAs that are on the board. But I do know that we need someone more dependable in the post than McGee/Moz, and I’d trade either of these lumbering 7-footers to get a solid, well-rounded 3, 4, or 5 for our rotation (which is why I liked the Koufos deal for Arthur – a 5 for a 4). Keep in mind that the Kronks will not limit themselves to the FA board, if they want a player and he can be had, they’ll pay/trade to get him, ala Iverson. BTW, I also have never thought of Matthews being the solid defender you say he is, I think of him as a Vinny Johnson-type 3-pt. threat.

        • Brad from Arvada

          Nice research, Mac. Might work. I know very little about Aminu, but looks like he’s shown steady improvement each year. I don’t think Matthews comes close to addressing defense we’re missing now w/o Iggy, and Chandler’s our best defender at the 4. Whether he’s a true 1 or not, I think Blazers view Lillard as such? And if we trade Miller . . . who is the Nugs backup 1 . . . Fournier? I’d package Miller with either of our 5s plus first-rounder for a great defensive wing (Deng?) or big (L. Sanders or T. Chandler).

          • MacKenzie Pantoja

            I don’t think anyone thinks Miller is worth is 5 million dollar salary, especially with that crappy defense, so he’s a negative overall. No one can make up for Iggy’s defense, but Matthews is above average, proving to be tough, physical, and competitive. Regardless, Portland literally doesn’t have a backup point guard. Erick Green could get some time as the backup point guard, and, frankly, there are always serviceable backup point guards available. There’s no way we trade McGee and don’t get a center in return, there’s no way we trade Mozgov, Miller, and a first round pick and get someone like Deng, and Sanders and Chandler don’t really fix our problem at the two

    • Duane Grasmick

      Dunleavy to Chicago

      • MacKenzie Pantoja

        My bad

  • Eric Wolf

    I am actually not too upset about this. It stinks that Iggy went to GS, considering the contentious nature of the playoff series. However, I would like to see Fournier get his minutes, sink or swim. That kid has got vast potential. Iggy was already at his ceiling.

    • dynamo.joe

      And that ceiling was higher than Fourniers potential.

      • googergieger

        Well no, Evan can be the second coming of Ginobli. Except hopefully not a corpse majority of the time and a bit more controlled as well.

        • dynamo.joe

          That’s a massive reach goog, I like the kid but Ginobli should have been “in the discussion” for MVP once or twice and should be in HOF at some point. HOF voters are idiots and Ginobli isn’t a scorer, so maybe that doesn’t happen, but it should.

          • googergieger

            How is that a reach? Fournier’s ceiling is Ginobli. I didn’t say he is Ginobli. I’m saying that is his ceiling.

  • ny nugs fan

    i hear iguodala on that, but personally i’d rather play for shaw than mark jackson in that scenario; i think right now that gives the nugs the edge over the warriors

    i wouldn’t mind seeing the nugs make a run at klay thompson; that kid has been torching us since the very first game he played against us

    let’s go!

  • Cullen

    Okay so news flash everyone, losing Iggy isn’t the end of the world. Yes, he had a great defensive game, but he was tremendously inconsistent in pretty much every other aspect of the game. He was on and off with the three ball and was miserable at shooting free throws. There were tons of holes in his game. Additionally, I think he has reached his potential and it’s only a ride down hill from here. Like everyone else, I think Fournier should get a huge minutes upgrade and start at the two. I think he has potential to be a great player. Additionally, I think it gives JHam more minutes as well… and he is gonna be a knock down shooter that reenergizes our team. Additionally, I think it opens the door for us to go after some different strokes of talent in free agency.

    I think we could a player like Gary Neal or Anthony Morrow or Jarrett Jack (should be a high priority) for guard play and then/or go after a free agent big man. Go after Milsap or JJ Hickson. Get some more offense in the post or a back up center to play within Shaw’s big man system. Not having Iggy’s tag to pay for opens up some options, ones that are probably preferable.

    It sucks that he went to GS, but I honestly think the Nuggets aren’t a 40 win team now, or if they are it isn’t because of Iggy… so… just calm down y’all. It’s agitating to have everyone hate the owner for making changes and letting Iggy go… he took less money to go to GS.. not the owners fault.

    • EWilson

      While I have no problem spending a few bucks to get a Jarrett Jack-type, I really don’t think the Nuggets ought to go after players like Millsap. One of the big complaints everyone here has is that the Nuggets don’t have a superstar. Well, you can’t sign those guys if you use all your cap room on mid-level guys like Millsap. Let’s preserve some cap room so we can get a superstar if a good one becomes available. We certainly have a lot of good young, inexpensive, talent to put around him.

      • Brad from Arvada

        Too late for superstar talk for Nuggets, EW (at least this year). But there’s still time to pull a big deal. Again, FAs are not all that are available . . . when and if the Ks want something they’ll go out and get it — FA or not.

        • EWilson

          I was thinking about the future, not this year. The only way to get a superstar now is via a trade with a team that needs to rebuild. Except you need a relatively young star, and they’re not easy to find. I’d hate if they traded for a 32-year old guy.

    • Brad from Arvada

      Millsap, Hickson or Landry, as I’ve been writing all week (even before Iggy bolted). Defender on the wing is another story . . . as if Kroenkes aren’t aware . . . they’ll get it done

    • LBJ

      The only thing right in your post is that we are not a 40 win team. More like 30-35.

      • Cullen

        Your pessimism is annoying, frankly. Mainly because you do it to troll me. I think it’s LOL that you think Iggy and Karl make a 20 game win difference. I mean, really? Iggy was a nice addition, but like I said, he’s trending downwards and was awful at the things the Nuggets needed from him minus defense. He isn’t a guy that makes us or breaks us into a lottery team.

        We’ve fought the Karl fight…. so yeah.

        • LBJ

          Your stupidity is annoying me. We lost Karl, Masai, Iggy, KK, likely C Brew and Gallo for the first part of the season. To replace them – we got Darrell Arthur. Plus, we can pick from a slew of stars like Gary Neal and Morrow.

          Pull your head out of the sand – everyone else is improving and we are regressing!

          • Cullen

            Once again, zero warrants to arguments! Just bold claims. I would write out another long retort to you, but it’s wasted on your inability to respond and argue in a fashion that makes any coherent sense… peacceeee.

            I’ll respond for other people’s benefit, actually. We lost a coach that was excellent in the regular season, but a choke artist when it matters. We did lose a GM, yes… but we got a good young one and didn’t unload the bank to do it. Losing Corey Brewer and KK?!?! Oh no, we lost two role players!! How can we ever recover?!?! Oh yeah, getting new ones. And losing Iggy, again… you’re caught up in the name, he’s regressing according to every major statistic category and is a turnover machine that can’t consistently hit threes or free throws. We gained Darrell Arthur who has shown he has potential to be a solid role player, granted he’s been inconsistent but we got an excellent young coach that emphasizes in development. We are going to add more FA’s and had a steal in the draft with Green. Yes, the Clippers reloaded hard, but other than that… who has exactly been “getting so much better!”? We have deep young talent, so our future is pretty bright.

            • LBJ

              Iggy was one of 5 players in NBA to average 13/5/5. Maybe you heard of some of the others – LeBron, Kobe, Westbrook…

              We are going to replace him with Gary Neal (assuming we can even sign him).

              We have Fournier – I wouldn’t call that deep young talent. I’d like to see Green actually play a game before I label him a steal.

              both Houston and Golden State had made big improvement also. The Spurs getting Belinelli helps them also.

              • Cullen

                Yeah, but those players dynamically score and make free throws and don’t turn the ball over like it’s their job. AI was our 3RD best player.

                And it’s not necessarily just Neal it would be a committee approach between Jack or him and the younger guys.

                And Fournier is 20 YEARS OLD. He’s shown potential for someone who is as old as a sophomore in college. Where you full potential by 20…. I mean I hope not unless you were a high school burn out. Him and JHam have played so few minutes that it’s incredibly unfair to say that we’re a lost cause.

                Other teams are getting better, but so are will the Nuggets. They’ll still be a top 5 Western conference team chances are.

              • LBJ

                I agree Fournier has potential – but as you point out, he is only 20. No way he can make up the minutes we lose with Iggy.

                Top 5 – no way. SA, OKC, Clipps, GSW, Houston, Memphis are all clearly better. plus Dallas and the Lakers have a little talent also..

              • googergieger

                Clips are better, Memphis is more or less the same, Houston is still a mess of a team, Golden State is what kind of team now? OKC is still one dimensional. San Antonio is going to lose a step. I mean the system they got will still get them wins, but Duncan, Ginobli, and Parker will lose something. Parker and Ginobli especially. We should still be a top five team. Problem will be how we manage without Gallo. I mean if we had Gallo, no big deal about Iggy. But we are going to miss those two versatile defenders for a good portion of the season. Hopefully the team can learn how to defend fast.

              • LBJ

                Houston is a mess?? Howard is more than a slight upgrade over the Shiek. If they get Josh Smith that will help too. Sounds like wishful thinking about the Spurs. Parker is 31?

                We are a lot closer to the bottom 5 than the top 5.

              • googergieger

                Last year they were the Denver Nuggets without the defense and with better three point shooting. They barely made it into the playoffs. As we found out with the Lakers, Dwight Howard does not a defense make. Dwight didn’t like playing/trying when playing with Kobe who is a ball dominant guard who was iso heavy. Harden? I mean he runs the pick and roll more, but he doesn’t even try defensively. SVG was really important to Howard. As the guy demanded defense from everyone and he also would coach Howard. He wouldn’t let him control the team or decide when and how to play. He’d treat him like anybody else that played for him. I don’t know if McHale will/can do that.

                Duncan is going to have another year like last year? Ginobli is basically dead. I mean Leonard is getting better, but in the finals we saw a very human Parker. Parker won’t be garbage by any stretch, but he will be a step slower and they still need a back up point to count on when Parker isn’t on the court or when Parker is just having a bad game. De Colo kid looks good, but years away from being anything close to threatening.

              • LBJ

                I don’t know what finals you were watching – but Duncan looked pretty damn good. TP showed why he is one of the top point guards in the NBA and is only 31. Leonard is a future star. Ok, they are weak at backup PG. compared to our holes and question marks that is nothing.

                To say we are even close to the Spurs is wishful thinking.

              • googergieger

                Okay. You seem to be only reading every other word. How long can Duncan maintain? Do you honestly think he can recreate what he did last year next? Tony Parker was ass most of the finals. He is going to be a great point guard. Top five easily, but he will be another year slower. Spurs will make it to the second round easily. Something we can’t say yet. However we will be a top seed in the west. OKC, Spurs, Clips, Grizz, and us will be fighting for the top five spots. Not in that order. OKC and Spurs will probably fight for the top two spots. What sucks for us is that we’ll finally get a fair schedule next year but with no Gallo(for a while) or Iggy. Clips are still weak at the three spot, Griffin and Jordan need to become less one dimensional, and while Redick is a smart pick up, I don’t think Paul is a strong enough defender to over come his problems there. Grizz? I mean still weak at the two and three spot there. Just total nonfactors on offense.

                Seriously, Golden State, Houston, Lakers, Mavs, Portland, Pelicans, etc are not better than us. Yet at least.

              • LBJ

                You are twisting yourself in knots with your ridiculous claim. There is not a front office in the NBA that agrees that Nugs are better than the Rockets – even ours!

                Rockets sign one of the top 5 players in NBA, while we lose one of our best.

                I suspect they all would agree that the GSW are better as well -Iggy certainly did.

              • googergieger

                You mean the ones that said the Lakers were title contenders last year? How that work out again?

      • Mikey K

        I’m personally ok with that kind of season as they see what they have. Use this season to experiment with the lineup, see what they have and then go into the 2014 draft and FA and use the players we have along with our current cap space that we have after losing Iggy from the books (and getting for dumping Miller on someone) and use that to get someone GOOD next year.

        This year should be used on player development first and foremost.

    • Duane Grasmick

      I agree with most of what you say. I am of the opinion though that we don’t bring in a Jack unless we get rid of Andre Miller.

      I think the Nuggets have to find out about Fournier, Hamilton, Quincy Miller and even Faried to a certain extent. What do they bring to the franchise…can they do more and keep the Nuggets as one of the best teams in the West.

      We also are going to find out about Anthony Randolph and JaVale McGee as well. 2013-14 has a lot of question marks, but I like to think that maybe we will find out that there are some good players on this team that just did not get a chance with Karl.

    • Cullen

      I do agree with everyone on a lot of things, mainly that we need to figure out about Quincy Miller, JHam, Fournier, and even Faried. We have young talent that is bound to take off if they are developed the right way, which is what Shaw is known for. I think we should go after Jack, and obviously getting rid of Miller should be a thing. But, I think for the price that we would pay for Iggy we could one or two more complementary players. I think Jack should be our priority but we should also chase Hickson or Landry. Overall, we’re going to be fine. And hell, even if we are a lower 50’s win team, if we advance I’ll trade a year of back tracking a few wins to advance past the Karl ceiling.

      • Brad from Arvada

        Not disagreeing, Cullen, but frankly I loved watching Andre Miller own Jarrett Jack in Game 1 of the playoffs this year. Andre’s only good game in the series. Keep in mind, Jack’s getting up there in years too, but he may be the best 2 avail., plus he’s not a bad 1.

  • Len Nunes

    SG = Hamilton, Fournier
    is that not the definition of sink or swim??
    Unless there’s a trade cooking somewhere, I think re-signing Brewer is now a must so going into the season our SF would be Chandler, Brewer.

  • Brad from Arvada
    • googergieger

      Meh.

  • LBJ

    Howard to Houston.

  • Pickles1731

    Screw you Iguodala. Denver offered you more money and you still left us. I guess if you can’t beat em’, then join em’. Low blow Iggy, low blow. At least we can say that Kroenke tried and offered him more money.

  • EWilson

    Oh, and PLEASE GOD, NUGGETS, DON’T SIGN JOSH SMITH!

    • Pickles1731

      Don’t worry, we don’t have the cap room or the personnel to sign him. He is a PF and we already have Faried.

      • EWilson

        I’ve seen plenty of teams sign guys that didn’t really fit. Hence my comment. If the Nuggets management is sane, they won’t go near Smith. If they sign him, you’ll know we’re not winning a championship any time soon.

        • MacKenzie Pantoja

          We don’t have enough money for him. Not even close. 0 chance of that happening

          • dynamo.joe

            We don’t have the five bucks he is worth?

            • MacKenzie Pantoja

              We have about negative 8 million dollars in cap space, so no.

  • MacKenzie Pantoja

    My proposal for fixing our problem at the 2:

    First, sign Al-Farouq Aminu for approximately the mid-level exception, maybe just a little bit less. First of all, Aminu must be a Connelly favorite, since the Hornets traded for him last year in the Chris Paul deal, and I’m pretty sure Aminu wasn’t GM Dell Demps’ idea given that Demps released the 22 year old after what was undeniably his best season. Aminu is a 6’9″ small forward with a 7’4″ wingspan who averaged 7.7 rebounds per game. He’s excellent on defense: the Hornets were 5.3 points better per 100 possessions with him on the floor, even though he usually shared the floor with the human turnstiles known as Ryan Anderson, Greivis Vasquez, and a guy related to Brook Lopez.

    Why sign a small forward? If we sign Aminu, Chandler becomes movable. We need someone to play the 3 until Gallinari comes back, so we can’t trade Chandler unless we sign a small forward, preferably Aminu. Aminu would start until Gallinari is healthy.

    We would then proceed by trading Chandler and the major drag Andre Miller for Wesley Matthews. Matthews has recently become the odd man out in Portland. They drafted C.J. McCollum, presumably with the intention of eventually playing him or Lillard (probably McCoullum) at the 2. They don’t have a backup point guard or a pure point guard on the roster (I would argue both Lillard and McCollum are tweeners), so they would value Miller’s passing and his potential ability to mentor two young guards. And Matthews is a good fit for Denver. He’s about as bad at finishing at the rim as any non-Bobcat in the league, but he’s a good 3 point shooter (.395 lifetime, and spooky consistent year by year), and he’s tough and competitive on defense.

    • dynamo.joe

      I really like the Aminu part. I’m not sure Matthews is better than Fours or Hamilton, but I’d be willing to give up Chandler and Miller to find out.

    • googergieger

      Kirelenko is still available no?

      • MacKenzie Pantoja

        I’m not a cap expert, but he’s worth a lot more than the mid-level exception, and, if we signed him to a contract above the mid-level exception, I think we would have to deal with a crapload of penalties. It would be awful. No chance.

        • googergieger

          How much money do we save now that we don’t have to pay Iggy and more than likely Brewer will walk? We might just dump Miller for some change as well.

          • MacKenzie Pantoja

            Cap holds suck and are very confusing, but, I think that even if we trade Miller Mozgov’s cap hold keeps us over the cap and the best case scenario is negative 3 million

            • googergieger

              Hmm, that is odd. Losing Iggy should leave us with some good amount of money to spend.

    • Cullen

      I personally am a big fan of Chandler… if he could stay healthy he could be a real asset and 6th man of the year candidate.

      • MacKenzie Pantoja

        Agreed, but if Fournier’s not ready, we desperately need someone to play the 2, and trading Chandler away is the only way to get a 2 guard

      • MacKenzie Pantoja

        I really do get what you are saying, but the way I see it, we have 2 starting caliber small forwards and no starting caliber shooting guards. Granted, one of those small forwards in injured, but, given the limited options in free agency, we can’t fix our shooting guard problem unless we trade Chandler.

  • Robert Dinsmore

    IGGY…
    “I saw Klay Thompson running full speed down the court, caught the ball, took two steps and shot the 3. His feet wasn’t even set. That comes from coaching. I want to play with that kind of confidence.”

    What he did not say is that he was the defender. In addition, since he can’t hit a free throw or shoot jump shots, he was embarrassed that he took the Nuggets money last year and felt that he she start over with a new fan based that does not know his many weaknesses.

    • EWilson

      Hitting a 3 without setting you feet comes from talent and luck, not coaching. I guarantee that if Thompson keeps shooting them that way, his 3-point percentage is going to drop. And if Iggy STARTS shooting them that way, his 3-point percentage will really drop.

  • EWilson

    I do think if Iguodala wasn’t keen on the direction of the team–and rejecting more money for more years to go elsewhere says that–than it would have been nice if he’d told management that earlier. That would have preserved the team’s chances of signing a decent replacement. Instead, he waited, stringing them along while free agents were signing, THEN left for an opponent for a salary that might have preserved some options for Golden State. Sure, he was free to keep his options open, but it wasn’t a very nice way to treat Nuggets fans.

    • Mikey K

      GS didn’t enter the eqaution (and Sac-town, the only other known offer other than Denver) until they were told by D12’s camp that he wasn’t going there. They now had the money for Iggy. They’d already worked on clearing the cap space, I don’t think any of the guys they dumped would have taken too well to a “oops! we’re sorry” from management.

  • googergieger

    Kirelenko time! Versatile defender, and high IQ guy. Better free throw shooter too.

  • googergieger

    Oh and this is Mark Jackson’s doing. Not that he did anything nefarious. Just that the preacher who cheated on his wife, and ex dirty nba player who is on record of telling his team to play dirty and yet accused of us of dirty doing to get a lot of calls the next game, is a really good politician. A politician that doesn’t even draw up the plays during time outs for his team.

  • Ckwizard

    I didn’t dislike the warriors until now… At this point this will be the worst off season ever if and only if Andre Miller is still on the roster when the season starts, but if Miller is gone then next year will be a fun year to be a Nuggets fan because no matter what it can not be more depressing than losing like we have in the playoffs under GK and we will finally get to see if Denver actually had any quality “depth” this last year because that “depth” will have to play.

    This is officially Ty Lawson’s Nuggets!

    • heykyleinsf

      This was always Ty’s team. Iggy never usurped that.