Reaction to the Hickson Signing

As first reported by Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports, J.J. Hickson has agreed to sign a three-year, $15 million contract with the Nuggets.

An Overview -

Hickson is a 24 year old, 6-foot-9 center-forward who started for the Blazers last year. On a pure numbers level he looks solid, averaging 15.8 points and 12.8 rebounds on 56 percent shooting (per-36 minutes). His offensive game is made mostly out of his post-game, where he is middling, his pick-and-roll game, where he excels, and off put-backs through his offensive rebounding (sound familiar?).

He brings a pick-and-pop threat in the 10-19 foot range to go along with an explosive ability to get to the rim off pick-and-rolls. His rebounding rates were all at career highs last season, posting a total rebounding rate of 20.7, and his defensive rebounding rate of 28.5 would be the best on Denver’s roster.

His defense is where you start to run into some issue. Describing it as apathetic would be a kindness as both his Synergy numbers and the eye-test do nothing but crucify him in this area. Playing him at center did not help matters as he was killed in the post by big men but playing out of position doesn’t excuse all his missed rotations and ill-timed doubles. The Blazers were nearly three points better per 100-possession when Hickson was off the court and when you factor in how brutal their bench unit was, that number becomes an even greater indictment.

Contract -

$5 million per year for a big with Hickson’s kind of production last year is a very fair price and one comparable to his market value as an oh-so-coveted big man. However, it is an expensive price to pay for a back-up center, especially when you consider that Denver just recently traded away a much cheaper one in Koufos.

Additionally he joins a parade of big men on Denver who can’t play defense and even if they decide to play him at his much more natural position of power forward, he makes Darrell Arthur redundant. According to the Woj report, Denver is still in talks to reach an agreement with Mozgov which would pretty much cap the team out (excluding Iguodala’s trade exception).

Opinion -

Upon further inspection, this is not as disastrous a move as I initially thought but it remains a frustrating one. This is a season where Denver needs to throw everything they have against the wall to see what sticks and to see what needs to go. Giving a three-year contract to a big man who doesn’t make the team significantly better only crowds the front court and reduces the cap flexibility of next year in a time where that flexibility needs to be a premium.

There is also no guarantee that last year’s J.J. Hickson is the one that will be playing for Denver this season. His numbers across the board were at career highs and while his contract is a fair one for what he did last year, it takes a significant downturn in value if given to the player he was in every other season of his career. And that is worrying.

All in all it is a nice signing in a vacuum, but one that remains curious in this particular context. If Hickson remains at the level he played at last season (or maybe even improves) he’ll help with some spacing problems and deepen the front court rotation. The defense will be bad, but it was going to be regardless. Like all offseason moves, the true judge of its merits will have to wait until the season actually begins but the cap ramifications means that this will likely be the last big move Denver can make, barring a trade.

  • Stompy

    You can’t be dumb enough to not think that something else is in the works here. I can’t believe that any NBA front office will purposely crowd a position without a plan, especially with a talented PF when there is an up and coming PF already in the ranks. I am sorry, but this move makes me believe that Faried will be packaged to obtain a good to great player at a need position (SG).

    • DavidRMC

      I can only evaluate the move in the current context that it was made. A trade may very well be on the horizon but you can’t judge this signing off a trade that we don’t know will happen.

      And even if a trade does take place, my analysis of Hickson as a player remains the same. He adds some things on offense but his defense takes away just as many.

      • Stompy

        O, and don’t take that “dumb enough” comment out of context. That was more of a general comment and not aimed at you.

        I am choosing to look at it as the Nuggets front office isn’t the Bobcat’s front office and makes ridiculous signings without a plan. Because J.J. Hickson is a more polished offensive player and both Faried and Hickson are equally bad on defense, I choose to think that Faried will be dealt to fill a SG need or defensive specialist need.

        • dynamo.joe

          Of mice and men, my friend, of mice and men.
          Having a plan doesn’t mean jack if you aren’t able to execute it and there are literally dozens of ways it could still back fire at this point.

      • Brad Murdock

        What exactly prevents you from extending your logic slightly further and analyzing the trade from an overall perspective rather than an extremely narrow one? Your main criticisms are that he logjams an already crowded position and reduces cap flexibility – points which really only apply when you look at this in the smallest context possible. A trade is obviously coming.

      • Brad from Arvada

        David, what don’t you get about a Double-Digit Big? Do you know how rare these guys are? Defensive rebounds count for something on defense. Hickson avg’ed 7 def. boards last year and another 3 off. boards. And the dude torched Denver in all 4 games against them: 18/18 in Gm. 1; 19/13 in Gm. 2; 18/14 in Gm 3.; 19/9 in Gm. 4. You have to be positive about this guy in the Nuggets lineup! Upside is out the roof — I don’t agree that his defense is so poor that it cancels out the positives this kid brings to the Nugs low-post rotation.

        • rob c.

          He was also on the floor when the Blazers allowed the Nuggets to score 78 points in the paint.

          • Brad from Arvada

            So was the rest of the Blazers team. Hickson needs to make more of a commitment to defend, no doubt. Hope Shaw and Co. can get that from him here, because other aspects of his game are tangibles Nugs can greatly use.

        • hazyb

          Hickson’s play screams of the classic “good numbers on a bad team” guy. Or in this case, a team with with the worst bench in basketball that literally had no-one else to play. And please note that the Blazers had zero interest in re-signing him after a 2-year evaluation period.

          Having said that, we have to hope Shaw is the developmental powerhouse he’s reputed to be and can re-work that bad D and build upon his potential. Whether the move was made with a trade in mind or not (and that seems like quite a leap many here are making), a young F.O. without a given track record certainly isn’t setting the world on fire with their moves so far, but we’ll have to see how it plays out.

          • Brad from Arvada

            Good comments, hazyb. The only thing I’d rebut is that rebounds are rebounds whether you’re on a bad team or not. And if you watch Hickson rebound, whether you know he’s a dbl-dgt rebounder or not, you recognize this guy is special on the boards. I’m with you, let’s hope he’s coachable and fits well into whatever system Shaw implements.

    • Gordon

      I have to agree, but the thing is, trading Faried would be unbelievably stupid. Anyone with eyes sees how fired up he makes his team, and how much potential he has. Either way, it’s a terrible move, and I think Connelly should just get his ass out of here before he unpacks. We’ve lost assets and added players who make our team worse, and complicated our cap issues.

      • Stompy

        Would it? Hickson is a more polished offensive player, especially in the low post and mid range games.Both are bad at defense and great offensive rebounders. Hickson is only one year older as well and has three more years experience. And where do you think players have been added that make this team worse?

        • dynamo.joe

          Darrell Arthur is terrible at everything.

        • ryanvdonk

          hickson is a much better defensive rebounder, this is because he uses his body to gain position and box out vs. just being a relentless ball of energy like faried.

          • Gordon

            So why did we get Arthur? We needed SGs, not more PFs this offseason

            • ryanvdonk

              the arthur trade is confusing after this move, but it really seems like a trade will be made, so i’m gonna wait and see how the roster ends up by the end of the month…currently the make up is too uneven to believe this will be the layout of the team. if the front office plans to play hickson at center, then that changes my opinion. not a fan of players being forced out of position.

              • Brad from Arvada

                Not done yet. SG on the way soon — by trade not FA

            • Brad from Arvada

              Nugs got Arthur because a) They had a glut at the 5; b) They wanted to minimize the distractions for McGee-As-Starter; c) Kronk/Connelly felt Arthur was best value they could get; and d) They believed Arthur simply improves the Nugs low post rotations.

      • Mikey K

        There is a trade coming. I can almost guarantee it. While I have openly questioned the intelligence of the FO this off-season, I don’t think even they’re stupid enough to start the season with the roster as currently constructed. Summer ball starts soon. Let’s wait till everyone’s gathered in the heat and glitz of Vegas and see if there’s any wheelin’ and dealin’ done there.

    • hazyb

      Overall I’d love to see Denver package some assets to get a top player, but it’s a pretty big jump (unless you’re somehow looking over the F.O.’s shoulder every day) to claim any insight into a brand new F.O.’s thinking….

  • slugdugg

    So who has a great SG logjam and a need for a young PF like Faried ?

    • dynamo.joe

      Miami? Maybe we are getting Ray Allen.

      • hazyb

        Hmmm, yes. Let’s trade our young, immensely-talented power forward (with an excellent contract) for a forty-year old guard.

  • Scott

    We can’t trade Kenneth :’(

  • dynamo.joe

    Fantastic, if we get the JJ Hickson that played in Portland for a year and a half, not so much if we get the Cleveland/Sacto version.

    Isn’t AMiller going to be the obvious choice to pick’n’roll with him?

    I will be very unhappy if the FO have given up on Faried.

  • ryanvdonk

    hmmm, is there any stats that show his defense while playing the 4 vs. 5? i think that may be part of the bad defense…also he’s a young player and portland was pretty bad last year, possible that some of the missed rotations were from a loss of focus due to losing. shaw seems like he’ll demand more from his players, so it’s not unreasonable to think he can improve. if not, his minutes will dip as the 4 is full of young, hungry players on this roster.

    • MacKenzie Pantoja

      Slightly better at the 4 than the 5, pretty bad at both

    • DavidRMC

      Per 82games, opponents PER were 19.1 when Hickson played the 4 and 20.4 when he played center. He gets abused in the post at center but his poor defense is a product of more than just that.

      • ryanvdonk

        and how do those numbers compare to arthur and faried? would be nice if one 4 shows some promise at defending the 4, aldridge and love are in our division.

  • Thomas

    Thank goodness the FO doesn’t base their decision making on comments read on blogs. If they did, and traded Faried, it would equate to one of the dumbest moves in the recent history of the NBA.

    Faried won’t be playing C this season. Whatever mistakes he will make on defense (he will improve), he most certainly will compensate elsewhere. With a PER of close to 20 (despite Gk line-ups) and a 7 win-share he is gold. Having him or Hickson on the court will make us competitive against anyone.

    Ty, Fournier, Hamilton, Gallo/Chandler, Faried, Hickson, Mcgee, Arthur and Green to boost. None of them are good defenders, but that doesn’t mean they can’t learn to play solid team defense. After all, we now have a coach who should give a rats a&& about defense.

    • Brad from Arvada

      I agree. Hickson and Faried are now the most bad-ass PF duo in the league. Love this rotation of bigs now.

  • peter

    Doesn’t make our team any worse, but not significantly better either, just deeper. If a trade is coming I can’t imagine what it would be. I don’t know if massai and josh are still on good terms. Maybe Josh is dumb enough to give up Faried for Rudu Gay? It would upgrade our talent at SF, but it has already been proven that you can’t get out of the first round when Rudy Gay is your best player.

    • Scott

      Ya I really want to give up a budding star and the heart and soul of what the nuggets stand for for an overrated $17 mill+ contract when we already have 2 starter worthy SF and a glaring hole at SG. Common sense.

      • LBJ

        Don’t forget, he brings a piss poor attitude with that $17m contract. And he is injury prone to boot!! Maybe if we are lucky, we will only get Austin Rivers. :)

    • LBJ

      Timmy came from New Orleans. They just signed Tyreke Evans. I smell a Faried/Andre for Eric Gordon (and his bloated contract) deal coming.

      • Brad from Arvada

        I’d love Gordon here as our 2, but he’s never healthy. Can’t trade Faried. Do Miller/Mozgov and a 2014 pick for Jimmy Butler or Gordon Hayward (or maybe Batum) . . . or do something to bring back Afflalo.

        • LBJ

          Bulls love Butler, no way they are trading him for Miller and Mozzy. I don’t think that works under the cap. Utah isn’t trading Hayword for those 2 either. There is a reason we have acquired 2 PFs – and now have 4 on the roster. I don’t like the idea of trading Faried either – but I suspect it is going to happen.

          • Brad from Arvada

            You might be right. I wrote yesterday that I thought a big trade was coming soon and that it would probably have to involve one of the Nuggets who we all thought was untouchable. We’ll see . . . maybe Butler or Hayward could be had if we include Faried in a deal. Truly, as much as Nuggets fans love Faried, having Hickson here would not make that so painful. (But Nuggets Nation will be absolutely pissed if we let go of Manimal . . .)

            • LBJ

              I like Hickson as well, but I suspect we are in the market for a SG. I see Butler and Hayward as 3s – although I would certainly take them if their current teams offered them.

      • hazyb

        I’ve thought about Gordon a lot too this last year — seems like a good fit with Denver’s cache of assets but need for a higher-caliber star meeting Gordon’s talent but lack of desire to play for the Pelicans(this name is growing on me…). Maybe the time will be right a few months into the season — if Gordon proves he’s finally gotten it together with his health, and the team falters with its plan to play two shooting guards together with Gordon and Evans. Could be a fit.

        On the other hand, I am all the way in on Fournier – I think we may have a fantastic SG on our hands already. Awfully, awfully impressive play at the end of last year, especially given he was just 20 years old. He’s smart, talented, unselfish, and a lights-out shooter from 3, but I was maybe most impressed that he seems just gutsy as heck. I really think he has the potential to be an all-star in time, and that time may not be far off.

    • dynamo.joe

      Faried + Miller + Gallo = Rudy Gay. That works money wise. And Rudy Gay = Poyntzzzz1!!!11!11

  • David Tesler

    Hickerson who? Bad signing by Kroenke. Kroenke continues to damage the team, and needs to sell off his entire assets. All of them.

  • heykyleinsf

    I think there is a lot of unfounded paranoia about the direction, and a lot of people are too rigid and assuming about the possibilities. I say let’s go ahead and play the season anyway. The front office are trying at least, and also.. at least we didn’t pick up Ellis. I love the upside of Hickson. I also agree a trade might be coming. Manimal is a favorite of mine.. I hope (and am thinking) this is about Mozgov more than anything else, which also makes me happy. I see no hope with Mozzy. I think Hickson is going to spell McGee, not Manimal. We’re not going to be a championship team, this is a building year, not a rebuilding year though. Relax, it’s going to be totally fun to watch these guys.

    • Duane Grasmick

      I don’t think you can play Faried and McGee together….so I think Hickson and McGee start and Faried and Arthur back them up. Faried and McGee are both most efficient close to the basket and can’t stretch the defense when on the floor together. Hickson and Arthur are needed to stretch the defense out to at least 15-18 feet. I think once Gallinari is back and healthy, Shaw will have all kinds of opportunities to play him at the stretch 4 and make this team extremely dangerous. I think Chandler and Gallo on the floor together a lot will make this team extremely dangerous, especially if Hamilton and Fournier can knock down shots.

      • heykyleinsf

        those are good points and thoughts, I totally see the positives in this. The other thing is that George Karl had a very rigid way of doing things, it was his way or the doghouse. I think Shaw might have a better touch with the young individuals and the group, we might see better defenders by better coaching, systems and attitude. There is a lot to be said about making a team believe in itself. I think that in the playoffs, the team totally showed up, even dominated at times, but once the going start going bad, then the superstitions and team’s/GK history of doom settled in to them. It was obvious in their body language.

        These players and this team can run, dominate and impose their will. One of the reasons I wasn’t so broken up about Iggy.. is that I saw this in them the season before, we beat all those great teams.
        We’re not as far off as a lot of people here would believe.

        • bicklehoff

          Good point about Karl. I remember game 6 against the Lakers. There was a half-time locker cam and you could tell he thought we were beat. That with the inbound issues and I wondered if he really could be a great game day coach. I think the talk about regular season coach vs. playoffs has some serious merit.

          • EWilson

            I remember reading his comments after Game 3 (!) of the Lakers-Nuggets series. After the Nuggets took one of two in LA, they lost at home and Karl pretty much sounded like there was no chance they’d win again in LA. Nevermind that they SHOULD have won both games in LA. He sounded like it was over after game 3.

            I think this team needed a fresh outlook, and I look forward to seeing what Shaw can do with a talented group of youngsters.

            • bicklehoff

              Agree completely.

      • bicklehoff

        Agree about Faried and McGee together. You need more offense. I see Faried ideally as a hustle / energy guy until his offense develops. He improved last year on that front so I think eventually it’ll come along.

    • Brad from Arvada

      All good comments. Agree on all points, but I think Hickson will play very little at the 5. I hope you’re right about Moz, that we can package him with another player(s) — and maybe even include a future pick — for a solid 2.

      • heykyleinsf

        Thanks Brad. We do need a solid SG.. but maybe Fournier and Green can mature in to that? IDK. Maybe we can keep Brewer and fit him there? Nobody is proven right now. I just want to see how these guys might look, not sure we have enough to offer in trade and even then in cap space to get any really dream 2. Maybe priority #1 after this year. I’m totally with you in that being a huge hole, but not sure if at this point we can do much, other than hope we have something close already.

        Another thing that probably isn’t relevant but i think is interesting. Way back when.. Broncos vs Jaguars in first round of playoffs. That loss haunted them and made them play a lot more with purpose the next year, on their way to a title. Also happened last year with Ravens (hope same results). Why can’t the GSW loss be similar in motivation next year, now compounded by Benedict Iggy defecting to them? I know for me, when the schedule comes out, I will be circling those games on the calendar.

        • Brad from Arvada

          Love Fournier, and I like the Green pick. But I’m pretty sure Kronk/Connelly aren’t content with either of those youngins (or JHam) getting the lion’s share of the SG duties this year — decent minutes, yes, but none of them are the Man at the 2. FO is working on a trade as we speak . . . pretty sure of that. What I like about the Kroenkes is that they will not tank the season for a lottery pick and will pursue players by trade (often completely off the radar) to improve the team (i.e. the Iverson, Billups, McGee and Iggy deals) — no one saw any of those coming. They want to win now, not 3-5 years down the line while the young guys develop.

        • hazyb

          Agree with your point on Fournier. It’s a moot point now that Brewer signed with the T-Wolves but I am totally behind letting him walk. Even though I loved Brewer’s hustle and defense, your wings just have to be able to shoot the 3 in today’s nba, especially in the playoffs. It seemed like he was a huge-huge contributor to the team’s all-for-one, one-for all cultural transformation and we can all thank him for that. But in the end, I think it’s the right move spending that money on a shooter like Foye instead.

  • Nugett

    Timofey might be going back to Russia so if he leaves then getting Hickson makes perfect sense. That’s probably what they’re preparing for. he’d be our back up center. And trading Farried would be a huge mistake. I still say we get Ellis. Risky but we’ll have a good shooter.

    • Brad from Arvada

      Hickson publicly claimed he would not play C again in Portland, only PF. One of the reasons he wanted to leave, and why Portland publicly claimed they didn’t want him back.

      • LBJ

        Plus Portland has 2 centers after getting Lopez. He only fit as a backup 4 to LMA.

    • Brad from Arvada

      Ellis is a pariah. He’d clash with Ty running the offense. None of the 2s remaining as FAs fit here in Denver. Kronk needs to make a trade for a solid 2.

  • Vitor Lago

    Do a sign and trade with Milwaukee with McGee and Miller going to the Bucks to free up another $15 million a year then have Ellis come to Denver along with a guy like Mbah a Moute. Then find a back up PG to sign and re-sign Mozgov.

  • Trevor

    Well this sucks. The offseason started out great but has quickly nosedived. At least it wasn’t Monta. The nugs don’t need to add any SGs… Evan and Jham need the mins. Play the guys we have, sign a couple rookie UFAs to fill out the rosters, and lets see where they take us. Nobody we sign makes us a contender and making the playoffs as 1st rd fodder sets us back even further. Think long term fellow nugget fans, don’t fall for the glitz and glam of FA. JJ might be an average player but he hurts the nuggets plan of building a contender.

    • Brad from Arvada

      How can a double-digit big hurt any team if they’re used properly?

      • Trevor

        Does JJ make the difference in the Warriors series? Answer is no. Did any real contender want him and his piss poor attitude? No… Does he maybe help the nugs win a couple of games? Sure. Is that a good thing? Not necessarily. Being the 7th or 8th seed as opposed to having a lottery pick is a huge loss. Trading Faried after signing JJ would be a colossal mistake. The nuggets need to play the young talent they already have and see what they can do playing in a structured system with a coach committed to player development. Think long term

        • Brad from Arvada

          We had the players in the GS series to win it. GK lost that series for Denver. Sorry, Trevor, anyone who thinks tanking a season in pro sports — intentionally trying not to make the playoffs — doesn’t get my attention.

          • Trevor

            That’s okay with me. I want championships, whatever it takes. JJ signing puts the nuggets further from a title plain and simple. Tanking isn’t the only way but there are no FA or trade targets available that are contender cornerstones. Our current players need to elevate their game. If we happrn to get a lottery pick while developing our players that would be awesome. Home grown stars and solid drafting is the only way the nugs get a title.

            • Vitor Lago

              This team is young and anything can happen, I thought before the loss to the Warriors and having Iggy longterm we would contend within the next few years but I think this will be a team built to win it all 5 years from now.

            • Brad from Arvada

              Good owners and GMs FIND players they want to trade for and figure out ways to obtain them to improve their teams (Buss, Auerbach, Riley, Peter Holt . . .) There are ALWAYS trade targets. Teams that tank to get lottery picks most often have inept front offices.

          • rob c.

            Playing young players to find out what you do and don’t have isn’t tanking. Building a roster to get to the playoffs and then put out in the first round is worse. Over half the league makes the playoffs and the young players on this team could just as easily get the job done.

            Hickson and Foye are decent players, but they don’t do anything for this team in the grand scheme of things. If anything, they kill future cap space and the chance of adding something better.

            • Brad from Arvada

              Good comments, Rob. Nothing against giving the youngsters more minutes and game-time experience, but not at the expense of making moves to improve our obvious weak areas: Post play and defensive-minded 2. Suggestions that we just play the guys we have this year and not be aggressive in obtaining a couple of good FAs and/or pursuing a trade — at the expense of making the playoffs and possibly landing a good lottery pick next year — is loser thinking to me. So far I’m liking what the Nuggets have done in getting Hickson and Foye — these two aren’t saviors but they improve the team. The sign-and-trade for Foye and the trade exception actually enable us to do more under the cap. Good move.

        • rob c.

          I agree with Trevor, treading water is not a fun thing to do.

  • Brad from Arvada

    Poor defense duly noted, nonetheless, I LOVE THIS DEAL! I’ve been campaigning for Hickson on this forum for a week! Wanted him over Millsap and Landry. He was a monster against the Nuggets last year: 18/18 in Gm. 1; 19/13 in Gm. 2; 18/14 in Gm 3.; 19/9 in Gm. 4. Carbon copy of Faried, only better scorer AND rebounder. They will be a ferocious tandem at PF, and Hickson will add some teeth at the 5. Now trade Miller and Mozgov (and maybe a pick) for a solid 2 who can shoot AND defend — Jimmy Butler or Gordon Hayward — and Nugs are back in business (top 5 team rather than 7 or 8). Come to think of it, Afflalo may also be obtainable — he’d work fine as our SG . . .

    • LDT710

      I agree and think this is a great deal. We’re getting a double double guy in the prime of his career for $5 million per year. If you rank all NBA players by advanced metrics stats such as VA (Value Added) and EWA (Expected Wins Added) Hickson was a top 30 player last year. Looking at that list there’s no one else even close to $5 million. This was a STEAL!

  • Vitor Lago

    What do people think of getting Randy Foye and being done with any moves this offseason? How would rate that team going into next season?

    • Brad from Arvada

      Serviceable but drab.

    • LBJ

      We still have a lot of work to do. Getting GSW to agree to a sign and trade for Iggy. Trading one of our PFs for a SG. Resigning Mozzy – we will need a decent backup, with McGee as our starter (I’ll be surprised if he averages more than 28 minutes).

      • Vitor Lago

        What does a sign and trade with GS give us? A trade exception?

        • Brad from Arvada

          Vitor, read this article by Luke Adams in HoopsRumors, written yesterday about a viable sign-and-trade solution for Denver and GS: http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2013/07/the-warriors-and-the-salary-cap.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

          • Vitor Lago

            Cool if we could get Nedovic out of a sign and trade that would be really worth while, maybe a second round pick as well. Better than nothing, despite the fact that it helps GS out a bit.

          • LBJ

            Landing their #1 pick (a SG) and a trade exception would be nice.

          • Brad from Arvada

            Looks like Luke Adams was on to something the other day in his article. Sign-and-trade happened, and Nuggets get Foye from Utah rather than Nedovic, GS’s 1st round SG.

      • Brad from Arvada

        LBJ, I think Mozzy’s at top of list to trade, packaging him with another player(s) for a solid 2.

        • LBJ

          If we resign Mozzy, I don’t see us trading him. If we do trade him as you suggest – then the KK trade makes no sense (he should have been kept as the backup).
          I think we both agree that playing JJ at PF makes the most sense. Unfortunately, that leaves Faried as the guy likely to be dealt.

          • Brad from Arvada

            Like I said earlier tonight, that will be an unpopular transaction for Nuggets fans, but I wouldn’t put it past the Nuggets to make a deal for a solid 2 with Faried as part of the package. On the other hand, an NBA team does not need two 5s, and some teams don’t need any, because their 4s are good enough to play and defend the 5 (i.e. Miami). Hickson gives the Nuggets that kind of flexibility at the 5 if Mozgov is traded.

            • LBJ

              It sounds like you may be engaging in some wishful thinking (although I can’t say I blame you)!

    • heykyleinsf

      I’m happy with what we got and ready to see them go. Foye is a weird idea.. but maybe it’s a locker room thing. By all accounts, his reputation is solid for being a cool guy. Kind of a boring addition though. I’m good with what we have, but I really doubt that’s it. They have to decide on Corey Brewer, and I’m kind of shocked there has been no news or movement about him whatsoever. Miler and Mozgov are both hopefully history.

      • COfoEVA

        I think we need Brewer next year if not just to get us through until Gallo is back.

    • Brad from Arvada

      Not bad, Vitor. Making the Foye call before it happened. Nice call.

  • Scott

    BREAKING:

    Woj is reporting we are sign and trading iggy to warriors in a three team deal with Utah where we get Randy Foye at three years, $9 million!

    YESSSSSSSSS SHOOTER ALERT!

    • Brad from Arvada

      Nice work, Scott. Looks like Vitor was on to something in his post a couple hours ago. Foye . . . can’t say that I hate this move, just thought Nuggets had assets to deal for a better defending 2. Fans love Foye in Utah — great shooter, good teammate.

      • Scott

        Apparently we also get a $12 mill trade exception on Iggy but I am not familiar with that term and don’t know if that is good or bad for us.

        • Brad from Arvada

          Teams with a trade exception have up to a year in which they can acquire more salary in other trades than they send away, as long as the gulf in salaries for the trades are less than or equal to the difference in salary for the first trade. (I’m sure we’ll learn more in the next post by one of the RMC writers about what this “trade exception” specifically means for the Nuggets.)

  • Brad from Arvada

    Gotta like this: Foye hit 41% of his 3s last season, and he’s a career 85.6% from the free throw line.

    • COfoEVA

      So good to hear!

  • jhelwege

    Hickson and Foye give the Nuggets more options… I think it’s possible that our FO is currently trying to work out a sign and trade for Ellis. Faried, Miller, and Randolph are currently three expendable players that could be used to make that kind of deal happen.

    If we do just take our current roster into the regular season, I have a strong feeling that our FO will be closely monitoring the lineups/players that work most effectively in Shaw’s new system. By the time we reach the halfway point in the season, we will keep whoever is most effective, and then deal anyone else to obtain either a key player or a strong potential 2014 pick. If a lineup of Lawson, Fournier, Chandler, Hickson, and McGee is effective… you could move Galo and/or Faried and get a legitimate asset in return.

  • COfoEVA

    Resign Brewer and lets get this show on the road! We need Gallo to be 100%+ for the playoffs, no need to rush anything.