Rapid Reaction: Denver Nuggets 102-Philadelphia 76ers 114

The Nuggets gave up 44 points in the second quarter and dropped their eighth straight game 114-102. Everyone gets an F tonight for grades because that is what happens when you get blown out at home by a team with nine (now 10) wins, and just two (now three) on the road. Below is a recap though.

This should be rock bottom. Getting run off the Pepsi Center floor by the woeful, 76ers after giving up 44 points in a quarter to extend an eight game losing streak should be the worst things get.

But watching the Nuggets I can’t shake the feeling that worse is coming.

Somehow, someway this dysfunctional mishmash of players will find a way to fall to even lower depths.

All the flaws that have been showing all season showed up again tonight.

The Nuggets entire offense was reduced to JJ Hickson/Ty Lawson pick-and-rolls or the more common Ty Lawson or Randy Foye dribbles for 10 seconds and throws up a prayer of a pass or shot that probably won’t, and didn’t, end well play.

Just like early in the season, the first quarter seemed promising. JJ Hickson dominated the game, drawing a plethora of fouls on the Sixers, outworking everyone on the floor for rebounds and dunks on his way to 10 points, four rebounds and two blocks.

But as anything revolving around JJ Hickson being good normally does, it all crashed and burned from there. Like normal Hickson’s final line, 19 points on 7-13 shooting and 11 rebounds, looks good. But that doesn’t take into account the fouled three point shooter, or the lane violation that cost the Nuggets a point in the second quarter, or the countless blown rotations. After all JJ Hickson is JJ Hickson and those are the things he does.

Then the bench entered to end the first and start the second quarter and everything started to turn. By the time Quincy Miller, Evan Fournier, Darrell Arthur, Timofey Mozgov and Nate Robinson all exited the game the six point Denver lead was gone, erased by an 11-2 run from the 76ers to start the second and take control of the game. The offense died, the defense died, the rebounding died and most importantly the effort started to die.

That last part is why I can’t shake the feeling that rock bottom hasn’t hit yet. Reading between the lines and between the goings on in Nuggetsland it is becoming increasingly possible Brian Shaw is losing members of this team. Andre Miller blew up at someone on the bench while getting the first DNP-CD of his career tonight. Shaw has talked about finding guys who will give him consistent effort all season and still he struggles to find it.

Twice in three possessions in the third quarter, when the Nuggets were trailing, Michael Carter-Williams missed a layup but was able to outwork Denver players to grab his own miss. On both plays Ty Lawson, clearly the best player on the team right now, was beat and instead of working hard to get back involved he stopped and watched as the rookie got back into things and earned his team five extra points.

If Shaw has lost Lawson, something unfortunately entirely possible with someone already struggling recently under the massive burden the new offense has placed on him, how long is it until he loses the rest of the roster? If Dre was in-fact blowing up at the coaching staff how long is it until others do? How much longer does Kenneth Faried stay quiet about his fluctuating minutes?

There isn’t a quick fix either. The two most valuable trade assets the Nuggets have are Lawson and a healthy Gallo.

Trading Lawson would alienate many of the fans that are sticking through this tough time and Gallo likely won’t be back to his normal self before the start of next season meaning his value is greatly diminished if it is present at all.

From there Kenneth Faried and Wilson Chandler become the main pieces for a deal but the value of both will be lessened by money owed to them. Chandler is an injury risk who has struggled to stay on the floor his entire career and someone that teams will be wary of giving up true value for because of those injury issues.

Faried meanwhile is due an extension on his rookie deal soon and will undoubtedly seek a big money deal. It is becoming clear that he doesn’t fit with the new Denver regime that values defense and bigs who can score in the post. The Manimal is a very fun, likeable and at times game changing player but one that also has plenty of flaws.

He gets torched by stretch fours, struggles to defend bigger fours in the post and has an offensive game that consists mostly of dunks and layups created for him by others or by his work on the offensive glass. Shaw has found it tough to play him major minutes in many games, including tonight when he was abused by Thad Young in the post on two straight possessions and didn’t see the floor for the last quarter plus after. Clearly he can help a team, but one that is already a contender and can hide his weaknesses, something that again diminishes the value Denver surely would want for him.

After that is the group of off-season additions and young players Denver isn’t playing (Fournier, Quincy Miller and Hamilton who combined for 20 minutes tonight). None of those players will be coveted around the league enough to bring in a franchise changing talent leaving Denver with no real avenue of improving quickly.

The smartest thing right now seems to be to play those youngsters and be ok with the losses that will follow, dropping themselves into a spot where the Nuggets are all but guaranteed a top seven or eight pick between their own and the Knicks.

But no matter what happens this doesn’t seem like rock bottom to me yet, just the start of getting there.

I hope I’m wrong.

Observations:

Just a few thoughts I had on tonight’s game.

  • The bench, and in particular Darrell Arthur, was very poor tonight. I am an Arthur supporter but he struggled tonight, getting beat backdoor for an easy bucket once, missing his jumpers (including an airballed three) and just struggling in general. With Faried struggling to defend Arthur needed to step up and outside of a few nice plays he didn’t.
  • When things got tough Ty got passive again. The 11 assists were nice but Lawson seemed to pass up a few good looks to over pass. Some of his turnovers were just mind boggling as there seemed to be no point to the pass he was trying to throw.
  • It was clear Shaw still doesn’t trust Mozgov in a fast game. The big Russian played just six minutes as the 76ers looked to push pace and Shaw looked to “shorten” his rotation.
  • I have no idea what Shaw is doing with the rotation. Before the game he spoke of changing things up and playing the starters more and he only held to one of those things. 12 guys played but four (Quincy Miller, Hamilton, Randolph, and Mozgov) ended with single digit minutes. It makes no sense.
  • Anthony Randolph plays hard but man he is bad at basketball.
  • This team isn’t even fun to watch. Too many blown rotations, contested jumpers, and turnovers have made watching the Nuggets really boring and sad. Hopefully things change soon.

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  • Jay Crynes

    Disgraceful.

  • LBJ

    Wow – an ass kicking on our home court from a team that is tanking. It doesn’t get much worse than that! Thanks for the great product, Joshy!

  • Branden Gloudeman

    U give wilson chandler an F imma laugh in ur face matt

  • Sam Franke

    Foye 6-17. Terrible. If Evan keeps on getting playing time he should be the starter in no time, honestly.

    • Dan Sivertson

      How did Foye get on this team? What intangibles does he possess that made him appealing?

      • Poz303

        He did shot 41% from downtown last season. So, on that stat he should have been a good addition off the bench to help spread the floor. Never saw him as a starting caliber SG in the NBA.

        By the way, I noticed his spot up shot is missing terribly but if he shoots of a dribble (typically left) he swishes his shot. Not sure if anyone else has seen this (maybe other teams, hence they dont run out to him when he has a set shot from behind the three point line).

  • slugdugg

    Yuk. I knew this season was going to be a long one but wow. My prediction was that we would be battling for the final playoff spot… But now I’m starting to question whether we are going to be able to rally.

  • heykyleinsf

    tonight it was on the bench. You guys always love your boy Darrell Arthur so much. IDK why.. God he sucked tonight. This season is toast now. Toast. It makes no sense not to play Javale heavily night in and out when he returns, that way we will know forever what he will be or not be. And I agree with you LBJ. Stupid as fk offseason moves. ALL OF THEM. Not one of these new guys doesn’t suck.

  • Andrew

    The part that pisses me off the most is the fact that no one is doing anything about this atrocious situation of being just below mediocre.

    • Sheena Allen

      All they gotta do is fire Shaw and get a coach who pushes the pace.

  • Chad Schneider

    Are the nuggets the worst team in the league? The the heck happened to our home court advantage???

    • Dan Sivertson

      Missing Karl’s running game and freedom. A lock-down 1/2 court offense doesn’t work as well in Denver.

      • Chad Schneider

        This sucks, I’d rather have Karl and win at home against crappy teams like Utah and 76ers. I thought getting rid of Karl was a good idea but so far it looks like a HUGE mistake. Did the Nuggets just kill the team like they did when Moe was fired?

        • LBJ

          Yes.

        • Dan Sivertson

          I think so. I’ve said before and I”ll say it again. George Karl has forgotten more basketball than Josh Kroenke will ever learn. Getting rid of Karl who is a consummate basketball mind was a huge mistake in my humble opinion. I used to drop everything to listen to his insightful post-game analyses. In many dimensions, George was simply the best.

  • mmj5280

    Since when did we become a 3 point shooting team? We were the worst 3 point shooting team last year & this year we’re shooting MORE 3′s. If you can’t shoot a 3 shooting more 3′s isn’t going to help! Also foye & Robinson need to go

    • Poz303

      Shaw basically preaches jump shooting. His half-court offense is predicated on making jump shoots rather than attacking the rim.

      or a team that won 57 games last year it has to be tough to try and change a winning system (Motion O) to what Shaw is trying to implement,

      • ryanvdonk

        the problem was karl had fairly lazy defensive schemes that worked on when players could go above and beyond (such as brewer’s hounding pressure and iggy frustrating his opponent) to create turnovers. this works great in the regular season, but in crunch time people get tight with the ball and easy TO disappear. he also gave passes to his favorites who would neglect slides and give up open 3s. hiring someone who could run a similar offensive (though maybe adding a little structure for when play slows down) but more defensive emphasis would have been a great fit *cough*McMillan*cough* but they went for a whole new system in shaw. I don’t think shaw is a bad coach, but he’s not ready to adapt to something he’s never even played in with a mash of good but ill fitting players. thank the GM for 4 PFs and 3 PGs all with similar skill sets.

  • Robert Dinsmore

    I am not sure how it is the fault of Josh? The players and the coach are at fault. The style of play that coach implements is boring and dysfunctional. Looking back, I would take the attacking style Karl used since it was fun to watch. Now we have a full season of embarrassment PLUS playoff misses or losses. I am definitekly not sure where this coach is taking the team. The love affair with Foye has me completely baffled. On the flip side, the lack of support for Miller, Nate and Faried is crazy. I never thought that I would want Karl back but now I am ready to beg for his return.

    • LBJ

      Joshy failed to extend Masai, fired Karl, hired Timmy (after bypassing qualified internal candidates) and cheap skated Iggy on his contract extension. He gets all the “credit” for the great offseason.

      • Dan Sivertson

        I couldn’t agree more.

      • ryanvdonk

        all correct except iggy, they offered him a better contract than he ended up signing in GS.

        • LBJ

          No we didn’t. Same annual salary ($12m) and we only guarantee $4 million in 5th year, The NBA is all abut guaranteed money. Had we wanted to keep him – we should have offered him the whole fifth year guaranteed. He will easily get $4 million when this contract expires.

    • heykyleinsf

      Josh let Brewer and Koufos go to bring in Foye, Hickson (who actually doesn’t deserve an F… tonight), Robinson and Arthur. These new guys suck. Really really really suck. That’s totally on Josh.

      • Dan Sivertson

        Agreed. We traded quality for bottom rung.

    • Robert Dinsmore

      Josh had an agreement with Masai and only agreed to let him walk because Toronto was where his heart was. He could have forced Masia to keep his word but let him go where his heart was. He offered more money to Iggy that Iggy accepted so I am not sure what you mean on that one. He fired Karl because he loses in the playoffs his entire coaching career which is why they play the game. I agree with Brewer as someone that I loved to watch due to his passion to play and heart. Koufas was a toss up for me since he and Mozgov (many on this site call MosGOD) are similar.

      • heykyleinsf

        good points.. and honestly? A lot of this is what Iggy did to us. We couldn’t get anyone after he made us wait and milked it.
        Not only that.. we gave up a 1st round pick to get him.. wouldn’t that have been nice to keep. IDK why so many people don’t see what that guy did to us.

        • gimpcom187

          Weve been through this. Agreed to sign BEFORE the free agency period started. Nugs had no cap space. They added what they could. It was a failed offseason which falls on joshas he was the man who dismantled a 57 win team with COY and executive of year.

          • heykyleinsf

            I’m not saying it’s all on Iggy..
            but I am saying..
            anyone saying he was a nice guy to us is batshidt out of their mind delusional.

            • gimpcom187

              I dont think anyone has said anything like that. Hes a great defense above average offense wing who is almost 30 years old. Sticking around with this team after masai and karl ousters made zero sense even at 5 years max. Its time to move on people. Start looking for trades to upgrade other teams for 1st round picks and young talent. Chandler and a big for detroits 1st rounder from charlotte makes sense).

              • heykyleinsf

                I agree… thank you gimp.
                Time to move on.
                I’m starting to think Andre Miller is a locker room cancer.
                Wait.. I’ve always thought that…
                can’t we excuse him somehow… finally?

        • LBJ

          “Milked” it? He was waiting for Howard to sign – like virtually every other decent FA on the market. Why in the hell didn’t we offer Iggy another $1 million a year – or a 5th year guaranteed? Were we saving our money for JJ?
          We could have gone after Monta Ellis – he was still available when Iggy signed.

          • heykyleinsf

            upfront honesty.

            It does happen. It could have happened. It didn’t.
            IDK why people defend him.
            And offer him more??
            He was already offered 1/5th the total team payroll.
            He took less to go to the arch rival after a month of things drying out.
            UNBELIEVABLE DELUSIONS.

          • Poz303

            Iggy was talking to GSW during the playoffs. He was set on going to the GSW. Iggy wanted a sign and trade which Nuggets initially declined… remember Iggy’s “WOW” tweet? Had nothing to do with Kings withdrawing offer…it was Nuggets declining the sign-n-trade he had worked out with GSW. Then GSW cleared cap space to sign Iggy outright (which would have so screwed then for future moves) at which point Nuggets FO decided to agree to the sign-n-trade so they could get something back. Hence the current $9 million trade exception and Foye.

            • heykyleinsf

              that trade exception should help us at some point.. FWIW we also got a 2nd rounder.. not sure what year.

              • LBJ

                We should have just screwed GSW and not worked the sign and trade (like the Lakers did with Howard). We will never use the trade exception – and Foye sucks.

              • heykyleinsf

                I absolutely think we will use it and it’s good until July.
                Actually, I think some team might also use their’s to rid us of Andre Miller. Call us Memphis!!

              • LBJ

                Memphis already has Conley and Bayless. Why would they want Miller?
                I can’t see many big contract guys (that we would use our trade exemption for our younger, cheaper guys) that would help this roster. We need to be moving in the opposite direction – this roster needs to be overhauled.

              • Poz303

                Masai owes us… Chandler, Miller and a second for DeRozen? Maybe throw McGee for Valanciunas.

              • LBJ

                Sounds good to me!

              • heykyleinsf

                I was just saying because I think they have 3-4 trade exceptions. (Memphis)

              • Charliemyboy

                I just don’t think trading will do it. Keep this team; let Gallo and Javale play for a month. If it doesn’t work, let Shaw go; there is a reason he was passed over previously by those sharper than Connley and Kronkee (sp). He can’t motivate or get cohesion. It’s teams that win games, stars that win playoffs; we have no team. I still would rather have 50 plus wins and not do so well in playoffs rather than not get in playoffs. We may not be in playoffs for years. What can Shaw change about his managing style that would make a difference in the future? It’s his personality. Even though some didn’t like Karl, he had the toughness and ego to demand respect and the team responded. Talks of trades will not solve much. You have to build a team. We were doing it and now we are not.

              • Poz303

                Trade exception only good this year, and Nuggets FO has been notorious with letting trade exceptions expire (let the Nene $13 Million trade exception expire).

                So forgive me if I dont hold my breath.

              • heykyleinsf

                Forgiven..
                But there is a night and day difference at play right now.
                We’re going to miss the playoffs.
                When is the last time that has happened??
                This roster will be blown up.
                My money is on change and major shakeups.

                Whereas the last few years.. we thought we were one
                or two (or four this year) players away.
                The stew cooking with Miller and the disastrous outcome
                with Foye for the most part but also everyone else new..
                Changes are the one thing we can count on.

              • Poz303

                Agree with that, Josh wont fire Shaw after one season to go back to a motion O similar to GK’s. No way.

                So the only way to hope for a more successful season next year is to, at the very least, give Shaw what he wants player personnel wise.

                And I cant see Miller being happy here any longer (he used to complain when GK didnt give him starter minutes) so that change has to come sooner rather than later.

                If Josh and Masai really are buddies, he really should test those waters for some trades. Problem is, I fear Masai will school him, Josh will come away smiling thinking he got a good deal. And Masai will have another couple of first round picks :(

              • LBJ

                Ujiri is the LAST person we want Timmy and Joshy talking trade with!

              • heykyleinsf

                fingers will be pointed and heads will roll.
                Ty and Gallo are safe.
                I really doubt anyone past them are.

              • Dan Sivertson

                Agreed. Masai WILL school him and the new GM.

            • LBJ

              I’m not sure what you mean by “talking” – the NBA has some stiff tampering rules. It is possible that he would have left for GSW anyway – Joshy just made it a real easy decision.

              • Poz303

                His brother was talking the GSW owner during a Nuggets playoff home game. So it wasnt Iggy directly but his brother. though nothing concrete just letting GSW know it would be a place Iggy would like to play.

      • gimpcom187

        Just cause you dont understand the talent on this team and in previous years doesnt mean the front office shouldnt have figured it out. Its clear melo has never been a top tier guy. Clear the talent on this team the previous 2 seasons was coached up significantly. If you cant admit what a wonderful job karl did here at this point in conjunction with the 5-8 years of futility prior to karl then there is ZERO reasoning with you all

      • LBJ

        Ujiri should have been extended BEFORE the last season even started. He was paid below market – and had more than proven his worth.
        We offered Iggy the same $12 million a year as GSW. We could have offered him a 5th year, but decided to make that partially guaranteed – which in the NBA is nothing. Iggy saw Joshy’s cluster f*cks and wisely bailed.
        Karl is a HoF coach who milked more out of his talent than virtually anyone expected – as is becoming obvious this season. Last year ended when Gallo went down.

        • heykyleinsf

          just so we keep our facts separate when it comes to Saint Iggy… from Sports Illustrated…

          Denver wanted to re-sign Iguodala for five years at a reported $60 million ($52 million guaranteed), but he agreed to a four-year deal reportedly worth $48 million from the Warriors, who upset his Nuggets in the opening round of the playoffs just nine weeks ago.

          • LBJ

            That just confirms what I said. We offered him $12 million for 4 years – and a 5th year with only $4 million guaranteed. He will do better than that on the open market.

        • Poz303

          Agree on Masai. If Masai had agreed to a deal verbally, then get it on paper. The rest is on Josh for letting the opportunity for Toronto to come in and swoop him away.

          GK had this team working together. He talked of “teamness”. Lost only three games at home all season. Gallo went down, Faried got hurt and Josh’s answer was to fire CoY and not get a contract in front of Masai, EoY, after a verbal agreement?

          Now not only is the product bad, the team is fracturing

      • Poz303

        Josh says he had an agreement. Did he have a contract? NO. If Masai had agreed to stay then get the business done right then and there. Period. NBA is a business not an effin boy’s club.

        BTW, every coach losses in the playoffs, and many dont make it there at all. He fired the CoY too.

      • trank

        masai had a good thing here with a winning team (minus the gallo injury) and a good coach – the problem was he probably was sick of the increasing interference from owner boy josh.

        • LBJ

          Agree. Remember the press conference to announce Ujiri’s departure? Joshy is standing there hogging credit for all Masai’s moves. Just wondering – where in the hell is he to take “credit” now?

          • trank

            that frat boy interfering with any staff is a cancer on the nuggets long term- i wish wall mart would go broke and sell the nuggets pronto.

  • Poz303

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    Andre Miller has to be restrained on the Denver bench. Not sure if he was having words with coach or another player.

    • heykyleinsf

      He didn’t play tonight… juicy!!

      • Poz303

        And Shaw confirmed in his post game interview that he was not hurt.

        • heykyleinsf

          hopefully.. all of this can be a means to an end in finally ridding ourselves of him. I know he’s got talent, always threw one of the meanest lobs in the game, but he’s a locker room cancer. Hopefully, this is the ticket out for him.

          • Charliemyboy

            Don’t agree. Miller is too smart. He just is pissed for his career to being mishandled by a rookie. Coaches say he helps the rookies in the locker room. Feel sorry for his career ending this way. Send him to Miami.

  • Richard Pesicka

    Denver was out classed, Out played, and Out coached.

  • Aaron

    I was at the game tonight. . . . We have such a weird team. We have a few guys that really fill up the stat sheet, but are killing us on the court. JJ Hickson is the worst offender. He was our leading scorer at the half, but he was brutal out there. He doesn’t do the things you need a frontcourt player to do, like box out, get rebounds, catch passes, and help on defense when penetration happens. DArthur and Foye are similar players, (though Foye was better tonight). They get their points, and they’ll get a steal every now and then. . but they aren’t good basketball players. You can see why GKarl would play a guy like Fournier, or Kofous. . . they’re good basketball players who don’t have great numbers. I’m agreeing with Matt on the “losing the team” issue. I think Andre and TY have checked out. It’s like Ty doesn’t want to be on the all star team. I’m kind of hoping Connelly chooses our players over Shaw. I don’t think it will happen, but if Shaw doesn’t start playing the guys who deserve to play and morphing our offense to shape our roster. . this thing isn’t getting better.

  • The Truth

    Good thing is they hit bottom. In two weeks we will know whether they are headed to lottery land or out to contend for the seventh or eighth spot. I’m surprised things got so bad. When they were winning it was about masterful rotation of 11-12 guys and a developing half court offense. Now Shaw is all dogmatic to find a 10 man rotation and stresses out himself and the players in the process.

    The O looks worse now then it did in the first two weeks. There’s no progression with the D, and they just don’t seem to like each other. We might as well talk about a coaching change cuz they’re headed in that direction.

    Ty is satisfied with being dynamic but he’s not progressing as a solid dependable PG. Nate and Foye are steady trying to run some indivisible offense instead of just getting buckets. Nate looks like he doesn’t want to be here half the time. Wilson is not ready to be a go to guy while defending top players every night. They don’t feed Mozzy when he’s in and Faried and Hickson refuse to play smarter instead of harder/dumber. i could go on and on. J Ham needs to control his emotions and learn consistency. Evan should of never been demoted for this heavy dose of Dre Miller. .

    • LBJ

      We don’t need to wait 2 weeks – we are lottery bound!

    • Charliemyboy

      Sadly, winning the lottery will still take years to develop a contender. Sigh.

  • Pickles1731

    Trade Mozzy and Chandler for Omer Asik. Rockets will take anything for Asik at this point and it would give Shaw the defensive minded/talented center he needs.

    • Dan Sivertson

      Surely you jest.

  • heykyleinsf

    thank you Matt.
    Especially for pointing out that layup that little rookie Micheal Carter Williams wanted to rebound more than all of us.
    It was at that point tonight that I knew we were losing the game… and that kind of apathy is beyond depressing.
    If I was Shaw, I would make a 10 second loop of that playing over and over and over.. and force them to watch it for an hour. Lawson should have the seat of shame front and center.
    NO PRIDE. NONE.

  • VytisRMC

    The most alarming part of it all is the lack of effort. You get paid millions of dollars to come into games with the right mindset and, regardless of your mood, put in 100%. When guys stop doing that and look like they don’t even want to be on the floor you’re really in trouble.

  • Paul Griggs

    Great, we went from one of the best teams in the league, to a marginal playoff contender (if we start playing better). Bring back Karl!

    • gimpcom187

      No way man! It was horrible making the playoffs every year. Horrible having a cohesive unit with an effective style. Horrible having the team outplay the talent.

      • Poz303

        You forgot to mention its horrible having an entertaining product, one which puts butts in seats. Just plain horrible.

  • Sheena Allen

    Nothing wrong with the team but the coach. Fire Shaw and get a coach that likes to run.

  • Duane Grasmick

    The team doesn’t play hard at all. The coach appears to have no clue on how to create a rotation. Our best player won’t take control of anything and is very passive for large portions of the game. This thing is a mess. Its time to clean house and start all over again, and I hate doing that but this thing is not gonna get any better the way it is set up right now.

  • Charliemyboy

    It’s on Shaw. Beating Dallas and Minn. 2x each and then diving is totally coaching. No motivation; no using skills to match play. Karl did both. Solution?: 5 mil for 3 years to Karl guaranteed; let Shaw stay (he’s cheap) to learn. I guarantee the team will turn around. No changing of personnel will do it. The players are good enough; they are just not a team. Shaw has to go. Sorry. You could coach better.

  • tigglon

    Let’s not forget the reasoning behind firing Karl: Sure, we’ll lose a few more regular season games, but come playoff time the Nuggets will finally be able to go the distance!

    This will happen, no question. Thank you Kroenke!

    • Sheena Allen

      We’re not going to make the playoffs. Can’t beat the sixers at home.

      • tigglon

        Yeah, that was my point :)

  • Richard Pesicka

    1-9 nuff said..

  • slugdugg

    Wow… Andre went after Shaw on the sidelines during the game. We are officially in freefall.

    • Duane Grasmick

      If this FO and coach have any backbone…he should be traded or straight out released….what a cancer

      • Sheena Allen

        The coach is a joke. Keep Miller and cut Shaw.

        • Duane Grasmick

          Coach is young and making young mistakes….Andre Miller is a 14 year vet who has proven to be all about Andre.

  • Seth Jefferies

    Straight forward. If Miller is losing his cool like that in front of everyone, it’s not difficult to imagine what he must be like in the locker room. Miller needs to go. I am not saying that he is the Nuggets problem, but with antics like that he’s definitely a starting point to resolving the problem.

  • Evan Fiala

    what a clusterf***. it totally sucks for shaw that he inherited this mess of a team (yeah, this one’s on you kroenke) but i’m pretty sure he has no clue what he’s doing. this team has no identity, no unity, no effort and no pride. shaw’s rotations are all over the place; he’s just throwing random players into the game at random times and calling it “experimentation” for trying to find the right lineup. how long have we heard that now? we’re over a third way done of the season and he still doesn’t have a solid lineup figured out? all of this falls on him. good coaches bring out the best of what they have, but as of right now, he is not a good coach.

  • disqus_Zof8sHWvOp

    Its clear you dont like Chandler we get that

  • trank

    if the nuggets and the nicks both get lottery denver still only gets one pick (the best) right?

    • Sheena Allen

      Yep. That’s why tanking wouldn’t help anything.

      • gimpcom187

        Th knicks healthyish still have a shot at the playoffs in the east and it gives them more ping pong balls. So it isnt worthless just mininmized return.

        • LBJ

          Totally agree – the Atlantic division is horrible. Three teams tanking and the Knicks/Nets totally sucking. 30 wins might put you in the playoffs. We can’t count on the Knicks NOT making the playoffs.

  • KW

    I remember a one of the first few games of the season where AR15 was inbounding from the sideline and bounced the ball off an opposing teams back to himself, then drunkenly drove to the hoop like a fast moving sloth and scored. On any team that I have ever played on, a bench player coming up with that kind of maneuver would have resulted in a bunch of guffaws from his team. It was hilarious. Nobody cracked a smile.

    Until these guys start caring about each other, nothing is going to work.

  • Duane Grasmick

    Where were all the Karl lovers when we won 7 in a row…things go bad and all of the sudden its all about Karl…..when do the players get blamed for no showing and not giving 1 ounce of effort

    • Poz303

      Right here waiting to say “I told you so” :)

      Seems like Shaw is losing the team, this didnt happen when GK was around, not even when Melo was basically saying to trade him.

      Motion O is what these players want. When Denver plays with pace they look decent. I feel somewhat bad for Shaw. He has his vision for how he would want to play, but his vision was developed with teams of superstars (Kobe, Shaq) or very solid BIG big men (Indiana). Denver has neither, the Motion O GK was playing has some merits.

      “Motion Offenses:

      When teams are not blessed with super stars or big players, they must
      rely on a total team effort in order to be successful. Through teamwork,
      teams of average size and abilities can overcome and defeat teams of
      superior talent and size. However, this requires not only that players
      play together as a single unit; but more importantly, possess an
      unselfish attitude and work ethic to create open shots opportunities for
      their teammates.”

    • gimpcom187

      I was on here saying maybe shaw was better than the start implied. But also that maybe it was more about ty having his best month of the year in november and the 3 pt shooting being lucky hot. That if ty didnt play like a top 5 pg all year it wasnt maintanable. People similar to you dismissed that. Guess you were wrong.

  • Andrew

    So, I am wondering if RMC can post an article that discusses what the Nuggs can and can’t do right now, then at the trade deadline towards Feb (when more teams will be looking to deal), and then for next year’s draft. How about New Year’s resolution type post? I don’t know. It just seems like we’re all sitting around complaining about what we do not like (I’m guilty of this, as well), rather than envisioning what we would like to see (aside from “fire Shaw” or “get rid of Kroenke”)
    Most of this has already been stated, some of them won’t be obtainable and some not feasible because of caps or whatever, but I’d like to see the Nuggs:
    1) Play/Give more consistent, big minutes to:
    a) Fournier
    b) J Ham
    c) Mozzy
    2) Trade:
    a) Miller to a decent team in the East that needs a backup and might give us a young guy or a 2nd rounder,
    b) Hickson (I still see Faried as being a very valuable guy off the bench for a good team and would like to keep him…you know, in case we become a good team) to somebody not so good in the East that needs rebounding (that we might get either a 2 guard that can actually defend and shoot or a high 2nd rounder for next year).
    c) Chandler to somebody in the East for either a PF that can defend the post and stretch 4s or a pick (low 1st/high 2nd?). This is a gamble, since it it unclear how well Gallo will play when he gets back, but…
    3) Draft:
    a) a potential superstar. If they get a top 3 pick, Randle/Parker/Wiggins. If they get next 3-4, maybe Smart, Embiid or that other PG from euro. I’m torn as to who I would like to see the Nuggs draft and would like to hear what others think.
    I’m not a guru on the cap issues or players that are available, so I would like to see what people think about what can/can’t be done.

    • LBJ

      I like #1 – but I’m not sure about J-Ham’s future in Denver, as we didn’t pik up his contract for next year.
      #2 – I suspect we have been trying to deal Miller and Hickson. Miller is on an expiring contract (which likely exceeds anything we can get for him) and teams in the running are probably just waiting for u to release him after the blow up. I suspect JJ has zero value – as the rest of the NBA saw he sucked last year and had no interest in pursuing him as a free agent. wouldn’t be opposed to trading Chandler/Faried for a SG.
      #3 – I’m good with this!

  • Darius

    I knew this game was gunna be a joke when QUINCY MILLER was the first sub. No defense at all. The heat game looked so promising too :(

  • Poz303

    Andre Miller suspended for 2 games by Nuggets for conduct detrimental to the team.