Rapid Reaction: Minnesota Timberwolves 117 – Denver Nuggets 90

Take a mediocre team, remove its best player, add a dash of All star weekend on the horizon, a pinch of road game, a dollop of blowout fatigue, a sprinkle of “what’s the point, we’re not making the playoffs anyway” malaise, and BOOM, you’ve got yourself a 30-point loss to a sub-.500 team.

Denver Nuggets 90 FinalRecap | Box Score 117 Minnesota Timberwolves
Darrell Arthur, PF 11 MIN | 0-4 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 0 PTS | -14

Arthur was Denver’s one and only hope of mitigating Love’s impact but a confluence of bad fouls and horrendous offense didn’t really give him much of a chance. His inability to hit that mid-range jumper, AKA his only real offensive move, is becoming more and more alarming. Without it he becomes just a one-way player, one that would loss minutes fast in an unforgiving big man rotation.

Kenneth Faried, PF 19 MIN | 2-6 FG | 2-2 FT | 2 REB | 1 AST | 2 STL | 2 BLK | 2 TO | 6 PTS | -22

The “Kevin Love responsibility” fell to Faried, at least for a time, and Love’s 32-11-8 game as well as Faried’s wonderfully indicative -22 pretty much summed up his effectiveness tonight.

Wilson Chandler, SF 30 MIN | 4-10 FG | 0-0 FT | 8 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 12 PTS | -19

In an offense that seemed akin to a car with every one of its tires blown to shreds as it careened off the Grand Canyon, it was comforting (?) to see Chandler play relatively the same game he’s always played. The fact that he merely put up a chaotic 12 points, posted zero assists, and played sub-par defense in this, his most typical game, is rather less comforting.

J.J. Hickson, C 25 MIN | 6-11 FG | 2-2 FT | 13 REB | 3 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 3 TO | 14 PTS | -11

Hickson also played his typical game: 13 unearned rebounds, 14 discordant points, and a defensive performance that was masterful in its lack of effort and utter incompetence.

Randy Foye, SG 33 MIN | 3-12 FG | 2-2 FT | 1 REB | 4 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 8 TO | 10 PTS | -32

Asking Foye to run the pick and roll as the primary point is just cruel. He can’t do it and shouldn’t have to. His offense is being highjacked by a desperate team need he is wholly unable to fill. Ricky Rubio consistently beating him off the dribble, though, is another thing entirely.

Jordan Hamilton, SF 33 MIN | 7-14 FG | 0-0 FT | 6 REB | 7 AST | 3 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 16 PTS | -3

Hamilton’s numbers are surprising at first glance but less so when considering that they were mostly accrued in a garbage time that spanned the entirety of the second half. Still, if Denver’s going to lose, might as well lose giving the young guys sufficient minutes.

Quincy Miller, SF 10 MIN | 0-2 FG | 1-2 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 1 TO | 1 PTS | -3

Oh Quincy. This was a particularly poor performance in a game that seemed only made up of them.

Anthony Randolph, SF 15 MIN | 4-8 FG | 1-2 FT | 2 REB | 1 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 9 PTS | -7

Anthony Randolph is the king of taking over games that ended two quarters ago. Still, you can never knock the guy’s effort, just the way he implements it.

Timofey Mozgov, C 31 MIN | 3-8 FG | 3-6 FT | 6 REB | 1 AST | 1 STL | 3 BLK | 2 TO | 9 PTS | -14

Mozgov had two behind the back passes and shot a corner three. He gets an A+.

Evan Fournier, SG 33 MIN | 4-9 FG | 4-4 FT | 5 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 3 TO | 13 PTS | -10

Fournier is in the Foye boat, he can’t be asked to run the offense by himself. We’ve had about a full season, if you combine the second half of last year and the first half of this one, worth of play to evaluate. He seems to have manifested his usefulness as a spot up shooter who can occasionally beat him man off the dribble. Spear-heading a pick and roll attack is just not in his repertoire.

Brian Shaw
Games like this serve as a nice example for the people who love to tout the “the team has quit on their coach” narrative. The last four games have not been the greatest of endorsements for Shaw’s ability to coach in less than ideal conditions but, then again, its hard to know what exactly to expect with this team, especially with how hobbled they are. You can cite the team’s poor effort as an indictment on him as a coach but, at some point, you just have to accept that not many first year guys, guys who are still wrestling with what they want their team to be, can “coach up” a team missing five players.

Two Things We Saw

  1. Forgive the lack of grades, the recap machine was having a bit of trouble digesting this horrid excuse for a basketball game. Lets just pretend its an ardent statement by me, that I don’t have to do my job if the team doesn’t seem to want to do theirs. That sounded good right?
  2. Shaw’s offense is predicated on the pick and roll and Denver came into this game with literally no player on the active roster who could properly operate it. The offense devolved into a series of chaotic cuts and haphazard jumpers, vain attempts to beat the shot clock with an attempt from anywhere on the court, guarded or not. This meandering offensive style leaked into the defense, and soon turnovers were turning instantaneously into two points for Minnesota. This is how blowouts happen, and whether the Wolves won by 30, 20, or 60, it really wouldn’t have mattered. Denver came unprepared through no fault of their own yet also willfully played to lose. What that means in the grand scheme of things, aside from the now near impossible dream of a playoff birth, is unknowable. Maybe this was the first sign that Shaw was not cut out for the job or maybe this was the moment Denver realized they needed to re-work the current iteration of this team. All we can do now is painfully indulge in the mires of sub-mediocrity, and pray for a brighter future.

 

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David Walker

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  • heykyleinsf

    I guess we can start to get excited about the draft.
    What are the scenarios and possibilities?
    Hey… we have to stay invested for some reason

    • Brandon Delay

      Here is to a great draft, getting rid of some of these players and people returning healthy for next year

      • heykyleinsf

        the last two losses by a combined 70 points has finally destroyed my optimism. Even knowing half the side is out. We’re easily the worst team at the NBA at this given point in time. It’s mostly injuries… but clearly.. something is rotten with these guys right now. Shaw laughing the other night is sitting even worse with me right now.

        • Brandon Delay

          Yeah IDK they have definitely just quit. I wonder what Shaw does at practices. I have a feeling he isn’t motivating these guys. I would expect some people to have improved by now at least in their defense if he was doing his job.

          • Wes

            Ya weird, not sure I’ve ever seen a team with absolutely no point guard.

    • Cory

      Been looking forward to the draft for weeks now. Just watched Tyler Ennis nail that game winning heave from 35 feet. The dude is a stud! Lawson or Ennis idk nowadays. We gotta do something though.

    • sherlock

      I was still optimistic before Ty’s injury and Gallo not coming back etc that we could still win some games and make the playoffs. However, now I think it’s time to just sit back and give the young guys plenty of time to grow and dip into the highest number of lottery balls we can get.

  • LBJ

    Nuggets gave up 479 points on the 4 game road trip – and we only played one good team.

    • Nugman

      So why does everyone keep talking about their bad offense?

  • tsraider08

    And to think we were discussing signing Monta Ellis this last offseason… instead we get Foye and Hickson… Please just blow up everything for future cap flexibility and the promise of a decent draft pick this year.

    • Brandon Delay

      I know its been discussed over and over again but I wish they would start a true center at center i.e. Mozgov and Arthur at PF. I wasn’t to concerned with Foye but definitely wasn’t happy with Hickson

  • nugzin2040

    Should be a lot of new Nuggets for their next game. Discouraging they are not even remotely competitive without Ty

    • Cory

      They weren’t even remotely competitive with him. He was a one man show. never knowing who is going to show up besides Foye.

      • Nugman

        Foye has a minus 32 and you say he “showed up”? What game were you watching?

        • Cory

          I was talking about games in which Ty Lawson played. Can’t expect Foye to do something he isn’t really capable of.

      • sherlock

        There is no reason Ty should have been playing the minutes he was before he got injured (40+). He definitely has no business touching that mark for the rest of the season.

  • Wes

    Guess we don’t get the Knicks pick. We’re far worse than them anyway. Sit Lawson with mystery injuries, play young guys and sacrifice your first born to the basketball gods for a top ten’ish pick

    • sherlock

      If we are giving up our first born I’d expect at least a top 5 ;)

  • Heisenberg
    • Furious_Stylez

      While I like Pierce, would it really be worth dumping 2 starters for a 2 month rental? Pierce is from LA and will either sign with the Lakers or Clippers (or maybe resign w/ Boston to retire a Celtic) after this season. This team can’t give away too many players to tank because they play in the West. In the East, 2 good players gets you in the playoffs. In the West, your roster needs to go at least 8 deep to compete.

      If the Nuggets can flip Miller for anything, limit Lawson’s minutes going forward (25 mpg) and Shaw starts using the bench more (especially stiffs like Randolph and Arthur), they can lose games and keep a decent squad for next season. Just tell Timo to keep shooting the 3-ball and the L’s will pile up.

      • Heisenberg

        This trade would be more for cap relief, than anything.

        I also wouldn’t be opposed to shopping Gallinari to a tanking team for an expiring contract. Free agency really isn’t that bad (even outside LeBron and Melo) and improving draft position would be a bonus. Obviously McGee’s contract can’t be moved and Lawson is still pretty affordable.

        This year is obviously lost, and next year is as well with the roster as is, even if it’s fully healthy (at best, they’d be a 6-8 seed, and a likely first round exit). Being in that 6-8 seed is the worst place to be in the NBA. You’re not good enough to win a playoff series, and you don’t get a lottery pick.

    • Darian Williams

      No.

    • Sócrates Manzoni

      I really like this trade, it’s very similar to what Zach Lowe came up earlier this week.

      This way Denver escapes from the horrendous Hickson contract, and free up some cap space for the next three (3!!!) summers.

      Like ZL said, Denver has the worst cap situation in the league: no stars, no young tradeable players and a lot of midrange contracts of 27+ year old players with 2 or more years on the book. This season everyone on the team except for Ty has lost some of their trade value

      • Heisenberg

        At least our cap isn’t as bad as Brooklyn’s. Joe Johnson’s contract is atrocious. In 2015-16 (!), Brooklyn is set to give over $60 Million to three players: Joe Johnson, Deron Williams, and Brook Lopez.

        Denver’s definitely not looking great in the cap department, though. McGee’s contract is terrible and Gallinari is a huge question mark.

        It’s time to start trading these guys for expiring contracts. This is the way a quick rebuild can go. Clear up as much cap space as possible and try to make a splash or two in free agency….Give Deng, Stephenson, and Randolph a look, and maybe even look into some RFA’s such as Hayward, Evan Turner (who I would actually consider trading Gallo for), and Avery Bradley.

        • LBJ

          If Gallo is healthy, his contract is fine. Deng has already turned down $10 million a year – and he is older and not as good as Gallo.

          • Heisenberg

            Gallo isn’t better than Deng once you factor in defense.

            • LBJ

              Gallo’s D is fine. He is also a much better offensive player, younger and probably cheaper.

            • Poz303

              Durant said Gallo is one of the best defenders in the NBA

            • googergieger

              Then you realize Gallo is much better.

              • Heisenberg

                The eye test and defensive win shares are in favor of Deng.

                Gallo’s decent on D, Deng’s one of the best defenders in the NBA.

              • googergieger

                Misleading stat is misleading. Synergy(only real way you can measure one on one d, say Gallo is the way better defender). Much more eye test easily say Gallo is the better defender. Longer, faster(guy back pedals amazingly), and he doesn’t get away with fouling like other known “defenders” do. He just plays smart great D. Problem with going on NBA manufactured hype is, that hype said Kobe deserved all his defensive team honors and that Durant is a great defender. He didn’t on the former, and he isn’t on the latter.

              • Heisenberg

                He’s gotten torched by Kevin Durant several times. Deng’s actually stopped Durant and he’s owned Paul George this year.

                We don’t even know what Gallo’s quickness will be like post ACL surgery.

              • googergieger

                Durant gets bailed out by the refs ALL THE TIME. So great argument there. Gallo has stopped plenty of people too. Seriously how on earth can you watch Gallo play and not say he is one of the top defenders in this league? He does everything a great defender should do, and has the length and footwork to go along with it.

                Post acl surgery? I think you either realized you were wrong on this argument or are almost admitting you haven’t paid attention to either Deng or Gallo play D. Instead just agreeing with some talking heads. Which again, say Kobe deserves all his defensive team honors.

              • Heisenberg

                Again, Gallo is a decent defender. I just feel Deng is better.

              • gimpcom187

                link stats for synergy Googs. (Sample size issues as a caveat since I don’t believe the Nuggets had Synergy last year so it’s just away games at certain spots) Gallo is a better player most likely though his rebounding should be much better given his height and strength combination advantages over practically every Wing in the game not named Lebron James.

                Deng/gallo comparison is hard to determine because Chicago’s defensive scheme is the paramount part of their game while Gallo hasn’t ever been on a team with even an average defensive big and Karl was an average to slightly above average defensive coach. It’s pretty clear Gallo is a superior offensive player though. It’s probably pretty close which is to say it depends on the scheme and teammates.

                Post ACL is a very germane to the conversation as it is very difficult to return from and maintain athleticism at previous standard and stay relatively healthy. Often we are thinking of the extreme athletes like Derrick Rose. Clearly Gallo is a different type of player, but still it should be discounted for at this point. Gallo’s value is non-existant at this point in terms of trade value because he has more than 1 more year left, is making a large sum and there is no idea when he will return and if he will be even 80% as good as he was.

                PS googs I love the irony/double standard of you sticking up for the value of Gallo while conveniently glossing over that as part of the assessment of last year’s playoff loss. I

      • wij

        All this talk about clearing cap space. Who was the last great player to come to Denver via free agency from another team?? Denver has to build through the draft and make a young exciting team over a few seasons that players will want to come play for – like what you see is happening with OKC. Then with an attractive team you can get some good veterans, kinda like what Indiana and Golden State have done.

  • Paul Griggs

    Look on the bright side…if we win the next 31 games, we’ll have the same recordas last year…oh, wait, nope, this team has already lost more games by the All-Star break as the Nuggets under HOF coach Karl did last year. But don’t worry, we won’t lose in the first round of the playoffs.

  • Nugman

    I enjoyed watching Melo, Kmart, JR, Cory, AAA, KK, etc, but I really don’t even enjoy watching JJ, Foye and even Arthur. Trade all 3 for someone who is at least entertaining. And why are these guys getting so many minutes in huge blowouts? Play the young guys when the loss is assured!

    Remember how fun it was to watch GK’s teams?

  • Richard Pesicka

    My two sons came over last night to watch the Nuggets. I barbecued steaks for them and set back to watch a great game. The game went south. We went out and got ice cream. The rest is history. So is this team. History in the making. In a Bad way. Don’t do to Nuggets fans what the Rockies did to Rockies fans. You have almost as many fans rooting for the other team as you do the Rockies. Bad trades, bad pitchers, etc. You get the picture. If this team gets bad enough, it might go up for sale. But wait, who would want this team and coach?

  • Erlingur Grétar Einarsson

    Embarrassing loss. I believe that anyone who doesn’t show the effort or willingness to defend any and every opponent possession is tradeable. If I were running this team (which I’m not, so it makes it very easy to say this), everyone other than Ty (he does give it all, even though he’s undersized a lot of the time), Darrell Arthur and Mozgov would be on the trading block. I would even consider a full Boston scenario and rebuild with ambitious young players with an aim to draft smart, and possibly lure a star or two around a blend of talented youth and a couple of role-playing veterans with championship experience.

    It has to be the priority of any NBA team to win the title. The Nugs are not gonna do it with this group, so why persist in trying to convince yourself that they might/could/should? Try, try again. I don’t want to watch my team get stuck in mediocrity any longer than it has. If things have to get ugly before they get pretty, then so be it. That would actually serve the fan in me better than riding the fringes of the playoffs for ten more years. Hell, I became a fan in 1991, when they were crap!

  • Jazz

    I really don,t believe in one and done but, Connelly May fit that criteria. I really don,t understand why the nuggets have not made any moves. You can see that shaw maybe losing the team. No defense means no effort and that is what,s going on. If nothing happens before trade deadline, nugget nation do you think he should keep his job. I think he needs to make a blockbuster deal ASAP. What a mess. Go nuggetssssss

    • Cory

      This isn’t Shaws fault. Blame Connelly or whoever. But Shaw has credentials since people want to throw out the HOF George Karl. Dude has been apart of champiionships as a player and coach and Made Paul George. Give the dude a terribly bad defensive team and this is what happens. Then have your team lose by 30 four games in a row because you’ve lost 3 of your top players and that’s is how it’s going to go down. He has no talent available that can thrive as a starter. Chandler is the only starter starting and he ain’t all that.

      • bmac

        I too can’t fully blame Shaw. I do believe the main dysfunction is NO PG. Maybe I don’t understand how it works, but can’t we find a PG in the D-league and sign a series of 10-day contracts? A DL PG has to be better than what we are doing. Also, and I don’t remember where I read it, but the Nugs are suffering a bit from the ghost of Karl; meaning some of the players are still unlearning the constant effort to cut to the basket instead of taking open mid-range jumpers. I’m sure you can add a few more issues, and the it would be “all of the above.”

        On a side note, the best part of last night’s broadcast was the brief Gallinari sighting and discussion on his knee.

        • LBJ

          A real front office would have traded MIller AND signed a D leaguer to a 10 day deal.

          • Furious_Stylez

            Totally agree. Miller should’ve been traded the second Sac-town called and gave Connolly 3 different options. Now his stock has taken dive due to him not playing for a month and a half. I’m really starting to wonder if Connolly has a plan for this team.

            • LBJ

              Expiring contracts and trade exemptions aren’t worth much if your team sucks. You can attract players that are only interested in the money – and could care less about winning.

          • bmac

            can’t argue with that logic.

          • Cory

            where is eric green who we just drafted and was the leading scorer in the ACC last year.

      • Nugman

        I will give Shaw more time before I judge him, but I think he is at least partly responsible for what’s going on. He really seems to be having trouble motivating his players and that’s big trouble for a head coach. If you can’t motivate young players, or players who are fighting for an NBA career, who can you motivate?

        • Cory

          Hard to motivate when you always losing by more than 10 every other night.

  • Hoopy

    Trade Faried while he still has some value. He is undersized for a 4, is an offensive liability and can’t match up against the monster PF’s in the league.

  • heykyleinsf

    in hindsight.. our off-season was disastrous. chemistry is everything. continually blowing up the roster is a recipe for failure. That’s why I am not ever a fan of trade machines which NBA fans seem to be addicted to. At some point.. you have to settle and gel. This team has the look of a team that doesn’t have an identity and doesn’t have a direction. I’m not going to blame it all on Iguodala.. but that’s where everything started unravelling. He was our priority, our investment, our plan. He took less money to play elsewhere. I find the people that like and respect Iguodala are the same people who never come here when we have won big games. Iguodala destroyed us. Not single-handedly, but left us in the position where we had to scrap together what we now have. You can defend him if you want. I just think it means you suck as a Nuggets fan if you do.

    At this point we are already blown up.
    So it’s fair right now to look for big trades and hope for good draft picks.
    I just want to keep a few core pieces together for something to build on.

    • Heisenberg

      The biggest problem is that this is not the NFL, we don’t see low seeds winning very often, and being trapped in the 6-8 seed range is the worst place you can possibly be. It’s better to tank for a season or two and get a franchise player than get bounced in the first round of the playoffs.

      You can’t win a championship without a superstar. The Nuggets cap situation is a mess. The Nuggets should be offloading some of these two and three year deals. Keep Lawson, Faried (who is a BARGAIN), and McGee (because they pretty much have to, nobody’s taking that contract) and shop everyone else. Hope to get lucky in the Draft Lottery (assuming it isn’t rigged) and try and make a splash in free agency.

      As far as Iguodala is concerned….I personally feel that Iggy is one of the most overrated players in the NBA. I’m glad he didn’t resign with the Nuggets and make their cap situation worse. The Nuggets shouldn’t have traded Chauncey, having a veteran leader is important, and he still had some left in the tank when Denver traded him.

      • LBJ

        Resigning our own players impacts the luxury tax, not so much cap space. If we wanted Iggy to stay, the answer is simple – offer him more freaking money!!! GSW offered him the same $12 million a year – and it didn’t take a genius to figure out which team has a better chance to succeed.

        • heykyleinsf

          OFFER HIM MORE MONEY???
          HELLO?? HELLO??
          WE DID.
          And we still weren’t even 2nd on his list.
          He was going to sign with Dallas for cheaper
          before GSW came in at the last minute.
          He never had any intention to stay..
          he just milked us.. screwed us..
          thus the sh*tpile we have that we were
          left to choose from after he waited a couple months.
          He could have been honest… But NOOOOoooooo!!!

          I’m sick of people lying to defend him.
          He’s a jerk.

          Per NBCsports…
          “To get here, he turned down a four-year, $52 million deal that Sacramento offered July 2 and then pulled, a five-year, $60 million front-loaded deal that Denver had on the table throughout the process, and a lucrative deal with Dallas that Iguodala almost signed an hour before the Warriors were able to create the necessary cap space to offer him four years and $48 million….

          Finally, an hour before Iguodala was to sign with the Mavericks, the Warriors made two concessions in the deal with Utah and were able to send Richard Jefferson, Andris Biedrins and Brandon Rush – along with two first-round picks and two seconds..”

          • LBJ

            5 years at $60 million = $12 million a year. The fifth year was only partially guaranteed. Why did we get outbid by Sacramento?

            Milked us??? He voided a year on his contract at $16 million. If we wanted him, we could have offered him more.

            Finally, he didn’t ” wait a couple of months”. He waited a couple of days.

            Our FO had a bad plan A and a horrible plan B (sign a bunch of journeymen). If you want to blame someone – Joshy your man.

            • heykyleinsf

              dude..
              You don’t read.
              I didn’t say Sacto did I?
              Is he playing there?
              Why are you confused?
              And should we do some mathematics together?
              4yrs $48M (GSW) < 5yrs $60M (Denver Nuggets)
              Plus we offered heavy incentives and front-loaded guarantees. I don't know why you want to make
              stuff up.
              And we were eliminated on May 3rd.
              Iggy signed with GSW on July 5th. TWO MONTHS.

              Aaaaaaaand.. per bleacher report…
              "What a slap in the face for the Denver Nuggets.

              Not only is Andre Iguodala joining the team that knocked the Nuggets out of the playoffs last season, he waited until most of the shooting guards had already signed with other franchises.

              Yahoo! Sports' Adrian Wojnarowski reported on Friday that Iguodala agreed to terms with the Golden State Warriors on a four-year deal worth $48 million. What's even tougher for Denver to swallow is that, according to Wojnarowski, Denver offered Iguodala a better deal than he took with the Warriors."

              • heykyleinsf

                THIS..
                Is also beautiful.
                From Bleacher Report

                (btw.. game set and match)

                “Why then does something feel so wrong with the Warriors these days? Well, because as good as they are, many thought they would be better. The same holds true for Andre Iguodala, whom the Warriors acquired in a sign-and-trade this offseason for four years and $48 million.

                But Iguodala and the Warriors haven’t quite clicked. Sometimes, Iguodala has been an important two-way player, shutting down his opposite number and filling in all the loose cracks on the offensive end. Other times, you can watch a quarter-and-a-half of Warriors basketball and barely notice he’s on the floor.

                Still, in 40 games, some of Iguodala’s numbers are startling. Despite plenty of playing time, Iguodala has taken 10 or more shots in a game just eight times. He’s scored in double figures in just 14 games. His field-goal attempts per game (7.4) are the lowest since his rookie season.

                There was a point earlier this year when Iguodala’s statistical impact—or non-impact—didn’t matter. The Warriors were 19-6 in games that he played in, so that seemed to be enough proof of Iguodala’s impact and contribution. But the Warriors are 7-8 in their past 15 games, and Iguodala has been a part of all of them—but not enough of a part, many feel.

                Scoring isn’t the only facet of Iguodala’s game that is waning. His assists and rebounds are down, and he’s either failed or hasn’t been given a chance to be Curry’s permanent understudy at the 1—something the Warriors desperately need.”

              • LBJ

                $12 million a year NOT guaranteed is meaningless. We offered him the same guaranteed money as GSW – and less than the Kings.

                Free agents can’t commit until after July 1 – and Iggy left shortly after Howard declared where he was going.

                Monta Ellis, OJ Mayo and probably Tyreke Evans were FO options. To say Iggy’s “delaying” screwed us is just wrong. Our FO was just not prepared to react.

              • Poz303

                I do agree that the FO should have had a much better plan B.

              • heykyleinsf

                Our FO was just not prepared to react…
                because…
                they had no indication from Iggy that he wouldn’t stay.
                When the truth was..
                he was leaving from day one.
                That’s my whole point.
                He was dishonest.

              • LBJ

                Let me clue you in on a little secret – most employees don’t tell their employers they are leaving until after they get another job offer and they know how much the job pays.

              • heykyleinsf

                I have never left a job cold like that.
                For the very reason..
                they call every job you’ve been at to verify you’ve worked
                there and to give an evaluation.
                Every time I have left..
                I’ve told my employer as far in advance as possible.
                The NBA may not need that..
                but most people are screwed if they behave like that.

              • LBJ

                I’m not sure where you have worked – but for legal reasons most companies don’t provide an evaluation of former employees. My firm will verify employment (dates only) – but nothing else. Most companies we contact have a similar policy.

                Good luck with your personal policy – but it is rare for employees to tell employers they are leaving BEFORE they have a new job.

      • heykyleinsf

        You’re totally right.
        He is the most over-rated player in the NBA
        and we nearly made a stupid mistake paying him.
        But still.. I don’t respect Iguodala for his dishonesty.
        He did screw us.
        I’m glad he’s gone.. and I’m sick of people thinking
        he’s a nice guy worth what we would have given him.
        He’s a prick for what he did.
        We lost a draft pick, we lost time, and we lost momentum.
        He’s also 30, and his game is hustle.
        His best days are over.. and the only consolation
        is that we didn’t overpay to keep someone that over-rated.

        • LBJ

          You just gone done telling us that numerous NBA execs wanted to pay him big bucks — and now you say he is washed up.

          He screwed us by leaving – yet it would have been a mistake to sign him.

          Consistency is apparently not important when we are hating Iggy.

          • Poz303

            I dont think that’s Heykyleinsf’s point. The fact the Nuggets wanted to resign him may not have been the right decision but they waited for Iggy to decide when he already knew he was leaving. Then Iggy played the FO trying to force to do a sign and trade with GSW. By the time the Iggy mess was over, most desired FAs were with other teams.

            • heykyleinsf

              FINALLY SOMEBODY GETS IT.
              THANK YOU.

            • LBJ

              Iggy had no ability to force a “sign and trade” – we did it because we thought it was in our interest (we got Foye and a trade exception). We could have done what the Lakers did with Howard and let him sign for less.

              • Poz303

                Ugh, I hate having to rehash this. OK (inhales deeply). Remember when Iggy tweeted something like “Really? OK… motivation” and people thought it was about the Kings withdrawing the offer? Well, it wasnt, it was because initially Denver refused to do the S&T with GSW. Then GSW cleared the cap space to sign Iggy outright, so Denver decided to try and get something back and agreed to the S&T.

                That was one of the worst decision the FO made. Yeah, they got a $9M TPE, and Foye but they also gave GSW a lot of flexibility. They should have just let him walk. GSW would have had trouble filling a roster and would have been cap strapped for years.

              • LBJ

                I agree with everything in this post.

        • Blue

          Chauncey said he wouldn’t play here anyways so the point is moot.

          http://www.denverpost.com/ci_20903959/chauncey-billups-talks-achilles-rehab-future-nba

          • heykyleinsf

            but that was 2 years ago…
            before Massai and Karl left.
            This is where he grew up..
            and I believe still lives..
            or at least has most of his family here.
            I’m not sure all circumstances were the same.

          • Heisenberg

            Chauncey wanted to be here when Denver traded him to the Knicks.

      • googergieger

        What?

      • Mujo67

        A year ago, the Nuggets were challenging the Thunder and Spurs and were considered a threat to win the conference. Now we’re in rebuilding mode again. By the way, the last time this team had a superstar, it sucked as bad as it does now. It’s still a team sport and even a superstar has to be a TEAM leader, not just a slick scorer.

    • googergieger

      I don’t like how Iguodala did us and am glad Golden State is going to be a first round out this year and for the considerable future. The problem with the off season was the front office made moves just to make moves. No point in getting Hickson and Foye. We should have tried to get Kirelenko who has a lot of the same qualities Iguodala has. Robinson signing along with keeping Miller was stupid as well. Honestly making no move at all in the off season would have been better than what the front office did. Would have given us more options for now at least, but we are a mess right now. We are going to lose on trades. No real way around that. We have no real choice but to lose on trades though. I say keep Ty and Gallo and move everything else. Again get the picks you can, the young talent you can get, and the expiring contracts you can get as well.

      • heykyleinsf

        Thank you Goog.

    • Mujo67

      It started unraveling when they fired Karl. Igoudala leaving just pulled the thread a bit quicker.

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  • tigglon

    Still — we have to applaud the wisdom of firing Karl. As Kroenke says, we’ll now finally be able to go all the way once we’re in the playoffs!

    • Furious_Stylez

      You’re right. I mean, he was hired immediately by another team after Denver fired him. Oh wait, NO other team wanted him, so ESPN hired him.

      Karl would’ve have done the same or worse as Shaw since half the players Shaw had to use regularly were players that Karl refused to play (and develop) most of last season (Mozgov, Hamilton, Q. Miller, and Fournier). Shaw was saddled with a D-League level bench and was asked to compete in the West.

      • LBJ

        We are seeing why Karl refused to play some of these guys – they suck. Hamilton can’t play, Q belongs in the D league or college, and Mozzy will never be more than a backup.

      • Poz303

        I dont think Karl would have lost the team even with all the injuries. What worries me most about Shaw right now is not the losses, it’s the fact the players arent even trying and he continues to throw out lineups with the majority of players out of position. I dont mind if you play Foye or Chandler out of position but Fournier should be playing majority of minutes at SG for development. Q should be playing at SF.

        Add to that the insistence of starting JJ at C (out of position). Last night he started Foye, Chandler, Arthur, Faried and JJ. Seriously???

        That should have been Foye, Fournier, Chandler, PF, Mozgov.

        • Nugman

          Agree. Shaw seems to be having trouble motivating his players and that’s the number one requirement at any level of coaching. Some guys have that ability and others don’t. The argument can also be made that most very successful players aren’t successful coaches. My theory for this is that it comes natural to them as a player, so they don’t know to teach it to others because they didn’t have to learn it. Either way, Shaw is showing some serious flaws.

  • heykyleinsf

    You look at the Broncos success with Elway,
    You look at the Avalanche success with Sakic.
    Hell.. even the Rockies did a little better with Walt Weiss..
    Guess who wants to be a GM soon?
    Pack your bags Connelly.

    From The Detroit News…
    He is flattered [people believe he can be a good coach], but Billups said he has his eye on the front office after he retires from the league.

    “Of course I have been thinking about my future the last five years,” Billups said. “I think a lot of people think that would be the natural progression because of what I do on the court. But if I had my desire I want to be in the front office and put the team together and be behind the scenes rather than being on the court every day.”

    • Blue

      Would love to see Chauncey as the GM here, but he will probably be the GM in Detroit. Joe Dumars can’t last that much longer.

    • LBJ

      Something you posted that i agree with….

  • Richard Pesicka

    The problems are going to keep piling up and it isn’t going to get any better. Management has made some very bad decision and they have to live with them. Namely ticket sales and lack of clothing sales. Nobody I know is running in and buying clothes or Rookie cards of anybody on the Nuggets team. And I find it offensive that someone on the Nuggets payroll took us all for a ride. Shame on them. Dumb comes in many flavors.

  • Evan Woodruff

    I have never been a fan of the Nuggets in a year they missed the playoffs. This is difficult. I always loved them because they always had a ton of potential, and I was always very hopeful full and optimistic. I guess next year will be the year. Gallo is going to be huge.

  • Nugman

    Maybe the Nugs should consider acquiring Gasol if they can get him cheap. I’m sure the Lakers would love to dump his salary for next year so they can pursue big free agents. And he would give us a post presence this year and next. If the Lakers would take JJ, Dre, Moz and AR it would work. He could mentor McGee and we could get rid of a lot of the junk our team. He only has one more year on his contract so it’s not a huge risk and he might just be the missing piece with Ty, Gallo, Faried and McGee next year. Thoughts?

    • LBJ

      The Lakers don’t want anything to do with the contracts of Mozzy and JJ.

  • LBJ

    Just read that Andre is working out at team facilities. Apparently, we are looking o bring him back. Our FO is doing a helluva job!

  • Mujo67

    Not to beat a dead horse, but this is what happens when a team fires a Hall of Fame coach who just led them to their BEST RECORD EVER!! Some might even call it karma, but I don’t believe in that. It’s just stupidity. I know, I know. The Karl critics will point out that they lost in the first round, Karl has never won it all, blah, blah, blah… The fact is, the Nuggets, and lots of other teams, have never won it all, with or without Karl. As much as I loved Doug Moe, Karl was the best coach the Nuggets ever had. OK, I actually love to beat this dead horse! It’s kind of like watching the Broncos inevitable sink into suckland during the McDaniels “era.”