Breaking News: Andre Miller Traded To Washington. Jordan Hamilton Potentially Headed to New York.

After weeks of wondering when it would happen, Andre Miller has finally been traded out of Denver.

Miller heads to Washington as part of a three team deal that will send former Wizard’s lottery pick Jan Vesely to the Nuggets and Washington point guard Eric Maynor and two second round picks (one from Washington next year and one from Denver in 2016) to the Philadelphia 76ers according to Yahoo!’s Marc Spears and Adrian Wojnarowski.

The deal does nothing besides shed salary for the Nuggets as Vesely is nothing more than an expiring contract worth $3.3 million that does absolutely nothing well on a basketball court.

The deal also seems to be a precursor to another trade that will actually land the Nuggets a point guard for the remainder of the season, as ESPN’s Marc Stein is reporting that Denver is moving forward with a trade for unhappy New York backup Beno Udrih.

Udrih is nothing spectacular but he is capable of handling the ball and playing point guarde, something that the Nuggets desperately needed with Ty Lawson out with a broken rib, Nate Robinson out with a torn ACL and now Miller out of Denver.

Hamilton has started 11 games this season, including on Tuesday night but his inability to consistently play good defense had caused him to fall out of favor with Brian Shaw which led to his removal from the rotation. Denver also had declined Hamilton’s option earlier this season so he was due to most likely leave Denver at the end of the season anyway.

Baring a surprising move this seems to be it for Denver at the deadline meaning they come away from the Miller fiasco with a bit of savings and without a second round pick a few years from now.

What are your thoughts on the trades? Did Denver get enough for Miller? Is trading Hamilton a good idea? Let us know in the comments below. 

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  • LBJ

    Great deal by Timmy and Joshy! We acquire some flotsam and give up a draft pick.

    • Ben Aubrey

      Seems like a good deal to me. It frees up a decent amount of cap space for next season. With how young the core of the team is we really don’t need a second round pick.

      • LBJ

        Miller’s deal was only partially guaranteed for next year – so I don’t think we freed up any cap space. It only saves us a little money this year – which I guess our owners need.

        • Darius

          Izzet Turkyilmaz was also a former Nuggets second round pick

          • LBJ

            So are you recommending we just pass on all future second round picks? I notice the Spurs have had some luck with second round picks.

            If other NBA teams are asking for them in deals – they have value.

            • Heisenberg

              The vast majority of second round picks become role players at best. Some never even step on an NBA court.

              Maybe one will actually turn into something in a draft. Not exactly the best odds.

              • LBJ

                Yes, that is true. But there is always the chance for a Lance Stephenson – or a Manu Ginobili.
                Plus, it does not cost you a guaranteed contract – which is why early second round picks are preferable to first round picks of the Heat.

              • Pickles1731

                I agree with this statement, but only in THIS draft. With the first round oozing with talent there will be probably 5-7 2nd rounders that make an impact. Heck, the 76ers have 9 second round picks this year. I wouldn’t be surprised if they get 2 solid rotation players in that round.
                Any other year though, 2nd rounders are pretty much useless with only one guy (Ginobili, Stephenson, C.Parsons) actually panning out.

      • Thomas

        Wake up. This is a dead team. No one wants to play here, we have Connely and Josh, we have Brian Shaw who has absolutely no idea what coaching is like. We have no top echelon players. Ty can’t play D and is not a top 8 PG in this league. Gallo is just average and is not going to get better with age. Chandler doesn’t give a rats a$$ about winning. JJ is one of the worst signings ever. Foye is a limited, journeyman of a player. Faried’s energy is not worth much with this group.

        After being a fan for 20+ years, I gave up watching early this season as the writing was on the wall. It’s not the losing, it’s the quality of the product they put on the court – it’s awful.

        No amount of cap space will change the lack of IQ in the front office and lack of coaching acumen on the bench.

        • Heisenberg

          Gallo’s average? That’s news to me.

          He’s not an all star by any means but he’s definitely an above average player.

          • Darian Williams

            say that when we see him back after almost 2 years without playing basketball and two knee surgeries. It will take a lot for him to stay above average

            • Heisenberg

              He’s only had one knee surgery.

              We don’t know how good he’ll be, every athlete is different. Could come back like Peterson or could be done. He certainly was above average before he got hurt.

              • Darian Williams

                Pretty sure it was two. One for the torn meniscus and the second ACL reconstructive surgery

              • Heisenberg

                Looks like I misread.

                I wouldn’t mind seeing them trade Gallo but I’d also like to see what he has in the tank.

        • Sharkboy242

          Dude we’re tanking the rest of this season. Deal with it.

  • Curtis

    Terrible. I know we got rid of Miller but this is junk. They better come through by the end of the day on something worth a crap. *sigh*

  • Furious_Stylez

    The best thing about Vesely is his girlfriend. If you remember his draft, they spent twice as much camera time on his hot model girlfriend as they did on him. If she even attends one game in Denver, this deal was a win for Denver.

    Everyone will claim second round picks are valuable, but this ain’t the NFL. In the NBA, the majority of them take years to develop and usually get cut/traded before making an impact. There are exceptions, but not many.

    Hamilton was a goner anyway after this year, so the Udrih deal is pretty good. This team can at least put a semi capable PG on the floor and keep Lawson out until he’s 100% (and limit his minutes for the rest of the season).

    Not the greatest deals ever, but the Nuggs waited too long and didn’t have much to work with (Connolly Fail).

    • Andrew

      Ha! I was thinking the same thing about his girlfriend. Welcome, Vesely!
      Also agree it has been a Connelly fail. The upside is that the Nuggets may pick up a few more balls in the lottery.
      We need a star in the draft and then for Gallo, Geezy and Ty to come back healthy and playing well next year. We’ll see.

  • steve

    Aaron Brooks to Denver for Jordan hamilton! we finally get a PG lol

    • Thomas

      Watch as Jordan Hamilton flourishes into a solid player elsewhere.

      • Darian Williams

        just like Afflalo

        • gimpcom187

          afflalo developed here fine. His true shooting percentage is almost identical to his last season in denver (granted with an uptick in usage which is impressive) and his 3 pt percentage is similar to the aggregate of his last 3 years in denver.

          He’s fallen back to earth the last 2 months on a team where the opponent often only plays serious defense for 15-20 minutes a game because it is often a double digit lead by halftime.

          • Darian Williams

            He’s still developing though and thats worth something. Imagine where he would be if he was on a semi-good team. I’d say he’s better than chandler

      • LBJ

        Good situation for J Ham. All he needs to do is shoot from the perimeter – and no need to really play any defense.

    • LBJ

      More flotsam

      • Cullen

        They are trades that give us help for the season. And getting Miller was an obvious move. Sure, it should have happened earlier… but what would you be doing to improve the team? So tired of criticism. If you were GM, what would you be doing?

        • Darian Williams

          why try to save the season at this point? ty is out and nate is out. whats the point of getting the 8th seed, losing in the first round, and getting a shitty pick?

          • Cullen

            By your logic 27 teams should tank every season because they aren’t competitive for a championship. That is a horrible model for competition and basketball.

            • Darian Williams

              Teams don’t tank if they have a chance of getting into the playoffs and doing well. Not everyone loses first round. Successful teams can bring in free agents better than losing teams. We would lose first round though and that is why it is not worth it to go for the 8th seed.

            • LBJ

              Tanking doesn’t work every year, but this year’s draft class makes it worthwhile.

              This is why 7 teams (at least) are clearly tanking. Lakers and 76ers managed to get even worse at the deadline. We need to start losing and maybe catch NO or Boston.

            • hockeystick41

              It is basically what happens every year though. How man teams do you think have a legitimate chance to win a championship this year? Indy, Miami, San Antonio, OKC, LAC, maybe a couple more teams.

        • LBJ

          There is nothing that can be done to improve the nuggets for the rest of this year – other than lose as many games as possible.

        • Nugman

          Did the FO sign Shaw and JJ so we could tank? They’re geniuses!!!

  • Heisenberg

    Pretty surprised they were able to move Miller.

    Hopefully Hickson is next.

    • Ryan

      You would have a hard time trading Hickson for a moldy ham sandwich…

      • LBJ

        Plus, we would have to throw in our first round pick too!

  • etlord1

    Vesely didn’t get much playing time in Washington to begin with. I actually think he would be an upgrade over Hickson. 7’0″ and can jump out of the gym. Even if he doesn’t work out, we still did fairly well in this deal.

    • LBJ

      I watched the game he played against the nuggets (Nene was out with a hangnail) and he was a total stiff. He scored 2 (against our vaunted front line defense) in 20 minutes.

      • etlord1

        I remember that. Offensively, he’s a dud, but Miller wasn’t going to play anyway. Vesely is a free agent after this year, so he’s on the way out if he doesn’t perform.

  • Pickles1731

    This trade is eh….whatever. As long as we can secure a top 7-8 draft pick I don’t really think any trades are helping/hurting us at this point. Our team can only gain superstars through the draft and then hope to go from there.

  • Sharkboy242

    The real question is how good is his defense? He can’t possible be a worse defender than Faried right?

    • LBJ

      It’s possible. He could be Faried – without the shot blocking ability.

  • Kevin Flinn

    You all know that we don’t get Maynor right? We traded Andre Miller & a second round pick for Jan Vesely. We also traded an athletic wingman that still has quiet a bit of potential (Hamilton) for Aaron Brooks, he is completely broken down & useless now. LOL WTF ARE THE NUGGETS DOING????

    • Pickles1731

      Miller hates us and Hamilton was a streaky shooter who was one of our most inconsistent players. If the Rockets really do plan on giving him serious minutes in the playoffs then they are in a world of hurt. The players we got back were not great, but at least Vesely has some upside. I don’t see why we had to give up a 2nd rounder though. THAT was stupid.

      • LBJ

        Vesely’s upside consists of an expiring contract – and a hot girl friend.

      • Heisenberg

        Vesely probably won’t turn into anything.

        They did this to get his expiring contract.

    • Heisenberg

      We’re lucky to get anything for Andre Miller…..

      I do agree about the Hamilton deal but he was a FA anyway so he probably wouldn’t be coming back.

    • steve

      Andre was never going to see the court again in Denver. Between this and next, i think we save 4 million. JHAM was never going to return also since hes a FA and we wouldnt have brought him back. I dont think brooks is broken at all. I’ve watched him play some this year, he was fine. He went 9 ppg 3 assists in 21 min in the month of Dec or whatever when bev was out.

      • LBJ

        We could have made the J Ham for Brooks deal a week ago.

    • LBJ

      We are tanking, baby!!!

  • Kevin Flinn

    If I ever get rich, I promise to buy the Nuggets & make them a good team.

    • etlord1

      Too bad the NBA is a monarchy in terms of ownership. I wish it was like Green Bay. The residents own the team, and the owners and GM’s can have term limits. The residents can then vote for the next owner and GM.

  • Darian Williams

    Couldn’t we have just released Miller, picked up some random PG out of the D-league or off the street and kept our 2nd round pick? We don’t need another center when all Shaw does is start JJ 24/7. I understand tanking but being stupid is a totally different thing. I bet we could have gotten rid of JJ with two 2nd round picks and miller.. maybe throw in hamilton too

    • LBJ

      Totally agree. Andre should have been waived.
      The last thing we need is another PF.

    • Bryan

      They traded for Vessely because he’s an expiring contract. Miller was under contract next year.

      If they released him they would have to put him on waivers and would be paying part of his salary while he played for another team. With this move the Nuggets will free up cap space and roster spots next year.

      • Darian Williams

        Cool, let them free up cap space, but its a tiny contract and it was only partially guaranteed next year. If they wanted to free up cap space they could have done everything in their power to get rid of hickson or mcgee. Thats real cap space relief

    • hockeystick41

      That would have cost more believe it or not.

      • Darian Williams

        How so? we’d probably have to pay miller 6 million or so if we waived him. drop mcgee we save 22mil. drop JJ we save 10mil.

  • Old Timer

    The sad thing is the front office is giving away a future draft pick and bringing in veterans with no upside (the ship has sailed on Vesley, if I remember correctly, he almost became the first player to have more fouls than points last season) for what? Try to salvage the season? What is the goal here? They should have been working to dump Hickson’s awful contract. That is how you save money. They could have bought Miller out and saved nearly as much money as they did in this deal without giving up the draft pick.

    • LBJ

      That would require a front office that is not totally clueless.

      Remember these are the “experts” that gave JJ his contract!

    • Bryan

      Are you seriously complaining about the Nuggets giving up a 2nd round pick in 2016 and getting an expiring contract along with getting rid of cry baby Miller? Considering Miller let it be known that he had no interest in being here that’s a pretty good deal for the Nuggets.

      • LBJ

        Andre had no interest in playing for Shaw – who benched him while we were getting destroyed at home by the worst team in the NBA.

        • Bryan

          Yeah, which makes getting anything for him a good job by the front office. And Miller was never happy in the midst of a winning streak last year he was complaining about not playing more.

      • Old Timer

        My biggest issue is not necessarily giving away the second round pick, although I do not like it, the front office and ownership is completely tone deaf to the situation the team is in. They are not making the playoffs, but they are making moves to improve the team right now when finishing 10th instead of 12th is not what this team needs for the long run. They dumped assets, Hamilton and a 2nd round pick, for a washed up, Brooks, and a never was, Vesley, non-assets.

        McGee is out for the season, Gallo is out for the season, they are killing Lawson and now they want to tinker around the edges to make the team more competitive right now?

        Everything they have done since Iggy, Karl and Masai left town was to cling to this season in desperation to prove themselves and they are making ridiculous decisions thinking of themselves and their reputation instead of what is best for the team going forward.

        • Bryan

          I’m curious as to how you think adding Veesely is a move to improve the team? He’s another four and he’s a very limited offensive game.

          • hockeystick41

            And he is over the hill at 23

  • Aaron Durkin

    I agree this was a best case trade.

  • Aaron Durkin

    Wow this is a depressing group on this board. I think people forget that this team won the most games in the history of the franchise last year and if Gallo does not get hurt we make a serious run. Next year we go into the season with a healthy team and hopefully we can flip Hickson and a firstround pick for something serviceable. Building threw the draft in the NBA is the kiss of death for a franchise. That is why the same teams are terrible every year. Look at teams like Cleveland with a “ top player “ in Irving and the dumpster fire that surrounds that franchise and there last 7 “lottery picks”. The same can be said for Detroit, Utah, and Sacramento we need to flip what is considered a hot community for something of real value a good NBA player!!

    • Pickles1731

      Building through the draft in the NBA is not a kiss of death, it is the only option for small market teams like us. 3 of the top 4 teams in the NBA this year (OKC, IND, and SA) are all in small markets and they got all of their best players in the draft. INDY drafted Paul George, Hibbert and Stephenson. SA drafted Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, and Leonard. OKC drafted KD, Westbrook, and Ibaka. The Nuggets are never getting guys like LBJ, KD, CP3, Dwight, Harden, or Westbrook unless we draft them.

      • Aaron Durkin

        The only example of a team that is small market that built through the draft was San Antonio and Duncan fell in their lap. Indiana did draft two of their top three players (saying Hibbert is one of
        their best players is a huge stretch) west being the third and they brought him and the majority of the rest of their team in through free agency. OKC is a great example of getting players to buy into a championship team in a crap market. According to every ones star player idea all of those players should have left OKC for a bigger market already. There is less than a 5% chance that
        a player taken in the first 5 picks will become a all star. That is leveraging losing for years for a 5% chance that you might draft Keven Love who has made it to 0 playoff games. That is a terrible way to run a franchise you need to use things like picks to leverage trades to bring in proven talent ala Iggy or the hoard of players we got in the Melo trade. That is what top GMs do. Do you actually think Danny Ange is going to use any of his picks. No he is going to trade them for talented players to crappy teams who will draft players who take years to develop.

        • Heisenberg

          This isn’t a typical draft. Some of these guys look like legitimate franchise cornerstones. I think Joel Embiid could be an amazing player if he stays in school for an additional year.

          Iggy is a decent player, so are the guys Denver got back from the Melo deal but none of them are guys that can lead a team to a championship. You can’t win a title without a superstar. The only way Denver is going to get that guy is by drafting him.

          It’s much easier to get surrounding talent than it is to get a superstar. The long term goal for every NBA team is (or should be) to win a Championship so why not tank for a year or two and get some assets (hopefully a franchise player)? Teams in the 6-8 seeds usually don’t win their playoff seeds anyway so it is almost always better to miss and get a lottery pick than make the playoffs for a first round exit.

    • Andrew

      Seriously depressing group. Hey, all the doomsayers out there go back out to the concourse and get ready for armageddon. The fun people are up in the suite with Vesely and his girlfriend…oh, look, she brought a bunch of her model friends! Ha ha. Lighten up everyone. To paraphrase an old saying “if tanking is inevitable, you might as well sit back and enjoy it”.

  • Fred

    Wizards fan here.
    FWIW, Vesely’s not a COMPLETE stiff. He’s perhaps the worst shooter in the entire NBA, and he’s too weak to be an effective post defender, but he’s actually a pretty good team defender, and he’s high energy as heck.

    I don’t know much about your team, but if you run a lot, he’s a hell of a finisher on the break (if useless in the halfcourt).

    On the right team, I think he could absolutely be a guy who can give you 10-15 minutes a night of frenetic energy, rebounds, fastbreak dunks and hands in passing lanes.

    I think he could be Chris Andersen if all broke right for him.

    • LBJ

      A poor post defender – sounds like he will fit right in!

      I’m also impressed by his FT shooting – 27% and 31% over the last 2 years. That fits in well with our roster also.

      • Darian Williams

        I hope he doesn’t even play. He most likely won’t. Where are the minutes for him?

        • Darian Williams

          well i guess since we’re tanking he can play all the time

      • Fred

        Yeah, he’s an AWFUL shooter. It’s weird though, because he’s actually a pretty nifty passer, and has good hands around the rim. On alley-oops, if you throw it up near the rim, he’ll generally collect and finish, even on high degree of difficulty plays. He just can’t shoot worth a like, and it REALLY hamstrings the offense in the halfcourt.
        He’s foul prone and weak, but he’s a good enough defender at the 4 spot that he could handle all but the most physical frontcourts and generally be a plus defender.
        He’s just SUCH a bad shooter that you’re playing 4 on 5 at that end of the court.

  • Lukas Kuba

    twitter.com/Luke_Mellow — follow the latest Jan Vesely news; his dad says Jan’s looking forward to play for the Nuggets; Jan got a call about the trade from Nugs Front Office already

  • Paul Griggs

    Wow, don’t know Brooks but I’m not sure that these moves make any sense now or for the future. Are we someone opening up cap room?

    • ryanvdonk

      brooks is actually a decent player, but went out of favor after playing in china during the lockout. think taller nate with a better shot and less hops. he’s also from seattle like nate.

  • Nugman

    How can one organization sign Shaw, Connelly and JJ all in the same offseason? It’s amazing! I’m not sure we could’ve done any worse if we tried

  • slugdugg