Rapid Reaction: Minnesota Timberwolves 132 – Denver Nuggets 128

Ty’s back! And that was a legitimately fun game, so there’s something.

Minnesota Timberwolves 132 FinalRecap | Box Score 128 Denver Nuggets
Kenneth Faried, PF 32 MIN | 9-11 FG | 3-5 FT | 8 REB | 0 AST | 3 STL | 1 BLK | 1 TO | 21 PTS | +15

Faried’s match ups with Love are always interesting. Love is likely the single hardest cover for Faried in the entire league, he struggles with stretch fours regardless but when you throw in a similar work ethic around the boards and a savviness in the pick and roll you have a disastrous matchup brewing. But Faried’s offense also seems to benefit from battling with Love, and while not quite matching Love’s impact, he did a good enough job to mitigate his mistakes on defense.

Wilson Chandler, SF 38 MIN | 11-22 FG | 1-3 FT | 10 REB | 2 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 3 TO | 25 PTS | +8

Chandler had an erratic shooting night but those two threes towards the end of the game were obviously huge. The 10 rebounds were a nice touch as well but the defense – and this will be a running theme here – was lacking.

Timofey Mozgov, C 10 MIN | 2-3 FG | 0-1 FT | 3 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 0 TO | 4 PTS | -2

I can already tell people are going to be complaining about Minnesota’s ridiculous number of free throw attempts but consider 1) how many they purposefully took at the end of the game and 2) how many dumb fouls Denver committed. Mozgov was a prime example, he was out of position for nearly all 10 minutes he was on the court and in lieu of playing defense, he fouled. That’s what poor defensive teams do.

Ty Lawson, PG 40 MIN | 11-16 FG | 6-7 FT | 4 REB | 11 AST | 4 STL | 0 BLK | 4 TO | 31 PTS | +8

Man, I’ve missed watching Ty Lawson play basketball. He doesn’t do much in the way of helping the defense any but he damn sure makes the offense click again. It’s amazing what happens when you give a decapitated chicken its head back. As long as Ty’s healthy the Nuggets might not be good, but they’ll at least be watchable again.

Randy Foye, SG 43 MIN | 8-16 FG | 2-3 FT | 4 REB | 3 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 4 TO | 22 PTS | +4

The ripple effects of Lawson’s return spread far, and Foye not having to be the primary ball handler anymore is a boon to his offensive game. Now he can just do what he does best, curling off flare screens and letting it fly from deep.

Darrell Arthur, PF 14 MIN | 2-5 FG | 1-1 FT | 2 REB | 2 AST | 0 STL | 2 BLK | 1 TO | 5 PTS | -17

The jumper seems to be coming back which is good but he looked understandably lost in the utter chaos of Denver’s defense in this game. He’d be hedging on a pick and roll, and when the ball handler got past him, the help was never there.

J.J. Hickson, C 27 MIN | 2-7 FG | 1-3 FT | 7 REB | 2 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 5 PTS | -19

Hickson had the same issue except Minnesota was targeting him in the pick and roll so it was amplified. Hickson just can’t blitz the pick and roll, he’s too slow to recover. He’s essentially a turnstile that jumps at you aggressively, but accommodates your passing with a wink and a wave.

Aaron Brooks, PG 18 MIN | 3-9 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 2 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 8 PTS | 0

Seeing him run the floor with Lawson and spot up behind the line in fast breaks was fun. Seeing him do anything else was not so fun.

Evan Fournier, SG 14 MIN | 1-5 FG | 2-2 FT | 0 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 5 PTS | -16T

his was a rough one for Evan. He’s getting playing time out of necessity but his growth has been erratic at best. Maybe he can be a productive role player in the league one day, it just seems less and less likely he’ll ever be one for the Nuggets.

Brian Shaw

Funny how much better things look when a borderline All Star returns to the lineup. Coaches in the NBA tend to get too much credit and blame, this is a player’s league, and there are only a select few who have a comparable impact to even the third or fourth best player on a team. Still, Shaw worked his timeouts and bent the clock to his favor towards the end of this game and gave Denver every chance to pull out a miracle comeback.

Three Things We Saw

  1. The defense is getting annoying to watch. The bigs are blitzing the ball handler in the pick and roll but they’re never impeding his progress, basically the whole point of blitzing, and the middle of the floor is wide open. If that’s going to be your defensive scheme your bigs better be fast and aware enough to hedge and recover to their man (Denver’s aren’t) and your rotations have got to be crisp (Denver’s are nonexistent, outside of the occasional foul).
  2. Watching the Knicks’ flounder in despair is half fun ( because, hey, it’s the Knicks) but also half depressing. Denver had the perfect season all set up. They could’ve made a run at the playoffs, had a couple fun games, built confidence in the new regime, and even after losing in the first round, still have a tank-worthy pick in the loaded draft from New York. This was the year they could’ve indulged in all the fun of being a borderline playoff team without having to endure any of the consequences. This was the year they didn’t have to tank. Ah well.
  3. 9,849,600 seconds until draft day.
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David Walker

Freshman at FSU. Love the Nuggets, the beach, and the game that involves a ball that occasionally goes into the hoop.
  • googergieger

    64 FREE THROWS. WOW!

  • Sharkboy242

    Nuggets lose and the Knicks lose… Now all we need is for LA and SAC to win and it will be a perfect tanking night

    • Darian Williams

      too bad the Pelicans are tanking too

      • Sharkboy242

        Yeah it really irks me how high we are in the standings despite our horrid play. So many crappy teams.

  • Richard Pesicka

    TACOS..YAY

  • Tyler

    Can’t be disappointed with this L. Fun game. It’s really nice to know this team is still capable to score 120+ points with the current roster and unsuccessful season thus far. Of course, you can thank Ty Lawson and opposing team defenses for that (GS, BOS, LA, ORL, DET, SAC)

  • alex47666

    the nuggets are now in the lotto

  • Nugman

    Wow! What a game! I just love watching the Nuggets lose. It’s so much fun. I especially like it when they trail by 15-20 most of the game. Just can’t take my eyes off it. And what about all that great D! Give up 66 in the first half and 128 for the game. All those great defensive schemes Shaw is running are amazing. It’s too bad he doesn’t have the right players to execute it. That bunch of super athletic 20 something’s just simply aren’t capable of running Shaws genius defense.

    And what about all those great offensive sets Shaw has them running in the half court…amazing! All those wide open looks and easy finishes in the paint. It’s just unbelievable. Shaw would be coach of the year if he had the right players. He should’ve gotten an A tonight, David.

    With Ty, Will and DA back the Nuggets almost have the team back that played most of the year. That was the team that was looking like a playoff contender early in the season and winning games. Of course, 60 games into the season they have learned so much from the coach that they can’t win anymore. But it will be great next year when Shaw turns that switch and starts coaching to win. He’ll motivate the players, coach that tough D and run those great half court sets.

    • Sharkboy242

      Tell us how you really feel.

      • Darian Williams

        is this all sarcasm? lol

    • PGWARNER

      Best comment on this site all season!

    • The Truth

      I know its hard for the GK congregation to go through this, not used to big picture happenings and all. Will Shaw get a chance to learn from his mistakes – is that the question? Probably so, if they play .350 ball while the other first year coaches fall back.

      Shaw’s D requires smarts more than hops. But for him to do the same thing over and over and expect a different result is insane at the worst, and shows a lack of flexibility in the least. He won’t give up on them or his “system” though, that’s one good (or bad) thing.

      Same team that played all year without Nate? Na, not close. Mozzy and Evan declining while hacking up the joint Shaw’s fault too? Likely. At least they were in a position to decline.

  • Nugman

    Minnesota scored its season high of 128 points against the Nuggets tonight. The 20th NBA team to have its season high against the Nuggets this year. Some people might think that reflects bad on the coach, but we all know Shaw coaches great defense. He just doesn’t have players capable of executing it.

    • Pickles1731

      I completely agree. People get on him a ton for being terrible, but Hickson, Faried, and Foye (heck even Ty) are nowhere near what Hibbert, West, and Stephenson are defensively. If he had guys that cared more about defense and playing hard rather than “stats” guys, then who knows what he could do. Our best defender had a major achilles injury two years ago and has missed half our games this season.
      He inherited a run and gun offensive minded team and has players who play with that philosophy.
      Trade some guys for defensive-minded studs and build around Lawson. He may not be great on D, but he creates so much on offense that he can help carry you on that end (like Conley in Memphis).

      • gimpcom187

        ummm Conley is one of the top 5 defensive point guards in the league. Your comment was ambiguous on whether you were comparing them just on offense. I think that is a fair comparison on offense as neither should be the main option on a championship caliber offense and preferably they are the 3rd or tied for second option.

    • slugdugg

      Where did you pull this info on 20 teams having season highs against us? That’s a great stat… and totally frightening.

  • heykyleinsf

    Ty being back alone made this a sweet night.
    IDK what some people want.
    We’re out of the playoffs.. we played great
    yeah defense sucked but still…
    considering everything..
    The effort was everything in the 4th.
    That’s what I want.. spirit and pride.

    All you whiners.. just go.
    You’re never happy any way.

    • gimpcom187

      By great you mean the Timberwolves were winning by double digits for a significant portion of the game and then did their nightly swan dive in the 4th quarter to let the nugs pretend like they had a chance to win?

      Granted at this point it is groundhog day. The issue is the nugs don’t have young talent to look at losses and see potential development into a successful team. Couple that with a team that 10 months ago was very strong and probably one semi-star big man (Pau Gasol?) from making some noise in the West and the fanbase is appropriately disgruntled. (Not to mention they would have been still adding the knicks pick to that roster)

      It’s been a horrible year, this stretch over the last 3-4 weeks being the worst of the year. Hopefully they get a good player in the draft and can couple them with Ty and Gallo can return to a very good player by 2015-16, but everything else on the roster is just flotsam. The hope is to add a true star in the draft, get another decent player in next years draft as they probably are out of the playoffs again and don’t take on any salary. If they get a guy who is developing into a top 10ish to 20ish type player in this draft with Ty and healthy Gallo they are 1 borderline all-star and 2 other nice players from making a real run. If they get a scoring type in this draft I would consider going after Asik too.

  • Scott

    Ty breaking Corey’s ankles >>>>

  • Aaron Durkin

    Finally some one said it… This season was set up perfict for the nuggets to have a good team, make a run, then get a great pick. Instead we have a coach who has made every player on the roster sans Ty worse and does nothing but call them out publicly. Not a good start at all to the new regime…. Pepole forget that this same team won a ton of games last year.

    • Cory

      We got tons worse on defense and we have two farieds instead of one. Mozgov has been shaky doing good and now doing bad. Lawson hurt, Nate hurt, Gallo still hurt, Chandler hurt. C’mon dude not the same roster so not the same team. New coach which isn’t the blame for this teams deficiencies .

    • Bryan

      This isn’t the same team. The Nuggets best defender went to GS and arguably its second best defender is missing the entire season with an injured ACL. Also, it’s best rim protector is going to miss basically the whole season.

      Nobody that predicted the Nuggets making the playoffs anticipated Gallo missing the entire season, McGee missing most of the season, Lawson missing a significant amount of games, or Robinson getting injured and being out for over half the season.

      • gimpcom187

        laughable to call mcgee a “rim protector” He’s a shot block hunter amongst the worst at affecting opponent fg% for anyone over 7 ft in the league. The defense was better with him OFF the floor last year. Also, the opponent FG% at the rim was better with him OFF the floor. And that’s comparing him to Koufus the doufus who was average at best in those areas.

        Now I will give you a lot of people predicted this team would flop or have a good shot of not making the playoffs (I got crushed on here as a pessimist all October and November). But that was about understanding this team downgraded at the coaching position and the depth of the West (I assummed Phx and Minnesota would be flipped though)

        Lots of people predicted them making the playoffs. Indicating the majority of people think otherwise is silly.

        http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9560974/2013-summer-forecast-west-standings

        http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1713891-full-win-loss-predictions-for-each-nba-team-in-2013-14-post-free-agency-edition/page/5

        http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nba/news/20131021/nba-power-rankings-preseason-miami-heat/index.html

        http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nba/news/20131019/nba-northwest-division-preview-oklahoma-city-thunder/

        • Bryan

          I said McGee was the Nuggets best rim protector which he is…unless you care to dispute that point by providing an alternative.

          Also, I said nobody that predicted the Nuggets would make the playoffs anticipated Gallo being out for the whole season, McGee missing most of the season, Nate Robinson being out for most of the season, or Lawson missing significant amounts of time.

          I’ll admit I didn’t look at all of your links but I didn’t see one that said “the Nuggets are so deep and amazing that they don’t even need Gallo, Robinson, McGee, or Lawson, and can afford to play Foye at PG and still make the playoffs!”

          It would be helpful if you read what I actually wrote before arguing against it.

          • gimpcom187

            Mozgov as hes the only average guy on the roster. Mcgee isnt a good rim protector so what would be the point of calling him the best even jf he was. Prigioni is the best italian pg in the nba. True but he still is a mediocre backup at best.

            No one predicts injuries. The spurs have had guys out for prolonged periods of time and seem to be doing ok. okc too. Memphis. Etc etc. Gallo never had a report on when he might come back so in fact it was probable he wasnt coming back before january and needs 1-2 months to get back to normal. That was factored in. The links you didnt have interest in looking at ALL predicted nugs in playoffs.

            • Bryan

              The statistics don’t bear out your claim that Mozgov is a better rim protector.

              For their careers, McGee averages 1.9 BPG Mozgov just 0.8. This season Mozgov has been blocking 1.2 this season while an injured McGee was blocking 1.4

              McGee may not be an elite rim protector but he is the Nuggets best rim protector and he’s certainly better than JJ Hickson a PF, playing center. Since Hickson is not even close to being a threat defensively at center. Losing him matters.

              You’re also either lying or ignorant about Gallo. The initial expectation was that Gallo would be back by February. But in June, Benjamin Hocman posted an article indicating that Gallo was making good progress and could be back by December.

              http://www.denverpost.com/ci_23463979/nuggets-danilo-gallinari-might-return-sooner-than-expected

              I’m now pretty sure you’re just an angry George Karl apologist that is bitter about him being fired and just looking for excuses to bash Shaw to the point that you’re ignoring reality.

              GK apologist logic toward GK: Gall is so important to the Nuggets that he would have completely turned around the GS series.

              GK apologists logic toward Shaw: Gallo being out is not an excuse for Shaw not having this team just as good as last year.

              • gimpcom187

                OK, so for mocking you would want to NOT put that much text in quotes as it indicates you are not mocking, but are indeed quoting. If you want to mock quote you can use a couple of words max. This is besides the fact that you mocking me is like an ostrich stalking a lion but whatever.

                Blocks I already wrote about them not being a good stat for rim protection especially for a guy like Mcgee who is beyond horrible at EVERYTHING else about rim protection besides blocks (foot work, spacing, baiting opponents into attempts by appearing out of reach, and most importantly defensive rebounds). Rim protection includes affecting shots as shown by low at the rim percentage for opponents like Marc Gasol and Hibbert have. I don’t subscribe to SportsVu but that is where you would get stats like that. Also, 1 vs. 1 defense is extremely valuable and not taken into account by blocks significantly. PnR is valuable in that as well. If you mean he is the team’s best shot blocker then say that but rim protector is a more nuanced and important description.

                Allen Iverson led the league in steals one year. Is that enough to suggest he was the best perimeter defender in the league or even above average. Of course not as he was universally considered a poor defender by scouts and coaches who steal hunted and played mediocre 1 vs. 1 defense and poor PnR defense. Steals and Blocks are stats that aren’t very descriptive of value in defensive schemes in the current NBA. You can probably discern 20-30% (just an off the top guess to illustrate its not very valuable)of value from those stats for a player. My stats of comparing defense on and off is not perfect. Sportvu has better stats but it is 10 times better at discerning defensive value and in this case rim protection than blocks. If you can’t see that oh well.

                On that note stats.nba indicate that the denver defense is 4 points better with Mozgov on the court this year (as indicated previously Mcgee’s numbers suggest the team is WORSE with him on the court).

                PS I LOVED your rather ironic use of myopic to describe me given you are the one who clearly refuses to read statements or articles that counter yours. Self-mocking unintentionally is an impressive feat. Kudos.

                On that note I like how you ignored the clear connection of a good defensive coach in Charlotte with talent really no better than the nugs current talent getting to 6th while the nugs have gone backwards. Look the three things a coach can have the greatest affect on a team are: Offensive output, defensive output and team cohesion. There are other little things but those are the three main with Offense defense being quantifiable. Great coaches affect all 3 significantly (Poppovich, Phil Jackson) Very good coaches affect 2 (Doc Rivers (defense and team cohesion), Karl (offense and team cohesion),

                We don’t say Gallo loss is insignificant. Its just that losing 20-25 games in the Win column is a CRAZY number (They had better health last season, but Chandler was out for 39 games, Ty lost 9 games Gallo was out 11 games) If you understand overall defensive value Hickson is not significantly worse than Mcgee (again both are bad)

                Your diatribe on gallo supports me more than you. By September/October it was clear that Gallo’s return was uncertain. There was no real new news leading up to training camp and he wasn’t doing significant basketball activity. It left the HOPE he would be back between late December and February. No one Knew, but prognosticators aren’t going to assume he will be back by december based on a June report. Most of the people on this site were staying Late January to February hopefully.

              • Bryan

                If you have blocked a shot you’ve protected the rim. The stats clearly demonstrate that McGee is the Nuggets best rim protector.

                There was no diatribe about Gallo, you claimed that there were no articles discussing his return. I easily found one which indicated he could be back early.

                Hickson is a PF and as such significantly worse at the center position than McGee. Part of the reason for the Nuggets “CRAZY” amount of losses is people like Hickson playing out of position.

                The Nuggets don’t have comparable talent to Charlotte, especially with the injuries. Starting Foye at PG and Hickson at Center, along with Q.Miller at SG is not as good as the Charlotte starting 5.

                Be serious.

              • gimpcom187

                you’re stuck on this blocked shot thing. You think there are two true outcomes to shots in the paint: shot that is hit/shot that is blocked and the defender has no other role beyond that I guess. It’s not like FIP in baseball. Defenders have great value at creating harder shots as evidenced by opponent FG percentage in different areas. Advanced statistics run extremely counter to your thoughts as do scouts/coaches. Nothing I can do about that I guess.

                Charlotte was a far inferior team last year and given strength of schedule are probably even at best this year given the nugs have had more injuries. Foye started at PG for 10 games or something. They were below .500 before that. The nuggets have been in the 18 to 24 spot on defense essentially all season after that 8 game winning streak.

                You easily found ONE article from 5 months prior to the season suggesting they HOPE he would be back by then. No doctors quotes or anything definitive from the team in those quotes. conjecture. As you should not see anything until a player is a few weeks from returning to basketball activities it makes sense. People went into the season thinking January at the earliest with serious potential for longer than that. Like I said previously.

              • Bryan

                I’m harping on blocked shots because it’s not only an effective means of protecting the rim, in that it prevents the ball from going in but also because of the intimidation factor. Many players in the NBA will become timid and not attack the rim as aggressively after they’ve had their shot blocked. This has happened to Ty Lawson on numerous occasions.

                Also, nothing you have said disproves that McGee is the Nuggets best rim protector. You could actually post the statistics that support your claim.

                Why are you talking about Charlotte’s team last year? Charlotte has more talent than the injury depleted Nuggets. Are you really going to argue Quincy Miller would ever start for Charlotte.

                I never claimed the defense was good. I merely pointed out the Nuggets defensive ranking under Karl (before Iggy) and those numbers are in line with where the D is now.

                All that demonstrates is that if you added an elite level defender to the team the D would improve, regardless of who the coach is.

                You claimed there were no articles about Gallo returning this season, all I needed to do was post one article to disprove that assertion.

      • Aaron Durkin

        I understand that injurys have played a huge role in this lost season… That being said the fact that the team does not play hard and seems lost about 90% of the time is on the coach. Teams like Chicago, Protland and Phoenix have been able to survive and thrive with a plethera of injurys. I just have a huge issue with a coaching style of shoving your style down the throats of your team regardless if it makes the team and the players suck. I mean what on earth are they doing on D…..

        • Bryan

          The D was going to decline regardless of the scheme after losing Iggy. He may be a disloyal traitor but he’s an excellent defender—the best the Nuggets have had in a long time.

          Also, I think you first point leads into the second one more than coaching. Unless you can explain to me what sort of scheme in the NBA can be successful if the players have no heart and aren’t putting in any effort?

  • disqus_Zof8sHWvOp

    50% from the field is a erratic shooting night

  • Nugman

    With Ty and Will back this is almost the same team that was winning games early in the season. That team would’ve handled the Wolves pretty easy at that time. But after 60 games of great coaching that team no longer exists. Now David, and the rest of us, are happy when the Nuggets make it close at the end with a flurry of 3s and missed FTs by the Wolves. We have really come a long ways this year. And Shaw almost pulled out a miracle victory with his genius use of timeouts and fouls. Amazing! I guess David forgot we trailed by 15-20 most of the game at home with Ty back. What about the great coaching for the other 45 minutes David? I know, Shaw is coaching to lose because we are tanking and he doesn’t have his type of players

    • keith

      Does anybody remember the last time Denver’s bigs put a hard foul on another player intentionally (Keyon Martin type foul)? At some point it has to be about your pride for your game and not allow layup after layup after DUNK!. The FT’s last night wasnt’ about making someone earn two but it was due to being out of position defense. Shaw can’t be blamed for 3 big men who can’t play one on one defense against anyone in the league, can’t rotate for help side support and overall don’t seem to be very intelligent basketball players (may be in smart in life).

      • gimpcom187

        sure he can because last year they were 11th in the league on defense and koufus was the equivalent of Mozgov. Mcgee and hickson are pretty similar in terms of defensive value especially the rotating.

        Look at what the Bobcats are doing with their squad. Of their top 6 minutes guys probably the best defender is Gerald henderson and their “rim protector” is Al Jefferson. That team is top 6 in defense in the league.

        • Aaron Durkin

          Hickson is no where near as good Mcgee. I think you forget the value he can bring even for short spirts. Hickson is bad 100% of the time. That being said Faried is now learning how to pad stats and play horrible D from the BEST overrated PF in the league. Look at how good Portland got when they got rid of Hickson. Like a 15 game switch

          • gimpcom187

            In 2012-2013 with Mcgee on the floor the nuggets were about 1 pt worse than with him on the floor. When JJ hickson was on the floor for portland last year they were about 1 point worse on defense. They both do one thing well on defense (Mcgee gets shot blocks and Hickson gets defensive rebounds) Otherwise they are fairly worthless. Stats suggest my understanding is more accurate than yours. This year Hickson has been worse, but it is easy to contend that is more about the coach as this team has been poor on defense and we have no data on Mcgee. (stats.nba.com Defensive rating of player and team on advanced stats is how you can compare)

            Portland added an above average defender in Robin Lopez. Not to mention Lillard was a rookie last year. And Portland has only moved up 8 spots in the rankings. You’re suggesting they win more because of their defense (which is slightly below average) when in fact it is their offense which is mostly the increase in value of LIllard and Matthews and Batum slightly.

            We aren’t asking if Hickson is good on defense (He isn’t) We’re asking if he is equal or close enough to Mcgee(He is) They both stink. Hence Shaw is not at a significant disadvantage in defensive value of big men as was clearly contended. I think people see the blocked shots and size and think Mcgee is about average on D. He is below average despite his amazing physical gifts because he thinks the game like an 8th grader.

        • Bryan

          The Nuggets being decent at defense (except for in the playoffs when Karl’s idiotic “switch everything scheme” was badly exposed.) last season was mostly a product of Andre Iguodola being on the team.

          Just losing him was inevitably going to lead to a decline in the defensive production.

          BRB, “losing one of the best defenders in the NBA is no excuse for a decline in defensive production. Totally unacceptable.”

          SMH

          • gimpcom187

            Umm where is that quote from. I cant imagine that was quoting me as I said the team has gone from top 3 offense and 11th defense to 21st defense and 21st offense. Nothing about that should be acceptable. Those are what we call facts. Welcome to reality bryan.

            But of course that wasnt even the point. The point was mcgee out is not an excuse. Because he isnt good on defense.

            • Bryan

              It wasn’t a quote it was mocking your for you myopic analysis.

              When you lose one of the best defenders in the entire NBA your defense is going to decline. The point is you’re completely glossing over that FACT to attack Shaw.

              • gimpcom187

                OK, so for mocking you would want to NOT put that much text in quotes as it indicates you are not mocking, but are indeed quoting. If you want to mock quote you can use a couple of words max. This is besides the fact that you mocking me is like an ostrich stalking a lion but whatever.

                Suffice to say of course losing Iggy and gallo would downgrade the defense. It implies he isn’t a good defensive coach though especially given you and others on this site indicated Karl was a BAD defensive coach. If Karl was bad and Shaw above average you would have thought minor downgrade. I think both are average and the downgrade in talent has justified this significant drop (11th to 21st) The problem is everything about the team is significantly worse.

              • Bryan

                The point was to create a caricature of your arguments. There is no text limit requirement. The fact that you didn’t get that I was mocking you speaks to the absurdity of your argument.

                In 2011-2012 the Nuggets ranked 19th and that was with Gallo.

                The Nuggets are about where they were before Iggy came along and vastly improved the Nuggets defense.

  • Richard Pesicka

    Could the Nuggets use this also? “This year, we all know it’s been a real tough year for us, right?” Bryant told Power 106, according to Lakersnation.com. “So what I’d like everybody to do is to really just sit back and just absorb this year. Take it all in. Sit back and watch and listen and hear all the hate that’s being thrown at us and remember every person that’s kicking you when you’re down, because next year it ain’t gonna be this way.

    • gimpcom187

      Nope cause bryant is delusional. They wont win another playoff series until his contract is done