Rapid Reaction: Denver Nuggets 110 -Los Angeles Clippers 100

In a sloppy, miss filled, physical game the Nuggets outlasted the Clippers 110-100. Denver got big performances late from Ty Lawson, Randy Foye and JJ Hickson to end the Clippers 11 game winning streak.

Grades are below the jump.

Los Angeles Clippers 100 Final

Recap | Box Score

110 Denver Nuggets
Kenneth Faried, PF 34 MIN | 6-14 FG | 6-7 FT | 16 REB | 2 AST | 1 STL | 1 BLK | 1 TO | 18 PTS | +5

Like he has all March, Faried battled and contributed another double-double. His energy kept Denver in the game throughout by giving them repeated extra chances on a night they shot very poorly. He also fought Blake Griffin for everything, making life extra hard on the already tired Clippers star.

Wilson Chandler, SF 33 MIN | 5-15 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 3 TO | 11 PTS | +8

Chandler scored just four points in the second half, all in transition, yet again disappearing in a game the Nuggets really needed him to play well. Unlike some nights where he has tough defensive matchups Chandler was responsible for Matt Barnes during most of his minutes so there really isn’t a good reason why he struggled so much offensively.

Timofey Mozgov, C 19 MIN | 4-10 FG | 7-7 FT | 9 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 15 PTS | -7

The 7/7 from the line was good. The 4/10 from the field is terrible for a guy who gets almost every shot within six to eight feet from the rim. It continues a 15 game trend of Mozgov shooting terribly from the field for a seven footer. The defense is nice but it is hard to get such poor production around the rim on a consistent basis. The Clippers also grabbed a ton of offensive rebounds so Mozgov is a part of that.

Ty Lawson, PG 38 MIN | 5-9 FG | 6-6 FT | 3 REB | 5 AST | 4 STL | 0 BLK | 6 TO | 19 PTS | +5

Lawson was great early on but faded a bit as the game went on. He also was torched by Chris Paul. Then he took over the last few minutes. It may be a case of minutes catching up to him but if he can keep the Nuggets close and take over games late things will work just fine.

Randy Foye, SG 29 MIN | 4-10 FG | 5-5 FT | 2 REB | 5 AST | 4 STL | 1 BLK | 1 TO | 14 PTS | +6

Foye just looks tired. His shot is off and has been for a while now, especially from three. For him to be his most effective he needs to make threes. But he made the biggest one tonight to put Denver up 7 with just over 2:30 left. It is another big shot for a guy who has made a few for Denver this year. Oh and that block in transition to seal the game was kind of nice.

Darrell Arthur, PF 13 MIN | 2-7 FG | 0-0 FT | 8 REB | 2 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 4 PTS | +4

Stop me if you have heard this one before. When Arthur makes his jumpers he and the Nuggets are much more effective. Tonight he didn’t and he actually even added missed layups. He did add eight rebounds which is uncommon for him.

Quincy Miller, SF 13 MIN | 0-3 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 0 TO | 0 PTS | +9

He is active defensively and plays hard every time he steps on the floor but it is time to stop having Quincy shoot threes. It just isn’t something he is capable of.

J.J. Hickson, C 30 MIN | 9-14 FG | 3-7 FT | 11 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 21 PTS | +20

Hickson continued his recent stretch of strong play off the bench pumping in another double-double and actually playing some pretty good defense on Blake Griffin when needed. He has actually been pretty good in his new role by bringing a ton of energy into games whenever he gets a chance.

Aaron Brooks, PG 17 MIN | 1-5 FG | 1-1 FT | 2 REB | 5 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 3 TO | 3 PTS | +2

Brooks played much better than the 1-5 shooting would make you believe. He found open shooters and slashers on his way to five assists and converted a big and-1 in the fourth quarter. He is a great guy to go to when Foye isn’t connecting from deep.

Evan Fournier, SG 14 MIN | 2-6 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 5 PTS | -2

Fournier played. Not well, not super poorly but he played.

Brian Shaw

Shaw kept his team in the game despite poor shooting, fouls breaking down any rhythm the game had and a few Clipper runs and managed to bring guys back in the fourth quarter at the perfect time leading to a 13-2 run that finished things off. It was another good night for him.

Two Things We Saw

  1. That was ugly, awful, and disjointed but the Nuggets still found a way to win and Shaw should get a lot of credit for it. The Nuggets have nothing at all to play for and yet Shaw has them playing hard and winning games like this. In the long run it may mean nothing or it may be a precursor to a lot of things. But for now, after watching Denver get blown out so often it was a good sign.
  2. Those throwback uniforms are great. Denver has a great collection of retro jerseys and it is a shame they don’t break them out more.

 

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  • heykyleinsf

    Already it looks like this season is going to end on a more positive note than last season. So many people writing Shaw and Faried off.. LOVE IT!!!

    • googergieger

      I’m still not entirely sold on Faried. While one wonders what this team would be like with McGee and Gallo, you still don’t know what his rotations would look like.

    • Dan Sivertson

      Faried is the real deal.

    • gimpcom187

      What the hell are you talking about? Faried played this way the majority of last season. (Played hurt for playoffs. Remember?)The nugs won a franchise high 57. When ty is healthy andfaried is playing well its a decent team worthy of 45 or so wins. If anything this past 2 weeks is an indictment on shaw as they cant beat teams like the hawks. Not to mention the nugs are an afterthought team now which explains being 50/50 against top 5 teams and bottom 15 teams.

      Its silly ridiculously idealistic statements like that that call for others tomock you. It was a nice win against a very good opponent. Enjoyed it. Glad you did too.

      • Darian Williams

        You are actually wrong… There was no month last year or any point when Faried was averaging 21.9 pts and 9.8 rbs.
        http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/6433/kenneth-faried He’s playing better defense, making good passes, and making his FTs.

        • heykyleinsf

          I know right? It’s crazy how upset some people are with their “favorite team” playing well. It’s like this little forum is their socially acceptable outlet to complain about life in general. For the record.. I made a very general statement. “So many people ready to write Faried off”.. I said nothing about last year. See the above comment about Chris Paul. Gimp is trolling me.

          • Darian Williams

            Trying to… lol. I think he trolled himself. Its pretty obvious that he is playing better than ever

          • gimpcom187

            Ummmm you very clearly made a ridiculous statement comparing this year to last and suggesting it is going to end on a more positive note: “Already it looks like this season is going to end on a more positive note than last season. So many people writing Shaw and Faried off.. LOVE IT!!!

            so “I said nothing about last year” is clearly wrong.

            That was a nice win and I enjoyed it. That is a reasonable statement. Faried is playing very well and it is encouraging compared to earlier in the year. Reasonable statement. Your whining about others “complaining” as opposed to them correcting your idealistic and inaccurate comments is more “trolling” type behavior.

        • Nugman

          Faried is playing better and let’s hope it continues. But it is ridiculous to suggest that this year is better than last year.

          • Darian Williams

            Thats like saying every other team has given up playing us just because we’re not a playoff team. Sure its not at the best time but the lineups have been better and the coaching has been better. You can’t tell me his FT shooting hasn’t improved dramatically. Last year he was a product of Karl’s system where every play was a run out or fast break. He’s never had his offensive or defensive game this good.

            • gimpcom187

              In fact I CAN tell you he has hit his FT like this before. (who is trolling themselves now) January of Last year he hit 73.5% which is his best month over the past 2 seasons.

              Nba shot charts suggest he is about the exact same around the rim which make up 90%+ of his shots both this season and last. The only place he seems to be better is 8-12 feet at the FT line where he takes more shots and hits them at 50% as opposed to 42% last season. Small sample on both though. He has made some minor progress on the offensive end as he is smoother with his hook shot (he was doing that some last season too) and slight increase in efficiency at FT jumper. It’s called natural progression for a player his age. He still gets a HIGH majority of his shots from Rebounds, fast breaks/broken plays and teammates setting him up.

              http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=202702&Season=2013-14

              Since Ty has come back the Nugs have wins against ORL, LAL, Miami, LAC and Dallas. They have losses against Minnesota, Charlotte, Atlanta and New Orleans. So they can beat the Tankers and top 10 teams but not the middle tier teams or do you think it is more likely that the top 10 teams aren’t “showing up” and the nugs are playing hard in those games.

        • gimpcom187

          His WS/48 minutes was higher last season and in rookie season. PER is slightly lower last season and higher his rookie season. pts and rebounds are old stats. He’s playing very well on offense. On defense he plays hard and is athletic so he shot blocks and rebounds well. I haven’t seen anything to suggest he does anything skill based better. He still gets beaten up on the block and has issues with pick N roll.

          The intent of my statement was clearly that he was on a roll similar to what he has done in the past. He’s added some little jump hooks to his game since his rookie season and isn’t quite as lost on defense. He’s a really hard working guy with supreme athleticism and below average height. I haven’t seen many people saying Faried is no good. Just that he has limitations that are still relevant (Heiny’s statement suggested they were “wrong” about him and shaw). He hasn’t added a mid-range or long range shot to his game which is the only way he is a valid starter on a championship quality club. It’s been a nice 10 game stretch of which he has had similar events. Don’t pretend he looks different than he has in the past. He’s a very nice 3rd big if your starting PF can play 10-15 minutes at center.

  • googergieger

    Griffin and Paul get away with a lot.

    • heykyleinsf

      that bit at the end with Paul made me want to vomit.
      He’s holding out a hand to help JJ up but looking at the refs instead of JJ.. it was sickening.

      • gimpcom187

        Why? It was a physical game. Paul took his fair share of hits. He exaggerates like almost all great players but he plays like you want your star to. He was making the attempt partially as a nice gesture and partially to distract the refs from blake push. It was smart. Sorry nugs dont have a player like paul.

        • heykyleinsf

          if referees buy a BS act like that.. and if that’s “being smart” then this game is truly more of a sham than I ever felt it was on my most cynical day. I don’t like flopping or acting. I think there’s something to be said about smart playing with sportsmanship and integrity, I don’t want to ever be a fan of BS. Not in sports.., not in life. Be a man. THat is NOT being a man.

        • Aaron Durkin

          If Chris Paul or Griffen played for the nuggets i would stop
          being a fan. They flop EVERY time they have the ball and get every call. If it was not for the free throw line they both would be a little above average players. I would take Lawson over that cheat Pual every day of the week. Griffen is extremely overrated as well that being said that was a good win last
          night and I really like watching the Nuggs beat up on a that type of team.

          • heykyleinsf

            thank you. I’m getting sick of this mentality that cheating is better than sportsmanship and the very notion that this is something to be admired makes my skin crawl even worse than the actual acts of deceit. What is this world coming to when we cheer on liars?

            • gimpcom187

              THE HUMANITY!!!! Don’t let the facts get in the way. Go ahead whining disguised by self-righteous indignation and a (false) sense of moral superiority. The Clippers shot 25 FT last night. The nuggets shot 33. The cheaters prospered.

              The refs made a bad call on the Faried tech when it was clear Griffin initiated that wrestling action. Otherwise it was a well called game given how aggressive both teams were. Paul looked out for his teammate when he played the little charade. He didn’t do anything to endanger someone else’s health or anything crazy like that. It’s a competitive game. Most stars push the boundaries of the rules from time to time. Faried’s been accused of that in the past. It’s really not a big deal

              • heykyleinsf

                If you think lying to win is admirable..
                I’m glad we seem to disagree on about everything.
                You just made it easier on me for how much I care now.

              • gimpcom187

                So where does the moral judgement stop. If ty gets an and 1 and he wasn’t touched by the opponent for him to even take the foul shot is a “lie” Would you stop rooting for him? Faried was accused of attempting to injure a player in the playoffs last year (suspect evidence). Would you have stopped rooting for him had curry stepped on his foot one of the times faried hedged out?

                8 years ago or so Reggie Evans grabbed the testicles of Kaman in the playoffs. Did you call for his ouster from the team?

  • Richard Pesicka

    Sloppy game. I couldn’t tell who wanted it more. Lawson seemed a step slow. Refs use the same bookies as civilians.

  • Scott

    Wear these amazing Unis on the road as an alternate and then bg back the rainbows as another home alternate! Even if, dare I say, they are sleeves. *shudders*

  • Heisenberg

    I’m not really sure why Lawson’s consistently playing nearly 40 MPG. Even if they aren’t trying to lose intentionally (which they should), they really shouldn’t be pushing Lawson.

  • Ben Aubrey

    “Unlike some nights where he has tough defensive matchups Chandler was responsible for Matt Barnes during most of his minutes so there really isn’t a good reason why he struggled so much offensively”

    Except that the flip side is that Barnes is a very good defender and also half the game Chandler wasn’t even guarding Barnes anyway…

    • heykyleinsf

      I have to agree.. I haven’t been too impressed with Chandler this year.. I think he’s better off the bench.

  • Pickles1731

    I do not like that Shaw is giving Lawson this many minutes. It is nice to be competitive, but we have nothing to play for and I don’t want to waste Ty’s legs right now if we don’t need to.

    • COfoEVA

      I’m sure Ty has a say in it as well.

      • Nugman

        Every player worth a darn wants tp play every minute of every game, but it’s the coaches job to only play them a reasonable time. Phil sat Jordan, Pippin and Kobe every game and restricted their minutes. Pop does the same thing with the big 3 in SA. Shaw has to learn how to work his rotation so he doesn’t over play his stars. He has failed at this all year.

    • LBJ

      With the Nuggets going no where – it is absurd to be playing Ty that many minutes. At least when the 2013 Lakers played Kobe massive minutes at the end of the season it was to make the playoffs – which worked out well for them.

  • Nugman

    “Another good night for him”? When was the other? I would argue that it’s easier to win when quality opponents like Miami and LAC aren’t motivated to play you. If Shaw had won when it still mattered then he would’ve deserved an A.

    • Darian Williams

      Heat weren’t motivated, Clippers were tired. You would call staying even all game not trying? It was a physical game, they wanted it. I agree its too late but it takes time, especially with injuries.

      • LBJ

        I watched the Heat beat the Rockets – they didn’t look anything like the team the Nuggets beat.

    • Sharkboy242

      This is a ridiculous statement. Miami plays in the East where they play crappy teams on the regular and they’re always motivated to play them. You’re making excuses for the other teams, pathetic.

      • gimpcom187

        Well in fact the Heat do have losses against the 76ers, Celtics, Pistons, Kings, knicks, Hawks, Jazz and nuggets. So if by “pathetic” you mean Nugman was accurate to suggest the Heat just overlooked the nugs then you are correct.

        The reality is every team other than the 96 bulls has at least 6-10 games a season they lose due to lack of effort. It’s called being a human being. (Im sure your boss would agree there are some days your effort is lacking) The Clippers, Heat and Mavs wins are nice and COULD indicate that Shaw is coaching better. Unfortunately, the nugs have also lost to multiple sub .500 teams during that stretch as well. What’s the excuse for that.

        You’re pretending these wins over the Heat, Clips etc have greater meaning than losing to the Pelicans and hawks. The reality is the team is 17th in offensive efficiency. 21st in Defensive efficiency. They are thought to have about average talent in the league when you discount no Gallo. Shaw has shown to be about an average coach or slightly under. Pointing to impressive wins and ignoring bad losses doesn’t make the results any better. Just the analysis of some clearly BIASED.

        • Sharkboy242

          Except no where did I once say that this win was anything of significance. Way to make a bunch of baseless assumptions.

          • gimpcom187

            what were you saying? You called someone pathetic for suggesting the nuggets wins against Miami and LAC are more about their lack of concentration/effort than suggest the Nugs had found some new ability to play better or be coached better.

            The ONLY way to infer your statement is that the Heat play other below average teams and don’t lose to them (which of course I proved you COMPLETELY incorrect on as they’ve lost many more games to sub .500 teams this season).

            So what was your point? My reply was directly based on the statements you made and your response to Nugman’s statements. Feel free not to call people pathetic when you have no point or your point is false.

            • Sharkboy242

              My point is that a win is a win and a loss is a loss no matter who the opponent is. Why make excuses, especially when its for the opposing team.

              Those teams that beat the Heat get no credit for playing a solid 48 minutes of basketball? You’re just like ESPN and the media. Whenever the Heat lose–its not about how great the other team played–its all about where the Heat went wrong. Give credit where credit is due. The Nuggets played a good game and that doesn’t imply anything about other games they’ve played.

              • gimpcom187

                . excuses and reasons are not synonymous. It’s silly to think a team or person or whatever gives their best effort every time. REPEAT: The wins against the Clippers and Heat COULD imply the team is doing better and coach better. The losses in the same timeframe to the Pelicans and Hawks imply otherwise. You didn’t recognize that fact in your statement (neither did nugman) but that is VERY relevant. You’re the clearly biased participant in this conversation. And apparently blind to it as Ive been clear about it twice.

                It was 3 nice wins (dallas too) balanced by 3-4 bad losses. Same team as the whole season.

              • Sharkboy242

                Bias in what way? I’m going to reiterate that not once have i commented on anything other than the Heat and Clipper game. Why do you continue to bring up other games? You’re just taking my comment out of context for the sake of arguing, stop reaching.

              • gimpcom187

                Bias- is the concept of seeing a situation or person in a particular way without taking into account dissenting information as to confirm you preconceived notion.

                Your comment was in regards to someone saying the wins were less impressive than they seemed. The clear implication is that they are impressive and the team is doing better as your comment was in response to someone who said the opposite and you called them/concept pathetic. I am in general agreement with Nugman. Nice wins that have little long term implications.

                Im not sure what you think you said but in the context of his comment and your retort (while degrading him/comment) Your reaction suggests you feel the heat played their best and the nugs were just Better. You’re the one who wrote a 2 sentence reply and left your clearly negative reaction open to the interpretation of others. You said the heat play other poor teams from the east with the implication that they don’t or very infrequently lose to those teams. That’s clearly not true in the context of last year vs. this year. I detailed that for you (you ignored that which is your bias). Your welcome.

                Ive done my best to disabuse you of the misperception that there are no reasons only excuses. If you are the coach or a player then you can think that way because in competition you have to believe you are able to win. If you are an UNBIASED (or at least attempting objective) observer its just an unrealistic way of looking at things.

                I am condemning you for not making any comments other than the heat clippers because it shows a bias that you are only concentrating on the positives.

                For example a biased view against shaw would say: Nuggets dropped 20 games in the wins columns from year previous. Let’s say that’s the 40th worst drop in the history of the NBA (hypothetically) So a biased opinion says. His coaching job is 40th worst in the history of the game. There is no context to injuries and loss of talent and reasonable expectations for what the replacements could provide.

                The nugs may have won the heat game because they are a better team or they were coached well. But mitigating factors/evidence (like heat’s other losses to subpar teams, nuggets losses to other mediocre teams, etc) suggest you should look at other reasons beyond those. Dismissing those reasons as excuses is lazy.

              • Sharkboy242

                I’m not negating those things, I’m simply not talking about them. You’re acting as though I think that these wins are an implication of greater things to come. I don’t think that. The nuggets are a subpar team. I. Know. This. It was just an unappreciated comment by Nugman. Why don’t you try telling Faried that the only reason his team won that game was because the heat underestimated them… That would be an insult to him and the rest of the team. We’ve suffered enough this season and a feel good win is always appreciated. Why have comments on here that just damper this?

                P.S. You bring up the fact that Miami has lost more to subpar teams this season than the last… Tell me, whats their record against subpar teams overall? Better yet, whats their record against subpar teams IN Miami? Take THAT into context. Of course you refused to acknowledge that because that would go against YOUR bias.

              • gimpcom187

                you should have looked up the stats.

                3 of their six home losses are against Detroit, Boston and Denver. So actually a disproportionate amount compared to their overall losses to subpar teams. (8/19 losses to subpar teams).

                Their record against teams under .500 is 25-8. That’s 76%. They are the 5th best team (technically they have the 4th best win %) in the league in terms of overall record. They are 10th in win percentage vs. under .500 squads The clippers are 8th for what that is worth (they are the 4th best record in the league or 5th in win %)

                Also last season the Heat under .500 record was the best in the league

                I apologize. You were right. my BIAS is being correct. I should have let you know that before.

                I’ve said in many places here that the clippers and heat win are nice wins. Fun. But suggesting they were more about the nuggets than the heat is absurd. They have very little projective value. When you suggest it was about the nuggets more than the heat that is what you are saying. Numerous people on here are suggesting that. You responded negatively to someone who was clearly rebutting that concept.

              • Sharkboy242

                > 76%
                > Bad

                Like I said, bias.

              • gimpcom187

                It’s like you are unable to read. 76% is nice if you are the 10th best team in the league. When you are the 4th/5th best by record and 4th best against the teams above .500 iand 5th best in point differential it is disappointing. In addition the Heat were THE best in the league last year against under .500 teams at 90%. That is a HUGE drop off. again you aren’t contextualizing at all.

                Here’s another way of looking at it: If I told you a student got an 80% on a test. You would be like not bad. 10th best in class. But if I told you that student got 90% or above on his other 5 tests your perception would be something went wrong on the 80% test.

                I’d say you are just being lazy but the reality is I did all the work for you and you still refuse. It’s much worse than that. At some point you are just stubborn and unwilling to learn or challenge your preconceived notion.

                Since i spent (apparently wasted) my time putting the stats into context (the ones you proposed and you still choose to ignore…. The only conclusion is you are obsessed with being “right” as opposed to understanding the reality/context.

                To quote you “like I said, bias.”

              • Sharkboy242

                I don’t agree with the notion that last year’s stats are relevant. They’re not. It doesn’t matter in what direction the heat are trending. The fact of the matter is that the Heat are very good against opponents who are under .500. You’re so called ‘contextualizing’ of the data is really just bending the stats to favor your argument.

                I would admit that you have a solid argument if we could say with a certain confidence that the Heat will continue to decrease in win% against sub .500 teams. That’s not the case however. It would be more logical to wager on the Heat improving that record. One could say, with confidence, that the Heat are excellent at beating sub .500 teams at home.

  • Nugman

    Matt, sounds like you’re giving Shaw all the credit for the team playing hard. Did you also give him all the blame a few months ago when he accused the team of not playing hard?

    I think Shaws got you fooled if you really think this group of quality young men wouldn’t play hard every time they step on the court. Faried, Ty, Moz, Evan, etc don’t know any other way to play. And when you add the fact they are playing for their NBA futures, there is no reason to question their effort.

    It’s kinda funny how we never discussed effort or “playing hard” with this same group last year. It just became an issue under Shaws watch.

    • COfoEVA

      What do you mean? Karl the master of excuses pulled out every one in the book the last 9 years as to why we couldn’t win in the playoffs. Of course it is Shaws job to motivate the players, I think Karl had you fooled.

      • Nugman

        GKs teams always played hard and no one questioned that.

        • COfoEVA

          Thats BS, have you already forgotten K Mart giving up at the end of playoff games? Or Melo just not playing defense for long stretches of time? You must be looking at the past through rose colored glasses. GK was the master of excuses, he used every one he possible could to try and justify his complete inability to coach solid straight up strategic basketball.

          • gimpcom187

            Reasons and excuses aren’t synonymous. Won’t have to worry about reasons or excuses for not winning a playoff round this year though.

            • COfoEVA

              Yep we don’t, and Shaw isn’t giving any excuses he is taking responsibility and changing the basketball culture in Denver. GK shot himself in the foot after last playoffs with his excuse-a-thon, he was even trying to make excuses for this year with the Gallo injury not healing properly.

              • gimpcom187

                Shaw kills his team constantly. Team Didn’t give effort. Not my types of players. He acts like he’s phil jackson but without the people skills or basketball acumen.

                I don’t even want to kill Shaw. Rookie coach. Give him another year to turn it around. But people on here are nuts. It’s obivously been a bad year and part of that issue has been the coaching change. Sooner or later people will figure it out I guess

          • Nugman

            I hope you’re not going to suggest Shaw has done better. When GK was fired I had hoped we would get an upgrade, but so far Shaw has proven to be a step back. Maybe he can change that, but he’s going to have to improve a lot.

            • COfoEVA

              Popovich won 17 games as a rookie head coach, Jackson was similar. This could be viewed as a step back as far as instant results, but a huge step forward in building our team for the future. Shaw is a basketball mind with the strategic ability to see the game that GK just never had, as we saw in the playoffs every single year. If you watch our team (and know basketball strategy) and how they are playing right now it shows that hiring Shaw is already paying off. We are winning games by beating the opponent at basketball, not at a track meet.

              • LBJ

                Shaw hasn’t proven he can establish player rotations, motivate his players or even make basic situational substitutions at the end of games. I haven’t seen any evidence of a “basketball mind.”

                He doesn’t hold a candle to Karl – who improved all 4 teams he coached. Check back when we are looking for a new coach in a couple of years.

              • COfoEVA

                When the Zen master says he has a basketball mind and gives him a full endorsement I’m going to have to take his views over yours. How many other people on our team have rings? Karl went to the postseason 22 times and made it out of the first round 8 times, that turrible.

              • LBJ

                Check out the head coaching track record of Phil’s assistant coaches. Clue – it’s not real good.

                Now that the Zen master is running things for the Knicks – maybe he could hire Shaw’s “basketball mind” as his next head coach. Shaw could introduce some discipline to Melo, JR and K-Mart!

                Here is one vote for letting Shaw take his “talents” to NYC!!!!

  • COfoEVA

    This is promising for next year. Now everyone pray that NY loses all of its final games.

  • heykyleinsf

    What kind of fan continually disparages the team and it’s coach? What kind of fan makes excuses for wins over the elite teams of the league? We beat the Clippers twice, the Heat, Pacers. OKC and some people act offended like they’re pissed off. IDK what some people around here have as an agenda. I feel like I’m surrounded by hate for this team. I think some people here need to get their act together … all this hate and contempt.. really.. what’s your interest? Why are you so pissed off when this team wins????

    • COfoEVA

      So true. Everyone is so quick to blame Shaw or the front office, it sad really. The Nuggets will be back in contention next year, no need to keep hating on our team this year.

      • gimpcom187

        I think that is the point though. You seem to think all of a sudden next year they will be back to contention. If you mean they will contend for the 8th seed then I agree. But that’s a pretty low goal especially when the team was showing a positive trend toward consistent top 4 in the conference. If you mean they will contend for 1st round home court then we disagree.

        To fans that want the team to become a true contender (top 5 in the league) its pretty clear they need 1-2 all stars including a top 10 player in the whole league. The coaching has clearly been a downgrade (predictable given he is a rookie, but other rookie coaches are doing well with similar talent and their own injury issues, PHX, Memphis) Shaw will have to make A LOT of improvements to become an above average coach.

        • heykyleinsf

          well if you’re a clairvoyant like this..
          Why are you wasting your time?
          What is it that so conclusively proves this team won’t be dangerous next year?
          I mean.. we stuck it to the league’s best this year.
          Imagine what we do when we have 2 starters.. a 6th man and who knows with the draft and FA??
          You’re writing next season off now too?
          Can we hope for every win next year to be discredited as an illusion by you then too?
          Geez.. I never met fans like this in my life.. anywhere.. on any level.. no matter what the team was like.

          We cornered the emo contingent it would seem.

          • Nugman

            As much as I hope the Nuggets win the NBA Championship next year, it isn’t rational to expect the return of Gallo and McGee to automatically push us right to the top. This season has shown all our weaknesses and it has to be concerning. And Shaw has shown very few signs that he can coach at high level. To move to the top tier of teams we have to have a coach that can take us there. Shaw might be able to do it, but he’s going to have to improve a great deal to do it.

            • heykyleinsf

              did you honestly expect as much last year?
              Or any year?
              That’s pretty much to me.. what a Nuggets fan for
              20 years is all about. Knowing it’s not going to happen.
              But being a fan anyway and never anyone else.
              These are my guys. I love em.
              Every win counts to me.
              Same thing with Broncos and Avs.
              That’s what I thought a fan wanted.
              But you do it your way and I’ll do it mine.

              • gimpcom187

                Yeah I don’t internalize the feats of other people that way. They are a team I enjoy watching and hope they will do well. The process of building the team, coaching the team, and the development of talent on the team is an interesting cognitive exercise for me. They’re not my family members.

                To each his/her own.

          • gimpcom187

            not clairvoyant (kudos on the SAT word use. :-) I clearly answered your question previously. There isn’t enough talent or coaching to expect this team to be above a 40-45ish win team. I have been saying that about this team since October. Maybe if they got a top 3 pick, but usually it takes those guys 2-3 years to approach all-star level.

            You can bank on me having cogent, statistics supported opinions on the talent of this team and the coaching of this team. Optimisim and Idealism are not the same thing. I don’t mind hopeful realists (Im a pure realist or slightly cynical realist). Im writing this team off as a top 6 team until a significant infusion of talent occurs. And don’t worry about regarding any injured talent currently on the roster to take that place. It isn’t nearly good enough.

            My overall point is if you got rid of Karl lets just start this thing from scratch. I regard a team that tops out as a 6-8 seed as a waste of my time as a fan.

            Winning a few games here and there against top tier teams is nice, but it’s not predictive or really an ample sample.

      • Heisenberg

        This team, fully healthy will still finish behind SA, OKC, LAC, HOU, Portland, and probably GS.

        “Contention” isn’t the right word to use. They will have no shot at winning a championship, and an outside shot (depending on the matchup) at winning a playoff series.

        • COfoEVA

          I don’t believe that for a second, we can be in the top 4 in the west every year with this team and with our home court advantage. If you don’t believe in our players go root for someone else. I truly believe with a real basketball strategy and a full roster we will be in contention to at least win a playoff series.

          • Heisenberg

            So because I’m not some mindless homer, I should root for someone else? Sorry for being realistic, I guess I should expect them to sweep the Heat in the Finals and win 75 games.

            Who would they finish ahead of on that list, barring injury? They would need a lot to go right to finish ahead of those guys. And we’re not even considering the Lakers, who will have Kobe back, a high lottery pick and the potential to land a great FA.

            It’s time to wake up. This roster, as currently constructed is not championship caliber. I love Lawson, but he isn’t a guy that can lead a team to a championship. Nor is Gallo. The surrounding talent is mostly there, they just need a top 15-20 player. Sadly with their cap situation and Denver not being a destination town for NBA players I don’t see them getting that guy anytime soon.

    • Nugman

      I am a huge Nuggets fan and support the team 100%!!! But I have been very disappointed in Shaws coaching and his attitude towards his players. And I will continue to question him until I see Better coaching and more character from MR. Shaw

      • heykyleinsf

        I don’t think people are giving him a chance. I think Andre Miller was a cancer and the offseason was planned around Javale and Gallo making huge contributions. Shaw has had to deal with an enormous amount of adversity. From knowing what he’s been through in his personal life.. I trust him and his character for dealing with it. Fans wanting to throw him under the bus without the slightest consideration make me wonder if they themselves are so lucky that they’ve never had to put up with disappointment in their life. This entitlement and these expectations.. really don’t give anyone a chance.

        • Aaron Durkin

          This I have to disagree with you. Shaw was handed a good
          team that at times has played to its potential but for the majority of the season they have looked lost. Shaws defensive schemes have never adapted to the players that are on the roster and on offence they rely way too much on Ty. Shaw came in with an idea of what he wanted the team to play like but never gave up on that idea after the team started to lose. He started Hickson for like 60 games even after that failed after 2 games. Over all even with the injurys I give Shaw a D for the season. I just hope next year he comes into the season more open minded

          • Sharkboy242

            Good team? The quality of this roster has been, on average, mediocre. I agree with the Hickson thing though. I would give Shaw a C+ for the season.

            • Nugman

              Sharkboy, I’m surprised you’re being so rational about Shaw. I thought you would give him a B or higher. I would give him a D.

          • COfoEVA

            Why should Shaw give up on his idea of how the team should play? He is the coach, they are the players. We didnt hire Shaw to just let the team run over him and go with the flow, we hired him to be our long term head coach and change the culture of this team and franchise. If somehow you thought he was just going to give up on the system we hired him for your lost and have no idea how championship teams are made. He doesnt need to be opene minded, the players do. We hired him to coach and lead the team, not negotiate with the players and fans to win a few extra games. We want to win a ring, and no possible way GK was going to do that for us. Sometimes you have to hit bottom to bounce back to the top.

            • LBJ

              You have a helluva lot to learn about the NBA. It isn’t high school hoops.

              • COfoEVA

                Until we have LBJ on our team we can let the coach run the team.

        • LBJ

          Why is Shaw totally excused from any blame in the Andre Miller situation?

          • heykyleinsf

            well for one…. Andre Miller has a long history of corrosiveness while Shaw hardly does.
            But that aside.. who knows?
            But STILL .. On the same token..
            Why should he have any blame?
            What were you privy to that condemns him?

            • LBJ

              Let’s review. Andre was benched the entire game – while we were getting our ass kicked by the worst team in the NBA on our home court. I conclude from this that some event prior to the game resulted in the benching (it sure as hell wasn’t the play of his teammates). Andre’s reaction indicates he was not informed of this prior to the game (that is my assumption). Perhaps Shaw could have had the balls to let him know ahead of time that he wasn’t playing?

              Neither of us knows the inside story – but to place all the blame on Andre is BS.

          • COfoEVA

            I hated miller before last year. I cant believe we let him get away with his shenanigans for so long. Him and Karl must have spooned at night or something.

            • LBJ

              Aren’t you the same guy that just finished blasting people for failing to support nugget coaches and players? But apparently it is OK for you to hate nugget players?
              Why am I not surprised that you choose to despise one of the few that showed up for the postseason last year….

              • COfoEVA

                He showed up for one game then every time he was in after that he tried to take games over and it cost us dearly. That was his MO, do good one game and suck for 10I guess hate is a strong word, I didn’t want him on our team.

        • Nugman

          A lot has happened this season and I take that into account. But so many things Shaw has done from a coaching standpoint have been borderline bizarre. His substitutions and use of his players are pretty strange and has not proven to work. His game management has also been very poor. It just seem strange for a guy who’s been around BB his entire life. I expected better from him.

          His ego has also seemed to play a big role in things. He has stuck with things all year that were obvious not going to work from the start. Putting his players down and publicly blaming them and their effort was egotistical. And now playing Ty 40 minutes a game seems like an effort to win at the expense of Ty’s health and future. Is Shaws ego so big he would ruin Ty’s career by over playing him?

          I hope he turns it around because I want the Nuggets to win. But what he’s done so far is not encouraging.

        • Heisenberg

          Overall Shaw gets a C. Injuries have been an issue but Shaw has shown struggles on things that should be pretty simple. There’s no reason to give Lawson 40 minutes a night at this point in the season. His rotations have been questionable (why was Hickson starting for so long?).

          I think he can get better but if there isn’t any improvement next year, it might be time to show him the door. I’m not writing him off yet, though.

          • COfoEVA

            Thank goodness your not making the decisions. We would be a consistent bottom feeder team. You do realize Popovich won 17 games as a rookie head coach right? SA didn’t let go of him.

            • LBJ

              Pop took over in mid season. He didn’t have a whole offseason to instill his system like Shaw. He also lost his HoF center to injury and started tanking (smart decision as it resulted in drafting Duncan). He won 56 games the next year and has never looked back.

              If you are so high on Pop – maybe you should ask him who is the better coach, Karl or Shaw.

            • Heisenberg

              Shaw deserves another year, as I said above.

              Please don’t compare him to Pop though. Pop took over midseason and tanked to get Duncan. He’s a top 3 coach of all time and won a title in his third season.

              IF Shaw doesn’t show improvement next year, then they should consider making a change. Let’s be honest, he really hasn’t been that great for most of the year. I’ll give him a bit of a pass considering the injuries, but I don’t see how you could give him anything higher than a C or C+.

      • COfoEVA

        GK just let the team run wild, as we can see by the culture Shaw was handed. Guys trashing the locker room and the plane, the team not knowing how to run inbound plays or practice simple fundamentals like boxing out or setting picks. I used to cringe watching GK teams set picks, they were non existent! Not to mention how not knowing any out of bounds plays lost several playoff series for us. GK built a hap hazard basketball culture and Shaw is changing it. Frankly I’m amazed how far he has come in just one year.

        • LBJ

          I have to agree on the end of game inbounds plays. I never saw anything last year like the innovative ones by Fours against Atlanta and JJ earlier this year (one he shot the 3, the other he got a 5 second call).

          • COfoEVA

            Just shows the inability of our guys to make simple inbound plays work. Lack of fundamentals due to lack of good coaching in the past. Hopefully Shaw will be able to turn that around.

            • LBJ

              Just how long will it take Shaw to teach the team fundamentals and fix this? Five or six years?

              FYI – JJ never played for Karl.

              • COfoEVA

                He has already made huge strides to fix it in his first year, our D and half court at this point in season are WAY better than last year. In reality we need to make sure we only bring players on board who have those fundamentals, unlike the GK era. I am aware of JJ’s history. Since he stopped starting though he has been much better. And look where he came from haha. Karls gone, deal with it he is never coming back. Shaw is going to get a full chance and I think he will be the guy we need to become a contender again. but this time a playoff contender not just regular season.

              • LBJ

                Our D is way better this year???? You could have fooled me!

              • COfoEVA

                Right now, yes. earlier in the season, it was the same.

              • gimpcom187

                Defense is significantly worse than last year. Personnel changes affect some of that, but Mozgov is the best rim protector out of Mcgee, Koufus and him. 11th last season in pts per possession. 21st this season. You may think or hope or perceive or whatever that the defense is “better” but the evidence clearly suggests that is not the case. You people are acting like this team has been on a real roll these last 3 weeks. They’re 5-4 since Ty came back with losses to 3 under .500 teams. It’s been this up and down stuff all season.

                Trying to defend Shaw this season is useless. He hasn’t done a good job. You’re HOPING he will be better next year. Occasionally 2nd year coaches do better the second season (Portland coach), but it’s based purely on that.

  • Nugman

    If Faried can learn to use his left hand he might end up being a top PF. And knowing his drive and motivation, I probably wouldn’t bet against him. It could be argued that he has carried the team over the last few weeks. Where would they be without him? Would Shaw be getting an A without Farieds play?

  • Richard Pesicka

    Instead of everyone looking for reasons or non reasons for the Nuggets record, Let’s call it what it is. This team is so so. And so so teams are fun to watch until the playoffs. Then we get to watch teams from other states play. And so it goes this season. A rose is a rose is a rose..

    • Nugman

      Or we watch MLB

  • COfoEVA

    My litmus test in this whole thing is Ty saying,”Doing exactly what coach tells us.” That is the difference now at the end of the season. If you wonder why the rotations have been so random over the season look no further than that quote, Shaw was playing guys who did what he told them to do on any given night. Its not always about who is being productive. If someone is scoring a lot but they are disregarding Shaws scheme it will look odd to an outsider when that guy is benched. Now the team has bought in to the coach and is playing his game, and whaddya know! We are beating good teams! And to say the clips or the heat aren’t motivated to play us is ludicrous, they are both fighting for playoff position.

    • LBJ

      Were we playing “his game” when the Hawks, Pelicans and Bobcats kicked our ass?

      • COfoEVA

        Obviously not. Our D was terrible in all of those losses.

        • Nugman

          So if they do what Shaw wants we win? I guess he’s a genius.

  • Fladamia Janavitch

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