Rapid Reaction: Denver Nuggets 100 – Golden State Warriors 99

#MOZGOD. #MANIMAL.

Denver Nuggets 100 FinalRecap | Box Score 99 Golden State Warriors
Kenneth Faried, PF 33 MIN | 8-18 FG | 2-7 FT | 17 REB | 1 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 6 TO | 18 PTS | -3

Shaw loves running that dribble handoff where the big screens for the in-bounder at the top of the key at the end of games. Faried broke the play off early when he saw how glued Iguodala was to Foye and it’s a testament to his confidence at this point that he chose to end the game on an isolated post up. Additionally it’s kind of amazing we’ve reached the point where, before the shot, a 16 point, 17 rebound game would’ve been looked at as nothing too special. If nothing else can be taken away from this cursed season, Faried’s development can still be lauded as a reason for why this season mattered.

Quincy Miller, SF 24 MIN | 2-6 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 1 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 6 PTS | -10

Poor Quincy. I fear his greatest impression in the basketball zeitgeist right now is his ankles getting reaped by Iguodala. And, even worse, I fear that may be all it’s ever going to be.

Timofey Mozgov, C 43 MIN | 10-15 FG | 3-4 FT | 29 REB | 3 AST | 1 STL | 3 BLK | 2 TO | 23 PTS | -2

#MOZGOD. Hakeem OlajuMOZ. Kareem Abdul JaMOZ. The fact that this detonation happened against someone as objectively great at defense as Andrew Bogut makes it all the more special. Most of the rebounds were accrued from sheer effort and most of the points were borne of lackadaisical play on the part of the Warriors. But still, the fact he played the entirety of the second half and that he was this close to a 20-30 game is impressive no matter what the circumstances. Mozgov has exceeded all expectations we had for him before the season but to what extent his future with this team can be remains uncertain. Night’s like this, though obviously rare, are encouraging – and incredibly fun – nonetheless.

Aaron Brooks, PG 39 MIN | 3-14 FG | 2-2 FT | 2 REB | 7 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 8 PTS | -5

Aaron Brooks is a fun player to have as a complimentary piece to a Lawson-led squad on a team with nothing to lose. He becomes much less appealing when he is handed sole control of the point guard duties and I fear that he will be even less so when Denver starts attempting to build a solid defensive foundation next year, should they choose to re-sign him.

Randy Foye, SG 39 MIN | 7-23 FG | 2-2 FT | 7 REB | 7 AST | 1 STL | 1 BLK | 2 TO | 20 PTS | -4

As much as my bias against Aaron Brooks leads me to constantly view what his does through a negative prism, the opposite is true for Foye. There were many moments in this game where mental lapses on both sides of the floor cost the Nuggets precious points in what turned out to be a one point game, 2-for-1 opportunities gifted to the opposition, closeouts made on the wrong guy, shots that shouldn’t have been attempted. And yet I can’t help but look at the 20-7-7 stat line (albeit garnered inefficiently) and come to the ultimate conclusion that Randy Foye is good for this team. I’ve got a basketball crush, what can I say.

Darrell Arthur, PF 20 MIN | 4-15 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 10 PTS | +8

Frustrating game from Arthur for most of it, he kept taking ill-advised jumpers (he at one point attempted a Dwayne Wade-like bank shot from the right wing) that refused to go in. But his couple of three pointers in the fourth helped immensely and it’s nice to see him in a place where he can trust that three point jumper no matter what.

Jan Vesely, PF 13 MIN | 2-2 FG | 2-2 FT | 3 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 1 BLK | 0 TO | 6 PTS | +12

Denver fans apparent love for Vesely’s effort is emblematic of a more fundamental problem I have with the way the team is being perceived, which I’ll get to in a moment. But to me, he’s another version of Anthony Randolph. His energy is rarely channeled in the direction it needs to be and if he ever saw a good decision, he’d probably try and foul it.

Evan Fournier, SG 28 MIN | 3-11 FG | 1-2 FT | 2 REB | 4 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 3 TO | 9 PTS | +9

At this point he’s a necessary redundancy of Foye, just a bit worse at everything. Once Wilson Chandler and Gallo return healthy next year, it’s hard to see him being a necessity anymore, even as a small-ball three.

Brian Shaw
The last play was a tad unimaginative, the designed Mozgov threes are starting to border on the insane – as though he is being consumed with the need to justify the monster he birthed at the end of that Grizzlies game -, and Mark Jackson and his ghost staff of assistant coaches seemed despondent throughout the entirety of the second half, Shaw needs to get the credit for creating an atmosphere that has Denver caring about winning these games that they really shouldn’t give a damn about. The cynic in me wants to say that the players are playing to fight for their future earnings but it’s getting harder and harder to hold onto that idea as Denver keeps getting worse for wear injury-wise yet solid in this final stretch.

Two Things We Saw

  1. I don’t mean to rain on the parade, this was a great win in a fun stretch of competitive games that shouldn’t have been as close as they were. But the outpouring of jubilation from Nuggets fans on twitter and in comment sections at it has been rather jarring. The middle of the season, personified by that horrendous nationally televised, “everything is falling” loss to the Nets, was so horrific that there seems to have been a shift in what deserves to be lauded with such fanfare as this recent wins and competitive loses have been. If the team shows “effort” or “fight” now, the game is constituted as a moral victory. They’re certainly more entertaining to watch but should fans really be taking this late push this far? Has Denver, but a season removed from 57 wins, on the cusp of missing the playoffs for the first time in a decade, fallen so low so fast that seeing players compete is now a harbinger for great things to come? If anything, the opposite is true. Lauding effort as something worthy of this degree of celebration is the mentality of not just an underdog in the playoffs but an underdog in nearly every regular season matchup they enter into. This is a new-normal that I, for one, am not too happy to embrace.
  2. That said, these games are infinitely more fun. You can tell, from the Mozgov threes to letting Faried run the fast break, that Shaw is letting these guys play loose, like there’s nothing to lose. There was real tension in the locker room just a few weeks early, perhaps this new-found leniency, this removal of the pressure of a playoff race for a first year head coach, helped bury the hatchet.
  • heykyleinsf

    HA!

    HA!!

    HA!!

    IGGY SUCKS!!!

    and so do Shaw haters.

    How’s that humble pie my bitches?

    • Poz303

      Damn dude.

    • David Acker

      It’s like twice as sweet because it’s THAT team in THEIR building. Bogut’s cheap-shot ass got blown up by Mozzy. Best game this year for me.

  • Sharkboy242

    And to think George Karl didn’t utilize Mozgov in the Golden State series…

    Two awesome wins in Oakland. You gotta love that, suck it Iggy.

    • Dan Sivertson

      Karl played KK way too much.

      • gimpcom187

        No he played mcgee too much. but that wasnt really his choice

  • Scott

    Sweet crossover iggy… Have fun with that 9 PPG you overrated fairy.

    • heykyleinsf

      God there is intelligent life here.
      thank you!

  • Nugman

    Good job Nuggets! And congrats Mozzy on the rebound record!

    It was a fun game that was almost ruined by Mozs late 3 point attempt. Terrible shot as Marv Albert said. It looked like a designed play to me which is baffling to say the least.

    Amazing that Mark Jackson’s job may be in jeopardy. I guess some organizations make the HC responsible for results.

    • heykyleinsf

      just like some fans that I won’t mention right now..
      don’t give a certain coach credit
      when we beat two playoff teams in a row.

      • Heisenberg

        You have to admit these late game Mozgov threes are extremely questionable.

        • Sharkboy242

          Getting a wide open look is as good as it gets. We’re not playing for a anything at this point, I’m all for them.

          • Heisenberg

            He has no business shooting threes. Shaw has done this before and I have no idea why.

            • Sharkboy242

              You’re not the guy who coaches him every single day. If Shaw is letting him do this, its because hes solid from the three during practice. Its a low risk high reward situation, deal with it.

              • Heisenberg

                Even if he’s “solid from practice,” it still isn’t a smart play.

                Practice isn’t the same as a game, anyway, and it’s especially dumb to base a last second play on something like that.

              • Sharkboy242

                The sample size is not high enough for you to sit here and tell me its not a smart play.

                The fact of the matter is had Mozgov not shot that three we probably would have lost the game. Call it luck, but it is what it is.

              • Heisenberg

                He obviously isn’t a good three point shooter. I’m sure teams would have let Shaq shoot a wide open three but Phil Jackson wasn’t dumb enough to let Shaq fire away.

              • alex47666

                he has made a 3 pointer in his career, Im sure there have been a couple times that he let him take it

              • Poz303

                McGee has made a 3 pointer and so has Faried (rising star game) but would you let them take a three in the flow of the offense?

              • Sharkboy242

                For all you know its a play that they’ve practiced over and over again. Now is as good a time as any to attempt it. But I guess by sitting at home and watching the game from your house, you know better than Shaw.

              • Poz303

                and you know from sitting at home that they have run this play over and over? On the face of it, I dont think it’s a smart play.

              • Sharkboy242

                Well lets see here. Considering the fact that I have seen it before it wouldn’t be too crazy to think that yes they have practiced it before.

              • Poz303

                and in the small sample size, how many times has it been successful?

              • Heisenberg

                Practice isn’t the same as a game.

                It’s a horrible playcall and nearly cost them the game. I wouldn’t have as much of a problem if they didn’t do this with the game on the line.

              • Sharkboy242

                Except it won them the game. This isn’t the f***ing playoffs.

              • Heisenberg

                And it isn’t practice either.

                It’s not a smart play. Deal with it. It hasn’t been successful in this “small sample size” and I doubt that will change. He isn’t a three point shooter.

              • Sharkboy242

                Except this game pretty much is practice. We’re not playing for anything. Hell, if anything we should be playing to lose. Had this been for playoff positioning or an actual playoff game then I wouldn’t be arguing with you guys.

              • Heisenberg

                Shaw still is coaching to win, though.

              • Sharkboy242

                Personally I think its a good play to employ at this given moment. The head coach of the Denver Nuggets agrees, i’ll leave it at that.

              • Poz303

                He missed the shot, how did it win them the game? I think Shaw did a great job tonight and looks like he has the team playing for him. I want the Nuggets to win but that was a bad shot. Keeping Mozzy in the entire second half was good coaching.

              • Sharkboy242

                Because it went directly into Faried’s hands and got us a point… Did you not watch the game? Can you not see the box score? Do the words ‘butterfly effect’ mean anything to you?

              • Poz303

                Lol, not I have heard it all. So a bad shot is a good shot because we got the offensive rebound? Ok.

              • alex47666

                It wasnt a good shot, just a bad shot turned into a good result

              • gimpcom187

                Isn’t that the truth. Not the Fing playoffs.

              • Nugman

                It’s a dumb play and anyone who doesn’t realize that either knows nothing about basketball or is in complete denial

              • Sharkboy242

                Oh the irony.

            • Nugman

              Especially not in game deciding situations. If you want to work one of the young guys confidence then let Evan or Q take the big 3. Hopefully, if it’s a future playoff game one of them will be taking it and not Moz. Keep the big fella inside and let him rebound

  • Robert

    That was an amazing game.
    MozGod – A+++++
    Faried – A-
    Brooks – B+
    Fournier – B+
    Foye – B+
    Quincy – B
    Jan – B
    Love the intensity and effort with only 9 players and no chance for playoffs.

  • Poz303

    Mozgov deserves something more than an A+ tonight. A very satisfying win. Beating GSW is the sweetest of victories now days. Iggy shooting airballs and losing is music to my ears

  • JD

    You are not a real Nuggets fan if you didn’t get excited after watching this classic game tonight. Add the 5 missing players and 1 lottery pick next season, we could be a legit contender in the west.

  • alex47666

    This was the best win of the year, 2nd best was the first time we beat these fools. good luck getting swept in the playoffs GS

    • Heisenberg

      I’d love for them to get swept, but no way it happens against the Clippers.

      • alex47666

        They are at the 7th seed now, they will get swept by the thunder :)

        • Heisenberg

          http://espn.go.com/nba/standings

          That is updated. Highly doubt anyone passes them as Phoenix, Dallas, and Memphis all have tough schedules remaining.

  • heykyleinsf

    $12 Million a year.
    For three more years after this one.
    Makes my blood run cold that he was nearly our mistake.
    On the wrong side of 30 now.
    A whole 6 points tonight.
    I couldn’t be more grateful to that jerk for leaving,
    and being a 20% black hole of the payroll for someone else..

    • Poz303

      100% with you on this :)

    • Sharkboy242

      Iggy’s game cannot be quantified with numbers. I hate the dude as much as the next Nugget fan, but to say that he’s not a great player is beyond stupid. I agree with you that he’s not worth 12 mill.

    • Heisenberg

      All things considered, I’d still rather have him than McGoof.

      Agree with everyone that he isn’t worth 12 million. Still a very solid player though.

      • alex47666

        Hell no, I would rather have mcgee, than Iggy any day of the week

        • Heisenberg

          McGee is too stupid to become anything decent. Too many Shaqtin a fool moments.

          Iggy is still a solid NBA starter, McGee is (or should be) a backup center.

          • alex47666

            If you are gonna judge mcgee bad moments, you should also judge him on his good moments. Mcgee isnt stupid, He graduated with a 4.4 GPA in high school, and had a 4.0 in college. He just has a low basketball IQ, cause he cant focus with his ADD

            • Heisenberg

              There’s a reason Karl wanted McGee on the bench.

              I’d bet if you polled every GM and head coach, 90+ percent (if not all) would take Iggy over McGee.

              Mozgov is better than McGee, anyway. Can’t believe the Nuggets gave that clown $10 million. That’s way worse than Iggy’s contract.

              • alex47666

                Mcgee had more rebounds and more points off the bench, in 18 minutes. Than kofous did in his starter role, MCgee has way more potential than iggy does. Lets see how well shaw can develop his game before we judge.

              • Heisenberg

                Check Koufos’s rebounds per 48. He’s a much better rebounder than McGee.

                Sure, the potential is there, but the IQ isn’t, and that will never change. There’s a reason Washington traded him.

            • Heisenberg

              Oh, and University of Nevada’s academics are laughable. Borderline community college (nothing wrong with that, but it isn’t even on the level of a decent state school).

              • alex47666

                He went there, to play basketball. Not to get an education

              • Heisenberg

                Then why bring up that he got a 4.0?

              • alex47666

                Cause you called him stupid, if he was so dumb he wouldnt have gotten a 4.0 regardless of what school he went to

              • Heisenberg

                His interviews and comments to the press speak for themselves.

                Maybe I was a bit rude to call him stupid, but he really isn’t that bright of a guy. Especially on the court.

        • Curtis

          McGee just needs some time under a coach that will give him some time. I think we would have seen those dumb moves drop off if he could have played this season. We’ll see next year.

    • slugdugg

      I wish we hadn’t lost Afflalo and a pick for his turncoat ass tho…

  • alex47666

    Hell, did you see iggy tonight. I saw him miss every 3 point attempted, make a open dunk and have a crossover. Hope that 12 million was worth it

  • alex47666

    Honestly we could survive without chandler and try to trade him for a better pick in the draft

  • Sergio Balderas

    Super pleased with this game from Mozzy. Although no Lee, Warriors still had Bogut and O’neal to fight on the rebounds and Timo was taking them down like it was nothing. I was definitely skeptical of the coaching moves Nuggets made before the season started, but you’re right. This season has been a really great one for players like Faried and Mozgov who are two key players in our roster for next season. I do must say I cringe every time Quincy Miller is on the court, sometimes more so than when Randolph is out there.. Either way, I also agree with wins like this being taken as almost a mircale like win for the Nuggets. A healthy team, an improved Faried and Mozgov, and a more comfortable team chemistry with Shaw, looks to me that Nuggets fans should be ready to be back in that playoff race next year. Any naysayers?

  • Sergio Balderas

    But the fact we took this game with only 9 players against a Golden State team (without Lee) really makes me happy on the improvements a lot of these players are making even with no playoffs in the picture

  • etlord1

    Pretty harsh criticism of Fournier and Miller. Patience, patience, patience. It took Faried three years of consistent playing time to get to his current surge in development. They will undoubtedly be better next year, not only because of more experience but because they will have better players around them as well.

  • Erlingur Grétar Einarsson

    Looking forward to getting McGee back, so he can be a solid backup to MOZGOD THAT WAS AWE-INSPIRING.

    Bicker all you want about Shaw and GK and Iggy. That was amazing. Now, can we just all agree that what we need in the draft is a solid 2 or 3?

    Foye is growing on me, but if we can flip him with Chandler in an upgrade trade, this summer might be a good time to sell high on him.

    • Erlingur Grétar Einarsson

      Also, his 29 rebounds is the NBA season high. That’s not shabby.

  • Drewbueno

    I couldn’t be happier about stealing the opportunity to clinch a playoff birth at home from those bastards. I’ve got nothing but love for last night’s win.

  • Richard Pesicka

    A lot of the teams that are going to the playoffs are playing a little slower, a little safer. The Nuggets took advantage of that. Are we a better team, records show we are not. Nice win, but the fat lady is going home soon. Disappointed and can’t wait until this year is over. I want to see a healthy team. A productive team.

  • uh_infinity

    To bad I missed this game. 29 rebounds is Micheal Cage territory. Was it due to GS small ball that he got that many rebounds?

  • Aaron Durkin

    I will take a win VS the my most hated team GS and Iggy even if it costs us a way better pick. Love the EFFORT

  • ny nugs fan

    nice win by the nugs… shaw has definitely gotten better

    yeah that was a nice crossover by iguodala; but he also had a major 3 ball brick when the game was on the line

    gotta give q. miller some credit because after his welcome to the nba moment he hit a couple of huge 3’s at crucial moments in the game

    let’s go nugs… finish strong!!!

  • heykyleinsf

    you don’t think these guys care?
    you don’t think Shaw has this team believing in themselves.
    Look at these guys when Faried sealed the deal.
    There’s passion and there’s fight in this team.
    http://i.minus.com/iWKnsRRAnW1Jl.gif

    • slugdugg

      I love Jim Gillen coming in for the big “FU!” at the end of this gif.

      • heykyleinsf

        if anyone can understand what this team has been through it is Jim Gillen.

  • theweatherman53

    Shaw’s smart to lay off a bit at the end of the season here. Letting his players play is giving him a good idea of who he will be able to rely on going into next season. Its clearly been good for Faried because there has been a lot less pressure to win so he can take more risks on offense. And giving Quincy Miller a chance to shine with all these injuries doesn’t hurt. We have finally been able to get a good look at him.

  • Nugman

    David, I appreciate the realistic perspective in both your comments on Shaws grade and the comments under things we saw. It’s nice to read someone on this site seeing the true and clear picture of what’s going on with the Nuggets. I get frustrated with all the comments talking about how good the Nuggets are and how good of a job Shaw is doing. Both seem to be a misperception of what’s really happening. We might turn the corner next year, and I hope we do, but it’s really not possible to expect that from what we’ve seen this year. And thank you for pointing out how ridiculous the Mozzy 3 attempts are. There are people who actually think it’s a good play!

    • heykyleinsf

      well how about looking at the good for when it happens?
      Beating one 51 win team at home..
      then going on the road to break the hearts of the
      team that broke our hearts last year..
      .. and the the human bowl of dicks traitor that left us
      for them…
      and break their hearts in their house the very next night.

      I’m proud to be a homer.

      At least I’m not some charade of a fan..
      that says something lame like
      “They didn’t have David Lee”..

      newsflash Mr. Sunshine and Blue skies…

      They didn’t have David Lee when they knocked us out of the playoffs last year… And we did have that … person.. on our team who supposedly
      was the best player we had.. according to so many of you both last year and this year…

      The excuses never end on that side of things either.

  • heykyleinsf

    David..
    last time I checked, this is a Nuggets fans site.
    What’s up with disparaging and belittling fans for being happy
    about this?
    we were eliminated a dozen games ago.. but for all intents and purposes
    We knew the season was over when we found out Gallo wasn’t returning.

    And you’re seriously going to belittle people for being happy about this?
    With less than five games to go in the season no less.

    Should we hate our team a little more?
    Is that it?

    SHAMEFUL ATTITUDE DAVID.

    • Heisenberg

      There’s no such thing as “moral victories” in sports. It’s sad that Shaw is being commended for getting guys to play hard. It’s sad that it has taken nearly 80 games for the players to buy into Shaw. And it’s especially mind numbing that people think Mozgov’s late game 3’s are a good play.

      Not enough people are holding Shaw accountable. He has made some questionable decisions at best and has been below average, yet everyone’s giving him a pass because of injuries…or because he’s a rookie HC. The Nuggets have underperformed and Shaw deserves some of the blame for that.

      Not saying he should be fired, but he needs to be held accountable. If he doesn’t show significant improvement next year, he should be shown the door.

      • heykyleinsf

        let’s look at all this blame and all these expectations.

        Was Randy Foye a realistic replacement for Iggy?
        As much as I despise Iggy.. I don’t think I have to answer this.
        We also miss Corey more than people realize too.
        Did we account for the loss of Gallo? McGee?
        Then Robinson, who is our 6th man?
        And then the Andre Miller disaster?
        As much as I don’t like him..
        we got Air Wolf?
        We did get Brooks.. which was a genius move.

        How many rookie coaches make the playoffs?
        Well 3 out of the 9 did… Kidd, Hornacek, Joerger.
        ok.. but they didn’t have injuries and team turnover like us.
        And that loss to Brooklyn David thinks is so important…
        Well Ty was out and Brooks was brand new.
        IDK why .. that game in particular defines everything
        why this season is a failed campaign..

        But that’s what David thinks is important for some reason.
        That was 45 days and 22 games ago..
        but we can NEVER FORGET THE BROOKLYN NETS!!
        IT WAS OUR ALAMO!!!

        come on.

        • Heisenberg

          The Suns weren’t expected to be good at all, and yet they’re in the playoffs. Brooklyn lost Lopez, and Memphis lost Gasol for a decent amount of time as well.

          Hornacek, Kidd, Clifford, and Joerger have all been easily better than Shaw. Brown and Stevens were both handed dogshit rosters focused more on development of players than winning games. Shaw is about even with Budenholzer. The only rookie HC he has been better than is Malone.

          They never should have hired Shaw in the first place, honestly. I’m really not a fan of hiring rookie head coaches unless there aren’t any decent coaches out there. There were several proven guys and they went with someone that plenty of teams have passed on before. His questionable decision making is showing why it took so long for him to get a HC gig.

          • Sharkboy242

            Kidd? Yeah, lets disregard the fact that he’s been given–what most people were saying before the season–the best starting five in the NBA (including two future hall of famers). Lets also disregard the fact that the eastern conference is garbage and the level the your team’s SOS dramatically decreases by virtue of playing in such a shitty conference. Does the word context mean anything to you?

            • Heisenberg

              18-12 against the West and 4-0 against the Heat.

              Pierce and KG are done. Lopez was arguably their best player. Kidd’s gotten a lot better as well. Shaw….hasn’t.

              If the year were 2006, maybe they would have the best starting five.

      • Sharkboy242

        The Nuggets have not underperformed… A lot of analysts pegged the Nuggets at barely missing the playoffs before the season began, and that was with a HEALTHY SQUAD. That’s right about where were at, maybe just a bit worse due to injuries.

        Whats your argument for saying that we’ve underperformed? I’d love to hear about how our awesome C-league roster should have done much better under the helm of a of a rookie head coach.

        • Heisenberg

          The Nuggets were expected to be a 45 to 50 win team and that was with Gallo coming back in late January. I believe the Vegas over under on them was 46.5 (correct me if I am wrong) With everything that’s happened they should still have been around .500.

          I’d be willing to bet Hornacek would have done better than Shaw. But as I wrote below I’m not a fan of hiring rookie HC’s when there are proven guys available. Hollins and Sloan (assuming the desire to coach was still there) would both have been better hires. So would SVG.

          • Sharkboy242

            The ESPN summer forecast had them at 43 wins. Again, this is under the assumption that a team stays healthy and doesn’t miss actual impact players (Gallo and McGee). Right now we’re at 35 with a roster that has been decimated at times. Believe it or not but missing players is a legitimate excuse for losing games. You can disregard that fact all you’d like but that doesn’t make you right.

            • gimpcom187

              Link it please. I remember 2 months ago claims that most people said they wouldnt make playoffs. Then I linked to 5 major sites all predicting them in.

              • Sharkboy242

                http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9560974/2013-nba-summer-forecast-west-standings

                Little did they know that 43 wins wouldn’t bring anywhere near 7th seed.

              • Heisenberg

                Good lord, they had a below .500 team making the playoffs?!?!?! I can’t remember the last time that happened in the West.

                Further proof that ESPN is TMZ. The Vegas sportsbooks had them listed between 45 and 47. I’ll take that over these laughable projections.

            • Heisenberg

              While most of the Nuggets injured players have some impact, they’re NBA rotational players and not legit starters (with exception to Gallo and Lawson).

              Gallo was expected to be out until at least mid January so that was factored into projections.

              • Sharkboy242

                That’s such a blanket statement. You can’t just take all our injuries into account by saying they’re all just ‘rotational players’. Again you’re just disregarding and making stupid assumptions.Try again.

              • Heisenberg

                Ever consider that Shaw’s minute allocations might be the cause for some of those injuries? Lawson’s first game back from injury Shaw throws him into the lineup for 40 minutes even though the Nuggets had nothing to play for. I feel like if Gallo were to come back tomorrow Shaw would have him play 40 minutes as well.

                They were expected to win 45-48 games. They factored in Gallo being out for the first few months (not the entire year, but for roughly half of the season). Not saying they should have finished there, but still should be close to .500 instead of dropping games to the 76ers at home and the Utah Jazz…..

                Can you honestly argue that they wouldn’t be better if Karl were coaching? I know there’s a talent disparity between last year’s team and this year but Karl, for all the talk, was a pretty decent coach. Not great, but better than what we have seen from Shaw.

              • Sharkboy242

                No I don’t think its due to minute allocations. Ty was really the only player playing too many minutes, and his injury was a result of an accident, not fatigue. Chandler is the only guy I can think of who’s injury may have came from fatigue, but he’s always been injury prone. The rest of the injuries really cant be blamed on minute allocations.

                .500 is a five game difference from where we stand now. Does that really sound that much more appealing to you?Even if that had happened, you along with Nugman would still be crying and we would still be missing the playoffs.

                No I would not argue that Karl couldn’t have done a better job, but if you don’t understand why he was fired still then thats your problem. Say even if by some miracle Karl gets us the 7-8 seed, we’d still be heading to a one and done and a worse pick in the draft. Is this really what you want?

              • gimpcom187

                This doesnt have anything to do with the question of whether shaw is good avg or poor. The contention of many on here you included is shaw is good or has shown significant progress. Its conveniently forgotten that all average teams have some of these wins especialy late in the season. Do you think twolves fans are talking up adelman and brewer after that houston win? Of course not. Faried has made modest improvement overall. He just gets more opportunities and made improvements normal to a 3rd year player. Mozgov has made some improvements but he is 27 4th year guy whose stats are improved some. From clear backup to MAYBE avg starter.

              • Sharkboy242

                I’ve never said Shaw is a good coach. Don’t try shoving words into my mouth. I’ve only advocated the fact that drawing any conclusion on his coaching ability from this season alone is not logical. People are being ridiculous (mostly just Nugman) and saying that he should be fired and to me that’s just irrational. All I ask for is that people give the man an actual chance, this season was not a legitimate opportunity for him to showcase anything.

    • JD

      Yeah I’m not understanding how any Nuggets fans can be negative right now. It’s clear that Faired has progressed at a higher level than we expected, and Mosgov is coming along nicely as well. This team is still very young and is oozing with talent. Injuries killed this season, but it was probably a blessing in disguise so we can get a lottery pick. I’ve never been this excited for a 35 win team in my life!!! I can’t wait to see how this team will continue to develop next season.

    • Sharkboy242

      Well said heykyleinsf. That excerpt was not really appreciated. There’s so many teams that are below us in the standings… Should their fans not cheer for their team at all either? I feel like Nuggets fans have been terribly spoiled, we miss the playoffs once and they all go crying like its the end of the world. I’m going to cheer when my team wins and anyone who tells me not to can go suck a fat one.

    • Nugman

      No, we shouldn’t hate them. But we should be realistic and you’re not. Have you ever been around organized basketball past the grade school level? You completely refuse to look at reality.

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  • googergieger

    About to watch the game right now. Wasn’t able to catch it last night. Glad we beat em. I really dislike most of Golden State as people. Bunch of dirty thugs with a hypocrite coach. Honestly believe if it wasn’t for the refs, they wouldn’t be close to the playoffs right now. Never set one clean screen, Klay and Curry push off a lot to get open, and Curry especially kicks his legs out a lot. Not to mention how often he commits fouls with no foul trouble to show for it. Iggy picked the wrong team to join. He didn’t even need to re-sign with us really. Just Golden State isn’t close to a contender. Chicago with a healthy Rose, Clips, Memphis, Portland, Indy, Houston, etc could have used him and actually been better off. Granted not as much money, but wasn’t him joining up with Golden State him title chasing?

    • Heisenberg

      Rose is done, sadly. The only legit contenders right now are Miami, Indiana, San Antonio, and OKC. I’d be stunned if a team outside those four won the title.

      • gimpcom187

        Id put lac in there too. indiana offense has finally convinced me they dont have it in them.

        • Heisenberg

          Eh, don’t think their defense is quite good enough.

          Pacers have been bad lately but there’s still enough time to right the ship. They’ll waltz right through Charlotte. I don’t think anyone’s beating the Heat out of the East but Indiana has the best chance. Maybe Brooklyn as a dark horse since they have Miami’s number.

          • gimpcom187

            Lac has 7th rated defense in terms of pts per 100 posessions. And first rated offense. Indy first defense 23rd offense. I think people underestimate that team because they struggled previously. Del negro is a bad coach. Doc is very good. Theyre in the west so it isnt even guarunteed they get out of 1st rd as gsw is quite good at full strength. But theyre the only one outside top 3 (okc miami san antonio) capable of winning 2 series against each other. I think indy houston memphis and gsw are capable of taking 1 seriesagainst them if the matchups work

  • googergieger

    Okay just finished the game. Evan’s d was great, and he would really benefit from either a fair whistle or just toughening up and finding a way to deal with the lack of calls, and b.s. calls he gets on D. Golden State does indeed get away with fouling, a lot. Glad we beat them. Hope they lose tonight, though that is doubtful.

    • Poz303

      I watched it again today :) Couldnt help myself. And it was still very sweet.