Denver Nuggets offseason to-do list

I’ve been doing the Denver Nuggets offseason to-do list for four years now. It’s become a tradition, and it’s a great way to analyze the roster and cap flexibility heading into summer. Every year presents its own unique set of circumstances surrounding the roster, but I do have to say, I can’t remember an offseason being this difficult to forecast. As Joel recently pointed out in his Dearth of financial flexibility post, the Nuggets desperately need to make moves yet have hardly any room to maneuver — like Austin Powers attempting a three-point turn in Dr. Evil’s underground lair. It’s really anyone’s guess as to how Tim Connelly will go about doing his job this summer, and though it seems likely the Nuggets do less as apposed to more, here are some suggestions regarding how the team can position itself to win more games down the road while decreasing its long-term cap strain.

(Here is a link to the Denver Nuggets salary page at HoopsHype)

7. Chose between Aaron Brooks and Nate Robinson

In all likelihood Aaron Brooks will walk. The Nuggets already have Ty Lawson, Randy Foye and Nate Robinson (assuming he exercises his player option, which seems like a guarantee at this point) under contract, all of who are either full or part-time point guards. But if you ask me, Brooks is the guy the Nuggets should be targeting as their backup point guard for next year and perhaps subsequent years following. Of all the players mentioned above, Brooks is the only one who brings it consistently on defense and plays like he actually wants to stop the man in front of him. He’s not the most efficient shooter in the world, but he knows how to fill it up, can hit at an efficient clip from downtown and doesn’t hoist up ill-advised jump shots like they’re going out of style — which Nate Robinson seems to love to do. If the Nuggets could somehow move Robinson and re-sign Brooks to a two-year deal worth less than $5 million per year, I’d consider this summer a mild success on that move alone.

6. Let Jan Vesely walk

If the Nuggets had an open roster spot to fill I wouldn’t be opposed to Jan Vesely coming back. He’s still young, plays hard and could improve drastically under Brian Shaw. But the Nuggets don’t have extra roster spots lying around. In fact, it’s quite the contrary. As of now the Nuggets need to clear room on the roster if they plan on doing anything significant this summer. Unfortunately, Vesely is a casualty of the Nuggets recent profligacy under Tim Connelly. He’d be a nice third-string practice forward on a diminutive contract, but given the Nuggets’ current self-inflicted cap stranglehold it’s best he fills that role on another team.

5. Let Quincy Miller walk

What we have to remember about Quincy was that he was a second-round gamble. He’s a guy you take a chance on for a few years and if he doesn’t pan out it’s no big deal because of how little he affects the cap. And though many fans will gripe at his inclusion on this list, the fact is, the Nuggets simply don’t have room on their roster for guys like Miller who’ve been given an opportunity and haven’t impressed. The Nuggets still have three picks in the upcoming draft and team needs heading into free agency and unless they clear up space to sign those players they’ll be up a torrential Rocky Mountain creek without a paddle. Therefore, Quincy finds himself in the same position as Vesely. He showed promise at times, but nowhere near the type of promise that should secure him a roster spot on a team as deep as the Nuggets. It would be somewhat sad seeing him depart, but again, it’s necessary given the Nuggets abundance of bills and roster spots that need to be addressed this offseason.

4. Re-sign Darrell Arthur

Like Robinson, it seems more than likely Darrell Arthur will accept the one-year player option for 2014-15 remaining on his contract. That’s good news for the Nuggets if it comes to fruition. But Denver’s in dire need of defensive stalwarts and being he’s already expressed a desire to remain a Nugget, perhaps Arthur and his agent would be willing to accept a backloaded contract if the Nuggets offer him financial security for a prolonged period of time. This would then shore up one of the Nuggets’ critical needs this offseason (defensive frontcourt help) and ensure the team a solid one-two, inside-out punch of Faried and Arthur for years to come.

3. Trade J.J. Hickson and Anthony Randolph

Anthony Randolph and J.J. Hickson are the Nuggets’ two most unnecessary bodies and contracts on the roster. They combine to eat up $7 million worth of valuable cap space and yet neither is a necessity to the Nuggets’ success. Jettisoning these two this offseason would do wonders for the Nuggets both in terms of financial flexibility and opening up roster spots for draft picks and free agents. Assuming the Nuggets don’t re-sign Vesely or Brooks, and assuming Robinson, Arthur and Miller all return on their contact options, the Nuggets will still only have two open roster spots yet they posses three picks in the upcoming draft as well as the rights to Erick Green (who only signed a one-year deal with Siena in Italy before the start of last season) and Joffrey Lauvergne (who led the Euroleague in rebounds per game last year and looks poised to make the jump across the pond). At some point this summer, something has to give. The Nuggets will have to make moves; roster space must be freed. Moving Hickson and Randolph, even if it’s for pennies on the dollar, is the most logical first step in the process.

2. Obtain defensive-minded rotation players

Truthfully, the Nuggets need this more than anything. Matt made a great point last year during Tim Connolley’s rash of prodigal free-agent signings about needing defensive-minded players in order to run an effective, NBA-caliber defensive scheme, and we saw that prophecy turn to reality this past season. Outside of Danilo Galinari, Timofey Mozgov, Darrell Arthur and perhaps Wilson Chandler, it’s hard to pinpoint a player on Denver’s roster who’s even above average on the defensive side of the ball. And even of the players mentioned above, would we consider any of them “lockdown” defenders? In today’s NBA you need athletic wing defenders who can at least pester superstars on a nightly basis. Without that, you really stand no chance of moving up the echelon out West. If the Nuggets want to make the jump next year from lottery participant to playoff contender they’ll need to stop somebody along the way and the only way to do that is to employ players who can actually stop people.

(Some options to consider: Andrei Kirilenko, Shawn Marion, Trevor Ariza, Thabo Sefolosha, Jason Smith, Kirk Hinrich, Francisco Garcia, Shannon Brown, Avery Bradley, Kent Bazemore, Mike Miller, Shane Battier, Metta World Peace, P.J. Tucker, Brandon Rush.)

1. Move up in the draft

I say this every year because it’s a philosophy I truly believe in. If you’re a small to mid-market franchise with state income taxes and a boundless proximity to the beach, building through the draft is the only way to stay competitive. You’re never going to attract venerable free agents come July so the only way to find them on your roster is to draft them in June. In the past, Denver hasn’t quite had the sexy first-round pick required to move up — and perhaps that’s been a good thing considering the lack of studs that have emerged near the top half of the lottery the last few years. But now, for the first time in a decade, Denver has everything they need to acquire a true, future All-Star and potential franchise player. Instead of having a pick in the mid-20s Denver is roughly 10 spots higher, sitting just outside the top 10. Combine that pick with a future first-rounder and a key rotational player (Chandler, McGee or even Faried, if necessary) and Denver should have ample ammunition to move up four to six spots in the lottery.

As I’ve stated before, by my estimation, there are seven to nine players in this draft that have the potential to make multiple All-Star game appearances. These include, but are not limited to: Jabari Parker, Joel Embiid, Andrew Wiggins, Julius Randle, Dante Exum, Marcus Smart, Aaron Gordon and Noah Vonleh. Obviously some appear much more suited to excel at the NBA level than others, but in general these eight players represent a level of hope the Nuggets haven’t had since Carmelo Anthony was drafted with the No. 3 pick 11 years ago.

If the Nuggets wish to continue their decade-long reign of playoff appearances, and to dispel this past season as an aberration, then trading up in the draft and swinging for the fences to acquire a potential All-Star is a move that absolutely must be made at some point in the near future. Given the Nuggets’ proximity to the eight players mentioned above, in addition to the bevy of player assets they already posses, the near future is looking more and more like Thursday, June 26 — the day of the 2014 NBA Draft.

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Kalen Deremo

Kalen was born in Durango, CO, in 1988 and graduated from Metropolitan State University of Denver in 2013 with a degree in journalism. He's now an itinerant hoping to travel as much as possible before eventually succumbing to the "real world." Aside from writing Kalen likes movies, music, spicy food and the great outdoors. Edward Abbey is his current idol.
  • mparas

    No team is trading for Hickson when he’s coming off ACL surgery and isn’t very good to begin with. He would have to be part of a bigger deal if anything, but that’s unlikely too

  • Heisenberg

    I’m curious how they could trade up 4 to 6 spots in this lottery. Other than Sacramento (and maybe the Lakers, but that would probably require moving Lawson) I don’t see many teams being interested. Teams like Utah, Boston, Philly, etc etc didn’t tank just to trade out.

    And no GM would trade a lottery pick in this year’s draft for McGoof. He’s a massively overpaid bonehead. Nor would they for Chandler, a decent backup.

    Moving up would require, at the very least, Faried. And even that may not be enough. His rebounding and hustle are great, but he’s a liability on the defensive end.

    Also considering point 2, a lot of the players you list will never even consider signing with the Nuggets. They have no cap room and trading Hickson will be impossible. Truthfully, they should have started moving contracts before the trade deadline. Of the players that can actually fix this, only Lawson and Gallo can be realistically traded (maybe Chandler, but they would get little in return). Trading Hickson is a pipe dream, same with McGoof.

    • Mark Roberts

      LOL – McGoof. I guess that answers my question (below).

    • Josh Chin

      I’m wondering, even if we somehow manage to trade up, who would we even target in the draft? I can see Marcus Smart and Dante Exum being options at guard but Smart is an undersized 2 and Exum isn’t a great SHOOTING guard. And our front court is crowded anyways…

  • Mark Roberts

    What’s the consensus on Javale McGee these days? I’ve had a hard time watching the Nuggets ever since they traded Nene away for him. I seriously think McGee may be the worst NBA player I’ve ever seen (Can someone please explain goaltending to this buffoon?). I guess I was just a Nene fan. I heard an ESPN commentator this morning say, “Washington gets their best player, Nene, back tonight against the Bulls.” Made me glad to hear he’s appreciated there.

    • Heisenberg

      People in this forum generally are in two camps. Some people on here think/hope that McGee can grow a brain and be effective. While I certainly hope McGee did that, it isn’t very likely. At this stage, you can’t really “teach” Basketball IQ. You either have it or you don’t. McGee doesn’t. It’s too bad, because if he did, he’d be an absolute beast. The athleticism is off the charts. Sadly, he’s never going to reach that potential IMO.

      • Mark Roberts

        Thanks Heisenberg. So basically nothing has changed in the last 2 years. In the meantime, Nene went to a team that was 20-46 when he got there, and 2 years later they just steamrolled the Bulls in 5, and he’s considered the best player on the team. Man, people in Denver are forgiving!

        • Heisenberg

          I would consider their best player to be John Wall. But Nene is still solid, would much rather have him than McGee. Washington’s done a nice job, getting Andre Miller for dirt cheap (since the Nuggets stupidly hung onto him until the deadline). The Gortat trade was a good deal for them as well.

          Wish our front office was as good as theirs.

          • heykyleinsf

            I agree Wall is their best player..
            Nene played center for us he is PF for them.
            I think the reason he wasn’t as good for us, is that he’s too soft at C and I always wished he could be a PF instead.
            It’s working. We needed a C.. Nene was not the answer.
            I can’t fault the FO for that.

            Re: Andre Miller.. I couldn’t scoff any harder at that.
            9 minutes last night.. all he had to show for it was 1 PF.. We didn’t lose anything but an immature 37 year old.

            • Daniel Winston

              Well said.

            • Heisenberg

              Miller’s a decent backup PG. His minutes are being reduced because it’s the playoffs. I’m sure Josh and Tim waiting a month to trade him didn’t help either.

    • Sharkboy242

      He’s no where near the worst player, jesus what is wrong with some of you people?

      What he is is incredibly streaky. Last season he boasted one of the highest PERs in the NBA. He’s definitely an impact player but hes limited by his asthma and basketball IQ. The reason people are all on the ‘hate’ bandwagon now is because he played very poorly in his only five games this season. For all we know he could have progressed a lot more throughout the season, people are being incredibly harsh on him. I’m not saying hes amazing or anything, but he’ll have impact on next season and I wouldn’t be surprised if he ups his game.

      The main thing though is that he’s way overpaid. At $10 million, I don’t know wtf Masai was thinking.

      • Daniel Winston

        Masai was thinking, “get me out of town before anyone realizes I’m not that good”

      • gimpcom187

        Hes a backup making starter money. PER is a high majority offense stat. If you assume the player is average on defense then his good PER suggests he is pretty valuable. Unfortunately despite his blocks he is a poor defender at THE most important position for defense. And they gave up a nice piece for him who is injury prone. If he spent his time working on defense to become a better free throw version of deandre jordan he might have a shot. Dude is epically bad at all thinking and detail parts of the game (pnr defense, boxing out, staying in position to rebound while attemptin blocks, etc etc)

    • Daniel Winston

      Totally agree.

    • slugdugg

      I’m giving McGee the year before I judge. Shaw is good with players and player development, which arguably wasn’t happening much with McGee before he came to Denver. Also bigs just develop late. Jermaine Oneal and Tyson Chandler were both busts until their 6th years in the league. I don’t want McGee to do anything on the offensive end beyond putbacks… if Shaw can just get him to focus on defense he can still be very valuable. Sure it’s a big if, but it isn’t unheard of.

  • Daniel Winston

    Kalen,
    Twice you insinuated your displeasure with the job Tim Connelly has done in his short time as GM. Using words like “prodigal” and “profligacy”. How exactly can anything Connelly has done even remotely be construed as overspending or reckless. I would say the opposite. You may not have liked his signings but they all contributed and were good value. He got Robinson for practically nothing, wrangled Foye (the first shooter we have had for years) in a sign and trade instead of losing Iggy for nothing. He acquired Arthur and Brooks both players you profess to like. He also made room for Mozzy by clearing out Koufos. Even JJ, who no one seems to like, was playing well before the injury. It’s not his fault half the roster was hurt.
    If you want an example of profligacy look at the contracts, signings and trades, Masai saddled us with. Even the drafts other than Faried have been weak. Masai is the one who gave first Nene then McGee huge contracts, traded AAA and a high first rounder for what turned out to be nothing. Signed guys like Anthony Randolph and re-signed Andre Miller when it was clear he was not a good fit for this team. I realize no GM is perfect but to bash Connelly and continually praise Masai is completely illogical. Lets give the guy a chance. In the mean time we can watch Toronto flounder in the perpetual mediocrity that is the middle class of the NBA.

    • Heisenberg

      Pretty much all of his signings were terrible. He signed Hickson for far too long, and he never played well, he got demolished on the defensive end. There’s a reason Portland’s doing much, much better without him. And Denver should have refused the sign and trade for Iggy, it helped GS far more than it helped the Nugs. Had they wanted Foye they could’ve acquired him for a bag of balls (citing LBJ here because he was right), Utah was looking to get rid of him so they could give their younger players more minutes. He waited an entire month to trade Andre Miller. The Robinson acquisition made no sense, he can’t play defense at all which is what the Nuggets really need (and needed at the time). Josh and Tim have sucked. Let’s not even get into firing Karl and bringing in a below average coach in Shaw (I know Tim wasn’t a part of the staff then but Josh was).

      Toronto, on the other hand, has done an excellent job since Masai arrived. They unloaded Bargs awful contract and traded a locker room cancer (IMO, there’s a reason teams do way better without him) in Rudy Gay for solid talent.

      • mike gomez

        Portland is doing better because they got bench now and the growth of their players. the warriors look worst than last season, so dont see how it has helped the warriors more. the way i look at it nate was an upgrade over miller, and foyle ws the best shooter on than market to pair up lawson.

        • Heisenberg

          Portland still lacks a bench, they brought in Lopez who is miles ahead of Hickson. Golden State has a better record than last season, only reason they didn’t have a higher seed is because Iggy missed 15-20 games. They’re probably going to lose to the Clips in 7 but they don’t have Bogut. And again, they could have gotten Foye for close to nothing. The Nuggets had no need for Nate either, they needed a PG that could play D if anything.

          • mike gomez

            they might not have the best bench but the got players productive off the bench like mo. also you have la playing like an mvp and damian lillard playing big so it king of help as well. the warriors might of won more games but last year team was still better than this team. well nate was coming off a great playoff series and Denver needed someone that could step up maybe do it for them.

            • gimpcom187

              If you are suggesting losing bogut the team is worse then of course. Otherwise healthy they are better now

              • mike gomez

                even before they lost bogut, they dont look like team they did last season with jack and Carl. they were big time players for them

              • Heisenberg

                Iggy is more valuable than Jack and Carl, even though Jack kicked our asses in that playoff series.

                GS is better fully healthy this year compared to last.

              • mike gomez

                iggy is not more valuable than those two, he might be an elite defender but still doest make up what them two brought. im not trying to be a homer but i believe this Denver them is way better that warrior team when healthy

              • Heisenberg

                LMAO.

                Curry >>>>>> Lawson
                Thompson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Foye
                Iggy is about equal to Gallo (assuming he returns to what he was, which is a stretch)
                Lee >>> Faried
                Bogut >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>McGoof/Mozgov

                You could argue that their entire starting 5 is better, at every position. Benches are probably a wash. GS is much better than Denver, and it’s not that close. Hell, Iggy was the reason that GS series was even competitive.

              • mike gomez

                lamo back at you, because ty showered he could hang with curry neither could stop each other. its always about who has the better players, just take at the thunder,pacers,Houston, and the spurs who are winning but struggling. laswon was the reason why series was competition

                what are you taking about

              • Heisenberg

                Curry wouldn’t even guard Ty if they played a series. They’d probably put Thompson on Ty and have Curry guard Foye.

                Iggy pretty much shut down Thompson and 18/8/5 on 50% shooting. That was better than what Ty brought.

              • mike gomez

                Lawson was pretty putting up 20 and 8 in that series. that why i said no one could guard each other. i believe we match up well when healthy. we have enough fire power to counter them.

              • Heisenberg

                When you factor in defense, Iggy was more valuable.

                Give the Nuggets a star and I might agree with you. As of right now the Warriors have a better roster. Unless the Nuggets get Pop or Larry Brown to coach I don’t see them beating a team like GS in a 7 game series.

              • mike gomez

                when you factor everything else, them two give more. you cant tell me that right now warriors dont wish they had them two. also its not like the warriors have so call great coach. that when gallo not being their was huge because he played like a star against them putting up 25+ point vs them.

              • Heisenberg

                I doubt they’d want Landry, he had season ending knee surgery…..Jack was decent but not better than Iggy.

                Mark Jackson may not be great but he outcoached GK who is a much better coach than Shaw. We also have no idea what Gallo will be like post injury.

              • mike gomez

                well when he was healthy and playing, iggy might be the better player but jack was valuable because he took the pressure off curry and helped warriors win key games in the playoffs vs the nuggets and spurs. karl is better coach at the moment, you cant compare rookie coach to some one who been in the league for so long. i doubt karl would of done anything better when injury roster

              • LBJ

                Ty bungled two end of game situations in the series and Jack was abusing him.

              • LBJ

                To enhance your basketball knowledge, I’d recommend you watch Iggy light up the Clippers. That would be time better spent than telling us how Timmy stole Foye, JJ, Arthur and Nate Rob, while the rest of the NBA was asleep at the wheel.

              • mike gomez

                look who is defending him, quiet being so one sided, and look at the other side at coin

              • LBJ

                Huh?

    • LBJ

      Timmy has been a disaster. In the offseason, he overpaid for four journeymen that not only their own teams didn’t want, but no one else in the NBA wanted. He took two months to deal Miller – and got nothing.
      Masai didn’t trade a “high draft pick.” He had no way of knowing Joshy was going destroy a young, rising core in a single year. Miller played big minutes on a team that won 57 games – that seems like a decent fit. He also signed Gallo and Ty to reasonable extensions.

      • mike gomez

        really do 4 journey men nobody wanted?? who would of you gotten last off-season?? we also had no idea we were going to hit by multiple injuries.

      • Furious_Stylez

        Not sure how Kronke destroyed the core of the team. McGee got hurt, Gallinari never came back, Brewer was a free agent, Foye and Mozgov exceeded their expectations, Traded for Arthur (a young D specialist to make up for Farieds nonexistent D), Lawson and Chandler getting hurt and missing multiple stretches of the season. Outside of overpaying Hickson and keeping AMiller too long, I’m not sure what you’re referring to. Ujiri tied his hands with the awful McGee deal and left him very little financial flexibility.

        • LBJ

          Arthur is injury prone and one dimensional on offense. Why you would ever acquire BOTH of these guys – when you already have Faried and Chandler’s best position is a stretch 4? This is why we have problem with roster spaces that Kalen identifies above.
          Instead of replacing Iggy with a bunch of journeymen, why not try and sign one quality player? How about Paul Milsap in a sign and trade with the Jazz, instead of Foye and an worthless trade exception? Or offering Monta Ellis a contract?

          • Daniel Winston

            Arthur is also the best post defender on the team. Basketball is a two way sport, defense counts. Just ask the Broncos or the Avs. We had a perfect player in AAA before Masai screwed that up, leaving the FO scrambling to fill the holes Iggy left. Milsap? Really, another PF to a team full of them. We already have one undersized PF that can’t defend. Besides Misap would have to agree to that as he was a free agent. Not the FO fault if he didn’t want to. It’s easy to look at options as a fan but the reality is very few are “real”.

            • LBJ

              Millsap got a two year deal for $19 million Why not pay one good player versus wasting a comparable amount of money on two scrubs (JJ/Arthur)? Overpaying scrubs is a great way to finish 11th in your conference the NBA.
              AA is by no means a “perfect” player – which is why Orlando can’t deal him. Trading him for Iggy was a no brainer – as evidenced by our 57 win season. Also, Masai was EoY last year – and I will predict he gets more votes this year than your boy, Timmy.

              • mike gomez

                if we would of offer something to millsap and accepted what would of happen to faried, somthing would of being unhappy with playing time. olrandocant deal him because i dont want to, thier has been team trying to get him but magic decline. your full of negativity

              • LBJ

                How happy do you think Faried was when Timmy brought in TWO guys that play his position??? Two is more than one, moron.
                The rest of your post appears to be written in some language other than English. I will have to get a translator before I can respond.

              • mike gomez

                yes but neither would of been happy being a backup, that the part you
                don’t get. sooner or later you would have to decided between the two. so
                much negatively from you, why even follow the nuggets if you trash them
                in everything they do.

              • LBJ

                By your “logic” we can’t ever sign any players better than our starters – that bodes well for our future. Even your hero Timmy says he wants to create competition. Also, I seem to recall Shaw starting both JJ and Faried (who only averaged 27 mg) – I’m sure Millsap and Faried couldn’t have been any worse.

              • mike gomez

                no i never said that, i said neither would of been happy being a backup. so why create friction? plus their was other hole we needed to take care off.

              • LBJ

                Do the nuggets want to win – or avoid friction?
                What happens if we don’t resign Faried – or trade him? Then we have a bunch of zeros at PF.

              • mike gomez

                win, but cant bring a powerfoward that going to want started mins. what would of happen if mcgee didnt get hurt?? someone would of got screw, with less playing time. im pretty sure faried will get resign, they are not going to let him walk or cider trading him like that because they wont get value right now because he is still in rookie deal.

              • LBJ

                My point is you pay for stars – not scrubs. I also mentioned Monta Ellis – and you acknowledged we had a hole at SG. Why was no effort made to sign him? He would have been better than the 4 journeymen we ended up with.

              • mike gomez

                so your saying foyle,nate, and hickson are scrubs??? ellis was not our price range and wasn’t what denver was looking for, they needed somone that could shoot the three consistently and that what foyle brought and more. maybe this off season we could bring in our long term two. maybe shaw could recruit lance Stevenson if they decided to change thing up, and work some type of sigh and trade

              • LBJ

                Yes. That is exactly what I’m saying. All 3 of their former teams told them to get lost.
                Monta Ellis – top 5 SG. Foye – a SG that Utah didn’t want. You make the call.
                We don’t have any cap space to bring in a quality FA this off season, because Joshy and Timmy filled it last offseason with nobodies.

              • mike gomez

                foyle was not brought back because they were rebuilding not because he wasnt good player. nate because rose was coming back and had no need for nate anymore. hickson because he wasn’t the right fit. i know we dont have cap space but they could make some, or do some sign and trades. the warriors didnt have cap room and they got utah to unload their bad contracts to make room for iggy.

              • LBJ

                Foye is a 15-20 minute guy. The Bulls didn’t even want Nate as a backup and there wasn’t much interest in him throughout the NBA.

                When a 30 year old guy has been on 4 teams (i.e. JJ, Nate) they are by definition journeymen. A front office with any smarts (which excludes Joshy and Timmy) doesn’t throw a lot of money at guys like this.

              • mike gomez

                foye a 15 to 20 min guy?? you saying it like he is garbage. they didnt resign nate because rose was coming back and they all ready had kurt, so why bring in another point guard. im pretty sure a contender would of brought him in, if shaw didn’t convince him to sign with denver. he is not just scrub that dude could play and prove it in the playoffs making big shots, and pretty much putting the whole team on his back.

              • Heisenberg

                Foye is a backup SG. Should not be a starter except on the worst of teams.

                Nate can’t play a lick of defense and they already had a solid PG that fit their offense in Miller. There was no need for him.

              • mike gomez

                foye is not that bad, like you are picturing him to be, he did everything he was brought in here to do in more. he is true professional. not like miller bother to play defense as well. miller never fitted our offense even with karl. he pace was playing slow all the time.

              • LBJ

                Hinrich is their SG. They dumped Nate Rob for Teague – a guy they cut half way though the season. Yeah, he made some big shots in the playoffs – he was also 0-12 in a game. No other contender wanted him – why do you think he was available for virtually nothing on July 23?

                Why do you think he has played on 6 NBA teams?

              • mike gomez

                hinrich was still going to be the backup and they though teague will develop, and didn’t turn out well. so your going to judge him on one game, and ignore what he did in the Brooklyn series and some games with the heat. your telling me that if we didnt sign him he would still be a free agent right now?? Im pretty he was getting alot of interest, he was just waiting for situation he liked.

              • LBJ

                You don’t know what you are talking about. Name some of the teams that “you are pretty sure were interested.”

                The Bulls judged him on the whole season, not one game. They told him to move on. I agree with the Bulls.

              • mike gomez

                i dont know what am talking about?? what make you pretty sure nobody wanted him and he wasnt waiting on the right offer?? im pretty sure a team like the pacers, warriors,Memphis could of used him, and also team like kings and wizard before they got miller. they did tell him to move like you say they did, they just had other needs they didnt need theirs point guard. so they used that money to sign mike. by your logic they didnt bring back marco because he was trash for them

              • LBJ

                Here is a little advice. Repeatedly posting what “you think” doesn’t make your argument stronger. Stick with reality – it works better.

              • mike gomez

                ok, then ill take your advice, but you not answering my question, ill take it like you have nothing to back up your opinion

      • Daniel Winston

        Destroyed? The injures destroyed the team last year. No player we could have acquired last offseason would have made a significant difference this past year. The reason it took so long to trade Miller? Nobody wanted him. The Wiz aren’t even playing him now.
        Look at Masai, he never could bring a half decent shooter in here. He couldn’t draft and he gave AAA away for nothing. Overpaid McGee and then did the smart thing and jumped the sinking ship after pulling the plug.

        • LBJ

          We had offers for Miller as soon as he was suspended – Timmy thought he could get more. Miller played in every game in the first round – so you really just making stuff up.

          Ujiri was voted Executive of the Year by his peers. But I’m sure you know more than guys that actually work in the NBA. PS – Ujiri will get more votes than your boy Timmy this year.

          • Daniel Winston

            LOL! Yes Masai “won” executive of the year. Karl also won “coach of the year” that worked out well. I didn’t see a big lineup for his services.
            Miller averaged 10 min 4 points and 1 assist and 0 defense in the first round. You really think teams are salivating over that? My argument isn’t even that “Timmy” is better that Masai, it’s that it’s too early to tell. Some of the deals Masai pulled off looked good at first….not so much now.

            • LBJ

              Karl was voted CoY because he won 57 games with a team without a star. We will see if there is a demand for his services after this season is concluded.
              So Miller has gone from “not playing” to 10 mpg in the playoffs – your accuracy is at least improving. As others have pointed out, there were other teams making offers for Miller. Your boy Timmy sat around for 2 months with his thumb up his ass – while we played games with no PGs – before acquiring 2 third string guys (Brooks and Airwolf) that we likely could have gotten in early January. And this was one of his least harmful moves.
              Considering that Timmy’s moves last offseason has severely limited our moves this summer – there is little doubt that he is no Ujiri.

        • Heisenberg

          Sacramento had an interest and wanted Miller.

    • http://www.roundballminingcompany.com/ Kalen

      Daniel,

      Last season the Nuggets had a fairly large chuck of cap space, especially after Iguodala departed. Connelly then promptly spent about $45 million over the next three years on Mozgov, Hickson, Foye and Robinson.

      Sometimes my dad used to come home with a bevy of random grocery items: whole sacks of potatoes, gallons upon gallons of cleaning supplies, baskets of fruit that would go bad in a week’s time. When we inquired as to why he bought all that stuff we wouldn’t ever use, he’d answer, “Because I got a good deal.”

      Dolling out excess cash for the sole principle of striking a “good deal” is never a good idea. There’s a reason those products are priced the way they are. The stores want them off the shelves. Why? Because nobody in their right minds needs them!

      This same principle applies to the Nuggets’ free-agent signings last year. While I’ll agree that Foye was worth the money and Mozgov has certainly panned out (I’d still argue the Nuggets overpayed grossly for him at the time), it doesn’t change the fact that Connelly invested close to $50 million in roster duplicates (Andre Miller was still on the team and the Nuggets had recently acquired Darrell Arthur), role players and castaways that no other teams really wanted. Now, a year later, rather than having money to pursue actual areas of need the Nuggets are strapped with an entire, redundant roster full of the types of free agents you can find every single year in July.

      I don’t really doubt Tim Connelly’s ability to assess talent, and I’ve said many times on this site that I’ve liked some of the moves he’s made. I’ll also be the first to argue (and I have) that he needs more time as GM before we ultimately judge the quality of his talents. But I stand firmly by my word choice regarding his spending habits last summer.

      Hope this answers your question.

      — Kalen

      • gimpcom187

        Just to be clear they were within 5 millionish of the cap even if they renounced mozgov and let Iggy go without compensation. They were significantly under the tax range, but they were above 53-54 million with cap holds and salary on the books and the cap was 58 million. In terms of adding talent for this year it wasn’t going to be significantly over the mid-level exemption contract. They could have not added Arther and been more at the 7 million range and maybe made a play for millsap or someone like that. But again mozgov would not be on the team.

      • Daniel Winston

        Yes, I understand your point and I partially agree. I hate the Hickson signing but I disagree that it majorly changes the financial structure of this team. Signing Foye was a good if not great move. We have long been overdue for a shooter. I’m remembering how much I hated watching GS drain long jumper after long jumper on us last spring.
        Moz was a brilliant signing and Robinson was low risk. So yeah JJ sucks but so does McGee, Randalph, Miller, and Fournier.
        I still think Masai was counting on Iggy staying and when he didn’t it left Connelly scrambling.

      • LBJ

        Timmy hasn’t just screwed up with the Nuggets. As a member of the NO front office he: 1) got screwed so bad in trading Chris Paul, that the NBA vetoed the deal, 2) matched an absurd offer sheet to Eric Gordon and 3) drafted Austin Rivers with a top 10 pick.
        Frankly, I question his ability to assess talent.

  • Aaron Durkin

    James Harden= most overrated player in the NBA

    • Heisenberg

      Still better than Foye.

      • Aaron Durkin

        Only due to his over the top flopping skills. We need to get foye a acting coach.

        • Cullen

          If you honestly think the only difference between James Harden and Randy Foye is flopping abilities…. you’ve got to be kidding yourself.

          • Aaron Durkin

            well that is a two part question. I put stuff like this on here becouse all during the season I hear how important it is to have a “STAR” then I watch the playoffs and watch the “STARS” play like crap against good system teams. If not for ESPN I dont think James Hardin would be a top 15 SG in the League. Every game I watche he gets at least 10pts from bail out calls that are directly attributed to his “STAR” statues. In the playoffs he does not get thoes and thus we see what he really is. A good shooting SG that does not play any D. He makes JR Smith look like scottie Pippen on the D end.
            That being said yes he is better then Randy Foye but would I wont him on the nuggets no.

            • gimpcom187

              He’s the melo of shooting guards. He has lots of positives and a few significant negatives. You need to have a certain type of supporting cast surround him with to maximize his abilities and minimize his weaknesses. (as opposed to Lebron James, Chris Paul, Durant, who have very few true weaknesses (below average) and can play with lots of types of players. Calling him a top 10 player at present is a stretch, but indicating he isnt a top 50 player is beyond silly.

              On offense, It’s not easy playing with dwight howard when everyone understands his post-up game is much less efficient than his PnR game and creates a better flow for the offense, but Dwight refuses (Dwight is an average passer at best so he doesn’t create great opportunities for his teammates).

              • Aaron Durkin

                You are makeing excuses for the guy. His game has regressed this year and he now relies on getting to the line and does that by flopping all over the court. Watching the playoff games you can almost feel that the team knows chandler parsons is a better all around player.
                My point is not that he is not a top 50 player but the concept of the NBA star is redicules. Even KD is getting crushed by his own market this playoffs for his play. Having a strong team that has a idenity is more important then having a star.

              • gimpcom187

                Yeah you are completely wrong about that. History says over and over again if you want to make the finals and even the conference finals 90-95% of the time you better have a legit top 10-15 player (occassionally teams make it in the east because it has between 1-3 legitimate top 10 teams in the league over the past 15 years).

                It’s Stars with a good supporting cast, good coach that has a good systems that win. Stars are the thing you MUST have. You can point to more stars in this era having issues getting to the conference finals because of the extreme depth of the West particularly the spurs and lakers long and consistent runs. But still the teams that DID make it had stars on the team. Detroit is the team people point to as the ONE exception because they dont’ understand Chauncey and Ben Wallace were top 15 players.

                By suggesting Harden isn’t really a top 15 SG you are suggesting he isn’t top 75ish in fact. So I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.

  • Ckwizard

    The core players were signed or traded for by Uriji. Lawson, Gallo, McGee, Chandler. Nothing this front office is going to do can impact two years from now more than effectively utilizing the draft. The Owner and GM have effectively thrown all chips in on Shaw being able to develop players. There isn’t a lot of flexibility next year but the year after provides a lot of opportunity to fix problems by supporting Shaw or scrapping it all and starting over. The only long term movement that makes any sense is letting Brooks and Vesely walk and bring in a couple of the younger players to develop like Joffrey Lauvergne. If the Nuggets sign Brooks or Vesely to any contract it is a commitment to mediocracy simply because of how the Nuggets salaries and contracts are arranged for future seasons. After next year the Nuggets can effectively move away from Shaw if it is appropriate or they make strong moves to support him or a new coach. If any of the Nuggets Core including Foye and McGee perform well next year then Moving players will be easy and the Front office should be able to assemble a quality roster. Next year is about Shaw’s ability as a coach and the talent already on the roster, The Following year is about the competency of the Upper Management and Front Office.

  • Richard Pesicka

    Sometimes you have to bite the bullet. They might have to buy out a contract or two and unload a few players. Keeping a bad player and staring at them all season is worse. Whats the difference in playing 8 players all season and setting the rest. Sell them off or trade or buy out the contract. Whatever it tiakes. Once you have a lighter team, then make changes for the team.

    • Furious_Stylez

      I agree with your statement, but only one player really needs to be bought out: Anthony Randolph. He is useless on the court because: 1) He’s not a good basketball player 2) He has no defined position 3) See #1. They won’t resign Vesely, probably can’t afford Brooks, and won’t resign QMiller, so that opens up some bench spots. If I had to guess, they will give Brooks spot to last year’s draft pick Erick Green (who played well in Europe this year and led the NCAA in scoring in ’12-’13).

      • LBJ

        Other than freeing up a roster spot, buying out Randolph doesn’t accomplish much.

      • Richard Pesicka

        I liked what Brooks brought to the table. He got flaky a few times but he works hard. I think Nate is too unpredictable. You never know what he’s bringing to the game.

  • Heisenberg

    So the Lakers are interviewing Karl for the HC gig. I hope he gets it, good guy and solid coach.

    • mike gomez

      idk he might he exposed in the la media, and i dont if he could take it

    • gimpcom187

      I hope for his sake he doesnt take it. That team is a mess. I thought washington was a good spot but they arent firing the coach. Probably pelicans or gsw are his best shots.

      • Heisenberg

        We have no idea what their roster will look like, outside of Kobe.

        Could be a nice gig depending on who they sign and draft.

        • gimpcom187

          Im dubious. Kobe at end of career coming off an injury is a nightmare in general and especially for a coach. Hes a coach killer outside of phil AND having an in prime top 3 big who will acquiesce to his desire to consider him a basketball deity. Theyll have 30 million to spend but melo would cost 23. And nothing else on roster beyond kobe lottery pick and swaggy p (a poor mans jr smith). Its a 3 year rebuild unless their lotto pick ends up an mvp candidate by year 2. Unlikely to the extreme.

          • Heisenberg

            I think Karl could coach Kobe at this point. Maybe not 5 years ago but if Kobe wanted Karl I think he’d be on good behavior (maybe I’m wrong, but Kobe definitely wants to win above everything).

            I don’t think Melo and Kobe could work and assuming LeBron wouldn’t be interested (which I’m 99.9% sure of) they could look at picking up Lowry and Randolph.

            I agree Pelicans and Warriors are better spots but I think GS will keep Jackson. Monty Williams should be gone but it’s looking iffy whether they’ll actually fire him.

            • LBJ

              I think Jackson is gone if they lose to the Clippers. That would actually be the best match for Karl.
              Let’s hope Kobe twists some arms and talks Buss into bringing back Shaw!

              • Heisenberg

                I would’ve thought so too, but Bogut was a big loss for them. I think they’ll give him one more year.