Slow Rise to Stardom, featuring DeAndre Jordan (and maybe JaVale McGee)

While watching the playoffs I can’t help but think of the Nuggets. I long for certain players to somehow end up on the Nuggets’ roster in the coming year, even if I know it’s not logistically possible. I try and analyze the way playoff teams are constructed, from different personalities and skill sets, to team identities, strengths and weaknesses. Watching other teams in the playoffs is always enjoyable — especially this year — as I can push aside my myopic fandom and try my best to truly think like an NBA GM. And while there are always different nuances you pick up on from year to year, one common thread I’ve noticed with playoff teams that make the jump from simply appearing in the postseason to actually advancing is inner development from long-term investments. Case in point: DeAndre Jordan and the L.A. Clippers.

Prior to this year Jordan had participated in two postseasons averaging less than five points and 6.5 rebounds per game while playing an average of at least 23 minutes per contest. In all the regular seasons before this year Jordan had never averaged more than nine points or eight rebounds per game. Basically, up until 2013-14 Jordan has been nothing but an average, over-payed NBA center.

Then Doc Rivers came along.

This year Jordan averaged 10 points, 14 rebounds (doubling his average from last year) and 2.5 blocks per game all while shooting close to 70 percent from the field in the regular season. Thus far in the playoffs Jordan is averaging 12 points, 15 rebounds and four blocks per game while shooting 76 percent from the field. In Game 7 of the Clippers’ first-round matchup against the Warriors, Jordan logged 15 points, 18 rebounds and three blocks, playing a key role in helping the Clippers advance following the tumultuous Donald Sterling fallout. In the process Jordan became the first player in NBA history to have three games of at least 15 points, 18 rebounds and five blocks in a seven-game series.

DeAndre Jordan has been in the league for six years. He’s had four coaches and ample playing time to prove his worth. For five of those seasons and through three of those coaches Jordan showed flashes of brilliance but remained a largely mercurial player who appeared more lightening strike than steady storm of production. But the Clippers never gave up on Jordan. Instead, they made a pledge of confidence and patience, signing him to a lucrative long-term contract which is now paying off in the form of NBA records and playoff wins.

This movie likely sounds familiar to Nuggets fans because it’s the exact same one they’ve been watching with JaVale McGee the last few years. There are of course variances — McGee and Jordan aren’t the exact same player — but like every superhero movie made these days, the structure is nearly identical.

Both McGee and Jordan declared for the NBA Draft in 2008 and were some of the most impressive physical specimens coming out of college in years. Both stood 7 feet. Both could jump as high as most guards. Both were extremely raw. Both probably should have stayed in college a few more years. Both had tremendous upside but were inconsistent and lacked discipline. Both were considered to have low basketball IQ. Both had all sorts of question marks surrounding their level of enthusiasm for the game as well as their maturity. Both were considered to have a high probability of becoming busts (hence their draft positions). Yet here we are, six years later — five of those consisting of temptation, disappointment, struggle and mediocrity — and Jordan has just defied the myriad preconceived sentiments about his abilities. All it took was the right coach, the right time, the right team.

I’m no JaVale McGee apologist. If the Nuggets are able to find commensurate value for McGee via trade this summer, I will not weep. I will miss his plethora of Shaqtin’-a-Fool moments, but weep I will not. However, trading McGee before he fully recovers from injury, before he matures another year, and most importantly, before Brian Shaw has a chance to work with him (see: Hibbert, Roy; Faried, Kenneth; Mozgov, Timofey) is unwise, by my estimation.

Why?

Because I’ve seen this movie before — most recently featuring DeAndre Jordan — and I have a pretty good idea of how it ends.

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Kalen Deremo

Kalen was born in Durango, CO, in 1988 and graduated from Metropolitan State University of Denver in 2013 with a degree in journalism. He's now an itinerant hoping to travel as much as possible before eventually succumbing to the "real world." Aside from writing Kalen likes movies, music, spicy food and the great outdoors. Edward Abbey is his current idol.

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  • Cullen

    And let the “McGoof” bashing begin!

  • Native Nugget

    Nice comparison. Not sure if it influences me to hope for McGee making similar improvements, or if it deflates my optimism by exposing the long odds of getting two winning lotto tickets from the same corner gas station. As McGee was considered even more of a knucklehead than DeAndre, and he has asthma issues – today the odds seem pretty bad.

  • Daniel Lewis

    McGee is about to be a 27 year old center, and if he doesn’t make a jump this season, do you consider him a washout?

  • Andrew

    Love it! We need some guarded optimism around here! I’m hoping Shaw can work some minor miracles with Geezy, as well. I still think his main issue is his wandering mind. Have him drink some coffee or ginseng or maybe take a dose of smelling salts before the game. He just seems to lose focus too easily.
    Anyway, I’m really looking forward to the draft to see what happens…

  • Andrew

    In the meanwhile, the playoffs have been pretty interesting to watch, to say the least. Very happy to see Iguatraitor, Baby Ankles Curry and Jackson sent packing. I saw where Jackson was calling for fans to boycott the game at Staples after the Sterling thing went down…of course, he wouldn’t have been calling for that if it had been in Oakland, right? Ha ha. Also thought it was funny to see G State talking trash after they got beat. Classin’ it up!
    I’m definitely rooting for Baby Nene to get to the finals in the East. Good for Nene. He definitely seems to have adjusted to full time life as a PF.

  • gimpcom187

    The problem with this is that jordan didnt all of a sudden go from a backup level guy (mcgee is that) to a very good starter and defensive anchor. He made a minor leap in year three to a legit starter when he figured out he was a complimentary piece on offense. Another medium leap in years 4/5 as an above average starter. And this year has been another medium leap. He was always a good defensive rebounder and now he is a top tier defensive rebounder.

    Its more a narrative thing that hes made some huge leap this year. It happens a lot

  • Heisenberg

    There’s one glaring problem with this pipe dream. I would argue that Karl is about equal to Doc Rivers. Karl saw McGee for what he was: A backup center who is best utilized in short bursts. The only coaches who MIGHT be able to “save” McGee would be guys like Pop, Larry Brown, Phil Jackson, Pat Riley… The truth is that they all would HATE to coach a player like McGee.

    DeAndre also showed much more progress than McGee early in their careers, especially defensively. And even at that, as gimpcom said, Jordan still slowly progressed.

    • LBJ

      Can you picture Pop coaching McGoof? He would probably have a stroke on the sideline….

      • Heisenberg

        Hah, that would be funny. I’d like to see Mike Woodson coach him, the WTF faces he makes are hilarious.

  • LBJ

    Maybe we could dump McGoof for Hibbert after his disastrous postseason?

  • heykyleinsf

    And then there’s this ..
    for you all with convenient selective memory
    There’s no doubt about his athletic potential
    Iggy said he could be the next wilt chamberlain
    sure.. it hasn’t been realized.
    But then again why should you care.
    You’re all brilliant NBA minds.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdtWY-sqZmk

    • Heisenberg

      And for every one of those moments we have one where he stumbles and bumbles, making an embarrassing turnover.

      • LBJ

        During one postgame show on TNT during the regular season, Shaq claimed that McGoof’s injury was ruining his Shaqtinthefool segment.

        • Heisenberg

          It was funny hearing Kenny and Charles groan everytime McGee was on Shaqtin.

          One of my favorite segments. The best one this year was when Kendrick Perkins tried to run the Thunder offense.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40xXa4S5ooI

          • heykyleinsf

            You can post all day about the bad things …
            Shaw, McGee, Connelly, Kroenke..

            but when it comes to any sort of objectivity..
            you’re blinded.
            Clearly they are all NBA worthy..
            the way you guys talk..
            You’re better than all of them.
            Which is hilarious…

            Got any more “reality” for us?

            • LBJ

              Joshy inherited his NBA “worthiness” (whatever the hell that means). James Dolan and Donald Sterling are also NBA owners – which I guess in your book makes them basketball experts.

            • Heisenberg

              Who implied any of that? Talk about putting words into someone’s mouth.

              Hell, I could throw it right back at you and say that you act like you’re a better basketball player than Iggy.

  • Dinosaur Dave

    OK, here’s what I would like to see this offseason:

    There’s no point trying to sell McGee when his stock is this low. Give him a healthy season to show what he’s got.

    Re-sign Vesely. He’s active defensively and seems to have a high Bball IQ.

    Either let Brooks walk or S&T him for a pick. I like his game, but can’t justify keeping him with Nate already on the roster.

    As for the draft, I wonder if Philly would be keen to swap some of their 7 picks with us. Something like their 32, 39 & 47 (plus possibly another future pick) for Denver’s 11 & 56. That way we have 4 early to mid 2nd rounders which I reckon are better value (contracts are usually cheaper and more flexible.) There are some interesting guys in that range too (CJ Wilcox, Patric Young, Spencer Dinwiddie…)

    Finally, get all Denver’s recent picks in for Summer League. They can battle it out for the last roster spot. If Quincy hasn’t shown enough then there’s another roster space up for grabs.

    • LBJ

      The last thing we need is 3 more midrange picks – we need a serious talent upgrade and that is only going to happen through the draft. Furthermore, the nuggets don’t have enough roster spaces to keep all these guys.
      Airwolf is gone. Nobody is going to do a Sign and Trade for Brooks. I agree he is better than Nate, but the 2 year deal with Nate means we are stuck with him for another year.

      • Dinosaur Dave

        If there were no players I felt strongly about in the mid second round then I agree with you. However I don’t think we are getting a superstar at #11 anyway and I would rather have 2 of the players I listed above than whoever we are likely to get with the 11th pick. Furthermore, second rounders can often be stashed overseas, as we have seen with our picks from last year. You are also not on the hook for a multi-year contract at a set price like you are with a first rounder.

        Also, I don’t agree that the draft is the only way we are going to land a good player. Trades are always there if you have the assets another team wants. Anyway, have countless second round picks not gone on to have great careers while lottery picks bust left right and center…

        And about Brooks vs Nate – personally I think Nate is slightly better overall. He just seems to have more of that fire that can get a team going. Brooks is pretty good too though… I dunno, I’d probably go with Nate anyway, even if you factor out the contract situation.

        • gimpcom187

          Weve had numerous threads on the draft. Its a numbers game. Saying there are busts in the lottery is true but getting an all star or above avg starter is much easier there than even 5 picks in the second round. A high majority of 2nd rounders are either out of the league or last 3 on bench by year4. Like 90-95%. There really arent a lot of second rounders who become solid starters and allstars are like 2%.

        • LBJ

          Last I checked the nuggets were trying to build a competitive team in Denver, not Europe. We already have 2 guys stashed in Europe – and we are running out of roster spots to bring them here.

          I’m going out on a limb here – but even Joshy and Timmy aren’t dumb enough to deal our highest pick in a decade for a bunch of “interesting guys.” We need a serious talent upgrade – and that means getting the best player on the board.

          FYI – Michael Carter Williams was the 11th pick last year (in a weak draft). That turned out pretty good for the 76ers.

        • Heisenberg

          Who would they trade for? Only Rondo and Love are on the market (that I can think of).

      • Furious_Stylez

        I agree with you for the most part. The only reason to resign Brooks is Nate tore his ACL in January and might not be back until Jan or Feb. Gallo has been out with same injury for 14 months, so there’s no guarantee Nate will be back on time. If they let Brooks walk, I’d like to see that spot be filled by Erick Green. He’s cheap, played well in Europe, and is a 6-3 swing guard.

        • Michael

          Gallo has only been out as long as he has due to terrible medical advice. He didn’t have the ACL reconstruction when he first injured the knee and tried to come back in January. It was then that he thought his knee still didn’t feel right and went to see another specialist who told him he should have had the ACL reconstruction when he had the meniscus repaired. Standard time for a full knee reco is 9-12 months, preferably the later +. The two main reasons for the length of time are muscle/strength/balance rebuild and allowing time for the ACL anchor points to have enough scar tissue grow over to be secure enough to handle the strain.
          In regards to Green I wouldn’t say he played well in Europe, he barely averaged double figures in points (11.1) and shot only 34% from 3 in Euroleague and 25% from 3 in Eurocup while averaging 1 assist per game with his highest assist total for a game being 2 in Euroleague and only slightly bettering those numbers in Eurocup with and average of 1.8 with game high 4 assists. Don’t get me wrong, I wanted the Nuggs to draft him and was glad when they did but he just hasn’t shown enough yet for me to say he is worth bringing to the NBA. I am looking forward to Summer League to see Erick and Joffrey play. Joffrey I would say has played well, averaging close to a double double and being one of the most improved players in the league.
          I’m not sure we will see Chu Chu again as he was a Masai project and was clearly very raw, about the only thing he could do reasonably well was rebound. He has had some games with decent stats but they have been in low grade leagues such as Qatar and Mongolia, he does have a good frame and moves well but is not NBA level. Izzet Turkyilmaz the 7 footer from Turkey may not be back either as he is only averaging around 3.2 ppg for his Turkish club and hasn’t really shown any progress.

  • Furious_Stylez

    I said it the moment I heard about the McGee contract and I’ll say it again: He’s not going anywhere until the deal is expiring. Nobody is taking on $20m+ of an injured McGee, so stop with the trade talk. It ain’t happening. All we can hope is Shaw gets through to him and helps him develop into a Center that can walk and chew gum at the same time. He’s never gonna be Howard, Noah, DJordan, or Hibbert. The most we can hope for is he becomes a competent defender and a good P&R guy on offense.

    Unpopular opinion alert: If the Nuggets want to be a serious playoff team, they need to find (and start grooming) a new PG. Wall should be the prototype. He’s 6-4, a good defender, a good passer and a solid scorer. Wash only uses Miller less than 10min a night because Wall can handle the load on both sides of the floor. Lawson can score driving the lane. That’s about it. He’s an average shooter and can’t guard anyone. He should be the second or third scoring option, maybe even the sixth man, but never the first option. No more starters under 6-2. Outside of Iverson, no little guard has led their teams anywhere.

    In the draft, they need to take a dominant wing scorer. Gallinari and Chandler are too fragile to be relied on anymore. Harris and Stauskas would be ideal. This team needs guys who can play now. No more projects (like Fournier, Hamilton, QMiller).

    • Aaron Durkin

      wall would be the 5th best PG in the west. He and the Wiz are lucky they play out east.

      • Furious_Stylez

        That’s why I said “Prototype”. Wall took a little too long to develop for a #1 overall pick, but at this point, I’d trade Lawson for Wall in a heartbeat. Lawson is very limited and when the pressure is on, he can’t guard anyone, especially on a switch.

        • LBJ

          Wall in only 23 years old. Every GM in the NBA (probably even Timmy) would deal Lawson for him.

        • Aaron Durkin

          do you really think any PGs gaurds any one in this league. I want a PG who can run the offence and does not make bone head plays at the end of the game. The way the NBA is reffed these days it is almost better if you dont have your PG even try to play D. I know I am byassed and a hommer but wall was a bust in tell this year. I lived in DC when they sigend him to the big contract and people were pissed due to his lack of effort and over all attitude towards the game. I think his succsess lies more with the maturity of Beal then walls maturity this season. I see him more as a Tyrek Evans type that if taken out of his current situation he would fail. I think Lawson is a better player. But I know becouse John Wall went to a all star game and has a commercial he is a better player.

          • Heisenberg

            Any NBA GM that agreed with this ideology would be immediately fired.

            • Aaron Durkin

              you probebly think kyre irving is a good point gaurd to

              • Heisenberg

                Well Kyrie Irving fits your criteria of a PG who runs the offense and doesn’t play good D.

          • Furious_Stylez

            I don’t give a crap how many commercials or shoe deals Wall has. I understand he’s a celebrity due to the market he plays in. Lawson is not a great PG. He’s just good. On a championship team, he’s a sixth man at best. Take away the lane and Lawson is near useless.

            If a playoff series came down to one play, who would you want to D up the ball handler: Tiny with no defense Lawson or any 6-2 PG with average D skills? I’ll take the latter (and I’m sure you’ll take Lawson, being a homer and all).

      • Heisenberg

        No he wouldn’t. Only CP3, Curry, and Westbrook are better.

    • Dubs

      Contrary to the unpopular opinion, I think the Lawson you guys have can become a special player in the league. He has a better mid-range jumper than everyone thinks and I don;t think that ability showed late in the regular season because he was dealing with some injuries. I personally think Lawson has a complete pick-and roll game, he can shoot 3’s, penetrate off the pick, and take the mid range shot to keep defenders honest.

      • LBJ

        Lawson is a good PG and one of our top 2 players. However, that position is loaded in the NBA – which results in him ranking in the middle of the pack of PGs.

      • heykyleinsf

        you’re absolutely right.. he’s unquestionably our best player and our leader. Unquestionably our best player. but you forgot to mention his crossover. i don’t think anyone in the NBA is as agile as Lawson with that.

      • Heisenberg

        The biggest issue with Lawson is and always will be defense. The offensive skills are very solid, but his size really limits his defensive ability.

  • Andrew

    Well, Jackson, the guy who beat Karl, is out as coach of GS. Think GS will hire Karl?

    • Furious_Stylez

      No. I think many front offices in the Western Conf are over GK as a coach. He just has no clue how to coach playoff defense or a half court offense (both are essential to win in the West). However, GK will be a frontrunner for the next job with a young team in the East that opens up. In the East, all you need is offense and GK knows how to coach it.

    • Heisenberg

      That would be funny. He’d kick our asses next year if that happened.

      I don’t see his name being mentioned early on but that could change.

      • heykyleinsf

        yeah. 10 years.. what.. 8 first round exits?

        Look at all the teams lining up.

        • Heisenberg

          If you can’t see that Karl is significantly better than Shaw at this point then there is nothing to talk about.

          And if we’re being totally honest, just after the GS series loss I would’ve agreed with you. I wanted Karl gone (I never saw him as mediocre though, which is what some here think). However, after watching this season I wish the Nuggets kept him for another year or two. There’s clearly a big gap between Shaw and Karl and it showed. Let’s be clear: Karl is no Pop, Larry Brown, etc. But he got 57 wins out of a team that realistically should have won 45-50. They had no star player and lost (IMO) their second best player a few weeks before the playoffs. If they had Gallo, would the series have been different? Maybe, maybe not. I do think they would’ve had a better shot at stopping Golden State’s guards.

          • Andrew

            I agree with most of what you say here, though I still think Karl got outcoached by Jackson last year. I think Karl will coach again, but it won’t be for a good team. It will be for a team that needs to get out of a pattern of poor or mediocre play. He’s a great regular season coach and can get a team to the next level. I know I’m mixing apples and oranges, but it reminds me of when the Broncos, way back in the day, fired Red Miller within a year or two of getting the Broncos to their first Super Bowl, and then fired Dan Reeves after losing several more. Each of those two coaches were good for what they did and got the Broncos to the next level, but it took Shanny, and his relationship with Elway, etc, to take the team to the top.

            • LBJ

              Yes, I agree that this is a little apples and oranges – coaching is more important in the NFL than the NBA. The Broncos rise to the top was also significantly aided by improved personnel (see Terrell Davis).

  • Aaron Durkin

    Ha Ha that is Karma for IGGY. He can now ride the pine for cheap team that will probebly sell there good players.

    • Heisenberg

      I highly doubt that. They’ll be even better next year, if anything.

      • Aaron Durkin

        you think? It seems like there was a lot of things going on behind closed doors with jackson and the fact that the players supported him ( at least curry) makes me belive that it was not there idea to get rid of him. I bet they trade Bouget or Lee and one of there SG/SF they have.

        • Heisenberg

          They went 7 against a really good Clippers team, without Bogut. Jackson appealed to players but the next coach can too. His assistants did more of the X and O work anyway. Jackson’s a great motivator though.

          • heykyleinsf

            pretty sweet double standard you got going there…

            Nuggets had the EXACT same record and seed as the LAC did last year.

            But somehow.. The Warriors are better this year for winning against us and losing against them.

            Tell me some more about basketball, could you?

            • gimpcom187

              Different seasons. Nugs missing 2nd/3rd best player in galloand 4th best player played injured relatively mediocre in faried. In addition the lac had 2 of the 3 best players in their series with no injuries and 2 top 10 players. As weve proven over and over having 2 all stars gives you your best shot.

              Also the nugs point differential was 5th best in league last season and lac 2nd best this season 2 pts better than nugs. So even without taking into account huge injury difference the clippers were a superior team

              As per usual no contextualization. Your welcome.

            • Heisenberg

              Well, GS had some bad luck with injuries to Iggy and Bogut (I believe Lee was also out for a couple weeks). They bring back basically everyone. Depends on who they bring in as their next coach but I see them getting better next season.

              And the Nuggets clearly overachieved last year. The talent on that team should’ve produced between 45-50 wins, not 57. This Clippers squad is FAR better than Denver’s team last season.

              • heykyleinsf

                bad luck with injuries..
                you don’t say.

                Gee I hope that never happens to the team I like.
                Sounds horrible that does.

              • Heisenberg

                Having injuries still doesn’t excuse poor coaching decisions. Pretty sure Phil Jackson didn’t have Shaq launching 3 pointers if Kobe wasn’t playing.

              • Andrew

                Possibly, though I would argue that the biggest difference in the Clippers has been picking up a winning coach. They were arguably underachieving until Rivers came along…and I do not think it was as noticeable until the playoffs. They just ooze confidence and savvy now.
                I do not think the Nuggets were overachieving by that much last year (with a healthy Gallo, anyway). Without Gallo, though, yeah, maybe they are 7-10 wins worse. Shaw’s inexperience cost them games this year, for sure, but the “nice” thing is that, with all of the injuries, this was a burn year anyway. Man, I wish we could just fastforward to the draft to see who the Nuggets get to work with. Weird to think how one rookie player could change their personnel strategy so much going forward.

      • heykyleinsf

        NOT A CHANCE IN HELL.
        Bogut’s contract is up.
        Curry and Barnes are underpaid.
        Lee swells to $15M.
        And most of all … Iggy “6ppg” will still be bloodletting them.
        Brand new coach.
        Monumental pressures.
        Other teams rising.
        Dubs? Maybe in five years if they can miraculously
        hang on to Curry somehow still.

        • gimpcom187

          Bogut signed an extension. It depends on the coach. It is the most appeling position likely to open this year unless okc does. Van gundy and kerr would be fools not to consider. As would gk. That team already played very good defense so his offensive schemes could be helpful. Its hard to have an offensive genius like curry on the team and not be a top 10 offense.

          lee trade for an upgrade at pf is their goal. Love is their dream scenario.

          • heykyleinsf

            ok fair enough.. thanks for updating me.
            But they still will be strapped for cap room to bring depth in.. and have most their bench out of a deal.

            It’s a seriously tall order to expect an improved team somehow.. they don’t have the money (spent most of that last year making room for Iggy and now Bogut)…
            And not only Jackson was fired.. but nearly the whole staff.

            I honestly have a very hard time seeing that team improved.

            • Heisenberg

              They won 51 this year. I see them winning 55-58 depending on who they hire.

  • heykyleinsf

    Warriors just fired Jackson.

    Great job Iggy. 2 for 2 in the last 2 years.

    Good luck with that Dubs.

    Everyone else pays the price for the guy who
    “does so much that doesn’t show up in the stat line”

    Yeah.

    Like getting head coaches fired.

    • Dubs

      Good coach. Phony as hell though. As for Iggy, I don’t think he is the center of all of these problems like most people think.

      If we got a George Karl, I think we would be headed in the right direction.

      • Dubs

        Replying to LBJ’s comment currently in moderation.

        Very bush league. I would also add that the extortion case with his stripper did not do anything to help him either. And proclaiming to the media that the Nuggets were dirty despite being the other way around. And being against “false hustle” even though he was known for doing that throughout his NBA career.

        I’m going to miss his implementation of our offense, but I will not miss him as a person one bit.

        • heykyleinsf

          well that takes balls as big as church bells to admit.
          I like this guy.

      • LBJ

        Sounds like Jackson was a jerk to everyone in the organization. Pretty bush league to fire anyone in front of the whole team.

    • Heisenberg

      Only a true troll would pin Jackson’s firing on Iggy, even though he clearly had nothing to do with it.

      • heykyleinsf

        dude.. don’t respond and feed me.
        I’m getting under your skin aren’t I?

        Only a true Nuggets hater would still like that jerk.

        I think there’s some big time frauds here.

        • Heisenberg

          Funny stuff. I’m not a fan of Iggy, but I also don’t have an irrational, obsessed hatred of him. He left, get over it. Acting like he was responsible for Jackson’s firing in anyway is disingenuous and you know it. Total troll post.

          You want to know what’s worse, though? What Dwight Howard did to Orlando. Now THAT is leaving.

          Just curious, do you also hate Melo?

          • heykyleinsf

            No. Melo did us good.
            Iggy went right to the team that broke our heart.
            Made plans about it while they were doing it.

            And by the way?
            Not buying your all the sudden casual indifference.

            When you call me names dude..
            You’re upset.
            Nice try.. but you’re transparent.

            • LBJ

              Yeah, Melo really “did us good.” Refused to sign with the nuggets, even when offered millions more in salary than he could have received as a free agent. But before he announced he was leaving, he made it clear he might stay if greatly improved the team – which led us to signing Big Al to a huge contract. Fortunately, Ujiri was here to clean up the mess.

              I love how Phil is putting the screws to Melo in his contract negotiations.

              • heykyleinsf

                you bet dude.
                You bet.
                A fraction of what Melo did for us help was get IGGY.
                Who was a waste.
                We could be looking at two first round picks right now.
                11th and 12th..

                BUT NOO!!!

                I’m disgusted from the bottom of my coiled intestines
                with people who like IGGY…
                After all he cost us and did to us.
                GIVE ME A BREAK.

              • LBJ

                I don’t follow your convoluted logic whereby Melo “helped us get Iggy” – but that is nothing new.

                The Iggy trade not only significantly upgraded our talent – but also let us dump Harrington’s contract. Perhaps you didn’t notice, but we set a franchise record in wins last year.

  • heykyleinsf
  • heykyleinsf

    FWIW the Bleacher Report’s mock draft has Gary Harris coming to us at #11.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2039224-2014-nba-draft-eligibility-deadline-official-2-round-mock-draft/page/12

    • Darian Williams

      The real question is if our front office would actually pull the trigger.

      • Dubs

        Either between him or Stauskas.