BREAKING: Nuggets have no luck, remain at 11

In a development that shouldn’t surprise anyone, the Nuggets did not move up into the top three on draft night. Instead, the Cleveland Cavaliers landed the top pick for the third time in the last four years despite having only a 1.7 percent chance of winning the lottery. If you want to look at the glass half empty (as I surely do right now) Denver had a 1.5 percent chance of winning the lottery between the 11th and 12th picks and not only failed to move up, but also lost the 12th pick to the Orlando Magic as part of the Andre Iguodala trade which really isn’t working out well for the Nuggets at the moment.

Please leave your thoughts and comments on this unfortunate (but highly predictable) night below.

 

  • Poz303

    Unbelievable :(

    Thought the basketball gods might final smile upon us.

    How can Cleveland continue to suck? They’ll pick Embiid who will be injured most his career and end up with another first pick next year.

    • alex47666

      You’re an idiot if you actually think that

  • Aaron Durkin

    Trade this pick for some one. I would rather have a NBA ready guy then the project we will have at 11.

    • mike gomez

      we could could use it to trade up or draft gary harris who good two way player

      • Ball Sackmaster

        Harris sucks at D from what I hear

        • mike gomez

          who said that??

    • sharkbait

      We need to take the pick or package it and move up. Frankly, I think we should try to get 2 picks in this draft. Move up and get Gordon and then trade with a team like Phoenix and get Lavine or Stauskas. This team needs a star, getting another veteran gets us nowhere except locked in mediocrity.
      The draft is a crapshoot but it’s the only way a team like Denver gets a star.

      • mike gomez

        boston,kings and lakers would be looking to trade their pick so its possbile

        • sharkbait

          Orlando needs a point guard so I’ll throw this one out there. Ty Lawson, #11 and our 2 second round picks for #4 and #12. We draft Exum and the best player available at #12. Orlando gets what they need and we get a potential star plus we gain some salary cap flexibility. We’ll also probably get a high pick next year so now we’ll have some players to build around.

          • mike gomez

            i just don’t see that happening, i think the magic would rather use this pick and get exum who has long term potential. i could see trade with the kings who are looking for vets for the pick

            • sharkbait

              I agree it’s a long shot and the Kings are a more likely candidate. The question is the player we would get at #7 potentially better than what we would give up. Giving up Lawson would be out of the question for just #7 and would Chandler + #11 be enough? I do think #7 would get you Gordon.

              • mike gomez

                package of Evans and chandler maybe

          • Andrew

            Interesting. When I saw some of the recent mock drafts, it looks like both LaVine and Stauskas will be there at 11. What about taking one of them and trading Chando to Orlando for the 12 and maybe taking that PF from Michigan State, Adreian Payne? He has size. If he can defend the post, he could compliment Faried maybe. Seems to have some offensive skill and shoots some 3s, too. I don’t know, just throwing it out there.

            • sharkbait

              I think Orlando has young players like Harkless and Harris that play the same position as Chandler but Phoenix I’m sure wants to trade at least one of their 3 1st round picks. Payne would probably be available at #14 or #18. If we were to pick Payne we would need to get rid of at least 1 of our power forwards.

              • Andrew

                Phoenix it is! Get rid of Hickson and draft Payne. I just read a story about him. Started b ball a little later, but is willing to learn, is a mature 23 and has dealt with a lot of adversity. I like his temperament based on the writeup…and he is #1 all time at MSU in blocked shots.

              • mike gomez

                you really think the suns want someone out with acl right now??

              • Andrew

                No, but sharkbait said we would need to give up a PF if we drafted Payne, so I offered Hickson. For that pick, do you think Phx would take Chando?

              • LBJ

                Don’t forget overpaid and not very good. Hell will freeze over before the suns make any trade like this.

          • wij

            Why would Orlando not just take Exum themselves?

            • sharkbait

              They probably would that’s why it’s a long shot. They might want an established PG of the quality of Lawson if the offer is right but I think it’s a longshot. I think the Nuggets should do anything they can to increase their probability of getting a star even if that means trading Lawson and blowing up their team.

    • gimpcom187

      who would you like to get in a trade? (at 11 I would agree the player they draft is unlikely to be much beyond a good starter) If they could pry monroe from Pistons I could see that as potentially valuable piece. If you’re talking about getting some above average starter who is 27+ years old then I couldn’t disagree more (which is likely the scenario)

    • Heisenberg

      They should only trade it if they can dump McGee’s contract. Maybe Hickson/Chandler.

  • Nugman

    Shaw can’t even do a good job a the lottery….

    • Nugman

      …..I couldn’t resist

      • heykyleinsf

        If this is any indication… I feel sorry for anyone in your life that similarly gets all the blame for your disappointments. I’m hoping this is the limit of your convenient scapegoats.. but I’m pretty much guessing.. it goes further than this.

        • gimpcom187

          he was obviously joking. Also glass houses and stones with you my friend.:-)

          • heykyleinsf

            glass houses and stones? How was this about me getting insulted?

            • gimpcom187

              I feel sorry for anyone”…. blah blah blah. Thats your glass house

      • Ckwizard

        Lol good one!

    • mike gomez

      really dude??

  • heykyleinsf

    Cleveland is picking first overall for the 3rd time in 4 years.
    Something is pretty flawed about this tanking system.

    I’m happy at 11th. The higher the better of course..
    but I’m pretty confident there are more than ten NBA-ready
    basketball players out of college and all over the world.

    I’m not too disappointed.. wasn’t expecting anything else.
    Don’t know why I would.. and don’t honestly see it as any big deal.

  • wij

    if nuggs had lots 4 more games they would have been in the cavs spot…

    • gimpcom187

      tanking breeds a losing culture. How dare you? ;-)

      • wij

        exactly – so I bet there was at least 4 games where the other team would have been doing all it could to loose! : )

  • heykyleinsf

    FWIW.. Foxsports mock has us taking Julius Randle.
    Before the season, Bleacher Report had him as a possible #1 overall.

    • Heisenberg

      What? Foxsports has Randle going 4th. There’s no way he falls outside the top 6.

      And virtually anyone can write on BR, making it useless anyway.

      • heykyleinsf

        It was Yahoo sports not Fox.. sorry
        but yes.. Yahoo has us taking Randle.

        http://sports.yahoo.com/news/2014-nba-mock-draft–lottery-edition-021401275.html

        • Heisenberg

          That mock is hilarious, they have Phoenix taking 3 SG’s. That’s their strongest position…..

          • heykyleinsf

            hey I didn’t write it.. I said FWIW.
            Also..
            the guy that wrote the article on Randle being in the argument for #1 overall …
            He also has been read by 55,000,000 viewers..
            FWIW and the uselessness you feel about him.
            he also wrote the article in November.
            We’re all speculating right now.. ok?

            Here’s that link
            http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1848808-the-case-for-julius-randle-as-top-overall-pick-in-the-2014-nba-draft

            This constant need to argue with me.
            What’s with that?
            It’s just opinion.

            • Heisenberg

              It’s the only source I can find that has Randle falling that much. Most other sources have him going 4-7. If they draft a big, it’s more likely they get Saric than Randle.

              This draft is kind of a crap shoot outside the top 7 or so. I hope Denver hits a home run but it’s more likely the guy they draft will have a ceiling of being a solid starter.

              • heykyleinsf

                I’m not thinking we get Randle.

                I can’t wait though.
                Whomever it is.. I’m excited.

              • Heisenberg

                It’s looking like they’re going to get James Young, Stauskas, Saric, or MAYBE Harris (but I think Harris will be top 10). I’m excited as well to see who they draft.

              • heykyleinsf

                a few have us with Zach Lavine as well.
                He had a monster combine.
                He’s raw as hell.. a little low on production..
                but reminds a lot of people of Russell Westbrook..
                hopefully not in personality though.

              • Heisenberg

                Meh, Westbrook was a lot more polished coming into the league. I do think that is his potential is high. Just wish his defense was better.

  • Heisenberg

    Supposedly the Kings are shopping the 8th pick. Maybe the Nuggets could make a deal? They might have to take on a bad contract but it could be an opportunity to dump Chandler or Hickson.

    • Bryan

      Chandler is on a pretty team friendly contract…why would you want to dump him? I can’t imagine them being able to get rid of Hickson or McGee given their injuries.

      I’ll be pretty pleased if they can at the very least dump Anthony Randolph on someone since he’s basically just wasting a roster spot.

      • Heisenberg

        Chandler’s still being paid far too much. Trading McGee is nearly impossible, but if they traded with Sacramento they’d get a bad contract (albeit for Hickson). Landry, Terry, Williams and Thompson all have pretty bad contracts.

        • Bryan

          By NBA standards, Chandler isn’t being paid too much especially when compared to a lot of the other contracts out there.

          Dumping him for financial reasons just to get rid of him and taking on a terrible contract just to move up 3 spots doesn’t make much sense to me.

          • Heisenberg

            He’s not Joe Johnson overpaid, but I still wouldn’t mind getting rid of his contract.

    • heykyleinsf

      I would love this.. hope so.

  • Bryan

    Given Connelly’s talk of being aggressive, I think they’re going to trade up since I don’t think there is any veteran they could trade for that would make a difference and actually want to stay here. Think they go after Exum.

    Afflalo and a lottery pick for a one year rental of AI which didn’t even result in the Nuggets out of the first round this in combination with the McGee contract has really caused the shine on Masai to fade. I’m actually starting to think him leaving wasn’t just about money but the realization he’d made some serious blunders.

    • Heisenberg

      Exum will probably go top 5. Outside of trading Lawson, there’s no way they’ll get the opportunity to trade that high.

      • mike gomez

        utah 5th pick might become available, so their is lot possibltiy

        • Heisenberg

          Utah wants to trade up, not down.

          • mike gomez

            1-4 will trade down and utah might be looking to trade for veteran as well sense they already have a bunch of young players, and they dont have have a need at that spot.

            • LBJ

              Utah tanked all year for a high pick. They aren’t going to deal it for one of our journeymen.

              • mike gomez

                they didn’t try to tank they just were not good, sense they didn’t get top 3 they dont have a need at their spot. so they might be looking at vets. they might consider if we offer chandler,faried and another body or future pick

              • Heisenberg

                Utah wants a star, not a bunch of supplementary pieces.

              • mike gomez

                well they aint getting any for the 5 pick, i still think they will consider a pakage of Chandler,faried and whatever else they include. utah needs a shooting guard, and they wont be having that with the fifth pick.

              • Heisenberg

                Any deal would surely need to involve Lawson. And I’m not sure they’d even be interested in Lawson since they probably want to see what they have with Burke. They aren’t going to accept a bench player and a PF that can’t shoot or defend. They haven’t even said they’re interested in trading down.

                Utah will likely take Exum, Randle, Vonleh, or Smart. All of whom have higher ceilings than anyone on the Nuggets roster. It isn’t going to happen. Best chance they have of moving up is with Sacramento.

              • mike gomez

                well i was saying chandler because they might not want to paid Hayward and faired well he still good rebounder and could well with their bigs. exum might be gone at 4 and draft vonleh wouldn’t make sense because they have favors and with smart they would be reaching and another move that wouldn’t make sense for them because like you said they want to develop burks

              • Heisenberg

                Favors can play Center if they draft Vonleh. If they took Smart, they could put him at the 2. The top 3 looks like it’ll be Wiggins, Embiid, and Parker in some order so there’s a fair chance Exum will still be there at 5.

                That just isn’t enough for the 5th pick in a deep draft. Maybe if they traded with Sac for the 8th they could use that to get up to 5th but that’s kind of a stretch.

              • mike gomez

                then what will they do with kanter?? again they will be reaching for smart and doubt the magic pass up on exum.

              • Heisenberg

                They’ve had Kanter come off the bench for most of the year.

              • mike gomez

                still got to try and develop him, they are not going to give up on a guy they got with the 3rd pick. plus they still got another center who we gave to them last year in the draft who still has to develop in Gobert.

              • Heisenberg

                They’d be giving up on Marvin Williams, not Kanter. Kanter could still get 25-30 MPG.

              • mike gomez

                how would that be if they are going to spits the mins with kanter,favors, and noah if they draft him. Marvin is a 3

              • Heisenberg

                Richard Jefferson started at the 3, Williams was at the 4. They’d put Vonleh at the 4 and have Favors at the 5, with Kanter coming off the bench.

              • LBJ

                Utah let MIllsap and Jefferson walk and took 2 expiring contracts for a #1. That is the definition of tanking. No way in hell they are taking Chandler or Hickson.

              • mike gomez

                no because they had two young guy ready to take their place and develop.

              • LBJ

                Other than maybe the 76ers, no team tanked more than the jazz. You clearly don’t know what the hell you are talking about.

              • mike gomez

                you don’t, because why would they resign them if they have two young big man ready for some playing time. they didnt trade for favors to be a backup and they didn’t take kanter at 3 to be a backup.

              • LBJ

                Trading for 2 expiring contracts of 2 stiffs – and getting a number 1 pick for doing it is tanking. Dumping Foye in the same deal is tanking. Telling your fans you are going with young players is code for tanking. Keeping the same worthless coach to insure you lose is tanking. Not acquiring a single FA that helps you win is tanking.

              • sharkbait

                I don’t have a problem with “tanking” if you have a plan. Is tanking worse than pretending you’re striving to be a contender when you don’t have the talent and you’re over the salary cap? Even by adding a veteran and by some miracle all of our injured players come back to play at their previous form we will be at best fighting for the 8th spot with Dallas and Phoenix. I think Utah looked at their team with Millsap and Jefferson and had a reality check. They weren’t ever going to get out of the bottom of the playoff seeding with that team and neither are we.

              • LBJ

                I’m just correcting the guy who said Utah was not tanking. I’ve been on record all year that the nuggets should have tanked also – for the reasons you cited. Plus the rare quality depth in draft this year.

      • Bryan

        I think Faried might get them up there as well…

        • Heisenberg

          Doubtful. People here seriously overrate Faried. He’s a decent starter, nothing more. At best Faried would net them the 8th pick in a trade with Sacramento, and even that may be a stretch.

          • Bryan

            NBA teams love to project value, so you never know. And I don’t overate him, I’m concerned he’ll get paid too much and won’t grow into the type of player that commands the salary that he’ll be getting and so will be a bad contract in a few years.

  • Aaron Durkin

    For all the people saying tanking is a good idea did you not notice Cleveland got the first pick again!!!! Teams that tank have a ceiling of the wiz this year. A decent team in a horrible conference. Trade this pick to a crappy franchise for a former lottery pick that is on the up and coming that can help now IE Arron Affolio.

    • Heisenberg

      Yeah, consistently being in the 6-8 seed range has really worked out for the Nuggets. First round exit and no real improvement in talent. This team has no star and it’s impossible to win without one.

      The Thunder sucked for several years and got Durant, Westbrook, Harden, and Ibaka out of it. Guess they were dumb for tanking, those 4 guys really are bums.

      • Bryan

        You just have to have a good front office in terms of talent evaluation and some luck. Had they won the lottery instead of Portland they would have almost certainly drafted Oden.

      • Aaron Durkin

        they got lucky with Durant and did not tank each year after that. plus players like Durant, Lebron, Rose are not in this draft or next so tanking right now will give you the roster you dread. the one with no all star noooooooooooooooo

        • Heisenberg

          How did they get lucky with Durant?

          There might not be any LeBron’s or Durant’s, but there are guys who can be like Wade, Melo, Paul George, etc.

          • Aaron Durkin

            Thunder have not won a championship and are going to be swept this year again in the western conference finals. So let’s be honest in less you are on a team with Lebron or the best coached team in the league spurs you are not going to win a championship. So would you rather have a really good western conference team that plays right and has good guys or turn in to Sacramento who has 6 lottery picks and still sucks. I love the growth from with in win now model the nuggets had for the last few years. I would be ok with trading down in this draft for a player but not up and throw off what we have already.

            • LBJ

              I would rather have the thunder talent. They have had some bad luck, losing Westbrook and Ibaka two years in a row, but they have a decent chance of winning a championship.

              FYI – the nuggets are not a real good team. We are also facing the possibility of getting passed by the kings next year.

              • Aaron Durkin

                3 seed two years ago and a better team then the Thunder. You guys are really stretching it trying to imply Ibaka is costing then a chance to beat the spurs. I watched the two blowouts and the spurs are a better team. If we went by your argument the spurs would be mediocre as well. Small PG over the hill players 4 years past there prime but even with the godly Durant and Westbrook the thunder have been blown out by a combined 50 over the last few games. I am not saying this team as constructed is better then the spurs but with a few tweaks wile keeping the core together they can make a run. The thunder, griz, and spurs are only going to get worse over the next few years.

              • Heisenberg

                Better team than the Thunder? Oh wow. What a homer. It’s better to have 2 stars (and one pretty good player in Ibaka) and scrubs than have a bunch of decent starters/rotational players. In the playoffs you need a top 15 (and often another top 30) player to win. It’s just how it is. There’s a reason 6-8 seeds rarely if ever make so much as the Conference Finals, let alone the NBA Finals.

                And again, OKC doesn’t have Ibaka who makes a HUGE impact against SA. Look up his stats against them, SA has no answer for him. Zach Lowe did a fantastic piece on Ibaka’s impact.

                The Spurs also have 3 Hall of Famers and the Greatest Coach of all time (arguably). OKC has the second best player in the league, a top 5 point guard and a very good player in Ibaka (all three better than anyone on Denver’s roster). Memphis has a top 5 C, a very good PF in Randolph and a solid PG in Conley. The only above average starter Denver has is Lawson. If Gallo returns to his previous level then he would be their second.

                PS: Next season is probably the last for the Spurs big 3 (their contracts all expire and it would seem fitting for them all to go out together). Thunder will still be strong. Grizzlies may lose Randolph, which will hurt, so they may fade back. Houston, Clippers, Golden State, Portland, and OKC should all be better.

            • Heisenberg

              They don’t have Ibaka, which is a huge loss for OKC. Ibaka has owned the Spurs.

              Denver is not that good. They will be lottery bound again, barring significant roster changes.

      • heykyleinsf

        3rd seed last year.

        • Heisenberg

          With Iggy, a healthy Gallo, and an above average coach.

          • heykyleinsf

            IDK .. I think Iggy is the most over rated player in basketball.
            I think Karl sucks in the playoffs.. which also means he’s useless. Of course we miss Gallo. And I would say Brewer was under rated for what he contributed.

            But I agree we’re definitely 2nd tier.
            I hope it changes.. but I’ll also tell you..
            if it doesn’t.. I won’t be changing my favorite team.
            Loved this team for 20 years.
            Not about to stop now.

            • Heisenberg

              Iggy still brought quite a bit of value, particularly on defense. Karl, while not a top tier coach, was still above average. 57 wins was not expected considering the talent was closer to a 45-50 win team.

              The NBA is just a league where, unless you’re a top 5-6 team, you really don’t have much of a chance. It’s rare to see 6-8 seeds win a round in the playoffs (particularly the West), much less the conference finals. I also hope it changes, but I’m not holding my breath.

              • heykyleinsf

                same four teams this year.
                I’m sure it will go down to the same two again this year.
                i think the Spurs take it this year.. but that still leaves
                some 25 or so teams kidding themselves.
                It’s been this way for 35 years.

                Which makes me shake my head when I see
                the vitriol and complete blame on Shaw.

              • Heisenberg

                It’s not all on Shaw. The front office deserves blame as well.

              • Bryan

                Unless George Karl is the coach of one of those teams with the better seed his teams have been upset more than once.

              • Heisenberg

                Other than Golden State (who had underachieved during the season), that didn’t happen while in Denver.

              • Bryan

                Because the Nuggets teams constantly underachieved. Especially, when the front office gave him two superstars and the DPOY. Also, it probably would have happened again if he hadn’t been sick when they got upset by the Jazz.

                Karl is worse than Peyton Manning in the post season.

              • Heisenberg

                AI and Melo wouldn’t work with any coach, you can only have one player that demands the ball. The only pretty good second option Melo had was in Chauncey Billups, and they went to the WCF.

                If you really think Karl is mediocre then obviously you didn’t watch this year. While he’s not Pop/Larry Brown, he’s a solid coach. There are very few guys who can exceed the talent. Usually you need a top 15 and another top 30 player to be a contender. They also need to fit well together. Kobe and Melo wouldn’t work well together either. Karl didn’t get that until Chauncey arrived.

                PS the Nuggets were 2nd in the West when Karl went out. Dantley had no idea what he was doing, you could have pulled someone off the street and they would have done as well as AD.

        • sharkbait

          3rd seed last year who almost got swept, with home court, against the GSW. In the Western Conference you have to have stars or you go nowhere in the playoffs.

    • Bryan

      To be fair, Cleveland is an incompetently run organization. I mean none of the experts saw Bennett as worth of the number one pick and his unimpressive season demonstrated its front office had no idea what it was doing.

      As did re-hiring the coach they fired a couple of years ago to a five year contract, only to fire him again after one season.

      Also, Afflalo wasn’t a lottery pick.

      • Aaron Durkin

        I know he was not but he is a good example of a player that is underutilized, matured at the NBA level, and is ready to break out. there are plenty of players that where high draft picks on teams that where just not ready for the NBA at 19 or 20 that we can get for cheap.

    • Nugzfan

      #11 and Q for TRoss and #20

      • LBJ

        We don’t want Timmy making any deals with Masai. That won’t end well for the nuggets.

  • Furious_Stylez

    Hopefully the idea that the “NBA lottery is rigged” can be put to rest once and for all. In a lottery with the Lakers and Celtics, Cleveland is hardly the team Silver wanted to get the first pick. Cleveland will be taking Wiggins. Irving, Waiters, Wiggins, Thompson, and Varejo would be a 3 or 4 seed in the East (barring no injuries).

    Hopefully Harris is at 11. Adding a 6-4 SG that isn’t a liability on defense would be great. It would allow Shaw to play bigger backcourt lineups against physical teams. Staukas would be good too, but reports say he is bad on D and we clearly don’t need any more crappy defensive players.

    That being said, hopefully Connolly is calling SVG and asking about trading for Monroe. As much as I like Faried, Monroe fits the system Shaw wants to run. Monroe also has much more upside. He and McGee would own the paint.

    • Heisenberg

      There were some reasons/scenarios to suggest the lottery is rigged. Bulls winning the Rose lottery, Cavs winning LeBron, Knicks getting Ewing, etc etc. Milwaukee getting the 2nd pick to me shows this wasn’t rigged.

      Monroe’s solid but I’d want an extension signed before the pick’s moved.

    • Andrew

      I like this. That would leave the Nuggets to go after the best SG available in a draft that seems to have a few good ones.

    • LBJ

      I’ve been calling for Harris for a couple of months. Unfortunately, he is only 6’2″. Anyone playing for Izzo is going to be a solid defender.

  • alex47666

    Hope we trade up, and get smart. He would really be great at the 2 spot for us, he can drive at will create for others and play solid defense. Teams couldnt just focus on ty anymore with smart and gallo on the wing.

    • http://batman-news.com Ezio Martinez

      trade up means we will lose lawson,i don’t hope to see that.we already have lawson,why we need Smart?in addition,Smart seems like an emotional guy and easily blow up.although he’s got a face that could be a star.but he is more selfish,hardly pass the ball to carry the team.i think we can gamble on LaVine.he is an active guy,full of passion and energy,and he can shoot the ball.since there are not so many star-potential guys left at our spot,i think we can pick him up as our plan A. he is just 19.given time,maybe next westbrook for him! but we’ll see what tim will do,he says he needs a piece of jisaw,maybe he will trade for love ,but just a impossible wish and a slim chance.love will not stay long in Denver.just see what will happen on the draft night!i hope nuggs can get rid of Randolph,to trade for a sec round pick or something.i don’t wanna see his face anymore.

      • Heisenberg

        Smart’s best case scenario is similar to D-Wade. While I’m not sure he’ll reach that level, I know that Lawson isn’t good enough to lead a team deep in the playoffs.

        • heykyleinsf

          IDK.. I think that’s unfair. Ty really hasn’t ever had a lot of help. You can look at LaBron in Cleveland and even Melo here.. and argue the same things.
          Ty has nearly often single-handedly carried this team.
          To insinuate that he’s a liability..
          just seems heartless and insane to me.

          • Heisenberg

            Ty is a mediocre defender (mostly due to his size) but he’s certainly had a fair supporting cast. He certainly isn’t a top 5 PG, maybe not even top 10 (though it is debatable). Denver needs a star, that’s the bottom line. Lawson’s skills will decline once he gets older and loses his speed/athleticism. I’m certainly not opposed to trading him in exchange for moving up. I wouldn’t do it for the Kings pick but if they could trade him for a top 6 pick then I’d probably pull the trigger.

            He’s not a liability by any means, nor did I imply that. Realistically Lawson’s the second or third best player on a championship contender. Nothing wrong with that.

            • heykyleinsf

              I accept your opinion and your philosophy..
              but there’s such a thing of endless blowing up and starting again.. at some point you start with something.
              You take Lawson away from this team right now..
              this becomes a lost team.
              Ty is under rated.
              No he’s not CP3.. but I’m hard pressed to imagine
              very many teams in the NBA that have a single player
              that means more to them than Ty does for the Nuggets.

              Let’s get Ty some help. He’s a big part of our team identity. I don’t think it’s fair to evaluate him amongst
              the rest of the league.. It’s like saying Birdman is better because of Wade and James.. But Ty can be fairly judged without anyone (I’m not saying you said that).. Stockton had Malone. Ty has never really had anyone but Gallo.
              What would Stockton have been without him?

              • Heisenberg

                They had something with Melo. Specifically, when they acquired Chauncey. But after Melo wanted out, it was time for the team to begin the rebuilding process. In all honesty the needs this team has can’t be filled unless considerable assets are moved. And the only tradeable assets are Lawson, Faried, Mozgov, and maybe Gallo (though it would be for $0.50 on the dollar). If they’re serious about moving up, it’s going to take Lawson.

                It’s hard to get Lawson help considering they’re capped out and don’t have a top 6 pick. The guy they draft is likely to max out as a solid starter, but not a star. And by the time he develops, Lawson might not be that good anymore. I’d rather get something for Lawson while it’s still possible. His game just isn’t likely to age well.

              • sharkbait

                Ty’s a better than average PG and no more. He can’t defend, he can’t finish at the rim and he doesn’t have the lateral quickness of PG’s like Parker and Paul and he’s the best player we’ve got. Frankly, this would be a great time to blow up the team for most of the playoff teams are entrenched for the next couple of years, barring unforeseen injuries, and there are reasonably good draft years coming up. If the Nuggets brass are smart they will see that this team is locked in mediocrity and do all they can do to move up and draft someone who they can actually build a team around.

            • Aaron Durkin

              You would trade Lawson for the 6th pick?????? No way you trade him for any thing less then top 4.

              • Heisenberg

                Probably. You’d get Randle/Smart/Vonleh. They all have higher ceilings than Ty and this team isn’t going anywhere without a star so why not.

              • sharkbait

                Or maybe even Gordon, I agree, the Nuggets need to take some chances and Ty Lawson is the best and really the only good trading chip they have. I would make this trade and at the same time try and keep #11 or trade for a later 1st round pick from maybe Phoenix, Chicago or OKC.