Roundball Roundtable: One fan’s offseason wish list

Every now and then Roundball Mining Company receives a fan e-mail worthy of more than just a quick read and response. Last week such a letter was sent our way from avid RMC reader and loyal Nuggets fan, Joe Karlik. In his message (presented below in italics) Joe outlined three main moves he felt the Nuggets needed to make this summer to put themselves in a position of success this upcoming season. Joe kindly asked for our thoughts on these issues, to which we’ve obliged his request in the form of our latest Roundball Roundtable. As always, feel free to leave your thoughts on the following subjects in the comments section below.

1) Trade J.J. Hickson

How many power forwards do the Nuggets need? Faried established himself as “The Guy” in the second half of the season, developing an ability to put the ball in the hoop without an Andre Miller alley-oop. (I was very down on Faried early in the season and was an advocate of trading him, but he made great strides and now I think the Nuggets need to re-sign him.) Darrell Arthur is an important rotation player who is far more valuable than Hickson. And my optimistic personality thinks that Arthur will work hard on extending his shooting ability to the 3-point line which will make him even more valuable. And then you think about the ability for Gallo to play small-ball four. Although he does some nice things and brings energy, Hickson is far too inconsistent and redundant on this roster, especially with Faried.

Tom: Agree? No. Why? Hickson probably shouldn’t play more than spot minutes behind Faried and Arthur when healthy, and when injured he’s just taking up a roster spot and some cap room. But the Nuggets don’t need the roster spot or the cap room until next offseason, so why pay some other team to take him right now? (Other) Possible Targets: Wait for Hickson to be healthy and some other team’s power forward to be injured, and then trade him for an expiring contract.

Charlie: Agree? Yes. Why? I cringed seeing Hickson forced into a big role night after night while more effective players like Timofey Mozgov and Darrell Arthur watched from the sidelines. Hickson had a profound negative effect on most lineups and the Nuggets proved they have quality frontcourt depth after he went down with an injury. He could be hard to move but the Nuggets would be wise to balance out their roster by removing the most extraneous bits. Hickson could still make sense for a team like the Brooklyn Nets instead of continuing to provide redundant depth with the Nuggets. (Other) Possible Targets: Cap relief, draft assets or expiring contracts. The Nuggets will be better off admitting their mistake and moving ahead with a more-than-adequate front court.

Vytis: Agree? Yes. Why? I’m one of the biggest J.J. Hickson critics and was against signing him in the first place, so I’m all for having him off the team. However, he will be coming off a serious injury and at this point I don’t see the Nuggets getting anything for him. If they could load him off onto a team for nothing or even squeeze out a second-round pick, I’d be happy. But I think Denver likes him and won’t move him even though the Nuggets’ frontcourt is going to be very crowded next season. (Other) Possible Targets: Anything that doesn’t jeopardize the team’s future flexibility.

Joel: Agree? Yes. Why? I’m agreeing in principle because I do think it’s a high priority for the Nuggets to get Hickson off their roster. His signing was Connelly’s worst move thus far, and his contract and roster spot inhibit Denver’s flexibility in doing things like extending Faried and signing free agents. That said, moving a defensive nightmare with a torn ACL may be near impossible in the short term, and the Nuggets may well have better opportunities to flip a Hickson trade at the deadline after he (hopefully) has proven he can still play. (Other) Possible Targets: If Connelly can swing anything of value in return for Hickson it should be considered gravy. The “target” should be increased minutes for Faried, Arthur, and perhaps even Chandler at the four, and even if nothing more than cap relief is received in return the Nuggets should consider themselves lucky.

2) Trade Wilson Chandler

This is the one tradeable guy who might have value on the open market. His contract is rather team friendly, but on a team that is handcuffed because of so many mid-level contracts, his becomes expendable. I’m hot and cold on Chandler. There are times where he looks like a lock-down defender and legitimate third scoring option, but sometimes he gets so three happy and shoots the Nuggets out of games. He’s good depth at small forward, but personally I think Quincy Miller can develop enough to become the backup three.

Tom: Agree? No. Why? When Chandler played alongside Gallinari and Iguodala a year ago he gave opposing teams fits on both ends of the court. If Gallinari is healthy and the Nuggets can pick up an athletic, defensive-minded shooting guard in the draft, Chandler can again be an X-factor as a backup three and stretch four. (Other) Possible Targets: If the team decides to move Chandler, why not bring back Afflalo? The salaries are similar, and Orlando could have a crowded backcourt if they draft Exum.

Charlie: Agree? No. Why? Chandler is the most sensible trade chip on the roster but I can’t help thinking the Nuggets are dealing him from a position of weakness, much like they are with the injured Danilo Gallinari. Chandler still has a place on a Brian Shaw team and stands to be more effective if he can remain healthy. After missing training camp and being sidelined with various injuries all year, Chandler never got going. Denver should explore a Chandler-Gallo pairing before being desperate to part with one of their better assets. (Other) Possible Targets: A better player on a more sensible contract. There aren’t a lot out there readily attainable in a trade for the oft-injured but productive Chandler.

Vytis: Agree? No. Why? Again, it depends on what you can get for Chandler, but I don’t think you can get much at this point. He had a mediocre season, which means that a potential return in a deal would likely also be mediocre. I think keeping him around and letting him boost his market value could make him a more attractive trading chip in the future, especially since the last year of his deal is a team option. (Other) Possible Targets: A reliable two-way shooting guard wouldn’t hurt. Randy Foye did a decent job as a starter last year, but you probably need someone better to make the playoffs.

Joel: Agree? No. Why? I understand the logic behind the argument for trading Chandler, and I am definitely not opposed to trading him if a good opportunity arises. But as of yet I’m less than confident in the ability of Miller and Fournier to fill the ostensible hole left by Wilson’s departure. At this point it’s fair to say that Chandler was a disappointment last season, but to me that doesn’t mean he isn’t valuable –- he’s just less valuable than many of us thought he was. Alongside Gallinari in 2012-13 he was part of Denver’s best defensive lineups, and while it seems now he’s more of a bench player than a starter, nearly any NBA team could do much worse for a backup small forward. (Other) Possible Targets: It’s very difficult to name specific trade targets for Chandler when I don’t think he necessarily should be traded, so in lieu of that I will say that at least one of two prerequisites should be met: 1) He’s packaged with Denver’s first-round pick to move up in the draft so they can acquire a true impact player; or 2) whatever trade he’s involved in brings Denver back a competent backup three.

3) Get an athletic shooting guard in the draft

I think both Gary Harris and Nik Stauskas will be available at 11. Either of these guys would be a great fit in the starting lineup with Lawson and Gallo. I personally like the ability and potential of Stauskas handling the ball so Lawson can play stretches at the two. But I think Harris would be a great pick as well. The Nuggets have depth at the three, four and five, and moving Foye to the bench will then create depth at the point. Two guard is the biggest need. I still hope Fournier develops into the right-handed Manu, but it will take more than the small step he took from year one to year two.

Tom: Agree? Yes. Why? This is both an area of need for the Nuggets, and an area of strength in this draft. It’s up to the Nuggets’ scouts, executives and coaches to figure out which guy has the right physical tools and mentality to be the shooting guard of the future, and then mold him into that. (Other) Possible Targets: Nik Stauskas, Gary Harris, Zach LaVine, James Young.

Charlie: Agree? No. Why? It is imperative to keep an open mind about drafting at number 11. Denver is within range of so many good prospects and if past drafts are any indication, expect the unexpected when it comes to the lottery. It just so happens this draft is heavy on the Nuggets biggest need with so many good wing players. However, there are just too many unknowns in a deep draft and number 11 is simply no place to draft for need. (Other) Possible Targets: Tentatively, I’ll go Harris, Stauskas, Young and LaVine. Vonleh and Gordon are can’t-miss if something crazy happens and one of them slips. Saric or McDermott slipping here is also something the Nuggets must be prepared for. A wing should be the best opportunity here but it’s far from a sure thing.

Vytis: Agree? Maybe. Why? I don’t follow college basketball enough, so it’s hard to say. I’m aware of how good the top guys are, but it’s apparently a pretty deep draft as well. The smartest thing to do would be to keep your options open and take the best talent available. If it’s an athletic two-guard it obviously wouldn’t hurt. (Other) Possible Targets: N/A.

Joel: Agree? Yes. Why? First off, I will qualify my agreement by saying that, while I agree that shooting guard is Denver’s greatest position of need, I don’t think that athleticism is necessarily a prerequisite. Among twos who may be in Denver’s draft range, neither Gary Harris nor Nik Stauskas have off-the-charts athleticism, but both have other skills (defense in Harris’ case, shooting in Stauskas’) which could prove to be just as valuable, if not more so, to the Nuggets. The appeal of athleticism, and the potential upside it promises, is understandable. But it can also lure teams into drafting players like Evan Turner and Nick Young. (Other) Possible Targets: Nate Robinson and Aaron Brooks (even if he re-signs) are not long for the Nuggets. Among the fan discussions that I’ve seen, point guard is an overlooked future need. It’s not only at the two, but at the guard position in general that Denver lacks depth going forward. If he’s still unclaimed when Denver’s number comes up, Gary Harris appears to be their best option in terms of having the best combination of combo guard abilities, defense, range and basketball IQ.

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  • heykyleinsf

    thanks guys.
    good points.

    I hope soon to read a discussion about Javale McGee next season.
    i’m curious about your thoughts of what to expect from him.

  • Poz303

    Not sure that JJ is as bad as everyone makes him out to be. In Portland he played a lot of 5. One of the reasons he signed with the Nuggets was on the promise he would get to play in his natural position (4). So what happens? He ends up playing the 5 for most of the year. Once he came off the bench playing the 4 he was actually pretty good. I think it was bad on the Nuggets coaching staff that it took so long to start a center… at center.

    As for duplication of skills, I think Gallo would be a better stretch 4 than Arthur (even Q. Miller may be a better stretch 4 in the future). Arthur is a ball stopper on offense. He definitely is our best defensive big but a poor rebounder. I am not advocating trading Darth over JJ but it’s not so clear cut and I would rather trade Randolph.

    I would keep Chandler cause it does allow you to move Gallo to the 4 at times for a potent small ball line-up. Not that it would be so small with a 6-8 SF and a 6-10 PF.

    As for the draft, I think we should look at Ariza or Sefolosha in FA. Giving us a good defensive SG who can also hit the open three. The draft is about BPA. At 11 that may well be a SG. If so, go for it,

    • Furious_Stylez

      You and I are the only 2 posters on the board who don’t despise Hickson. We understand that it was Shaw’s error for starting him at the 5 for 50+ plus games instead of playing Mozgov. When JJ went to the bench, which was his intended place when he was signed, he played extremely well and kept the energy on the floor up when Faried was taking a rest. As a starter, he’s somewhat of a disaster, but as a backup, he’s a value based off his contributions at $5m.

      I’ve been saying for a few months that the Nuggs should push hard for Sefolosha if they don’t draft a SG. He’s the defensive specialist needed to mask Lawson’s lack of size (and defense) issues.

      My only want for the draft is no foreign players. Very few of them work out immediately, if at all. They are not used to the aggressive play of the American game, especially in the post. This team needs guys who are ready to contribute now if they are eyeing the postseason anytime soon.

      • Aaron Durkin

        I love the Sefolosha idea. He is just the defender we need that can knock down 3s. He could play the role of Dahntay Jones. I have to disagree with not trading Hickson though. I would in a heart beat but with the ACL injury and the horrible contract there is no way we can move him.

        • mike gomez

          sefolosha is not player he was anymore, that why he is barley seeing the floor in the playoffs

          • Poz303

            He did suffer an injury before the playoffs but has had a hard time regaining form (especially his shot) but I would still take a good look at him in FA.
            COuld be that veteran presence that Shaw is looking for as well.

      • Poz303

        Well great minds think alike. Right? :)
        And agree with you that JJ should be the first PF off the bench, before his ACL he accepted that role and was contributing.

  • Josh Chin

    I’m not sure why Randy Foye isn’t good enough to start. I agree that sg is one of the weaker positions for the Nuggets but I felt that Foye did a good job and he surpassed my expectations.

    Sure it would be nice to move him to the bench and have an upgrade as a starter but even still; through the draft I dont see our #11 pick being great enough an upgrade at the 2 to make the Nuggets into a competitive (2nd round) playoff team

    • heykyleinsf

      Josh.. Just my opinion..
      but two reasons..
      #1.. He really isn’t that much offense, either scoring or assists.
      #2…RBMC graded him somewhere about 57th on defense amongst 60 SGs in the NBA.

      My question is.. How do you see him as a starter?
      Maybe you know something I don’t..

      • Josh Chin

        Hey thanks for replying respectfully.
        I just see Foye as a solid shooter who can stretch the floor. I guess I didn’t realize his defence was that bad. Watching him, I felt like he played decent D. I’m definitely all in for getting a better 2 though. It’s the only position that we have a legit opportunity to get better

        • Poz303

          Foye shows flashes of athleticism which make you go “wow, didnt know he could do that”, like blocking a layup on a fast break. But he is not a lock down defender and not quick enough to stay infront of the better SGs in the NBA. A little undersized as well adding to the problem with his lack of quickness.
          He certainly stretches the floor and would bring in a solid scorer off the bench. Not the worst thing in the world as a starting option but I think a longer, better defender might suit the Nuggets starting five better.

          • Josh Chin

            You read my mind. I guess I mistook his blocks as an indicator of his on ball defense and athleticism. Through the draft I don’t see us getting a long defender at the 2 though. If only Stauskas and Harris were one player right?

            • Poz303

              Yeah, if I could mold a few players into one (JJ and Darth) we’d have a killer team :)
              And I agree, no one available at 11 is a walk-in starter. Hence the idea of picking up someone like Sefolosha in FA (I also like Ariza) would be a solid piece and would not need to play “starter” minutes at SG. Plus Gallo will be the scoring option that was missing and that Foye had to compensate for this past season. With Gallo back, a solid defender at the 2 doesnt need to be a prolific scorer.

              • mike gomez

                i would like to have ariza but the only way to get him will be in sign and trade with the wizards, because we cant afford him just like that

              • Poz303

                We do have the Iggy TPE worth $9.8 Million to play with.

              • Josh Chin

                What about trading JJ Hickson and our #11 for Afflalo? Would that be enough for Orlando?http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=motlzhf

  • Heisenberg

    The truth about the Nuggets is that this team is headed for a full scale rebuild. The talent just isn’t there and the 2014 draft (had they gotten a top 3 pick) was their last opportunity. They’re capped out as well. I’m sure people will point to the 57 win team, but they had a very solid player in Iggy. They also didn’t have a Gallo that hasn’t played an NBA minute in a year and a half.

    Without a top 15 player, they’re toast. This roster has zero chance at beating OKC, SA, LAC, Portland (Aldridge would average 35 with Faried guarding him), Warriors, or Houston in a 7 game series.

    • sharkbait

      I agree. I feel like beating my head against the wall reading some of these commentators and posters who want to just make the playoffs with no upside. The year we won 57 games we were 1 game away from getting swept in the 1st round while having home court advantage. Has that ever happened before? I thought that one of the reasons for firing Karl was that after 9 years we wanted someone who could get us out of the 1st round. In the 8 years that we didn’t get out of the 1st round we won a grand total of 1 road playoff game, if my memory is correct. I’d rather take a couple of steps back and draft a couple of players we can truly build around than struggle year after year just making the playoffs or being at the end of the lottery.
      From what I’m reading I fear that this is going to be 1996 all over again when Bernie Bickerstaff traded Jalen Rose and the #10 pick for Mark Jackson and a couple of corpses all to “Win now”. Win what? The last time I checked you don’t win a prize for finishing 8th. That year we could have drafted Kobe Bryant, Steve Nash, Predrag Stojakovic or Jermaine O’Neal but we threw it away. Let’s hope history doesn’t repeat itself.

    • mike gomez

      so your trying to say iggy was the reason we won 57 games? well to point out last year when we were healthy, we were doing pretty find without a top 15 player. i think we have couple assets to offer if a star become available, so either way like future for us. plus newyork could still give us a top pick in the 2016 draft class, so we should be good

      • gimpcom187

        Nah he was saying Iggy gallo healthy and karl are the reasons. this team will max out as a 7th 8th seed for next few years (assuming 50 wins stays the cutoff in the west) without a significant upgrade in talent.

        Theres not great harm (other than probably delaying the inevitable) in playing out one more season. As long as they dont acquire any players that arent all stars that have contracts beyond 2016 offseason. And dont sign faried for anything beyond 7 mil per year.

        • mike gomez

          he never mention karl, but i would say it was combination of couple of players of why we were so successful. your underrating this this squad. i expect us to be somewhere in 5th to 7th place in the west if we are healthy.

          • gimpcom187

            Heisenberg has expressed in the past the value karl brought to the team. We’ll see. I said 7th-10th going into this season. Same for this season assuming no huge changes in roster.

            • mike gomez

              karl has some part it, but wasn’t main reason, in my opinion. i like our chances next year with healthy team.

              • gimpcom187

                So we agree karl was one of the 3 most significant reasons if not the “main”

              • mike gomez

                not significant, because he never did that much coaching, because all they did was run gun, which work in the regular in the regular season but playoffs we kept getting exposed because kept on getting out coached

              • gimpcom187

                Agree to disagree. Looking forward to your explanations next january

              • mike gomez

                agree ill be happily to do it, how about you my friend

              • gimpcom187

                I’ve already played this game this past season. I was about the lowest guess in October at 38-45 wins and getting crushed by lots of people. Turned out I was overly optimistic.

              • LBJ

                My preseason prediction was 35 wins.

              • Poz303

                I do have to disagree that Karl did not do much coaching because the impression is all they did was run and gun. But actually they played a motion offense and looked for highest percentage shots (at the basket or corner threes).

                Karl was also one of the first to use the two PG line-up. More and more coaches are now doing this.

              • mike gomez

                and what did that coaching get us, become when it came down to the playoffs and they stop us from running. he could draw up play to save his life. couldn’t make adjustments just when on and played his favorites. karl over used and abused two pg lineup.

                .

          • Heisenberg

            5th seems extremely optimistic. There’s little chance this team finishes ahead of SA, OKC, LAC, Houston, Portland, or GS. Dallas will still be tough, and Memphis (assuming Randolph stays) will be near 50 wins.

            At best they’re a 7th seed and out in the first round. Just too many good teams. This isn’t even mentioning Phoenix and New Orleans.

            • mike gomez

              not really, i think we are better than a Dallas,Portland, and Memphis. if gallo return to form then i could say our ceiling is higher

              • gimpcom187

                Ok. Well then I’m looking forward to your analysis of this team in January 2015

              • mike gomez

                ok then, ill be waiting for your as well

              • Heisenberg

                Portland is better. Lillard is quickly becoming a top PG and Aldridge is arguably the best PF in the league. Memphis (if Randolph leaves) and Dallas are debatable.

                And if we’re assuming Gallo returns to form then we HAVE to assume Kobe returns to form, and the Lakers will have him along with whatever they get in free agency, along with their pick.

            • LBJ

              Fifth is absurd. We will be lucky to move up even one place.

      • heykyleinsf

        If we never had Iggy cross our path..
        we would still have AAA and the 11th and 12th overall picks.
        Iguodala was a horrible thing to happen to us.
        Getting him left us in really bad shape
        IDK why people don’t want to realize this.
        it’s a fact.

        • mike gomez

          i wouldn’t say horrible, but i still would of liked him back but not with that offer. it would for hurt us in later on if we sign him for that much.

          • heykyleinsf

            well he still cost us. We lost Afflalo and a 12th draft pick overall. I’m glad we didn’t bring him back too though.

            The reason I say this.. is a lot of people are keen to bring a veteran in. I’m looking at that as a failed experiment. Everyone wants to blame Shaw.. but that’s part of the equation for last season and where we are right now.

            It’s a “be careful what you wish for” dilemma.
            Nobody knows what could have been or what might be yet..
            but I really think he was a mistake. Overrated player too.

            • mike gomez

              well at time it seem like good deal because arron was not playing like he once did, and iggy was coming off a great season. some time you got to gamble and see if it pays and we did. it work for us but he brought something we didn’t have which was elite wing. it was fail experiment because he left and arron improved that way it looks so bad. i wouldn’t say overrated just overpaided

        • Heisenberg

          It’s easy to get stats on a bad team. Had Iggy stayed with Denver, the trade probably would have been worth it. Ah well.

        • gimpcom187

          Just so we are clear I am disputing your facts (you get sensitive). Iggy was gone from Nuggets during the moratorium. That is the first day he had an opportunity to leave. So your contention iggy held this team hostage is false. It’s the opposite of fact. I’ve linked this for you in the past.

          Also this ignores the fact that leaving was the right move for iggy in terms of playoff aspirations.

          • Poz303

            Wait, are we talking facts or opinions when you say “Also this ignores the fact that leaving was the right move for iggy in terms of playoff aspirations”

            Sorry, it was too tempting :)

            The fact was Denver FO fully expected Iggy to re-sign with the Nuggets. Josh mentioned it in interviews at the end of the season. Hence the belief is that Iggy was saying all the “right” things to management when all along was planing to join GSW. This likely led management to NOT explore and pursue all the FA options available to them.

            One can argue that it’s a business and Iggy was looking out for #1, but I think he must have had a pretty strong indication that GSW were going to offer him a contract.

            • gimpcom187

              Given the warriors made the 6th seed and the nuggets ended up 13 games out of 8th place. I would consider these facts. (In addition I didn’t claim that as fact or opinion only responded to kyles “fact” finding mission).

              • Poz303

                But the 57 wins for the Nuggets were with Iggy and they finished 3rd seed while the Warriors finished as 6th seed. Gallo’s injury played into the way that series went. This year the Nuggets had a few reasons beyond basketball for their record. I dont know if both rosters were healthy who would have the better record and be the better playoffs team. The 2012 Nuggets or the 2013 Warriors.

              • gimpcom187

                If they still had their coach and gallo weren’t injured you could make the contention the 2 rosters independent of iggy were similar. But of course the fact is the 57 win team didn’t exist anymore. The facts bear that out.

                I agree with your premise that this team with Karl should have been given another year if iggy stayed. Once the FO chose not the choice was easy for iggy.

          • heykyleinsf

            Want to break this down for me?
            Help me.. bear with me..
            I may be too sensitive to understand…
            Last day of the season.. May 2nd.
            Day he signed with Warriors.. July 10th
            Let me count on my fingers..
            that’s 69 days.
            This time last year.. on this day..
            we were already waiting 28 days.
            We would wait all through June
            and in the first 10 days of July..

            Nuggets had the offer on the table.. the whole time.

            He took less money to join the team that just broke our hearts..

            So.. you were saying?

            • LBJ

              Iggy didn’t officially opt out until June 28 – so I’m not sure what “offer was on the table.”

              The 5th year of the nuggets offer was not fully guaranteed. Non guaranteed money is pretty worthless in the NBA – and it certainly doesn’t count as money turned down. Had we wanted him, Joshy should have offered a fully guaranteed 5th year.

              Clearly, there was no plan b. Monta Ellis signed almost 2 weeks after Iggy – and we could have pursued him with our TPE from the Iggy deal.

              • heykyleinsf

                Oh thank you!!
                Now I realize what a hero he was for us!

                Please.

              • LBJ

                You are welcome.

      • Heisenberg

        I value defense a lot more than most. It’s why I don’t have Lawson as a top 10 PG. Iggy’s elite defense brought quite a bit to the table. Not to mention, they had a healthy Gallo. And an above average coach.

        The only stars on the market are Rondo and Love. And I doubt Minnesota would trade Love to Denver since they already have Rubio at PG.

        • mike gomez

          we don’t have to give up lawson to get love, we dont have to give up the whole to get him, like the knicks to melo. the rockets didnt give to much to get harden. who are your top ten point guards then??

          • gimpcom187

            Love isn’t going to the Nugs with or without Lawson in deal. Why in the world would love agree to take on more time for a team that won 36 games? He wants to go to a team with at least one other all star not zero.

            • mike gomez

              did you forget why they won 36 games?? did you forget most of the roster was out?? i heard love just want go somewhere we contention in the playoffs. well Lawson is star in m opinion, becoming one play-makers in this league and he also a threat on the offensive end something love never had.

              • gimpcom187

                You heard wrong then. He wants to go to gsw who has a top 5 offensive player and two top 10 defensive players. Chicago has 2all stars (though rosé is a ?). Wizards would make sense. I’ve seen articles suggesting the top 20 most likely spots for love and the Nugs aren’t in them.

              • mike gomez

                well nobody is wrong because their are reports everywhere about different things. only love knows what he wants. also i didnt say wanted to go to Denver i just we have the pieces to trade for star if one becomes available. i dont see him going to warriors because they dont want to give up nothing. the bulls could be the most likely place, but i think they are more interested in melo. wizard i doubt because they have no assest besides wall and beal and i doubt they will give either.

              • gimpcom187

                Wizards have better assets than Nugs if Lawson isn’t part of deal. Who says gsw won’t give up anything. I think you drastically overrate the talent on this team and underrate value of other teams assets. In addition the only high level talents you can trade for are rookie contract guys because of restricted free agency. Greg Monroe (not really a star but whatever) is the upper end talent upgrade for this team.

              • mike gomez

                what asset do the wizards have besides wall and beal, who they wont trade?? well warriors wont give none of their core. well i thnk your undervaluing this team and overrating the talent on other team.

          • Heisenberg

            They’d have to give up Lawson, plus Faried. And that may not be enough.

            Oh, and top 10 PG’s? CP3, Curry, Westbrook, Rondo, Parker, Rose (depending on how he returns), Wall, Holiday, Bledsoe, and Lowry. Not even mentioning Lillard, Conley, and Rubio.

            • mike gomez

              i doubt we have to give up that much. wall has not done much, rubio i got laugh out of that one,holiday well holiday only had one good season same as lowry.

              • LBJ

                Don’t forget Kyrie. He is better than Lawson.

              • mike gomez

                he cant even get his team to the playoffs and he make no around him better

              • LBJ

                And every GM in the NBA would trade Lawson for him. Even Timmy.

              • mike gomez

                i doubt it, irving hasn’t prove anything yet, while Lawson has

              • LBJ

                Sorry, you are wrong again. What exactly has Lawson proven?

              • mike gomez

                he has gotten his team to the playoffs and deliver in the playoffs. while iving has got nowhere but the lottery. playing a weaker conference and still cant do it.

              • LBJ

                Lawson had a far better coach and teammates. Irving has played 3 years, after joining the worst team in the league – with a bad front office and coaches. Kind of what Ty had last season.

              • mike gomez

                no ty has do deal with injured team and had his team at 500 before he when down. lrving has good squad he just doesnt know how to use it. he has better team than lebron ever had in Cleveland and still suck.

              • LBJ

                Put Ty on Cleveland and they don’t win 30 games.

                Even Joshy and Timmy make that trade.

              • mike gomez

                they would be in the playoffs, unlike Irving, Lawson gets his teammates involved. lawson average 8.8 assists without legit scoring threat. when irving when down cleveland started winning games and playing at a team, that should say something.

  • Sam Franke

    As for the draft, I’m not that high on any of the prospects at 11. Stauskas and Young don’t project as good defenders in the league and shooting isn’t needed at the 2 with Foye/Evan. Lavine is a boom/bust player. Gary Harris should be good but his limited athleticism and being undersized kinda reminds me of Foye. Sacric might be better than all of them but you’d have to wait a few years. Guys I like (KJ McDaniels, Elfrid Payton, even Jerami Grant as a project) shouldn’t go till later in the 1st round. Wouldn’t be opposed to using the 11th in a trade and I’m hoping there’s some buzz around it if the FO is serious about improving as there wouldn’t be much cap flexibility for free agency if the team re-signs Kenneth.

  • Dan Sivertson

    Start with a great new coach and work from there. Shaw won’t get the job one.

    • heykyleinsf

      curious. Who do you suggest?

  • heykyleinsf

    I honestly feel sorry for what ever team has to put up with Kevin Love.
    They’re going to over pay for a ridiculously over rated PF
    He rebounds and he hits threes but that’s it.

    And you have to wonder about his locker room influence..
    You have to wonder what the urgency is to get out of Minnesota.
    he’s got Iggy syndrome written all over him.

    I like Faried better. Faried is on the rise.. and Love has nothing on
    Faried when it comes to defense.
    Love would be a mistake the same as Iggy was.
    I can only hope he goes to the Warriors too.

    If we bring in anyone.. let’s get a team player.
    Love is not.

    • Heisenberg

      “I like Faried better. Faried is on the rise.. and Love has nothing on
      Faried when it comes to defense.”

      LOL What? Love isn’t a great defender but he’s better than Faried. Love also has a much better chance to become at least an average defender whereas Faried has little chance due to his size.

      • heykyleinsf

        The baggage that Love is bringing with him..
        the low cost and high reward Faried brings us..

        The dumbest move we could make..
        is bringing Kevin Love in.

        It won’t happen. Thank God.
        I really am hoping he goes cancer on the Dubs.

        • gimpcom187

          Wow. I will give you. You are strong headed and consistent. No worries love isnt coming to denver. No need to preemptivelyconvince yourself you never wanted him. It would be hilarious if you were mockingly making these statements. Unfortunately…..

          • heykyleinsf

            mmm hmm. mmm hmmm..
            no question about it.. he’s a good basketball player.
            No question about it.. he’s over rated
            and will get an over rated salary to show for it.

            You go on ahead .. and keep wanting to blow up the team every year.. especially for selfish and malcontent players..

            I’ll keep being a fan of what we got and hope we build on it.

            Wow. Thanks for your sincere compliment.

          • LBJ

            Don’t you love how the Joshy and Timmy apologists don’t want the nuggets to get Love, Iggy or Irving? Apparently, they prefer the 4 journeymen we landed last offseason – that helped us win 36 games.

            • heykyleinsf

              I never once said I’m against trades or free agents.

              Certain players are cancer.
              Iggy. Love. Andre Miller. Kenyon Martin.
              In the vein of Shawn Kemp, Christian Laettner,
              Latrell Sprewell, Alan Iverson, .. etc.

              I’m against guys like that.

              Look at the Broncos and Elway’s priority..
              “clean up the locker room”
              It was instrumental in getting the culture back to positive.

              Love would make it filthy again.
              It’s an extremely stupid idea.

              • LBJ

                Love wants to win. Calling out a couple dickheads that pout on the end of the bench during timeouts is leadership, not being a cancer. Had the nuggets best players led like this, maybe Shaw wouldn’t have been complaining all year about the team’s lack of professionalism and not being ready to play.

                Elway is all about bringing in more talent, not good citizens or locker room guys. Champ Bailey – gone. Von Miller – still here. TJ Ward – already arrested.

              • heykyleinsf

                so you hate the Broncos too…

                Gee .. why doesn’t that surprise me?

  • danteslion

    sup