Rumor: Nuggets talking swap with Bulls

According to ESPN.com’s Chad Ford, the Denver Nuggets and Chicago Bulls have engaged in trade talks centered around each team’s respective first-round draft picks. Per Ford:

Sources say the Nuggets have had serious discussions with the Bulls about swapping No. 11 for Nos. 16 and 19. If the Bulls get this pick, they’ll grab either Harris or Stauskas here. If the Nuggets keep their pick, look for them to focus on their back court. Ty Lawson is the only real foundation piece they have. Nik Stauskas and a host of other wings are all possibilities here but the word is that Harris was a wow for them in workouts. Now that he’s fully healthy and explosive again (Harris measured a 40-inch max vertical in his Lakers workout) he’s another guy who could start rising.

It’s interesting to hear the Nuggets engaged in talks to receive more players than their jettisoning, as Denver already has a near full roster. But perhaps this is only an initial move to set up a larger one down the road? Could it be Denver has plans to make a fairly big splash in free agency? Please leave your thoughts and musings on this potential trade and its resulting repercussions below.

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  • Scott

    Would feel better about taking LaVine here and would also have another pick… Seems interesting. But also don’t want to give up our highest pick in 10 years unless we move up.

    • Bryan

      As long as they get a good player or good players, it doesn’t matter to me where they pick.

  • heykyleinsf

    stay put and take the BPA at 11.

  • David Acker

    Harris looks the goods. If he is there at 11take him. If not trade the pick to Chi

    • Heisenberg

      At best Harris turns into Tony Allen. While I really like defense, it’s much easier to get a player like that than it is to get a potential star….Elfrid Payton, Zach LaVine, and James Young all have higher ceilings and are better picks.

      Trading down might not be a bad idea though. Payton should still be on the board by the time Chicago picks and they could pick up one of the Euro guys. They could even get Young if he falls a few spots.

      • sharkbait

        This trade doesn’t make a lot of sense to me because of our already overcrowded roster unless we are going to possibly trade a couple of veterans to the Lakers or Kings to move up and take their pick.
        If that’s the case I’d go after Marcus Smart at #7 or #8 and then go Payton, Payne or Hairston with #16 and #19. A backcourt of Smart and Payton might be the best defensive combo in the West in a couple of years.

        • heykyleinsf

          maybe they want Robinson back?
          IDK.. I don’t like this idea either

        • Heisenberg

          Payton and Smart would be great. Too bad Josh and Timmy aren’t smart enough to make that happen.

          • mike gomez

            why would we get two point guard ??

            • Heisenberg

              Smart would play SG.

              • mike gomez

                i think that would be horrible idea, sure the defense will be good but the offense will struggle because none could shoot the ball consistent.

  • Native Nugget

    Worries me. As it stands the 11th pick would likely make the Nuggs only marginally better IF he even cracks the starting line this year. Trading down just feels like an admission we aren’t really trying to win a championship (not interested in even marginal improvement). Unless there is a larger trade scenario in the making or a genius level pick the front office is seeing that the rest of the NBA is not – trading down is just a move toward permanent mediocrity.

    • Furious_Stylez

      I agree 100%. If Connolly already has a deal to trade the 2 picks for an above average player, make the trade with the Bulls. If he has to scramble to find a trade for the 2 picks, pass on the deal and keep 11.

    • Chris Sanchez

      You contradict yourself in your own post. If the 11th pick is only going to make them marginally better than how does trading it make it seem like they are not trying to win. If the type of player they are going to get is not going to improve them significantly then why not trade it? Trading down does the same thing as staying put. So make up you mind. How many teams say they marginally improved and are playing for a championship? The answer is none. Trading down and adding more prospects is better than getting 1 player who has no impact whatsoever.

      • sharkbait

        The point is that you don’t really know what you have when you draft somebody. Did the Spurs know they had all-stars when they drafted Parker & Ginobili? Did they know what they had in K. Leonard? How do you know a player won’t turn into an all-star? What we do know is that we have no all-stars on this current roster and nobody is going to trade us a veteran who is one. It’s been proven time and time again that a team won’t get out of the 1st round in the West without at least one all-star.
        The more I think about this pick swap with Chicago the more I like it. I’d like to see them draft Stauskas at #11 but from what I’m reading he probably won’t be available. Why not trade down and draft guys like Payton, Payne and/or Hairston who might be just as good or maybe even better than what has been projected at #11? This is a deep draft so the odds of getting a future all-star with those picks greatly increases. There are enough teams who want veteran players to be able to trade away some players to make room.

  • Ricardo

    If the nuggets get Chicago’s 16th and 19th pick, they should look to draft Tyler Ennis with the 16th, and a European player, like Dario Saric or Clint Capela with the 19th, but I would prefer for them to stay with the 11th pick and draft Harris.

    • Chris Sanchez

      Saric is probably going to be gone before the 11th pick.

  • Ckwizard

    I think taking the best player available is a poor strategy if this team wants to improve unless you take the player that best suits the Nuggets “needs.” IMO the nuggets “need” an upgrade on defense at the “guard” positions and another player that can handle the ball while creating for others. That player for me is Elfrid Payton, he can run the point while guarding the 1 or 2 and let Ty, Nate, and Foye play off of the ball on offense.

    A shooter isn’t going to insure against Ty getting hurt and if Ty isn’t running the Show then the Shooters on this team are going to struggle again next year no matter how good they are.

  • matymaddog

    If we get 16 and 19 I would love to go a few different directions. One of which includes grabbing LaVine at 16 as SG/PG and the other of which involves grabbing Elfrid Payton PG. Two very high upside players. LaVine obviously could play PG in a pinch but I’d like to see what he could do at the 2. I could also see us trying to grab Ennis and Kyle Anderson with those picks

    • Heisenberg

      They’re talking about LaVine going top 10. Very hard to see him going 16th. I do think Young could fall to 16 though.

      • matymaddog

        I’ve only heard very few people mocking LaVine top 10 but I can definitely see it happening.

  • Dennis

    I think the Nuggets are looking at Gary Harris, Stauskas, LaVine, and James Young with the 11th pick. If LaVine or Young fall to the 16th pick, and possibly get Rodney Hood or Elfrid Payton or Tyler Ennis with the 19th pick, it may be a good trade to do. But they should hold on to the pick in case someone like Aaron Gordon falls and is available with the 11th pick.

  • heykyleinsf

    One ironic twist to this.. Bulls may be trying to clear room for Melo.
    The Bulls want him. And they’re getting ready for the pitch.
    They’re thinking Rose, Noah and Melo is the answer to Miami’s big three.
    The only way they’re trading with us is by unloading veterans.
    Like mediocre Butler or HInrich while they scoop up Stauskas, Young or Harris.

    Does that sound good to you? For freaking Zach LaVine?
    OMG NO.

    Connelly is on record saying he’s in a hurry to get back in the playoffs..
    and that he wants a veteran player(s) to get us there.
    I think we need to steer clear.. just for the sake of karma..
    no way do we get away with benefitting from Melo in trades twice.
    I think this has bad juju all over it.

    DO NOT DO THIS NUGGETS.

    • Heisenberg

      Butler is not mediocre. He can actually play defense. He hasn’t been in the league long and can develop into a solid SG.

      • heykyleinsf

        yeah.. ok. sure. great.

        ANOTHER ROLE PLAYER.

        Fabulous idea.

        • Heisenberg

          Would you rather have Randy Foye?

          • heykyleinsf

            No.. I would rather have Butler..
            IDK.. i just get the bad feeling this is a set up
            We’ll see.

            • mike gomez

              its just picks they aren’t adding players, with that pcik it allows the bulls to trade mike d to another team.

              • heykyleinsf

                IDK..
                I’ve read Connelly wants a veteran over a rookie.
                I don’t trust this.

              • mike gomez

                plus the bulls wouldn’t give us that much for the 11m abd u would call butler a veteran, i thing if this deal goes down, we could be looking at a big splash this summer.

              • heykyleinsf

                I guess it’s full of all kinds of possibilities right now
                and we can only begin to wonder.
                I’m sure it could end up good for us.
                The next few weeks past the finals will definitely be interesting.

        • Cullen

          Butler is certainly not mediocre. He plays great D and has a ton of potential. I could easily see him being a Kawihi Leonard type player. I would rather take Jimmy Butler, a proven hard nose defensive player budding with talent and hustle over a draft pick.

          • heykyleinsf

            yeah I know. I was wrong about that.
            I think he would be a dream win for us.
            Just not thinking it’s going to happen though

            • Cullen

              Yeah, the only way that deal would happen is if they KNEW they were going to get Melo, and we would probably have to trade another player off paired with the pick to get Butler.

    • Nik Ulfarts

      Read these words very carefully. Melo is never coming back. Ever. He forced his way off this club for a reason. The Nugs would be foolish to even think for a second he is coming back. We need to build for the future and not linger in the past.

      • heykyleinsf

        I think you misunderstood..
        I was talking about the Bulls wanting him not us.

        • Nik Ulfarts

          I absolutely did, my apologizes! I will say Butler is exactly what we need though. I realize teams with stars when championships, but I wouldn’t mind seeings the Nugs build themselves like the 2004 Pistons, which might be their best bet anyway. Solid role players and a ton of heart has won championships as well

          • heykyleinsf

            I would love it if we got Butler..
            seems a stretch but I agree..
            it would be epic.

  • wij

    This better be some BS. They need to offload a veteran or 2 and move up in the draft – not keep the roster and move down for multiple picks…

  • Poz303

    If they are looking to trade back I would be talking to the Suns. They have three 1st round picks. I dont think they want to keep all three (all 1st rounders are guaranteed).
    I would do 11th + ARand and Chandler (for salary relief) for the Suns 14th and 18th picks. I dont like giving Chandler away but it would drop us below the salary cap. Throwing in Randall would give us the two spots to sign the new draftees. Suns get a very good deal and still have two first round draft picks (11th and 27th). Plus they get an upgrade at SF.
    With 14th Nuggets take Stauskas, LaVine (high ceiling) or Young (high ceiling) and with 18th they can take another high ceiling player like Ennis, Capela, Payton (whoever is there).
    My preference would be to look to move up in the draft but if we are to move back, deal with the Suns not the Bulls.

  • renaissance247

    They are prefect at the guards, what they need is big men to replace McGee and Gallanari when they get injured, because you know it’s going to happen.

  • rrocklin

    let’s look to the past moves by the nuggets. In the end they trade nene, afflalo, the number 12 pick for …. wait for it…. an injured center who is a head case.

    • heykyleinsf

      Two different deals..
      Nene for Javale had nothing to do with AAA and pick 12.
      Thank one season wonder Iggy “airball at the FT line” Igwatraitor
      for the loss of AAA and pick 12.

  • Nik Ulfarts

    No. Please no. We have plenty of depth, what we need is a player with the upside to be a star. LaVine is the only player within our range with that type of upside. I’m not saying he will be, but PLEASE Nugs, lets swing for the fence and snag the guy anyway. No rookie in this draft is going to push us to win a title anyway, so lets either move up or grab LaVine so we have someone with real potential on this roster.

  • chris

    If they made this trade would Denver retain the 12 pick then be able to give Orlando the 19 pick instead??