Summer League recap: Denver Nuggets 76 Chicago Bulls 103

The Nuggets found themselves on the other end of a beatdown in their second summer league game, losing by a score of 103-76 to the Chicago Bulls. Former Nugget (for about 10 minutes) Doug McDermott torched Denver for 31 points on 12 shots. Quincy Miller had another big scoring night for the Nuggets, finishing up with 24 points in the loss.

In lieu of the traditional recap or a super-serious analytic take on summer league, here’s a look at the three summer Nuggets we’ll be following closely all tournament, plus a few observations on the rest of the squad.

Quincy Miller

Quincy is a talented player, blessed with a versatile skill set inside an athletic 6-10 frame. He scores inside and out, attacking in spots which often get him a favorable one-on-one matchup or a wide open scoring opportunity. A lot of times that can elevate a player’s confidence while masking their real weaknesses in a summer league setting.

Quincy’s effort getting through picks, along with his overall awareness and energy on defense borders on Andre Miller. He will make a great play on one end and half-heartedly jog back on defense, head turned the other direction while his man strolls to the rim for a dunk. You expect it out of a worn-down veteran or a green rookie recruit, but Quincy is neither. At this point, seeing that out of him is disappointing.

I hate to be ragging on Quincy and his 24 points this much, but it’s hard to feel good about what I saw when I look at this game in a vacuum. Quincy got tired towards the end, but there were a few times he ran into the initial screen and just stopped playing. He’s also having a really hard time rebounding the ball after going for every steal and ending up somewhere around half-court by the time a shot goes up.

Summer league.

Gary Harris

Harris struggled quite a bit today, there’s no getting around it. He showed an ability to get his shot off in multiple ways during a brilliant performance against Toronto, and was reduced solely to off-the-dribble jumpers against Chicago. It was a rough night. When he did move without the ball to find a wide open shot, they weren’t going in. Denver’s ball movement was so bad in the second half he had to create purely for himself, and was only able to find success when he got to the rim and was fouled.

Outside shooting will come and go during summer league, and it is not uncommon for young players to get unsettled and start pressing after a big game. This happened a lot with Evan Fournier and Quincy Miller in previous summers, and it was not a surprise to see out of Harris, especially during a game in which the Nuggets played from behind the whole way.

Erick Green

Green has been the Nuggets’ steadiest player through the first two games, rarely getting out of control whether he’s facing a big lead or a deficit. What is pretty shocking to me is the fact he is spending about half his time off the ball while others handle the point guard duty. He has been pretty good finding his own shot but I had imagined the Nuggets wanting to see how well he could direct an offense. When Green has brought the ball up and played point he’s done a decent job getting the Nuggets into a set.

As a scorer, Green looks fluid and much more polished than he was a season ago. Those off balance, one-handed floaters in the lane have turned into a more confident two-dribble pull-up. I still have a lot of concerns about Green’s ability to get in the lane and finish against NBA competition. He missed a couple of layups today which were the only blemishes on an otherwise solid performance.

We’ll see how well Green does as he transitions to this half-and-half combo guard role. My guess is the Nuggets will be leaning on his point guard abilities a bit more as Denver was absolutely horrible getting into their offense against Chicago.

Other notes

The Nuggets are playing pretty small and guys like Carlon Brown are feeling the brunt of having to go up against bigger, stronger competition. Brown is a strong, speedy scorer but he has had trouble trying to bully his way to points against bigger guys.

Tim Ohlbrecht saw his first few minutes of action against Chicago, and the big German is a true center who should give the Nuggets some more flexibility with their lineups throughout the rest of summer league.

Will Thomas and David Lighty also saw their first action of the summer, but neither did much to impress in the blowout loss to Chicago. Expect Nuggets coaches to continue to shuffle the lineups as summer league continues.

  • Andrew

    So, is Carlon Brown playing against SFs/PFs because of the small lineups? That’s tough. I was rooting for the kid, because I always liked him at CU. He could really bully other guards because he is a big guard, but that advantage is obviously lost in a small lineup. Oh well. Back to the Euro league. How does his defense look?

  • heykyleinsf

    Its not necessarily bad news at this point. They need to take a few lumps. Let’s see how they respond to it

  • Nugman

    Good thing we have Shaw to coach them

    • mike gomez

      thats very good thing because he actually develops players

      • Nugman

        Yep, he’s the best. Better than Pop

        • Dubs

          How are we going to get Popovich?

          • Nugman

            Just trade Shaw for Pop straight up. I’m sure the Spurs would jump at the offer

        • LBJ

          Combine Shaw’s coaching with Timmy’s player acquisition skills, I see no reason why we shouldn’t win at least 65 games next year!

          • Ryan Scott

            Yeah I mean Shaw and Timmy are acquiring awesome players – they might even be able to trade half our team so we can rent Love for a year! Championship material coming from the front office! I know our players are gonna develop really well too under Shaw – I mean our two rookies will develop way faster than other rookies in the league. With Harris sitting behind AAA and Foye, and Nurkic behind Mcgee and Mozgov, they might get 5 min per game each this year! Best strategy to develop players is sitting them apparently! Who knew? They might as well start planning the Championship parade now with this awesome front office!

    • Cullen

      I say we fire Shaw and hire Nugman and LBJ to co-head coach! Then we would really compete. The next CBA should require an automatic firing clause if the coach doesn’t win a championship after 1 season!

      • Nugman

        This is relevant?

        • Ryan Scott

          Nope, it’s not, in fact it is completely hypocritical, and is one of the screen shots I sent to my espn contacts about the side choosing moderator on this site. I sent many other examples too.

    • Cullen

      Also, you’re literally not contributing anything to the forum. Just whinning about Shaw on every post. What does Shaw have to do with this post? They had a rough game in the summer league…and somehow that speaks to his coaching…?

      • Nugman

        Shaw will develop this guys so they don’t have these types of games

    • MTIG

      Why are you hating on Shaw? He inherited a very dysfunctional team. This team was built for Karl and Ujiri to win a championship. Both failed.

      Karl only knows small ball. It wins “a game” not a series.Check his Seattle teams. They should have been champions. Even Denver knocked them out of a first round. Denver could have muscled teams like Golden State but Karl kept going smaller. Karl has had stars, handpicked players and years at the same location. Results have been poor.

      Ujiri? He receives to much credit. He accomplished little and IMO hurt us ..other than the Anthony trade. Signed Nene to a huge contract.Months latter whoops – Lets give him to Wash for McGee and we know he won’t play in Karls small ball. Overpaid for Harrington.. (seriously Al Harrington) thinking Anthony would stay.
      Dumped one of our class players AA and Harrington’s contract for a rental of Icky (not a large difference in him and AA – whoops AA makes foul shots) plus a lottery pick.
      The Melo / Knicks trade was spectacular. Everything else???

      Rumor was the “Great Phil Jackson” (tongue in cheek) was interested in Shaw. He must have forgotten Karl was available.

      Shaw did a decent job when you look at the injuries, players needing to learn a new system and he stood up to the bullies. A guy like Andre Miller is not a player you need on your team.

      Notice Shaw made Mosgov relevant again. Karl kept him on the bench.

      Give the guy a chance to win before slamming him. How would Karl have done without Gallo, Icky Iggie, Wilson Chandler and Lawson for stretches?

      • Nugman

        Thanks for proving my point. Sounds like you’re hating on Karl and Ujiri, Jackson, Iggy, etc

        • Dubs

          I disagree. At the very worst, he is “hating” on Karl, but backing up his argument with the three main elements: Point, Evidence, and Analysis (PEA).

          Can you clarify how he proved your point? Forgive me, I am kind of unclear about what your original point is. Can you refresh my memory so that I know where you are coming from? Thanks in advance.

          • Nugman

            Thank you, Dubs. My point is that if I make even the slightest negative comment about Shaw, I get slammed pretty hard as MTIG proved. Yet, he can make negative comments about everyone but Shaw and gets only praise or support as you have given him. Other comments on this article prove the same point.

            Now, I’m not crying about it, but it does seem a bit lopsided. If you like Shaw you are in the majority on this website and if you don’t you’re in the minority. And negative Shaw comments get attacked hard even when valid. While those like MTIG seem to paint a picture that all Shaw touches turns to gold. He sounds really high on the guy and gives him a lot of credit, while bashing several others.

            On the surface my comment didn’t hate on Shaw at all, even though I was being sarcastic. But you can see what an aggressive reaction my simple comment created. It could be argued that proved my point.

            Of course, I don’t agree with most of what

            • mike gomez

              “My issue was how he managed the team, managed games, rotated players, made substitutions and managed match ups. My personal feeling is he failed in these categories. And my experience is that coaches who fail in these areas, fail as head coaches” you confuse me, well Karl fail in those category as well according to your believe because he has the same problems.

              • Nugman

                First, I have never been a Karl lover or hater. However, I do think Karl did manage players, substitutions, rotations and special situations pretty well. He really knew how to use his players to their strengths. He got everything could out of Payten in Seattle and Cassell was a star under him in Milwaukee. He may not have “developed” players the way Shaw is suppose to, but he knew how to use them in a game to get the most.

                I will note that is what Pop does in SA and Phil did with his teams. They use their players to their strengths and don’t try to make them do other things. In 15 years Pop has Not tried to make Duncan a 3 point shooter or make him a slasher. Timmy posts and makes his 15-17 footers. And he does not try make Bonner, Parker or Ginobli post up. Bonner shoots 3s and the other two drive, slash and shoot jumpers. Phil did the same with his players. He used them to their strengths. Shaw on the other hand, tries to force his players to do things that don’t fit their game. Moz shoots 3s, DA posts up, etc. history shows it’s not a recipe for success.

                Coaches need to push their players to improve their game, but the successful coaches have the player improve their strengths, not change their game. You may argue this doesn’t develop the player, yet Pop and Phil are great examples that this is the type of coaching that succeeds.

                I will also mention that all these coaches, including Karl, make good rotations and substitutions. Jordan, Kobe, Duncan, Parker, etc. get their regular rest every game whether it’s the first game of the season or the 7th game of the NBA finals. Generally, they come out with around 2 minutes left in the 1st qtr and return around 8 minutes left in 2nd. The same pattern is followed in the 3rd-4th qtr. Score and situation don’t matter. The rotation is consistent. On the other Shaw never had any ratio consistency. Early in the season he played 12 guys 20 minutes each, late in the season when we were out of the playoffs he played Ty 40+ minutes several times. He even played some guys 16-17 straight minutes to start the second half and then they were too tired to finish the game strong. Karl wasn’t a great coach, but he didn’t make these rotation mistakes.

                I personally thought managing games and special situations was Shaws weakest link. The players he had on the court at the end of games were very confusing and often led to the wrong guy taking a shot or making the pass. Is JJ really the best guy to pass the ball or is Moz really the best guy to take a 3? I never saw Pop draw up a 3 point play for Duncan. In fact, Duncan is usually on the bench when the Spurs need a 3 and that’s the same place Moz, JJ and Faried should be in that situation. Karl was not great, but he never mismanaged special situations like Shaw did.

                Despite all this, I am a HUGE Nuggets fan and hope Shaw will improve in these areas so we can be a real contender. I don’t hate Shaw, I am just very concerned about what I saw from him last year.

            • MTIG

              Whoops.. I responded too quickly above.

              You are a hater.

              Aggressive reaction to sarcasm is to be expected. You invoked an (opinion) with no fact. You expect us to say you are correct in your 8 word response? You should be blocked until you can help us to understand your opinions.

              Most want to see our team improve. I don’t expect most to agree with me – or the front office would be calling me with a job offer…ha ha… I like to hear when people can tell me why I am not seeing the big picture. I learn more in those posts.

              You…?.. not so much….

              Nothing has been mean spirited. We are in a discussion or debate. If you don’t have the fact or rebuttal stay out of the discussion.

              A little meat for the rest….
              Managed team.. yes… took on Miller.
              Miller was a pill for Karl but he was afraid to take him on. Miller threatened to leave every chance he had. Hated that Lawson was better.

              Game management and player rotation- struggled early as he had a system and another coaches ideal players…add injuries… plus losing their star player.
              Team improved later in the year. Players that had been discarded like Mosgov,and even Faried started to flourish.

              Your experience that this why coaches fail? And you are..??

              • Nugman

                See my response below to Gomez. It addresses your comments too

            • Cullen

              I don’t think that’s necessarily think you are right. Sure, there have been really aggressive attacks on you because you have criticized Shaw… me being one of them. But I definitely understand where you’re coming from. I don’t think Shaw has been a GREAT coach. Hell, he hasn’t even been average. He really struggled through his first season of coaching. I agree in a lot of ways that he struggled to develop a rotation and make smart match up calls. He was a massive downgrade from Karl last year….. but most of my beef comes from the circumstance of your posts, usually.

              I have gotten tired on every post reading some smug comment about how it’s good Shaw is the head coach. It’s annoying and unproductive to leave the same comment on a lot of posts. If you had a legitimate criticism of Shaw based on the content of the post, I doubt people would make THAT big of a deal about it.

              Additionally, I have been really frustrated with people who have made huge judgements of Shaw as an NBA coach and have even mentioned why isn’t he on the hot seat? I think it’s not conducive to running a championship organization to fire or put coaches on the hot seat after ONE season with massive injuries.

              Lastly, I get frustrated because people who don’t like Shaw usually will not engage very far into discussions I have tried to start about his coaching. For example, how would Karl made better judgement calls last year? How would his coaching change the outcome of games/the season? Usually people never take the time to have that discussion.

              But I agree with Mike Gomez below, Karl had a lot of the same problems. That’s why Karl was a poor post season coach and a great regular season coach. He knew how to draw a bond with the team and form lineups for long term halls, but whenever it came to making changes in the playoffs with very specific matchups and situations he would fail.

              Like I said, I don’t think you can know after one season if he is a failure. Sure, it’s very possible he walks into this season and just botches the regular season again. I think that there are FEW contexts when you shouldn’t give a coach three full seasons and offseasons to get a hold of it. If you fire them sooner we turn into a franchise that scrambles to find a coach every year, never develop continuity, etc.

              So I think people should be able to criticize Shaw, I think the criticism is fair, but it’s the way in which you do it that has frustrated me.

        • MTIG

          Nugman, I may have commented on your comment incorrectly. If you were saying Shaw is good for the young players I agree. Comments below showed you as a Shaw hatter. Not fair after one season.

          I read this as another Shaw slam when he hasn’t had a chance to prove what he can do.

          Hating on the above people…yep…. And I’d add many more if I had time. This franchise was the cream of the crop when they merged with the NBA. Denver Owners and the NBA have made this team irrelevant.. The ABA was so stacked that they were not allowed to have a number one draft pick their first year in the league. Had to be the Denver rule. The Nuggets were the best. For the All-Star game the Nuggets played the remaining teams all-stars.
          We were able to see the first slam dunk contest – Dr J and DT in the finals. As a child I was lucky to have parents with season tickets at the old auditorium arena (Beck and Keyes days) and the McNichols sports arena days.

          I still have an old ABA team poster showing; Dan Issel, Marvin Webster, Bobby Jones, David Thompson, Mack Calvin, Price, Fatty Taylor, Simpson etc….. Coaches of Larry Brown and Donnie Walsh. Wow… What a pedigree.

          How far have we fallen? I believe Kronke wants to bring back what most in Denver never had a chance to see.

          Unfortunately… we did not win that title. Dr. J willed that title. I don’t believe Jordan or LBJ are better than Julius Erving in his day.
          For those that saw him play… we all hated and loved when the Doctor came to town.

          • Nugman

            I started in the early 80’s with Doug Moes teams. Alex, Fat, Natt, Issel, etc. they made to the Western conference Championship twice and played a lot of small ball. Moe coached a lot like Karl. Those were some really good teams and they made some good playoff runs. Unfortunately, a guy named Magic played in LA, a Bird was in Boston and Sampson and Olajuwon were twin towers in Houston at the same time.

            • MTIG

              Yep….saw them play . You forgot one of the trio… Wayne Cooper. You think the Melo trade was good… Look at the Kiki swap.
              You win … small ball wins titles… Ha ha ha. (whoops…. I offended you). So sorry

              • Nugman

                I agree, the Kiki swap was awesome for the Nuggets. That really made a contender when they got Fat, Natt and Cooper.

                And I don’t think small ball wins titles. It never has and never will unless they really make a 4 point shot. You win with inside dominance.

      • LBJ

        The idea that Ujiri did a horrible job is absurd. He drafted Faried. Got C Brew for nothing. Signed Gallo and Ty to reasonable extensions. Put together a team that won 57 games – and when Gallo went down, the season ended. The idea that AA is as good as Iggy is also wrong, which will become obvious when he seeks a new contract.

        • mike gomez

          he didn’t so horrible job but some of his moves were questionable as well

          • LBJ

            No GM is perfect, but the majority of his moves were positive. Which is how we went from losing our franchise player to 57 wins in 1 1/2 years. That is also why he was deservingly voted EoY.

            • mike gomez

              i know nobody prefect but he also had some bad moves like nene contract,McGee contract, Anthony Randolph contract and overpaying birdman.

              • LBJ

                The Nene contract was corrected immediately. In retrospect, with Bosh getting $20 million, Nene’s $11 million isn’t that bad. Regardless, I had no problem dealing him.

                Randolph was signed as a project. He was paid commiserate with his 11-15 slot on the team. The guy had athletic talent, I had no problem taking a flyer on him. It wasn’t a bad contract – just a flyer that didn’t work out. This happens to every team.

              • mike gomez

                the nene contract was corrected but then change when he overpaid for mcgee. my opinion the Randolph project was bad either way you look at it.

              • LBJ

                Ujiri unloaded Bargiani on the Knicks. Traded Gay for several guys in the rotation. He turned around a horrible team in one year.

                We will have to wait and see how his first rounder plays out.

              • mike gomez

                i give him that he is known for robbing the knicks and robbing his former buddy in Denver pete, but so far in the draft to me was questionable. he could of traded out the first round to get him.

              • LBJ

                You have no way of knowing that. Furthermore, the depth of this draft made getting an early second round pick harder than usual.

                Finally, if the guy turns out to be a star – who really cares if he’s drafted 20th or 30th?

              • mike gomez

                well from i seen from him before denver, i saw nothing big worth giving long deal. he could of traded down and still drafted him.

              • LBJ

                Huh??

              • mike gomez

                what i said randolph didn’t show nothing special before Denver to be given long deal he was just raw talent . then with the draft the player he drafted he could traded down to get him.

              • LBJ

                He was drafted 14 overall at 19 years old. If you are developing a guy, you don’t give him a one year deal an let him walk after he develops.

              • mike gomez

                he was lottery pick because of his athletic abilities not for his basketball talent. well he didn’t pan out with his former teams, so i see reason to give that deal. i would at least gave him a two year deal and with second year being non guaranteed or something around those lines.

              • LBJ

                We just disagree on this. You like safe journeymen sitting on the end of the bench. I like to have a couple of athletic guys with big upsides as our non rotation guys.

        • MTIG

          Ohhh.. Drafted a guy. Maybe two…

          Wait…. Karl forced the NC Lawson trade so Uj, gets a bye and Karl gets credit.

          Faried is too small to be a 10 year PF.
          Is that Ujiri claim to fame?

          No, he got lucky wit Melo but we still see little return. Injured Gallo., Injured Chandler and a little Mosgoz
          Felton for Miller .. Yuck!!!

          Denver got little. NYC got a headache and Ujiji got a good rep?

          Brewer was for our amnesty player .Gallo went down… Where is THE stud Iggy stepping up for Gallo in the playoffs?Busy kiissing GS ears best we can tell.

          Harrington, trading for Miller, Nene…

          Umhhhh..?…..Not seeing the genius

          • LBJ

            If you don’t recognize that getting Andre for Felton was a good deal, there is a lot you don’t see. You didn’t see the GSW series if you don’t think Iggy stepped up.

            Even Timmy and Joshy don’t share your opinion of Faried – as they are trying to sign him to a long term deal.

            Here are some numbers to chew on. Post Ujiri – nuggets win 21 fewer games. Raptors – plus 14.

            • Tom Darrow

              While I agree with the vast majority of what you’ve said here (Ujiri made several great moves, and only a couple bad ones)… the “Post Ujiri” numbers aren’t exactly an apples-to-apples comparison. Two of the main Ujiri-era players missed essentially the entire season with injuries, and Ty missed a quarter of the season. When he was healthy the team played .500 ball, even without Gallo or McGee. And Ujiri is the reason the Nuggets didn’t have a starting caliber SG (traded Afflalo, didn’t extend Iggy during the season).

              If you want to compare fairly, compare in a season the Nuggets are reasonably healthy and aren’t left scrambling to fill a hole left by Ujiri’s rent-a-SG.

            • Cullen

              I agree that losing Ujiri sucked, but your simple analysis of wins is really head scratching. The Raptors had a pretty good roster pre-Ujiri. Like having Lowry, Derozan, Terrance Ross, Patterson, etc. Sure, Ujiri definitely made that roster better… but would Ujiri have saved all of our players from getting hurt? No. I’m definitely closer to your side in this argument, I just think being like look at the W collum as a way of evaluating the change is ridiculous.

              • LBJ

                Perhaps I would understand your concerns with my W/L analysis if I hadn’t provided multiple posts providing details of Ujiri’s tenure.

              • Cullen

                No yeah, I understand. I just don’t think in a vacuum you can make the W/L judgement.

              • LBJ

                Also I was responding to a poster who apparently feels Ujiri is at fault for acquiring in

  • heykyleinsf

    Faried made the USA team!!

    • Bryan

      I don’t think he made the USA team but was invited to participate in the practice/training with them (Both he and Ty were invited last year as well). I’d be surprised if he was able to supplant guys like Love and Anthony Davis when the official teams are announced.

      As the roster currently stands there is almost no chance that we keep Brooks. If they keep Quincy there is only one roster spot available. And they’ve reportedly offered Mike Miller a contract and have the rights to Green as well who could end up taking that roster spot.

      • heykyleinsf

        from what I heard the Mike Miller situation is dead.
        Also from what I heard in Europe.. Green was not impressive.
        I don’t agree about “no chance”…
        If you ask me right now..
        Brooks helped us more than Quincy did last year..
        he would be better than Green..
        and I’m pretty sure Mike Miller would not happen without
        moving Chandler and getting in to luxury tax trouble.

        We’ll see.. but don’t agree about no chance with those circumstances you mentioned.

        • Bryan

          Jeff Goodman reported last night that the Nuggets were in the lead. The Nuggets have offered the most money but LeBron is trying to convince him to come to Cleveland for less.

          The Nuggets are clearly showcasing Green, Miller, and Harris in Summer league, so they’re giving him a chance.

          And I don’t think the Nuggets have much need for another smaller pg when they already have Lawson. If they’re going to invest the money on a backup pg this year, I think it’d be wiser to find a bigger bodied pg that can play some D.

          • heykyleinsf

            Wouldn’t that put us in luxury tax hell and what about Chando? We would have to make a deal
            I would rather add Miller but didn’t think we could
            Hope it happens

          • Nugman

            Julian Stone?

        • Nugman

          Or maybe they are worried about Gallo and Mike Miller is security

          • Cullen

            It’s definitely possible, but all of the reports I have seen have said that Gallo looks healed, but maybe he doesn’t.

            Most articles I’ve read have said Miller would be a three specialist and a some veteran leadership in a locker room full of younger guys.

            I don’t disagree with the idea of adding Miller, but I think he’d just add to the glut of players we have, he never seems to stay healthy, and his value and skill have decreased a lot.

            For a contender who needs a three specialist and leader for less… he’s for them. Not for us, me thinks.

            • LBJ

              I have no idea why we need another aging, injury prone guy like iron mike miller. If the rumor that we are offering him 3 years is correct – that is yet another blunder by this FO.

  • Gary

    There is no movement with this offense, Harris and Miller basically shooting everytime they touch it. Brown being used out of position he’s more of a creator off the dribble, I would move him up top and put Harris and Green on the wings to get better looks. Miller needs to develop a post game and put some time in the weight room. Also if they are up by 20 or down by 20 let’s see what the other players have to offer.

  • Ryan Scott

    Lol have fun with your empty site Kalen. You are ridiculous, you say we have to get along, so when I agree with a post, it gets deleted? Lmao! Please do ban me. This site is a joke – I think heat fans are more knowledgeable than you jokers! Stupid and don’t want to be called out for it. You and your 3 posters can have your stupid little dumb as club. In the meantime, I’m gonna lobby espn for a new true hoop blog site. I actually used to write for them in Boston so I have some connects. Have fun while it lasts, punk. Sometimes you just mess with the wrong person. You just did.

    • Richard Sherman

      Wow… That guy is angry.

      • Ryan Scott

        Nah, just sick of people who are full of opinions that can’t take criticism without crying like little girls. If you can’t even defend your points, don’t post an opinion. I’m gonna get us a real true hoop blog where people can disagree and debate without their posts getting deleted or being threatened with bans. Call me old fashioned, but I think grown men should act like grown men, not like 8 year old girls. I’ve moderated many websites as a former sports writer, but have never seen anything as ridiculous as this. If you can’t take criticism, you have no business writing. Period. I’m not joking about getting a new true hoop site either. Already sent a few emails, but be patient, big changes like this take time.

        • Tom Darrow

          I think it’s interesting how you transitioned from “just trying to help” to “threatening to lobby ESPN to drop the site” in just a handful of posts. I don’t think vindictiveness suits you.

    • LBJ

      Sorry Kyle, not me. It is sad to lose such an astute and intelligent poster.

      • Nugman

        Glad you’re not gone LBJ. Was worried for a moment that I was friendless

      • Nugman

        How does Kyle post as a guest? Pretty tricky…

        • Ryan Scott

          If you hit delete on a comment you made, for some reason it just changes it to being a guest comment rather than deleting it.

      • TomRMC

        I’m glad you’re still here. Would love to see this spat between you and kyle toned down, though.

  • Dubs

    Hey Kalen, Joel, and others

    I just want to let you know that I come to this blog because its some of the best Denver Nuggets analysis around. I really appreciate what you guys are doing and I hope you continue to do so as more Nuggets news come available. As someone who knows a little bit about the game, I like to know what’s going on with the Denver Nuggets management and their process into developing a solid team.

    Please continue your effort in the future,

    Dubs

    A Happy Viewer

    • Ryan Scott

      Well at least the GS fans like your blog!

  • Nugman

    I think we just saw how these guys play against NBA caliber players. Snell is legit and McBucket looks it. Agree with Charlie and will add that many of Qs buckets were contested by a low level NBA player. Add 3 inches to the defender and better D and those shots don’t drop. That will happen in regular season.

    Might also note 3 Lobo’s were playing for the bulls

    • Cullen

      Having watched New Mexico in person when they came to the AA the last several years I can say that I’m honestly not surprised how they are all panning out. Super talented kids. Esp. Kendall Williams. He will amount to something in the NBA I’m sure.

    • Cullen

      I think Snell looked legit, I’m still skeptical about McBuckets ability to guard defensively and find better offense against real NBA caliber defenders. I think he could be really special, though. I’m looking forward to being wrong about him if he makes it big.

      But completely agree on Q. He’s been playing well, but the talent level he is playing against is low and his shot selection has been poor. Lots of low IQ basketball, it has seemed.

      I’m the least worried about Harris. He’s a young guy and is just getting his feet wet..

      I wonder if we should just let Quincy walk. I really like him but I don’t think he will be a break through player and our roster is crowded.

      • LBJ

        Q had better tear up the summer league, or we should let him walk. He should have spent more time in college to learn the game.

        • Cullen

          Agreed 100%. A few more years in college would give him more knowledge and maybe let his body fill out a little more.

  • Heisenberg

    So, nothing on Mike Miller signing with the Cavs?

    • LBJ

      Fortunately, we got bailed out. Timmy apparently offered him $12 million over 3 years – but he wanted to compete for titles, so he took $5.5 million over 2 years to go to Cleveland.

      • Nugman

        I still can’t figure why the FO would offer so mouth for him. It seems they love mid-level journeymen or they’re worried about Gallo